Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Steve Jones]

I thought it was the opposite and they were in production but there is such
a huge influx of new requests that it will be forever to get grants because
each has to be looked at by a human

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:49 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
by some group.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:

> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

  
  

  It appears that the urban legend
about urine being sterile has its roots in the 1950s, Hilt
says, when epidemiologist Edward Kass was looking for a way to screen
patients for urinary tract infections before surgery. Kass
developed the midstream urine test (still used when you pee
in a cup) and set a numerical cutoff for the number of bacteria in
normal urine: not more than 100,000 colony-forming units
(cell clusters on a culture dish) per milliliter of urine. A
person tests “negative” for bacteria in their urine as long
as the number of bacteria that grow in a lab dish containing
the urine falls below this threshold. “It appears that the
dogma that urine is sterile was an unintended consequence,”
Hilt says.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you
bp



On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  Nope it's not, common error...
  
  On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as
  long as you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine
  supposed to be sterile?


bp



On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any
work place.  Like an unmanned storage building doesn't need
a bathroom, but if you added a workshop suddenly you did. 
Not sure how to square that with the current situation.  If
you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee
behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if
everybody else did that then maybe that's the same as having
a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark their own pee spot out
back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)
  
  
  
  
  On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
  
  

So got an update
  Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
  IDPH hotline 18008893931 
  option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but
have no symptoms
  Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6
feet for more than a few minutes
  
  
  If there are no symptoms and there was not contact
within 6 feet for more than a few minutes an employer
CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
  
  
  
  
  The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He
works in a office where a lady tested positive, close
proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary test,
he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
more than a few minutes. This place had another positive
last week supposedly. thankfully they are closed for
sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.
  
  
  Given the issue, we are closing all our communal
areas, no coffee pot, not fridge, no restroom use.
Primary installer will operate out of the garage and
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area.
hes set up for remote now and will be on call when hes
not actively on jobs. We would send the work truck home
but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an
increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote.
Other tech will be remote with his van in his garage.
There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked
at night.
  
  
  Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary
workspace to do builds and all that. if im not building
or hanging, ill be home.
  
  
  I will have techs meet me on build sites as required.
We will have as minimal contact as is realistic. If
its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave the
vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain
legs and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
  
  
  Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks
every time some pauper approaches us. Techs were given
clear instruction that if the customer comes outside,
they 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

We used to have an old school ER doc that still tasted urine for sweet to
check for diabetes. I think he did it more to freak us out than as a true
diagnostic

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:17 PM Robert  wrote:

> Nope it's not, common error...
>
> On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as long as
> you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  Like
> an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a
> workshop suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current
> situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee
> behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did
> that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can
> mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So got an update
> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
> IDPH hotline 18008893931
> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
> few minutes
>
> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
> than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
>
>
> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
> people that work there.
>
> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
> fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
> and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
> remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
> the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
> an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
> be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
> garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
> stocked at night.
>
> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
> all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
>
> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
> wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs
> and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
>
> Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
> pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the
> customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if
> customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
> equipment later
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> You can pick your friends.
>> And you can pick your nose.
>> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
>>
>> -Vinny Barbarino
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
>> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
>> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>>
>> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
>> saying).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may
>> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could
>> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching
>> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face
>> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his
>> truck and someone else touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS
>> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad
>> thing..  Gates are a bad thing..
>>
>> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet
>> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why there's a TP shortage

[Robert]

Yeah when that came out, it was like oh, we have no idea what all the 
meshed gears we just threw washers into...


On 4/13/20 4:58 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


This was a fun read.

https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0 







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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Robert]

Nope it's not, common error...

On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as long as 
you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?



bp


On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  
Like an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you 
added a workshop suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with 
the current situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd 
probably go pee behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but 
if everybody else did that then maybe that's the same as having a 
bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark their own pee spot out back. 6 
feet apart from each other of course :)




On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes


If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for 
more than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an 
asymptomatic test



The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a 
office where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an 
asymptomatic precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was 
within 6 feet for more than a few minutes. This place had another 
positive last week supposedly. thankfully they are closed for 
sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.


Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee 
pot, not fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out 
of the garage and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work 
area. hes set up for remote now and will be on call when hes not 
actively on jobs. We would send the work truck home but he doesnt 
have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in vehicular 
burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where 
inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked 
at night.


Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do 
builds and all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.


I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have 
as minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower 
work, they wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping 
stuff up grain legs and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.


Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time 
some pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that 
if the customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work 
truck and if customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, 
we will recover equipment later




On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose.
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Up your nose with a rubber hose.

-Vinny Barbarino

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands
after any potential contact. You could stick your finger up an
infected person's nose, and as long as you washed your hands,
you are cool.

I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets
what I'm saying).

bp

  


On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:

Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the
customer may have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a
deep heavy breath on could have enough of this nasty if he
didn't immediately sanitize after touching and getting back
into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face
with an infected hand/glove and he's on the
merry-go-round..  Touch his truck and someone else touches
it.. Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS on metal surfaces
is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad
thing..  Gates are a bad thing..

On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no
closer than 10 feet to anyone, do you think the tech
should still quarantine for 14 days?

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Sean
Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 
  

[AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Dev]

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, there 
seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from the 
community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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[AFMUG] OT: Why there's a TP shortage

[Bill Prince]

This was a fun read.

https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as
  long as you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine
  supposed to be sterile?


bp



On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work
place.  Like an unmanned storage building doesn't need a
bathroom, but if you added a workshop suddenly you did.  Not
sure how to square that with the current situation.  If you gave
me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee behind the
building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did
that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe
everybody can mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart
from each other of course :)
  
  
  
  
  On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
  
  

So got an update
  Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
  IDPH hotline 18008893931 
  option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have
no symptoms
  Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet
for more than a few minutes
  
  
  If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within
6 feet for more than a few minutes an employer CANNOT
facilitate an asymptomatic test
  
  
  
  
  The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works
in a office where a lady tested positive, close proximity.
So he was an asymptomatic precautionary test, he met the
criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few
minutes. This place had another positive last week
supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We
will be avoiding people that work there.
  
  
  Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas,
no coffee pot, not fridge, no restroom use. Primary
installer will operate out of the garage and only use the
garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on
jobs. We would send the work truck home but he doesnt have a
garage and we are already seeing an increase in vehicular
burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote
with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in
the garage where inventory will be available for resupply.
It will be lysol stocked at night.
  
  
  Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace
to do builds and all that. if im not building or hanging,
ill be home.
  
  
  I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We
will have as minimal contact as is realistic. If its just
911 guy for tower work, they wont leave the vehicle. We will
go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a
while if its reasonable weight.
  
  
  Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks
every time some pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear
instruction that if the customer comes outside, they are to
get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop
approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
equipment later
  
  
  
  



  On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at
10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
  
  

  You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose. 
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM,
  Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  

  
  

  
Up your nose with a rubber
  hose.
-Vinny Barbarino
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43
  PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on
  COVID
  

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

Every time I clean them with the recirculating acid solution they immediately 
start leaking.  I quit cleaning them.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 5:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Yeah, you can clean them every year to help lengthen that time. We have hard 
water as well so I put in a water softener. I like it better anyway and I don't 
have to worry about  that problem.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:18 PM  wrote:

  I have two large gas tankless that serve different bathrooms and areas of the 
house.  Love them.  But their heat exchangers will start leaking after 5 years 
or so on our hard water.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:48 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 gas 
units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and fire up 
when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and they work well.

