Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

[Ken Hohhof]

Supposedly this is a clone of McDonalds special sauce:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Secret-Sauce-for-Burgers-Dipping-12-fl-oz/757318378

 

The photo looks like fry sauce to me.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:23 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

You’re going to kill Adam over cookies?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

As Jean-Luc says, "Make it so."

 

bp


On 12/21/2020 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I always thought Hydrox was some cheap imitation, but it turns out they came 
first and Oreo is the copy. 

Oreo is better though.  I will die on this hill.

 

On 12/21/2020 1:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could always use Hydrox instead of Oreos. That would be a better cookie as 
well.

 

bp


On 12/21/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

How could you make one yourself?  You would need a hamburger bun, spam, oreos, 
and mayonnaise.  Where would you possibly acquire such things?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Cc: Chuck McCown   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

I may have to make one.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:25 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT - McDonalds Oreo Spam burger

 

Here you go, Chuck.  Unfortunately you’ll have to travel to China to get it.  
And it’s today only.

 

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1339875467302735872


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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

s=station o=office

Some ATA's have 'paging mode' which I think is for this application...  not
sure how they 'sieze' the line though...

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 5:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> This thing will appear as a pots line.  You could connect a telephone to
> it and talk over it.  You will need the opposite of a normal ata.  I don’t
> remember if it is the fxs or fxo version.  I think fxs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >
> > So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in
> High School
> >
> > Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone
> system over to VoIP.
> >
> > I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf
> >
> > It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any
> Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug into
> it?  Or is this something special?
> >
> > There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page
> Ring'  And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2
> wires that would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?
> >
> > Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

[Ken Hohhof]

Closest I've come is a customer whose phone system (Toshiba?) died and I
replaced it with a Grandstream UCM and VoIP phones, but they had an outdoor
paging system with a Valcom amplified horn speaker.  I used one of these:

https://www.cyberdata.net/collections/sip/products/011324

Very expensive.  But it works.

You want it to auto answer the call and put it over the speaker.  If they
have music, it should pre-empt the music.  I think it also has a "night
ringer" feature, this customer doesn't use that.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Charles Boening
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 6:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

I think this is what we used to interface with an old key system that had a
line in input.  I think Viking has something similar.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/745342-REG/Bogen_Communications_TAMB2
_TAMB2_Telephone_Access_Module.html

http://www.bogen.com/products/pdfs/telephonepagepdfs/TAMB2s.pdf


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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

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So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in High
School

Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone
system over to VoIP.

I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf

It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any
Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug into
it?  Or is this something special?

There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page Ring'
And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2 wires that
would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?

Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?


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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

[Chuck McCown via AF]

This thing will appear as a pots line.  You could connect a telephone to it and 
talk over it.  You will need the opposite of a normal ata.  I don’t remember if 
it is the fxs or fxo version.  I think fxs.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in High 
> School
> 
> Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone system 
> over to VoIP.
> 
> I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf
> 
> It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any 
> Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug into 
> it?  Or is this something special?
> 
> There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page Ring'  
> And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2 wires that 
> would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?
> 
> Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

[Charles Boening]

I think this is what we used to interface with an old key system that had a 
line in input.  I think Viking has something similar.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/745342-REG/Bogen_Communications_TAMB2_TAMB2_Telephone_Access_Module.html

http://www.bogen.com/products/pdfs/telephonepagepdfs/TAMB2s.pdf


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question

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So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in High 
School

Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone system 
over to VoIP.

I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf

It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any 
Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug into it?  
Or is this something special?

There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page Ring'  
And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2 wires that 
would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?

Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?


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[AFMUG] Old Phone Question

[Nate Burke]

So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in 
High School


Valcom V-2001 paging system.  I'm looking to convert the driving phone 
system over to VoIP.


I've found the manual here.  https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf

It references terms I'm not familiar with.  It says 'Compatible with Any 
Electronic Key or PABX'  Does that mean that I can use an ATA to plug 
into it?  Or is this something special?


There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page 
Ring'  And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires)  I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the 2 
wires that would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing?


Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before?


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[AFMUG] OT - Bartman

[Ken Hohhof]

Saw a news article about a Bruce Bartman who voted illegally as an act of
"civil disobedience".

 

Like many in Chicago, all I could think of was the hated Steve Bartman.  I
wonder if they are related.

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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

That’s a consideration thanks Bill

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 14:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some sort of strong 
> arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get fairly robust schedule 40 
> pipe in 28' lengths around here. That would allow you to brace 2/3 of the way 
> or so. With a strong arm, it would brace both in compression and extension.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House wrote:
>> Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
>> service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot 
>> into it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true self-supporter? 
>>>  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>>>  
>>> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way 
>>> taller 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
>>> guy it properly?
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>>> How is it unstable?
>>>  does it wobble?
>>> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>>> 
>>> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
>>> middle bottom.
>>> more if needed
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
>>> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
>>> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  
>>> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
>>> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>>>  
>>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
>>> not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
>>> design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
>>> some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
>>> the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
>>> but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
>>> that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
>>> the concrete.  Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you only have 2 sides where you can get any distance, some
  sort of strong arm with a pipe to those two sides. You can get
  fairly robust schedule 40 pipe in 28' lengths around here. That
  would allow you to brace 2/3 of the way or so. With a strong arm,
  it would brace both in compression and extension.


bp

On 12/22/2020 9:38 AM, Craig House
  wrote:


  
  Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to
  get him service which is not going to make me money back if I have
  to put  a lot into it
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
I assume the budget does not allow
  replacing it with a true self-supporter?  Like a Rohn SSV,
  or I think Trylon makes some.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Craig
  House
  Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed
  tower
  

 
Moving is
  not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going
  way taller 

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On Dec
  22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie 
  wrote:
  


  


  Is the owner willing to move the
tower in from the property line enough to guy it
properly?

 

  
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM
  dave 
  wrote:
  
  

  How
is it unstable?
 does it wobble?
or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?

Most of that can be contained by just adding
braces between the legs top middle bottom.
more if needed
  
 

  

  
  
On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam
  Moffett wrote:
  
  
On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk
  guys" in tight places.  The wire goes to an
  arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on
  the pole wants to pull straight up on the
  anchor so you get an auger in real deep. 
  Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
 
 


  On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM,
Craig House wrote:


  The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
   
  I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?
  




  
  
  
   

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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Lewis Bergman]

The "sidewalk guy" method seems to be your only reasonable solution. I
would definitely reinforce the tower across the face at the point marked
"R" in the drawing as those towers are not designed to have that kind of
lateral force applied to a small point. If you used strut or angle iron
(both widely available galvanized) across the face and bolted them all
together at the ends of the strut where they connect you could carry most
of the extra force without impacting the tower at all.
Something like this would do:
60 degree strut bracket

3 of those connecting the ends would transfer the load to the bracing
itself. You could then affix point R (tower end of the strut) with a a
couple of 90's to spread the load a bit wider on the strut.

Seems like a lot of work but if you need to get the link stable and can't
put a bigger tower I guess it might do.

I usually stick a 3 foot face tower in on something like this but I have a
bunch laying about.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 11:39 AM Craig House 
wrote:

> Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him
> service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot
> into it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true
> self-supporter?  Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>
>
>
> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way
> taller
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to
> guy it properly?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>
> How is it unstable?
>  does it wobble?
> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>
> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top
> middle bottom.
> more if needed
>
>
>
> 
>
> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The
> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole
> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.
> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Fig. 1- Structure Configuretion and]
>
> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>
>
>
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for 
> some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind 
> of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more 
> rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of 
> the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth 
> the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just 
> doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UniFI 6 AP

[Darin Steffl]

I consider every Ubnt product to be beta with no assurance they won't
end-of-life it sooner than you want.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 12:00 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Do you really think any product of Ubnt is going to have a different
> experience than the past dozen generations or examples?
>
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> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 11:51 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] UniFI 6 AP

[Josh Luthman]

Do you really think any product of Ubnt is going to have a different
experience than the past dozen generations or examples?

