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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/12/21 3:37 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Oh, yeah usenet.  Is it still a thing?



There's still Giganews, probably a few others.

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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

This just seems like a weird hill to be the one you choose to die on. It
seems to be a lot of work with more negative payout than positve.

But then again, dicks out for harambe was a real thing. Not much is
suprising

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 6:03 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Initially, they did it across the board, but then they rolled that back.
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> Not sure if anyone actually read the article, but it is an opt in/out.
> They are not blocking it for all of their customers, just the ones who
> request them to be blocked. I think it is more of a publicity thing than
> anything.
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:29 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
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>> On 1/12/21 12:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Blocking pornhub would be right up there.
>> >
>> > Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without
>> > facebook, netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day
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>> Back in my tech support days, every time the NNTP server hiccuped at
>> night there was a guy that would call in like almost immediately about
>> it every time. Yeah it was for porn.
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett

Initially, they did it across the board, but then they rolled that back. 

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- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 5:22:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network. 

Not sure if anyone actually read the article, but it is an opt in/out. They are 
not blocking it for all of their customers, just the ones who request them to 
be blocked. I think it is more of a publicity thing than anything. 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:29 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 

On 1/12/21 12:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 
> Blocking pornhub would be right up there. 
> 
> Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without 
> facebook, netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day 

Back in my tech support days, every time the NNTP server hiccuped at 
night there was a guy that would call in like almost immediately about 
it every time. Yeah it was for porn. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett

Yeah, MadIX doesn't have much going on. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 4:08:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network. 


I never bothered to try and figure it out either, but we have a connection to a 
local IX, which I think is mostly Netflix traffic (I think Akamai is also on 
there, but that's about all that's likely to be doing much), and that appears 
to be accounting for roughly 30% of our overall bandwidth, so I'd tend to 
agree. 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 






I wonder that the ratios are. I would think Netflix would be more than the 
other two. But I have never bothered to try to figure it out. 




From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:08 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network. 


Blocking pornhub would be right up there. 

Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without facebook, 
netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day 


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:04 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to me. The 
only thing I can think of that might make your customers even happier, would be 
to block Netflix! 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do 
however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do this. 
if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because new leases 
dont just pop up out of thin air 


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 



I believe the historically correct version of this is: 

"I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]” 

The question is who started it? It was originally on the Part-15 list. Chuck?, 
Ken? I can’t recall. 

Mark 







On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 


I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support them 
doing this. 


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 






So you block stuff I like, I block you completely. That’s gonna make a lot of 
friends. 
Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself. 




From: Tim Withrow via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM 
To: AF@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: [AFMUG] Historical network. 


I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
 
https://www.yourt1wifi.com/ 


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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Oh, yeah usenet.  Is it still a thing?

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 3:28 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network. 

On 1/12/21 12:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Blocking pornhub would be right up there.

Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without 
facebook, netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day

Back in my tech support days, every time the NNTP server hiccuped at 
night there was a guy that would call in like almost immediately about 
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Cameron Crum

Not sure if anyone actually read the article, but it is an opt in/out. They
are not blocking it for all of their customers, just the ones who request
them to be blocked. I think it is more of a publicity thing than anything.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:29 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/12/21 12:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Blocking pornhub would be right up there.
> >
> > Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without
> > facebook, netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/12/21 12:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Blocking pornhub would be right up there.

Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without 
facebook, netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day



Back in my tech support days, every time the NNTP server hiccuped at 
night there was a guy that would call in like almost immediately about 
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mathew Howard

I never bothered to try and figure it out either, but we have a connection
to a local IX, which I think is mostly Netflix traffic (I think Akamai is
also on there, but that's about all that's likely to be doing much), and
that appears to be accounting for roughly 30% of our overall bandwidth, so
I'd tend to agree.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I wonder that the ratios are.  I would think Netflix would be more than
> the other two.  But I have never bothered to try to figure it out.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.
>
> Blocking pornhub would be right up there.
>
> Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without facebook,
> netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:04 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to
>> me. The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even
>> happier, would be to block Netflix!
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do
>>> however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do
>>> this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because
>>> new leases dont just pop up out of thin air
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 I believe the historically correct version of this is:

 "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”

 The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15
 list.   Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.

 Mark



 On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully
 support them doing this.

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make
> a lot of friends.
> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
>
> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.
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>
> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
> looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
> Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.
>
> https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread dave



The E50x series is a great outdoor/industrial solution.
We have just added the Micropop to our tool box as well.

On 1/12/21 12:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Im really digginng the coverage on the cnpilot e410, you can ho with 
outdoor higher power like i run at my house. Pretty much the whole 
cnpilot series is good, cambium also has another company they carry 
that looks like it scales better.
For what you get theyre relatively cheap and they always have some 
promotion or another to buy one get one.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:44 PM Cassidy B. Larson > wrote:


I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US. 
We’ve had good luck with them over the other models.  See if that
gets better coverage than what he’s getting on the pros?


On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about
100 unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better
solution.
I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good
stuff but there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using
Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.
What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs,
stronger more reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Robert


Block Amazon and AWS and save your customers money at the same time!!