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:

On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... 
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At 
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of 
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:

  120 volts 30 amps $153
  Only needs 10 gauge wire.
  
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

  You can do it Steve.



  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the 
smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
  
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty 
circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate 
for a single sink.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water 
heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not 
sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing 
the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.



  For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the 
foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still 
wash my hands.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.



  I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the 
purpose is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to 
work, grab gear, grab van and go.



  We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can 
wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because 
there is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will 
destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping 
the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)



  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the 
bathroom at a fast food place anymore.



Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and 
paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting 
or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer 
would be the backup plan.



I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not 
sure that’s true.  Wash your hands before and 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Lewis Bergman]

Yeah, you can clean them every year to help lengthen that time. We have
hard water as well so I put in a water softener. I like it better anyway
and I don't have to worry about  that problem.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:18 PM  wrote:

> I have two large gas tankless that serve different bathrooms and areas of
> the house.  Love them.  But their heat exchangers will start leaking after
> 5 years or so on our hard water.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
> My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2
> gas units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and
> fire up when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and
> they work well.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>> I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects...
>> electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At
>> standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of
>> ~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> 120 volts 30 amps $153
>>> Only needs 10 gauge wire.
>>>
>>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications
>>>
>>> You can do it Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>>
>>> I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the
>>> smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
>>>
>>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
>>> $145 40 amps.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>>
>>>
>>> Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty
>>> circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be
>>> adequate for a single sink.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water
>>> heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever,
>>> not sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for
>>> washing the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the
>>> foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d
>>> still wash my hands.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
>>> equipment will be placed in quarantine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the
>>> purpose is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to
>>> work, grab gear, grab van and go.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
>>> wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water
>>> because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old
>>> plumbing will destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a
>>> constant battle keeping the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom
>>> with hot water near the living quarters, but it requires traversing the
>>> whole place)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom
>>> at a fast food place anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and
>>> paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against
>>> contracting or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based
>>> hand sanitizer would be the backup plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not
>>> sure that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and
>>> the sink and toilet can 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

That sounds like the Rheem unit I saw on homedepot.com.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

We have the little electric tankless at our shop.  Works fine for the shop 
sink, and can even do a shower, just don't run anything else at the same time.  
240v@60A I think they call it a 13kw unit.  It was cheap. I think like $300 or 
something.  Water is hotter than you can touch.  +1 recommend.  

I would only do gas on my house with more possible draw sources though.  I love 
my tankless heater at home.  

On 4/13/2020 4:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

For a house, yes I would install the gas ones.

 

Way back around 1965-1967 my family lived in Buenos Aires and the house we 
rented had the gas ones on the wall in each room that needed hot water.  Pretty 
neat, you’d turn on the faucet and instantly the gas flame would come on, and 
you’d have not water in seconds.  Whereas in my current house with water 
heaters in the basement it takes way longer than that, plus you’re wasting 
water, and also gas or electricity keeping that 50 gallon tank of water hot all 
the time.

 

But running a gas line and a vent for a gas water heater seems like too much 
work for just a hand washing station in the shop.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 gas 
units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and fire up 
when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and they work well.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... 
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At 
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of 
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

120 volts 30 amps $153

Only needs 10 gauge wire.

https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

 

You can do it Steve.

 

 

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the smallest 
one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.

https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  I 
see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

For a house, yes I would install the gas ones.

 

Way back around 1965-1967 my family lived in Buenos Aires and the house we 
rented had the gas ones on the wall in each room that needed hot water.  Pretty 
neat, you’d turn on the faucet and instantly the gas flame would come on, and 
you’d have not water in seconds.  Whereas in my current house with water 
heaters in the basement it takes way longer than that, plus you’re wasting 
water, and also gas or electricity keeping that 50 gallon tank of water hot all 
the time.

 

But running a gas line and a vent for a gas water heater seems like too much 
work for just a hand washing station in the shop.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 gas 
units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and fire up 
when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and they work well.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... 
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At 
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of 
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

120 volts 30 amps $153

Only needs 10 gauge wire.

 

 
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

 

You can do it Steve.

 

 

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the smallest 
one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.

https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  I 
see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

 

Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

I have two large gas tankless that serve different bathrooms and areas of the 
house.  Love them.  But their heat exchangers will start leaking after 5 years 
or so on our hard water.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 gas 
units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and fire up 
when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and they work well.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:

  On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.  

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... 
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At 
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of 
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.


  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:

120 volts 30 amps $153
Only needs 10 gauge wire.

https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

You can do it Steve.



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the 
smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.

https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty 
circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate 
for a single sink.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water 
heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not 
sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing 
the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.



For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the 
foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still 
wash my hands.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.



I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose 
is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.



We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can 
wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because 
there is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will 
destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping 
the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)



On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom 
at a fast food place anymore.



  Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and 
paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting 
or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer 
would be the backup plan.



  I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not 
sure that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the 
sink and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  So got an update

  Anybody 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Lewis Bergman]

My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2
gas units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and
fire up when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and
they work well.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:

> On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
> I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects...
> electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At
> standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of
> ~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
>> 120 volts 30 amps $153
>> Only needs 10 gauge wire.
>>
>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications
>>
>> You can do it Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>> I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the
>> smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
>>
>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
>> $145 40 amps.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>> Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty
>> circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be
>> adequate for a single sink.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water
>> heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever,
>> not sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for
>> washing the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the
>> foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d
>> still wash my hands.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
>> equipment will be placed in quarantine.
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the
>> purpose is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to
>> work, grab gear, grab van and go.
>>
>>
>>
>> We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
>> wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water
>> because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old
>> plumbing will destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a
>> constant battle keeping the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom
>> with hot water near the living quarters, but it requires traversing the
>> whole place)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom
>> at a fast food place anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and
>> paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against
>> contracting or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based
>> hand sanitizer would be the backup plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not
>> sure that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and
>> the sink and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray
>> cleaner.  Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.
>> Before I worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting
>> wipes before leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those
>> are hard surfaces touched with your hands.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> So got an update
>>
>> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
>>
>> IDPH hotline 18008893931
>>
>> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
>>
>> Continue 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... 
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At 
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of 
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:

  120 volts 30 amps $153
  Only needs 10 gauge wire.
  
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

  You can do it Steve.



  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the smallest 
one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
  
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

  Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  
I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water 
heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not 
sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing 
the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.



  For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



  Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.



  I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.



  We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)



  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at 
a fast food place anymore.



Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and 
paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting 
or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer 
would be the backup plan.



I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID



So got an update

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a 
few minutes



If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test





The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where 
a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic 
precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. 
thankfully 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Mathew Howard]

Well, if you're just going to your spot out back, there aren't doorknobs,
etc. to touch... might actually be more sanitary.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:38 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  Like
> an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a
> workshop suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current
> situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee
> behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did
> that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can
> mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So got an update
> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
> IDPH hotline 18008893931
> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
> few minutes
>
> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
> than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
>
>
> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
> people that work there.
>
> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
> fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
> and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
> remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
> the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
> an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
> be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
> garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
> stocked at night.
>
> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
> all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
>
> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
> wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs
> and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
>
> Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
> pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the
> customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if
> customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
> equipment later
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> You can pick your friends.
>> And you can pick your nose.
>> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
>>
>> -Vinny Barbarino
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
>> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
>> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>>
>> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
>> saying).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may
>> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could
>> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching
>> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face
>> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his
>> truck and someone else touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS
>> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad
>> thing..  Gates are a bad thing..
>>
>> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet
>> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
>> interactions on March 16th.
>>
>>
>>
>> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets
>> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>>
>>
>>
>> NO ONE 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

120 volts 30 amps $153
Only needs 10 gauge wire.
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications

You can do it Steve.