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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Yeah not really this is an attempt to use what he already has to get him 
service which is not going to make me money back if I have to put  a lot into it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 09:49, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true self-supporter?  
> Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
>  
> Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way taller 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
> guy it properly?
>  
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
> How is it unstable?
>  does it wobble?
> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
> 
> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
> middle bottom.
> more if needed
> 
>  
> 
> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole wants 
> to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  Could 
> you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>  
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for 
> some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind 
> of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more 
> rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of 
> the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth 
> the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just 
> doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[AFMUG] UniFI 6 AP

[Seth Mattinen]

Is there any reason not to use the new UniFi 6 access points now? Or is 
the first gen of these likely to suffer the fate of the square AC AP?


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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume the budget does not allow replacing it with a true self-supporter?  
Like a Rohn SSV, or I think Trylon makes some.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

 

Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way taller 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to guy 
it properly?

 

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

How is it unstable?
 does it wobble?
or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?

Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top middle 
bottom.
more if needed

 



On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The wire 
goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole wants to pull 
straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  Could you put an 
auger in adjacent to the pad?

 

 

  

 

On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:

The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
 
I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 degree 
angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to make it more 
stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for some time.  
Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it 
is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design where all three legs 
were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the 
middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it 
keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from 
the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe 
could move out 3' from the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than 
attaching to the base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?









 

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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Craig House]

Moving is not an option. No LOS from any other spot without going way taller 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 08:49, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to 
> guy it properly?
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:
>> How is it unstable?
>>  does it wobble?
>> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>> 
>> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
>> middle bottom.
>> more if needed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The 
>>> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole 
>>> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.  
>>> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
 The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
 tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
 
 I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
 degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
 neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
 make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
 for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is 
 not about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire 
 design where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using 
 some kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make 
 the tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
 unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might 
 help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base 
 but that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just 
 above the concrete.  Thoughts?
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Josh Baird]

Fair enough.  But, I have quad port x710's in many ESXi hosts (running CHR
and otherwise) - and they are completely fine.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 8:58 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I've been warned away from using the quad cards and speaking from
> experience I myself have used quad ethernet cards with x86 mikrotiks in the
> past with little success.   All sorts of funky issues.
>
> I understand clearly we can use vlans and such in ESXI but I'm talking the
> pure amount of traffic I'll need will be beyond the demands the bus on the
> motherboard will be able to handle.  I guess I really need to look at the
> specs.  I know PCI Express V6 can do over 100Gbps.  But I'll prob use a
> couple off lease Dells in its own routing cluster.
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 21, 2020 4:03:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>
> The x710 has 4 SFP+ ports.  You don't necessarily need dedicated physical
> interfaces for each router either.  Our CHR boxes have a single x710 and
> several instances of CHR "sharing" the physical interfaces.  We use ESXi
> with a virtual switch trunking VLANs to the CHR instances.
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Right those are 2x though for a total of 4 ports.  I need more than that,
>> especially if I want to run more than one router on these.
>>
>> Might even consider to see if there is any support for 40Gbps cards or
>> whether a server's bus can handle those speeds with a card.  I can
>> aggregate different devices on a switch instead.
>>
>> [image: logo] 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 21, 2020 3:34:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>>
>> 2x Intel x710.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 2:22 PM Steven Kenney 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've considered this too as a temporary measure because I can get some
>>> off lease well maintained Dell servers for peanuts.  Problem is finding the
>>> right cards when you need 8 sfp+ ports.
>>>
>>> [image: logo] 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>>> Leamington ON
>>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>>> W: www.wavedirect.net
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>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 21, 2020 12:41:53 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>>>
>>> We just bought 5x brand new 1072s and they are rebooting by watchdog.
>>> Upgraded ros and firmware, Disabled watchdog and then they hard freeze and
>>> require a reboot.
>>>
>>> We are going chr route. 1072 is junk.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 9:34 AM Dennis Burgess 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hate to say it, but worked.  Keep in mind that these units that we have
 had this issue had been running for 3+ years, so, it was out of warranty
 anyways.