On 1/12/21 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to 
me. The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even 
happier, would be to block Netflix!


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would
use. I do however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to
immediately do this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a
little notice because new leases dont just pop up out of thin air

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

I believe the historically correct version of this is:

"I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”

The question is who started it?   It was originally on the
Part-15 list.   Chuck?, Ken?    I can’t recall.

Mark




On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I
fully support them doing this.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

So you block stuff I like, I block you completely. 
That’s gonna make a lot of friends.
Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
*From:* Tim Withrow via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
*To:* AF@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Tim Withrow
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.

I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but
this certainly looks like a very Historical Network with
quite a decent coverage area in Northern Idaho and
Eastern Washington.

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb




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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Jaime Solorza

Strongest signal penetration I have experienced in crowded warehouse with
lots of interference are the newer UniFi dual band models.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 11:54 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I think Bill means Ruckus.
>
> If it were me, I'd call up Cambium and see what Xirrus has to offer.  Or
> maybe just simply some e410 (they work great at hotels, vacation homes,
> office, home, etc).
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
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>> My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use Rukus,
>> but I'm sure there are other solutions.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
>> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>>
>> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
>> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
>> shows.
>>
>> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
>> reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Darin Steffl

In somewhat large spaces that are open, if they want long range for few
devices, less AP's at normal or high power level is better. Ruckus is king
of coverage and density. Without knowing what's in the warehouse, it sounds
like 100 AP's would cause a lot of interference and too much airtime usage
for beacons. I would cut that down to 25 AP's if possible and do some
channel planning.

If they have a very large space and need lots of devices connected, then
more AP's at low power level is better. Preferably 2.4ghz is turned off on
all of them so they can use more clean channels on 5ghz if their devices
support it.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:56 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What problem is he trying to solve?
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 12:05:41 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Warehouse APs
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> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

Its probably at least 3:120 ph to netflix

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I wonder that the ratios are.  I would think Netflix would be more than
> the other two.  But I have never bothered to try to figure it out.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.
>
> Blocking pornhub would be right up there.
>
> Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without facebook,
> netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:04 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to
>> me. The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even
>> happier, would be to block Netflix!
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do
>>> however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do
>>> this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because
>>> new leases dont just pop up out of thin air
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 I believe the historically correct version of this is:

 "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”

 The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15
 list.   Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.

 Mark



 On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully
 support them doing this.

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make
> a lot of friends.
> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
>
> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.
>
>
> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
> looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
> Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

I wonder that the ratios are.  I would think Netflix would be more than the 
other two.  But I have never bothered to try to figure it out.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

Blocking pornhub would be right up there. 

Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without facebook, 
netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:04 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to me. 
The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even happier, 
would be to block Netflix!

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do 
however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do this. 
if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because new leases 
dont just pop up out of thin air

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  I believe the historically correct version of this is: 

  "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”

  The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15 list.  
 Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.

  Mark

On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully 
support them doing this. 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make 
a lot of friends.  
  Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.  

  From: Tim Withrow via AF 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
  To: AF@af.afmug.com 
  Cc: Tim Withrow 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Historical network.

  I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this 
certainly looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage 
area in Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington. 

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb

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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

Blocking pornhub would be right up there.

Can you imagine how mucb further your bandwidrh would go without facebook,
netflix and pornhub traffic. Joyous day

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:04 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to me.
> The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even happier,
> would be to block Netflix!
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do
>> however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do
>> this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because
>> new leases dont just pop up out of thin air
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the historically correct version of this is:
>>>
>>> "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”
>>>
>>> The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15 list.
>>>   Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support
>>> them doing this.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a
 lot of friends.
 Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.

 *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
 *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
 *Cc:* Tim Withrow
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.


 I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
 looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
 Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.

 https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb

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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mathew Howard

Blocking FaceBook really sounds like an excellent business decision to me.
The only thing I can think of that might make your customers even happier,
would be to block Netflix!

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do
> however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do
> this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because
> new leases dont just pop up out of thin air
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I believe the historically correct version of this is:
>>
>> "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”
>>
>> The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15 list.
>>   Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support
>> them doing this.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a
>>> lot of friends.
>>> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
>>>
>>> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
>>> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
>>> looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
>>> Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.
>>>
>>> https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
>>>
>>> https://www.yourt1wifi.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

if theyre willing to do this, competitor isnt the term i would use. I do
however encourage anyone within my networks footprint to immediately do
this. if its fringe to my footprint I would like a little notice because
new leases dont just pop up out of thin air

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I believe the historically correct version of this is:
>
> "I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”
>
> The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15 list.
> Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support
> them doing this.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a
>> lot of friends.
>> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
>>
>> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
>> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.
>>
>>
>> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
>> looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
>> Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.
>>
>> https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
>>
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[AFMUG] OT: (but not exactly): I wondered what the Russkies (and China) were going to do about this

2021-01-12 Thread Bill Prince




Why should only the western world have to deal with rampant 
misinformation and disinformation?


https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/russia-may-fine-citizens-who-use-spacexs-starlink-internet-service/ 



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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, in this case, it's easy to access, and I needed to get it online
quick, so I just threw what I had on there. If it was a difficult site to
access, I wouldn't do that.