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the smallest 
one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  I 
see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

   

  Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

   

  I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

   

  So got an update

  Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

  IDPH hotline 18008893931 

  option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

  Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

   

  If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

   

   

  The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

   

  Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the smallest 
one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
  $145 40 amps.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  I 
see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

   

  Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

   

  I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

   

  So got an update

  Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

  IDPH hotline 18008893931 

  option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

  Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

   

  If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

   

   

  The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

   

  Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

   

  Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

   

  I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty circuit.  I 
see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate for a 
single sink.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

 

Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

 

I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

So got an update

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

 

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

 

 

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

 

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

 

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

 

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

 

Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some pauper 

[AFMUG] OT Giving thanks

[chuck]

for TSLA...
(if I say more I am afraid I may jinx myself)-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

   

  Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

   

  I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

   

  So got an update

  Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

  IDPH hotline 18008893931 

  option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

  Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

   

  If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

   

   

  The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

   

  Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

   

  Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

   

  I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

   

  Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some pauper 
approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the customer comes 
outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop 
approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover equipment later

   

   

   

  On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

You can pick your friends.

And you can pick your nose. 

But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[James Howard]

Depending on the size of the space and how air tight it is you might be able to 
use one of these to get hot water there at least for now.  I’ve used a similar 
one in my pole shed for a couple of years now.  Only trouble is if it gets 
below freezing and you don’t drain it well, it can freeze up.  Hopefully we’re 
past that for a while now though.

https://www.amazon.com/Camplux-Outdoor-Portable-Propane-Tankless/dp/B01CJPU6JI?ref_=ast_sto_dp



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test


The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

Thank god we dont have to shut 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water heater 
for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever, not sure why 
they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for washing the bird 
poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.

 

For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the foaming 
hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still wash my 
hands.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered 
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

 

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose is 
to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab 
gear, grab van and go.

 

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can wash 
in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because there 
is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will destroy a 
standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping the 
urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living 
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

 

Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

 

I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

So got an update

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

 

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

 

 

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

 

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

 

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

 

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

 

Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some pauper 
approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the customer comes 
outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop 
approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover equipment later

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

You can pick your friends.

And you can pick your nose. 

But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Up your nose with a rubber hose.

-Vinny Barbarino

 

From: AF 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Adam Moffett]

Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  
Like an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you 
added a workshop suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the 
current situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably 
go pee behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if 
everybody else did that then maybe that's the same as having a 
bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet 
apart from each other of course :)




On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more 
than a few minutes


If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for 
more than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test



The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office 
where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an 
asymptomatic precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was 
within 6 feet for more than a few minutes. This place had another 
positive last week supposedly. thankfully they are closed for 
sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.


Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, 
not fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the 
garage and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes 
set up for remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on 
jobs. We would send the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage 
and we are already seeing an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner 
will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his van in his 
garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory will 
be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.


Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds 
and all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.


I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as 
minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, 
they wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up 
grain legs and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.


Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some 
pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the 
customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if 
customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will 
recover equipment later




On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose.
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Up your nose with a rubber hose.

-Vinny Barbarino

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands
after any potential contact. You could stick your finger up an
infected person's nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you
are cool.

I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what
I'm saying).

bp

  


On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:

Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the
customer may have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a
deep heavy breath on could have enough of this nasty if he
didn't immediately sanitize after touching and getting back
into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face
with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. 
Touch his truck and someone else touches it..  Less likely
but possible.   3-7 DAYS on metal surfaces is really bad if
not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad thing..  Gates are a
bad thing..

On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no
closer than 10 feet to anyone, do you think the tech
should still quarantine for 14 days?

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

This is exactly why our company stopped all in person
customer interactions on March 16th.

Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your
tech gets infected along with their 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
equipment will be placed in quarantine.

I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose
is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work,
grab gear, grab van and go.

We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water
because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old
plumbing will destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a
constant battle keeping the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom
with hot water near the living quarters, but it requires traversing the
whole place)

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom
> at a fast food place anymore.
>
>
>
> Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and
> paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against
> contracting or spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based
> hand sanitizer would be the backup plan.
>
>
>
> I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure
> that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the
> sink and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray
> cleaner.  Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.
> Before I worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting
> wipes before leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those
> are hard surfaces touched with your hands.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> So got an update
>
> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
>
> IDPH hotline 18008893931
>
> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
>
> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
> few minutes
>
>
>
> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
> than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
>
>
>
>
>
> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
> people that work there.
>
>
>
> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
> fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
> and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
> remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
> the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
> an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
> be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
> garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
> stocked at night.
>
>
>
> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
> all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
>
>
>
> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
> wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs
> and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.
>
>
>
> Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
> pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the
> customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if
> customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
> equipment later
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> You can pick your friends.
>
> And you can pick your nose.
>
> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
>
> -Vinny Barbarino
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>
> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
> saying).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may
> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The one study I read about they did samples in a CV19 patient
  room & documented all the places they found the virus. They
  did note that they were testing for the RNA sequences, so they
  don't know if the particles were viable or not. That said, when
  they tested surfaces, the particles were "everywhere", but testing
  the air, there were only a couple of hot spots. One was the air
  right above the patient (I guess that's to be expected). The other
  hot spot was the bathroom. They speculated that flushing the
  toilet aerosolizes the particles. Their takeaway was to try to
  stay away from small, poorly ventilated areas.


bp



On 4/13/2020 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you
  can stop and use the bathroom at a fast food place anymore.
 
Do you have a sink in the garage area for
  washing hands, with soap and paper towels?  I still view
  handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or
  spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based
  hand sanitizer would be the backup plan.
 
I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for
  contamination, but I’m not sure that’s true.  Wash your hands
  before and after, use paper towels, and the sink and toilet
  can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray
  cleaner.  Getting spread by clothes seems a very low
  probability scenario.  Before I worried about that, I’d be
  wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before leaving
  them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard
  surfaces touched with your hands.
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

  So got an update
  
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
  
  
IDPH hotline 18008893931 
  
  
option 4 I was in contact with a
  positive case but have no symptoms
  
  
Continue normal activity if contact was
  not within 6 feet for more than a few minutes
  
  
 
  
  
If there are no symptoms and there was
  not contact within 6 feet for more than a few minutes an
  employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
The followup on the customer, Im not so
  mad now. He works in a office where a lady tested
  positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
  precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was
  within 6 feet for more than a few minutes. This place had
  another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they are
  closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that
  work there.
  
  
 
  
  
Given the issue, we are closing all our
  communal areas, no coffee pot, not fridge, no restroom
  use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and
  only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes
  set up for remote now and will be on call when hes not
  actively on jobs. We would send the work truck home but he
  doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase
  in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech
  will be remote with his van in his garage. There is a
  large workbench in the garage where inventory will be
  available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.
  
  
 
  
  
Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the
  primary workspace to do builds and all that. if im not
  building or hanging, ill be home.
  