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 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Baird
 *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations



 Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT.







 On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:

 Get a new one.  That’s what we did, replaced it and the is

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[fiberrun]

In case the use case for connection tracking is NAT, keep in mind that there 
are now a few scalable (N x 10G) software routers that support (CG)NAT, both 
open source and commercial.
 
 
Jared
 

Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 
From: "Steven Kenney" 
To: "af" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years.  Until this year and the 1072's. 
 Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's.  Some more than 
others.  Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem exactly.  Its a 
connection tracking issue.. however I need connection tracking on one 
particular router.  I've adjusted everything I could.  Firmware and board 
firmware all up to date etc.  Happens randomly with low levels of traffic,  
high levels of traffic,  sometimes a couple times a day,  sometimes weeks.  No 
DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers.  Configs checked and rechecked by 
third party experts.  I graph everything about the Mikrotik and there are no 
clues or anything abnormal happening before the crash.  Plenty of memory, disk 
space,  CPU etc.    Replaces all the trannies, power cables and such.  Not 
running BGP only OSPF on the one that is giving me the most trouble.  
 
Even have a serial console cable plugged into them to my opengear and set it to 
log pretty much everything to console including the kernel and nothing.  A hard 
freeze.  
 
Then there is Mikrotik support...  I've never needed their support before until 
now.  So I put a ticket in and the shitty attitude I'm getting from them seems 
like they KNOW there is something wrong with the hardware and they are 
intentionally not being helpful.  It is pretty clear to see with all the people 
reporting this issue that there IS an issue.   
 
If this is any indication of how things are going to go with Mikrotik on the 
newer hardware going forware I think its time to jump to an enterprise level 
system.  Juniper most likely.  Shame because they are just about keeping up 
with the demands with their hardware.  Getting closer to 100Gbps etc and ROS7 
... but at their current pace I think we've outgrew them.  
 
All the threads discussing this issue has been absolutely quiet when it comes 
to Mikrotik jumping in to mention or try to help troubleshoot.  I think they 
know they had bad hardware out there and do not want to honor warranties.  I've 
heard rumors of bad batches of 1072's.  
 
Anyone else encounter this?   
 
 
 

 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations


Steven,

As always with Mikrotik, I think it depends on what you are doing.  I am using hot lava quads in two older MAXXWAVE routers.  one port is BGP 10G upstream, one port is 10G to my main switch and one port is used for iBGP between the two bgp routers.  I have seen this router push 8G of traffic with no issues.  I had to do some fine tuning, but it works.

Would I try pushing 10G of traffic though all 4 quads ports at the same time.  Probably not.

Haven't messed with the CHR stuff in a high traffic environment yet.  Working on getting a third upstream.  May attempt a CHR on a dell server for that being I will have the luxury of depending on that router if some goes south.


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I've been warned away from using the quad cards and speaking from experience I myself have used quad ethernet cards with x86 mikrotiks in the past with little success.   All sorts of funky issues.  

I understand clearly we can use vlans and such in ESXI but I'm talking the pure amount of traffic I'll need will be beyond the demands the bus on the motherboard will be able to handle.  I guess I really need to look at the specs.  I know PCI Express V6 can do over 100Gbps.  But I'll prob use a couple off lease Dells in its own routing cluster.  




         
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E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net



From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:03:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

The x710 has 4 SFP+ ports.  You don't necessarily need dedicated physical interfaces for each router either.  Our CHR boxes have a single x710 and several instances of CHR "sharing" the physical interfaces.  We use ESXi with a virtual switch trunking VLANs to the CHR instances.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:




Right those are 2x though for a total of 4 ports.  I need more than that, especially if I want to run more than one router on these.  

Might even consider to see if there is any support for 40Gbps cards or whether a server's bus can handle those speeds with a card.  I can aggregate different devices on a switch instead.  




         
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net



From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

2x Intel x710.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 2:22 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:




I've considered this too as a temporary measure because I can get some off lease well maintained Dell servers for peanuts.  Problem is finding the right cards when you need 8 sfp+ ports.  