  
 
  
  
I will have techs meet me on build
  sites as required. We will have as minimal contact as is
  realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
  wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping
  stuff up grain legs and towers for a while if its
  reasonable weight.
  
  
 
  
  
Thank god we dont have to shut stuff
  down for 2 weeks every time some pauper approaches us.
  Techs were given clear 

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

I learned a long time ago to show a “compliant attitude” with any legal 
authority.  Goes a long way with the cops and the FAA.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

i remember when the bundys took over the wildlife refuge. never could figure 
out how a couple locals charged with arson correlated to them taking over the 
refuge and making improvements to it. finnicum got himself killed, im pretty 
sure that was his intent. The fbi was in the wrong, but it was an 
understandable consequence. dont rush the trigger happy  steroid freaks, im 
just saying. i do hope those who lied on reports go to prison for a long time, 
but the shooting was just a consequence of stupidity across the board. i 
watched the video from the truck. whoever took the shot at the truck needs a 
live sentence, after a public caning of everyone in the truck. the bundys are 
an odd bunch

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Lots of people have wrongheaded beliefs.  Lots of people are assholes.  Lots 
of people have guns.  Lots of people make threats.  Put them all together, 
though, and you have a problem.  I seem to remember that law enforcement tried 
to take the approach that enforcing compliance would do more harm than good, 
but some outside agitators stirred the pot.  I don’t really follow this case 
and probably have some of the details wrong, but for better or worse that’s my 
tl;dr recollection.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday



  He’s said before that he’d pay the state for the grazing, just not the BLM.  
So why doesnt the state just accept the check and sign it over to the BLM? lol







On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:22 AM,   wrote:



The part of Nevada in question has a long running battle between the BLM 
and locals.  Locals want to continue to use rs2477 roads, the BLM wants to 
close them.  Years ago they called it the sagebrush rebellion.  Bundy’s claim 
of prior rights seems a bit sketchy.  I am very surprised he did not end up in 
jail.  



Yeah, grazing is cheap.  But they are $1M in arrears.  Wasn’t until the BLM 
attempted to collect and evict that the prior rights became part of the 
argument we heard in the media.  



From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday



The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument. 
Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem 
skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public 
asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some reason, 
they think they are exempt and want something for nothing. 

The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government 
are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a 
month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch 
out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than that. He 
does get all surface rights, which include hunting which he resells, but he 
only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love to forget about the 
hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.



On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

  Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do 
a gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  



  While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues 
in Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the 
religious element in their arguments. 



  If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 



  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday



  Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County 
Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.

bp On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

https://covid19.topos.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

  I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't 
found that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 



  The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC 
curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...



  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom at a 
fast food place anymore.

 

Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and paper 
towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting or 
spreading the virus.  I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer would 
be the backup plan.

 

I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not sure 
that’s true.  Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the sink 
and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.  
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario.  Before I 
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before 
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces 
touched with your hands.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

So got an update

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

 

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

 

 

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

 

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

 

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

 

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

 

Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some pauper 
approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the customer comes 
outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop 
approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover equipment later

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

You can pick your friends.

And you can pick your nose. 

But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Up your nose with a rubber hose.

-Vinny Barbarino

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any 
potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's nose, 
and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.

I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm saying).

 

bp

 

On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:

Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may have 
sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could have enough 
of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching and getting back 
into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face with an infected 
hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his truck and someone else 
touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS on metal surfaces is really 
bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad thing..  Gates are a bad thing..   

On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet to 
anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

This is exactly why our company 

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Lewis Bergman]

I translated it to a per head cost. He leases the ranch from a trust for
the entire ranch of 40k acres. What a head is worth depends on how you sell
them but I think he mostly sells heifers without cows and all yearling
bulls for $1800 to $2500 but it is a per pound price. He is doing well as
he now has a zero cost basis in them now.

As a side note, i think there is a national case working its way to the
supreme court right now that alleges the very few packers have increased
the price to the consumer but there has been no correlating price increase
to the producers.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> That $165,000 is what, about $118/head? I honestly don't know what a whole
> cow is worth at auction, but I would guess around $1,000-$1,500? if your
> friend is doing OK at that rate, the $16/head price seems like a screaming
> deal.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 9:51 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument.
> Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem
> skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a
> public asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some
> reason, they think they are exempt and want something for nothing.
> The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the
> government are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35
> per head a month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000
> acres on a ranch out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year
> more than that. He does get all surface rights, which include hunting which
> he resells, but he only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love
> to forget about the hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:
>
>> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do
>> a gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
>> something like that.
>>
>> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues
>> in Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have
>> the religious element in their arguments.
>>
>> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No
>> exceptions...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>>
>>
>> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County
>> Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it
>> again.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> https://covid19.topos.com/
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't
>>> found that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>>
>>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Steve Jones]

i remember when the bundys took over the wildlife refuge. never could
figure out how a couple locals charged with arson correlated to them taking
over the refuge and making improvements to it. finnicum got himself killed,
im pretty sure that was his intent. The fbi was in the wrong, but it was an
understandable consequence. dont rush the trigger happy  steroid freaks, im
just saying. i do hope those who lied on reports go to prison for a long
time, but the shooting was just a consequence of stupidity across the
board. i watched the video from the truck. whoever took the shot at the
truck needs a live sentence, after a public caning of everyone in the
truck. the bundys are an odd bunch

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Lots of people have wrongheaded beliefs.  Lots of people are assholes.
> Lots of people have guns.  Lots of people make threats.  Put them all
> together, though, and you have a problem.  I seem to remember that law
> enforcement tried to take the approach that enforcing compliance would do
> more harm than good, but some outside agitators stirred the pot.  I don’t
> really follow this case and probably have some of the details wrong, but
> for better or worse that’s my tl;dr recollection.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
>
> He’s said before that he’d pay the state for the grazing, just not the
> BLM.  So why doesnt the state just accept the check and sign it over to the
> BLM? lol
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:22 AM,   wrote:
>
>
>
> The part of Nevada in question has a long running battle between the BLM
> and locals.  Locals want to continue to use rs2477 roads, the BLM wants to
> close them.  Years ago they called it the sagebrush rebellion.  Bundy’s
> claim of prior rights seems a bit sketchy.  I am very surprised he did not
> end up in jail.
>
>
>
> Yeah, grazing is cheap.  But they are $1M in arrears.  Wasn’t until the
> BLM attempted to collect and evict that the prior rights became part of the
> argument we heard in the media.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
>
> The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument.
> Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem
> skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a
> public asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some
> reason, they think they are exempt and want something for nothing.
>
> The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the
> government are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35
> per head a month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000
> acres on a ranch out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year
> more than that. He does get all surface rights, which include hunting which
> he resells, but he only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love
> to forget about the hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:
>
> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a
> gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
> something like that.
>
>
>
> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in
> Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the
> religious element in their arguments.
>
>
>
> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No
> exceptions...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
>
> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho
> (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> https://covid19.topos.com/
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>
>
>
> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
> at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
> doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
> the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
> looks like it's probably just getting started...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
>
> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
few minutes

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test


The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where
a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
people that work there.

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
stocked at night.

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs
and towers for a while if its reasonable weight.

Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the
customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if
customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover
equipment later



On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You can pick your friends.
> And you can pick your nose.
> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Up your nose with a rubber hose.
>
> -Vinny Barbarino
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any
> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
>
> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
> saying).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Depends upon what he touched on the outside.  Anything the customer may
> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could
> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching
> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around.  Touch his face
> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..  Touch his
> truck and someone else touches it..  Less likely but possible.   3-7 DAYS
> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized.   Door bells are a bad
> thing..  Gates are a bad thing..
>
> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet
> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
> interactions on March 16th.
>
>
>
> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets
> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>
>
>
> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>
>
>
> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.
> Internet is not worth someone  dying over!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently
> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was
> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin
> out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my
> stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal
> about this since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had
> no contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly.
> But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are
> closed tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. 

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Ken Hohhof]

Lots of people have wrongheaded beliefs.  Lots of people are assholes.  Lots of 
people have guns.  Lots of people make threats.  Put them all together, though, 
and you have a problem.  I seem to remember that law enforcement tried to take 
the approach that enforcing compliance would do more harm than good, but some 
outside agitators stirred the pot.  I don’t really follow this case and 
probably have some of the details wrong, but for better or worse that’s my 
tl;dr recollection.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

He’s said before that he’d pay the state for the grazing, just not the BLM.  So 
why doesnt the state just accept the check and sign it over to the BLM? lol

 





On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:22 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

The part of Nevada in question has a long running battle between the BLM and 
locals.  Locals want to continue to use rs2477 roads, the BLM wants to close 
them.  Years ago they called it the sagebrush rebellion.  Bundy’s claim of 
prior rights seems a bit sketchy.  I am very surprised he did not end up in 
jail.  

 

Yeah, grazing is cheap.  But they are $1M in arrears.  Wasn’t until the BLM 
attempted to collect and evict that the prior rights became part of the 
argument we heard in the media.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument. Once 
you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem skilled 
at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public asset, 
you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some reason, they 
think they are exempt and want something for nothing. 

The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government are 
extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a month or 
$16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch out here 
for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than that. He does get all 
surface rights, which include hunting which he resells, but he only does that 
to defray costs. I am sure he would love to forget about the hunting revenue 
and just pay the $22,680 a year.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  

 

While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in Utah 
and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the religious 
element in their arguments. 

 

If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho (> 
2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

https://covid19.topos.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Learned something today

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Well, I'll be @#$%&!


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  From Beetle Bailey.
   
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  to the series of typographical symbols (such as
  @#$%&!) used in cartoons and comic strips to
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We've always referred to it as Bureau of Leasing and Mining, but
  whatever floats your boat.


bp



On 4/13/2020 10:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  It has always been a screaming deal.  Detractors used to
claim that BLM stood for Bureau of Livestock and Mining.
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
  

 
  
  
That $165,000 is what, about $118/head? I honestly don't
  know what a whole cow is worth at auction, but I would
  guess around $1,000-$1,500? if your friend is doing OK at
  that rate, the $16/head price seems like a screaming deal.
 
bp



On 4/13/2020 9:51 AM, Lewis
  Bergman wrote:


  The soundbites make it seem like that bunch
of cooks has a valid argument. Once you dig down into it
you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem skilled
at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to
use a public asset, you have to pay the public
(gevernment) for its use. For some reason, they think
they are exempt and want something for nothing.
The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing
  rights from the government are extremely cheap
  compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a
  month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases
  40,000 acres on a ranch out here for about 1400 head.
  He pays about $165k a year more than that. He does get
  all surface rights, which include hunting which he
  resells, but he only does that to defray costs. I am
  sure he would love to forget about the hunting revenue
  and just pay the $22,680 a year.

  
   
  
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020
  at 11:28 AM 
  wrote:


  

  
Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw
  something about them wanting to do a gathering
  of people with armed enforcement of the right
  to assemble or something like that.  
 
While I sympathize somewhat with some of
  their grazing and water issues in Utah and
  Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a
  fight.  They have the religious element in
  their arguments. 
 
If you graze on public land, you have to
  pay your grazing fees.  No exceptions... 

  
 

  From: Bill Prince
  
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020
10:16 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy
Monday

  
   


  Interesting that the worst place for
COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho (>
2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the
Bundies are at it again.
  
  bp



  On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza
wrote:
  
  
https://covid19.topos.com/
  
On
  Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew
  Howard 
  wrote:


  I wish they had these
charts per state or metro area, but
I haven't found that anywhere yet
(not that I've spent a lot of time
   

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

It has always been a screaming deal.  Detractors used to claim that BLM stood 
for Bureau of Livestock and Mining.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

That $165,000 is what, about $118/head? I honestly don't know what a whole cow 
is worth at auction, but I would guess around $1,000-$1,500? if your friend is 
doing OK at that rate, the $16/head price seems like a screaming deal.



bp


On 4/13/2020 9:51 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument. 
Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem 
skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public 
asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some reason, 
they think they are exempt and want something for nothing. 
  The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government 
are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a 
month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch 
out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than that. He 
does get all surface rights, which include hunting which he resells, but he 
only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love to forget about the 
hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.


  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  

While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in 
Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the 
religious element in their arguments. 

If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho 
(> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.


bp


On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  https://covid19.topos.com/

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't 
found that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC 
curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That $165,000 is what, about $118/head? I honestly don't know
  what a whole cow is worth at auction, but I would guess around
  $1,000-$1,500? if your friend is doing OK at that rate, the
  $16/head price seems like a screaming deal.


bp



On 4/13/2020 9:51 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of
cooks has a valid argument. Once you dig down into it you find
they are a bunch of anarchist that seem skilled at swaying the
media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public asset,
you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some
reason, they think they are exempt and want something for
nothing.
The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights
  from the government are extremely cheap compared to private
  land costs. It is $1.35 per head a month or $16.20 a year. A
  friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch out here
  for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than
  that. He does get all surface rights, which include hunting
  which he resells, but he only does that to defray costs. I am
  sure he would love to forget about the hunting revenue and
  just pay the $22,680 a year.

  
  
  
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28
  AM 
  wrote:


  

  
Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something
  about them wanting to do a gathering of people with
  armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
  something like that.  
 
While I sympathize somewhat with some of their
  grazing and water issues in Utah and Nevada those guys
  seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the
  religious element in their arguments. 
 
If you graze on public land, you have to pay your
  grazing fees.  No exceptions... 

  
 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

  
   


  Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases
is Blaine County Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000
population), and the Bundies are at it again.
  
  bp



  On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  
  
https://covid19.topos.com/
  
On Mon, Apr
  13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard 
  wrote:


  I wish they had these charts
per state or metro area, but I haven't found
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot
of time looking... )
 
The problem with this, is that it's
  pretty much just showing the NYC curve at
  this point (since everything else is
  buried under those numbers), and doesn't
  really give us a good picture of what's
  happening in other parts of the country. I
  expect we're going to follow along with
  Chicago here, which looks like it's
  probably just getting started...
  
   
  
On Mon,
  Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM 
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Cassidy B. Larson]

He’s said before that he’d pay the state for the grazing, just not the BLM.  So 
why doesnt the state just accept the check and sign it over to the BLM? lol


> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:22 AM,   wrote:
> 
> The part of Nevada in question has a long running battle between the BLM and 
> locals.  Locals want to continue to use rs2477 roads, the BLM wants to close 
> them.  Years ago they called it the sagebrush rebellion.  Bundy’s claim of 
> prior rights seems a bit sketchy.  I am very surprised he did not end up in 
> jail. 
>  
> Yeah, grazing is cheap.  But they are $1M in arrears.  Wasn’t until the BLM 
> attempted to collect and evict that the prior rights became part of the 
> argument we heard in the media. 
>  
> From: Lewis Bergman <>
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>  
> The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument. 
> Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem 
> skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public 
> asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some reason, 
> they think they are exempt and want something for nothing.
> The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government 
> are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a 
> month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch 
> out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than that. He 
> does get all surface rights, which include hunting which he resells, but he 
> only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love to forget about the 
> hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.
>  
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM > wrote:
>> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
>> gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
>> something like that. 
>>  
>> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in 
>> Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the 
>> religious element in their arguments.
>>  
>> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
>> exceptions...
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince <>
>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>>  
>> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho 
>> (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> https://covid19.topos.com/ 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard > wrote:
 I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found 
 that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
  
 The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve 
 at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
 doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts 
 of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, 
 which looks like it's probably just getting started...
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

The part of Nevada in question has a long running battle between the BLM and 
locals.  Locals want to continue to use rs2477 roads, the BLM wants to close 
them.  Years ago they called it the sagebrush rebellion.  Bundy’s claim of 
prior rights seems a bit sketchy.  I am very surprised he did not end up in 
jail.  

Yeah, grazing is cheap.  But they are $1M in arrears.  Wasn’t until the BLM 
attempted to collect and evict that the prior rights became part of the 
argument we heard in the media.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument. Once 
you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem skilled 
at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a public asset, 
you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some reason, they 
think they are exempt and want something for nothing. 
The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government are 
extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a month or 
$16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a ranch out here 
for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than that. He does get all 
surface rights, which include hunting which he resells, but he only does that 
to defray costs. I am sure he would love to forget about the hunting revenue 
and just pay the $22,680 a year.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

  Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  

  While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in 
Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the 
religious element in their arguments. 

  If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

  Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho (> 
2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.


bp


On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

https://covid19.topos.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found 
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

  The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC 
curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Ken Hohhof]

Use silver bullets dipped in hydroxychloroquine?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

theirs was more to do with prior rights.

 

I fully support these armed gatherings

I fully support my right to shoot them if they do a mass gathering and come 
near my installers afterward

I dont own the company, I dont have any direct cost. but eventually if we have 
to keep sending guys home for 14 days, my bosses profits drop, my bonus 
potential and my potential for a raise decrease. eventually we are low enough 
on money I have to go back to putting up tranzeo gear and babysitting my 
network when i could be better focusing on my drinking.  If they have the right 
to protect their freedoms, so do I

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  

 

While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in Utah 
and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the religious 
element in their arguments. 

 

If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho (> 
2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

https://covid19.topos.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Lewis Bergman]

The soundbites make it seem like that bunch of cooks has a valid argument.
Once you dig down into it you find they are a bunch of anarchist that seem
skilled at swaying the media. As Chuck said, if you are going to use a
public asset, you have to pay the public (gevernment) for its use. For some
reason, they think they are exempt and want something for nothing.
The funny thing to me is that typically, grazing rights from the government
are extremely cheap compared to private land costs. It is $1.35 per head a
month or $16.20 a year. A friend of mine that leases 40,000 acres on a
ranch out here for about 1400 head. He pays about $165k a year more than
that. He does get all surface rights, which include hunting which he
resells, but he only does that to defray costs. I am sure he would love to
forget about the hunting revenue and just pay the $22,680 a year.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a
> gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
> something like that.
>
> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in
> Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the
> religious element in their arguments.
>
> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No
> exceptions...
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho
> (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> https://covid19.topos.com/
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
>> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>
>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Mathew Howard]

I like the way you think...

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:35 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> theirs was more to do with prior rights.
>
> I fully support these armed gatherings
> I fully support my right to shoot them if they do a mass gathering and
> come near my installers afterward
> I dont own the company, I dont have any direct cost. but eventually if we
> have to keep sending guys home for 14 days, my bosses profits drop, my
> bonus potential and my potential for a raise decrease. eventually we are
> low enough on money I have to go back to putting up tranzeo gear and
> babysitting my network when i could be better focusing on my drinking.  If
> they have the right to protect their freedoms, so do I
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:
>
>> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do
>> a gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
>> something like that.
>>
>> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues
>> in Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have
>> the religious element in their arguments.
>>
>> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No
>> exceptions...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>>
>>
>> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County
>> Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it
>> again.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> https://covid19.topos.com/
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't
>>> found that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>>
>>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you need some Tranzeo gear to put up, there are probably a few
  people on the list who would be happy to get it out of their dead
  radios bin.


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On 4/13/2020 9:33 AM, Steve Jones
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  theirs was more to do with prior rights.


I fully support these armed gatherings
I fully support my right to shoot them if they do a mass
  gathering and come near my installers afterward
I dont own the company, I dont have any direct cost. but
  eventually if we have to keep sending guys home for 14 days,
  my bosses profits drop, my bonus potential and my potential
  for a raise decrease. eventually we are low enough on money I
  have to go back to putting up tranzeo gear and babysitting my
  network when i could be better focusing on my drinking.  If
  they have the right to protect their freedoms, so do I
  
  
  
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28
  AM 
  wrote:


  

  
Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something
  about them wanting to do a gathering of people with
  armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
  something like that.  
 
While I sympathize somewhat with some of their
  grazing and water issues in Utah and Nevada those guys
  seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the
  religious element in their arguments. 
 
If you graze on public land, you have to pay your
  grazing fees.  No exceptions... 

  
 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

  
   


  Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases
is Blaine County Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000
population), and the Bundies are at it again.
  
  bp



  On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  
  
https://covid19.topos.com/
  
On Mon, Apr
  13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard 
  wrote:


  I wish they had these charts
per state or metro area, but I haven't found
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot
of time looking... )
 
The problem with this, is that it's
  pretty much just showing the NYC curve at
  this point (since everything else is
  buried under those numbers), and doesn't
  really give us a good picture of what's
  happening in other parts of the country. I
  expect we're going to follow along with
  Chicago here, which looks like it's
  probably just getting started...
  
   
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Steve Jones]

theirs was more to do with prior rights.

I fully support these armed gatherings
I fully support my right to shoot them if they do a mass gathering and come
near my installers afterward
I dont own the company, I dont have any direct cost. but eventually if we
have to keep sending guys home for 14 days, my bosses profits drop, my
bonus potential and my potential for a raise decrease. eventually we are
low enough on money I have to go back to putting up tranzeo gear and
babysitting my network when i could be better focusing on my drinking.  If
they have the right to protect their freedoms, so do I

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

> Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a
> gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or
> something like that.
>
> While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in
> Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the
> religious element in their arguments.
>
> If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No
> exceptions...
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
> Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho
> (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> https://covid19.topos.com/
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
>> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>
>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I heard a story about them on the radio this morning but
  attention was divided & I didn't get the whole story. I'm not
  sure exactly where they are in Idaho, but when I saw the
  county-by-county map showing Blaine County Idaho having among the
  highest (if not the highest) rate of infections, it just seemed
  kind of ironic. Obviously, I have not really analyzed this; just
  kind of cherry picking news nuggets.


bp



On 4/13/2020 9:27 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about
them wanting to do a gathering of people with armed
enforcement of the right to assemble or something like
that.  
   
  While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing
and water issues in Utah and Nevada those guys seem to be
itching for a fight.  They have the religious element in
their arguments. 
   