         
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DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net



From: "TJ Trout" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:41:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

We just bought 5x brand new 1072s and they are rebooting by watchdog. Upgraded ros and firmware, Disabled watchdog and then they hard freeze and require a reboot. 

We are going chr route. 1072 is junk. 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 9:34 AM Dennis Burgess  wrote:




Hate to say it, but worked.  Keep in mind that these units that we have had this issue had been running for 3+ years, so, it was out of warranty anyways.  
 
 
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified 
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
 
Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT.
 
 
 
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess  wrote:




Get a new one.  That’s what we did, replaced it and the issue went away.  Its like the 1072 has some kind of bug, or maybe a leaky cap, that eventually causes them to do this.  No matter of fiddling fixes it, we swapped out the unit and have not have the same issue since.  We have 1072s running 15gig inbound without issues.  So, while  I do attest that this is a MT (rather routeros) issue, we don’t have any data to know where it is unless the manufacture can tell us.  So

Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Sam Lambie]

Is the owner willing to move the tower in from the property line enough to
guy it properly?

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM dave  wrote:

> How is it unstable?
>  does it wobble?
> or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?
>
> Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top
> middle bottom.
> more if needed
>
>
> On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  The
> wire goes to an arm and then straight down.  Lateral force on the pole
> wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in real deep.
> Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?
>
>
>
> [image: Fig. 1- Structure Configuretion and]
> On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:
>
> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>
> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for 
> some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind 
> of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more 
> rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of 
> the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth 
> the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but that angle just 
> doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above the concrete.  
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[dave]

How is it unstable?
 does it wobble?
or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?

Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
middle bottom.

more if needed


On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  
The wire goes to an arm and then straight down. Lateral force on the 
pole wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in 
real deep.  Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?




Fig. 1- Structure Configuretion and

On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:

The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up

I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 degree 
angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to make it more 
stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for some time.  
Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it 
is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design where all three legs 
were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the 
middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it 
keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from 
the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe 
could move out 3' from the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than 
attaching to the base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?





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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Ken Hohhof]

If he just had it at the side of the yard instead of in a corner, you might be 
able to do a variation on how torque arms are guyed.

If I remember correctly, they establish guy points in between the tower legs 
and you then attach guy wires to 2 guy anchors.  The aim being to keep the 
tower from twisting.  But you could also use this strategy to replace a single 
guy wire with two guy wires at +/- 60 degrees from that angle.  That might help 
a little with a single property line, but not a corner.

I assume torque arm guys also experience more tension because they are pulling 
against each other and not just against the tower.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

I think I would do your triple guy wire and strut but I would move the bottom 
anchors out as far as possible.  I have seen horizontal structural beams that 
use that same design,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the link 
> stable.  Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the tower.  
> So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align.  I'm always about 
> trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this.  I like the 
> engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> 
> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault 
> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do 
> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not 
>> the tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>> 
>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
>> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
>> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some 
>> kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the 
>> tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
>> but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
>> that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
>> the concrete.  Thoughts?--
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Steven Kenney]

I've been warned away from using the quad cards and speaking from experience I 
myself have used quad ethernet cards with x86 mikrotiks in the past with little 
success. All sorts of funky issues. 

I understand clearly we can use vlans and such in ESXI but I'm talking the pure 
amount of traffic I'll need will be beyond the demands the bus on the 
motherboard will be able to handle. I guess I really need to look at the specs. 
I know PCI Express V6 can do over 100Gbps. But I'll prob use a couple off lease 
Dells in its own routing cluster. 

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From: "Josh Baird"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:03:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 

The x710 has 4 SFP+ ports. You don't necessarily need dedicated physical 
interfaces for each router either. Our CHR boxes have a single x710 and several 
instances of CHR "sharing" the physical interfaces. We use ESXi with a virtual 
switch trunking VLANs to the CHR instances. 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



Right those are 2x though for a total of 4 ports. I need more than that, 
especially if I want to run more than one router on these. 