  If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing
fees.  No exceptions... 
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
  

 
  
  
Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is
  Blaine County Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000
  population), and the Bundies are at it again.

bp



On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime
  Solorza wrote:


  https://covid19.topos.com/

  On Mon, Apr 13,
2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard 
wrote:
  
  
I wish they had these charts per
  state or metro area, but I haven't found that
  anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time
  looking... )
   
  The problem with this, is that it's pretty
much just showing the NYC curve at this point
(since everything else is buried under those
numbers), and doesn't really give us a good
picture of what's happening in other parts of
the country. I expect we're going to follow
along with Chicago here, which looks like it's
probably just getting started...

 

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2020 at 10:12 AM 
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

Is that where the Bundies are?  I saw something about them wanting to do a 
gathering of people with armed enforcement of the right to assemble or 
something like that.  

While I sympathize somewhat with some of their grazing and water issues in Utah 
and Nevada those guys seem to be itching for a fight.  They have the religious 
element in their arguments. 

If you graze on public land, you have to pay your grazing fees.  No 
exceptions... 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine County Idaho (> 
2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the Bundies are at it again.


bp


On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  https://covid19.topos.com/

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found 
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve 
at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Interesting that the worst place for COVID-19 cases is Blaine
  County Idaho (> 2,000 cases per 100,000 population), and the
  Bundies are at it again.

bp



On 4/13/2020 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  https://covid19.topos.com/

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21
AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
  
  
I wish they had these charts per state or
  metro area, but I haven't found that anywhere yet (not
  that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
  
  
  The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just
showing the NYC curve at this point (since everything
else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't really
give us a good picture of what's happening in other
parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow
along with Chicago here, which looks like it's probably
just getting started...



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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Steve Jones]

I really dont know why pork burgers arent more popular. If ground with the
right fat content, they taste like pork steaks for people with bad teeth.
Its like lawrys was made specifically for that.
I didnt even know about pork burgers til I started working here, id heard
of them, but thought they meant sausage patties.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:11 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The problem is that so little of the hog is actually bacon, there's
> downward pressure on the demand for the rest of the animal to produce
> enough bacon. Bacon prices will go up, while the rest goes down.
>
>
>
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 13, 2020 11:00:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
> smithfield bacon is awful anyway.
>
> our local dairy has been selling their stuff direct to consumer and
> flooding the local stores. they keep putting heavy cream up dirt cheap so
> me and the kids have been shake shake shaking the shit out of butter.
> When this things over, dairy will be a weird industry, they were already
> in the toilet. so all these small outfits will have re-aligned to local
> commerce and the restaraunt industry will open back up, so theyll be demand
> heavy with decreased output.
>
> Im hoping the meat industry does the same. buying from local butchers in
> bulk was already cheaper than buying package meats, and the quality tends
> to be better. Hopefully the trend takes and people move back to local
> meatshops. that will bring jowl bacon costs down for me.
>
> China, having croaked off a good chunk of their population will hopefully
> have a lower pork belly demand and the bacon prices will go down 5 dollars
> a pound for consumer grade bacon is simply hateful. It really bugs me to
> know they buy up all our bellies and dont even turn them into bacon, thats
> sacrilege.
>
>
> Maybe we will find the "simpler times" are the more roust times.
>
> I still cant find any tyson chicken thighs
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and
>> warning it threatens our national meat supply.  But on the other hand I
>> heard there is actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant closures,
>> and that people were trying to figure out how to hoard all the cheap
>> bacon.  So not sure who to believe.  Not inclined to automatically believe
>> the CEO of a big meat processor.  Also reports of farmers dumping produce
>> and milk because they can’t sell it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
>> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

The log curve of daily deaths is starting to flatten.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

I think the daily deaths graph probably gives a better picture of where we are 
on the curve, but that appears to be pretty much following the same trend 
anyway.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:32 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  This seems to be the only daily new case (United States) graph, too.  I look 
every once in a while but this is the only one.  Not that it's wrong or 
anything, just like seeing multiple sources.


  Josh Luthman
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  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found 
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve 
at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and 
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Mike Hammett]

The problem is that so little of the hog is actually bacon, there's downward 
pressure on the demand for the rest of the animal to produce enough bacon. 
Bacon prices will go up, while the rest goes down. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:00:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday 


smithfield bacon is awful anyway. 


our local dairy has been selling their stuff direct to consumer and flooding 
the local stores. they keep putting heavy cream up dirt cheap so me and the 
kids have been shake shake shaking the shit out of butter. 
When this things over, dairy will be a weird industry, they were already in the 
toilet. so all these small outfits will have re-aligned to local commerce and 
the restaraunt industry will open back up, so theyll be demand heavy with 
decreased output. 


Im hoping the meat industry does the same. buying from local butchers in bulk 
was already cheaper than buying package meats, and the quality tends to be 
better. Hopefully the trend takes and people move back to local meatshops. that 
will bring jowl bacon costs down for me. 


China, having croaked off a good chunk of their population will hopefully have 
a lower pork belly demand and the bacon prices will go down 5 dollars a pound 
for consumer grade bacon is simply hateful. It really bugs me to know they buy 
up all our bellies and dont even turn them into bacon, thats sacrilege. 




Maybe we will find the "simpler times" are the more roust times. 


I still cant find any tyson chicken thighs 


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and warning it 
threatens our national meat supply. But on the other hand I heard there is 
actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant closures, and that people were 
trying to figure out how to hoard all the cheap bacon. So not sure who to 
believe. Not inclined to automatically believe the CEO of a big meat processor. 
Also reports of farmers dumping produce and milk because they can’t sell it. 

Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday 


I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 



The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started... 



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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Mike Hammett]

I look forward to other meat packers closing shop for a while so that the 
supply chain we're in goes slightly up in price from what it would have been. 
:-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:35:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday 



Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and warning it 
threatens our national meat supply. But on the other hand I heard there is 
actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant closures, and that people were 
trying to figure out how to hoard all the cheap bacon. So not sure who to 
believe. Not inclined to automatically believe the CEO of a big meat processor. 
Also reports of farmers dumping produce and milk because they can’t sell it. 

Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday 


I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 



The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started... 



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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Steve Jones]

smithfield bacon is awful anyway.

our local dairy has been selling their stuff direct to consumer and
flooding the local stores. they keep putting heavy cream up dirt cheap so
me and the kids have been shake shake shaking the shit out of butter.
When this things over, dairy will be a weird industry, they were already in
the toilet. so all these small outfits will have re-aligned to local
commerce and the restaraunt industry will open back up, so theyll be demand
heavy with decreased output.

Im hoping the meat industry does the same. buying from local butchers in
bulk was already cheaper than buying package meats, and the quality tends
to be better. Hopefully the trend takes and people move back to local
meatshops. that will bring jowl bacon costs down for me.

China, having croaked off a good chunk of their population will hopefully
have a lower pork belly demand and the bacon prices will go down 5 dollars
a pound for consumer grade bacon is simply hateful. It really bugs me to
know they buy up all our bellies and dont even turn them into bacon, thats
sacrilege.


Maybe we will find the "simpler times" are the more roust times.

I still cant find any tyson chicken thighs

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and
> warning it threatens our national meat supply.  But on the other hand I
> heard there is actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant closures,
> and that people were trying to figure out how to hoard all the cheap
> bacon.  So not sure who to believe.  Not inclined to automatically believe
> the CEO of a big meat processor.  Also reports of farmers dumping produce
> and milk because they can’t sell it.
>
>
>
> Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday
>
>
>
> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>
>
>
> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
> at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
> doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
> the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
> looks like it's probably just getting started...
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Mathew Howard]

I don't remember if I asked that or not, but I'm assuming it won't

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:53 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> will it do data port sync?
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:55 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It's too bad there's no GPS in it though...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k
>>> ap  and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could
>>> use a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable.
>>> This would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple
>>> buildings
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an
 ePMP SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell <
 atrimm...@precisionds.com> wrote:

> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna
> in one?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Mathew Howard]

When I asked Cambium about the lack of GPS, they said that they decided it
wasn't necessary, because these wouldn't be used where you're co-locating
with other APs anyway... that's all fine and dandy, but I don't care about
interfering with other APs at the same site, I care about interfering with
other sites. Granted that won't be a problem in a lot of micropop
situations anyway, but makes it mostly useless to me.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:35 AM Andy Trimmell 
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> Ya that hurts too. Thanks for pointing that out.
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP
>
>
>
> It's too bad there's no GPS in it though...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k
> ap  and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could
> use a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable.
> This would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple
> buildings
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an ePMP
> SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
> one?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixed-wireless-access-point/
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Steve Jones]

will it do data port sync?

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It's too bad there's no GPS in it though...
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k
>> ap  and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could
>> use a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable.
>> This would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple
>> buildings
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an
>>> ePMP SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
 one?




 https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixed-wireless-access-point/





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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Mathew Howard]

I think the daily deaths graph probably gives a better picture of where we
are on the curve, but that appears to be pretty much following the same
trend anyway.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:32 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> This seems to be the only daily new case (United States) graph, too.  I
> look every once in a while but this is the only one.  Not that it's wrong
> or anything, just like seeing multiple sources.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
>> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>>
>> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC
>> curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers),
>> and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other
>> parts of the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago
>> here, which looks like it's probably just getting started...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM  wrote:
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[AFMUG] OT Learned something today

[chuck]

>From Beetle Bailey.

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Adam Moffett]

One of my high school classmates is a life long dairy farmer. This is a 
2-part blog he posted on Linked In.


https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gabriel-carpenter-5a01a910b_why-are-dairy-farms-dumping-milk-part-activity-6652616912771575808-S6ZA?fbclid=IwAR1PrgN5q2shkkQCPC-dIMu9wer4L0qnSbU--Gl6f2YMNn94EvsLF0sV2Mo

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gabriel-carpenter-5a01a910b_why-are-dairy-farmers-dumping-milk-part-activity-6652633195399442432-OxT8?fbclid=IwAR36BdNsFsfziz38pCcCLB1yxgUabn3KZWqGRwcQcaPvLLOPhvSHNGD_hpU

It seems weird to see empty store shelves and dairy farmers dumping 
milk, but that's a confluence of related problems.  People hoarding 
bottled milk eat up the grocery store supply.  Bottling plants can only 
bottle so much per day.  The export market disappeared overnight.  Raw 
milk that can't make it to the bottling plant and can't be exported is 
sitting at the dairy, and they can only store it for 2 days.



On 4/13/2020 11:35 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and 
warning it threatens our national meat supply.  But on the other hand 
I heard there is actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant 
closures, and that people were trying to figure out how to hoard all 
the cheap bacon.  So not sure who to believe.  Not inclined to 
automatically believe the CEO of a big meat processor.  Also reports 
of farmers dumping produce and milk because they can’t sell it.


Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't 
found that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )


The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC 
curve at this point (since everything else is buried under those 
numbers), and doesn't really give us a good picture of what's 
happening in other parts of the country. I expect we're going to 
follow along with Chicago here, which looks like it's probably just 
getting started...


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[chuck]

We have them for Utah but they are a few days old.  They don’t update it as 
frequently as this one.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... ) 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Ken Hohhof]

Bad news for you pork lovers, Smithfield is closing some plants, and warning it 
threatens our national meat supply.  But on the other hand I heard there is 
actually a bacon glut due to all the restaurant closures, and that people were 
trying to figure out how to hoard all the cheap bacon.  So not sure who to 
believe.  Not inclined to automatically believe the CEO of a big meat 
processor.  Also reports of farmers dumping produce and milk because they can’t 
sell it.

 

Interesting, usually the worry is sick pigs, now it’s sick people.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

 

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found that 
anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )

 

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve at 
this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and doesn't 
really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of the 
country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which looks 
like it's probably just getting started...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Andy Trimmell]

Ya that hurts too. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

 

It's too bad there's no GPS in it though...

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k 
ap  and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could use 
a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable. This 
would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple buildings

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 
using an ePMP SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and 
omni antenna in one?

 


https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixed-wireless-access-point/

 

 

Andy Trimmell

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Jaime Solorza]

https://covid19.topos.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Jaime Solorza]

https://covid19.topos.com/
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>
> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
> at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
> doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
> the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
> looks like it's probably just getting started...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Steve Utick]

Actually, I just noticed if you go out here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  Over on the bottom left, they now have an "Admin1" tab that has data
broken out by state.  And an "Admin2" tab that has data broken out by US
County

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>
> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
> at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
> doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
> the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
> looks like it's probably just getting started...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Josh Luthman]

This seems to be the only daily new case (United States) graph, too.  I
look every once in a while but this is the only one.  Not that it's wrong
or anything, just like seeing multiple sources.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
> that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )
>
> The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
> at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
> doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
> the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
> looks like it's probably just getting started...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Happy Monday

[Mathew Howard]

I wish they had these charts per state or metro area, but I haven't found
that anywhere yet (not that I've spent a lot of time looking... )

The problem with this, is that it's pretty much just showing the NYC curve
at this point (since everything else is buried under those numbers), and
doesn't really give us a good picture of what's happening in other parts of
the country. I expect we're going to follow along with Chicago here, which
looks like it's probably just getting started...

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[AFMUG] Happy Monday

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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Mathew Howard]

It's too bad there's no GPS in it though...

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k
> ap  and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could
> use a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable.
> This would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple
> buildings
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an ePMP
>> SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
>>> one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixed-wireless-access-point/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Andy Trimmell]

Too bad. It would have been nice to have it all in one. Having one unit coming 
in and it not look any different on a roof would have been beneficial.  I did 
think the new mu-mimo antenna looked promising though.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

 

This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k ap  and 
put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could use a force 
300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable. This would be 
good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple buildings

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an 
ePMP SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni 
antenna in one?

 


https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixed-wireless-access-point/

 

 

Andy Trimmell

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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Steve Jones]

This thing is pretty cool. Looks like they just robbed the guts of a 3k ap
and put it in the e500 housing. If it's got the aux port then you could use
a force 300 to backhaul into it with just one power supply and cable. This
would be good for some of our hog farm customers with multiple buildings

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 8:03 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an ePMP
> SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
>> one?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Josh Baird]

I think the thought is that you backhaul to the ePMP MP3000 using an ePMP
SM connected to an ePMP 3K access point on a tower.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
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> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
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Re: [AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Darin Steffl]

Not correct. It's an AP, not a backhaul.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 7:14 AM Andy Trimmell 
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> So am I reading this correctly that it’s a backhaul and omni antenna in
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[AFMUG] 3000 MicroPOP AP

[Andy Trimmell]

So am I reading this correctly that it's a backhaul and omni antenna in
one?

 

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/epmp/epmp-mp-3000-micropop-fixe
d-wireless-access-point/
 

 

 

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