Might even consider to see if there is any support for 40Gbps cards or whether 
a server's bus can handle those speeds with a card. I can aggregate different 
devices on a switch instead. 

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W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "Josh Baird" < [ mailto:joshba...@gmail.com | joshba...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:34:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 

2x Intel x710. 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 2:22 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

I've considered this too as a temporary measure because I can get some off 
lease well maintained Dell servers for peanuts. Problem is finding the right 
cards when you need 8 sfp+ ports. 

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E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "TJ Trout" < [ mailto:t...@voltbb.com | t...@voltbb.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:41:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 

We just bought 5x brand new 1072s and they are rebooting by watchdog. Upgraded 
ros and firmware, Disabled watchdog and then they hard freeze and require a 
reboot. 

We are going chr route. 1072 is junk. 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 9:34 AM Dennis Burgess < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net 
| dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Hate to say it, but worked. Keep in mind that these units that we have had this 
issue had been running for 3+ years, so, it was out of warranty anyways. 







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From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 




Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT. 











On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess < [ 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmb

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Steven Kenney]

Well we replaced it alrighty.. and Mikrotik support basically said to RMA it. 
Which means RMA'ing 3 of them. I'll see if it the newer hardware fixes it 
though! 

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From: "Dennis Burgess"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:45:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 



In our instance we did not have connection tracking on, and it was rebooting. 
Replacement solved the issue after a backup and restore. 








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From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 2:40 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 




Not fixed yet as far as I know. 



When I sent in info to Mikrotik on my crash 1072 they admitted it was something 
to do with connection tracking. 



So what I’ve done and am doing, is moving all CGNAT/Connection tracking off of 
the 1072’s in my network and moving that to a 1036 or CHR. 








From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:02 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 




You mean the 1072 issue, or the 1100AHx4 issue? 




From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:16 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 





I think that was found and solved recently. 




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From: "Ken Hohhof" < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:09:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 

I think that was their answer on some 1100AHx4 units that would spontaneously 
and silently reboot. Basically hope it was a bad batch, and the replacement 
wasn’t from the same batch. Unfortunately in our case, we will often buy spares 
at the same time. 






From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations 





Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT. 











On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess < [ 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > wrote: 





Get a new one. That’s what we did, replaced it and the issue went away. Its 
like the 1072 has some kind of bug, or maybe a leaky cap, that eventually 
causes them to do this. No matter of fiddling fixes it, we swapped out the unit 
and have not have the same issue since. We have 1072s running 15gig inbound 
without issues. So, while I do attest that this is a MT (rather routeros) 
issue, we don’t have any data to know where it is unless the manufacture can 
tell us. So far they are tight lipped. 








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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I think I would do your triple guy wire and strut but I would move the bottom 
anchors out as far as possible.  I have seen horizontal structural beams that 
use that same design,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Its not about comfort on the tower as much as it is trying to keep the link 
> stable.  Plus it is a pain to align since turning a wrench moves the tower.  
> So AF24 and and MM wave gear is near impossible to align.  I'm always about 
> trying to figure out a way to resolve something like this.  I like the 
> engineering challenge but this one has me a bit baffled.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:42:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower
> 
> Just make him rent a lift when you need to service it. Not your fault
> he build a sketchy tower. I think your proposed guy wires would do
> little improve climber comfort and zero to improve actual safety.
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:20 PM Craig House  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the 
>> tower in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up
>> 
>> I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 
>> degree angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the 
>> neighbor is not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to 
>> make it more stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there 
>> for some time.  Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not 
>> about how solid it is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design 
>> where all three legs were guyed back to the base of the tower using some 
>> kind of stand off in the middle do anything?  I think it might make the 
>> tower more rigid but would it keep it from swaying?  Since some of the 
>> unstableness of the tower comes from the joints it seems like it might help 
>> but is it worth the effort?  I maybe could move out 3' from the base but 
>> that angle just doesn't do much more than attaching to the base just above 
>> the concrete.  Thoughts?--
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