Once you get up to a certain size of system, it probably is going to make
sense to go the generator route with smaller batteries. Those batteries are
eventually going to need to be replaced, and the difference might pay for a
generator, and give you better reliability.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> To me, it all depends on accessibility.  If you can get there with a
> generator you can make do with smaller batts.  Better yet put in a small
> propane powered generator with either a low voltage relay for starting or
> telemetry for starting.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 12:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP
>
> Since we're talking about a relatively small system, I would base whether
> to do a 24v or 48v system on what the majority of the load is going to be.
> If it's going to be like 70% 24v gear, I'd go with 24v, but otherwise, I'd
> probably lean towards 48v.
>
> Bill's numbers look about right for what you'd want for a system that you
> aren't going to need to worry about. If you're not opposed to the risk of
> maybe occasionally needing to go out and swap out some batteries in the
> middle of winter, and that sort of thing, it's possible to do it with a
> smaller system. We have a micropop with a roughly 10-12 watt load running
> on 200 watts of solar panel and ~5KWH of lead acid batteries (that happened
> to be what I had on hand at the time... there wasn't any logic involved in
> picking that size)... so far it seems to be surviving the Wisconsin winter.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy
>> usage per day (50*24).
>>
>> We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in
>> whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of
>> thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of
>> operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage.
>> If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.
>>
>> Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two
>> days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically
>> expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).
>>
>> A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires,
>> and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.
>>
>> Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you
>> might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability
>> > to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source.
>> > I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty
>> > of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from
>> > those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.
>> >
>> > DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so
>> > would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or
>> > 24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v
>> > storage systems?
>> >
>> > I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm
>> > currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios
>> > combined should be ~ 30w.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dave B.
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

To me, it all depends on accessibility.  If you can get there with a generator 
you can make do with smaller batts.  Better yet put in a small propane powered 
generator with either a low voltage relay for starting or telemetry for 
starting.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

Since we're talking about a relatively small system, I would base whether to do 
a 24v or 48v system on what the majority of the load is going to be. If it's 
going to be like 70% 24v gear, I'd go with 24v, but otherwise, I'd probably 
lean towards 48v.

Bill's numbers look about right for what you'd want for a system that you 
aren't going to need to worry about. If you're not opposed to the risk of maybe 
occasionally needing to go out and swap out some batteries in the middle of 
winter, and that sort of thing, it's possible to do it with a smaller system. 
We have a micropop with a roughly 10-12 watt load running on 200 watts of solar 
panel and ~5KWH of lead acid batteries (that happened to be what I had on hand 
at the time... there wasn't any logic involved in picking that size)... so far 
it seems to be surviving the Wisconsin winter.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy 
  usage per day (50*24).

  We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in 
  whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of 
  thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of 
  operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage. 
  If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.

  Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two 
  days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically 
  expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).

  A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires, 
  and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.

  Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you 
  might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.

  bp

  On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  >
  > I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability 
  > to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source. 
  > I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty 
  > of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from 
  > those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.
  >
  > DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so 
  > would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or 
  > 24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v 
  > storage systems?
  >
  > I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm 
  > currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios 
  > combined should be ~ 30w.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Dave B.
  >

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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Assuming a hard to get to place, higher latitude with a real winter, I would 
say:


1000W of panel.  (20X load)
16 kWh storage.  (14 days autonomy)

So right in line with Bill's recommendation.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 11:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy
usage per day (50*24).

We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in
whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of
thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of
operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage.
If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.

Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two
days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically
expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).

A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires,
and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.

Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you
might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.


bp


On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:


Hi,

I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability to 
deliver temporary service where there's no available power source. I've 
done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty of 
calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from those that 
have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.


DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so would a 
48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or 24v with a 
step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v storage systems?


I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm currently 
sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios combined 
should be ~ 30w.


Thanks,
Dave B.



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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett

I've seen it on NANOG and other fora. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:09:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Historical network. 

I believe the historically correct version of this is: 


"I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]” 


The question is who started it? It was originally on the Part-15 list. Chuck?, 
Ken? I can’t recall. 


Mark 








On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 


I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support them 
doing this. 


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 






So you block stuff I like, I block you completely. That’s gonna make a lot of 
friends. 
Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself. 




From: Tim Withrow via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM 
To: AF@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: [AFMUG] Historical network. 


I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Mathew Howard

Since we're talking about a relatively small system, I would base whether
to do a 24v or 48v system on what the majority of the load is going to be.
If it's going to be like 70% 24v gear, I'd go with 24v, but otherwise, I'd
probably lean towards 48v.

Bill's numbers look about right for what you'd want for a system that you
aren't going to need to worry about. If you're not opposed to the risk of
maybe occasionally needing to go out and swap out some batteries in the
middle of winter, and that sort of thing, it's possible to do it with a
smaller system. We have a micropop with a roughly 10-12 watt load running
on 200 watts of solar panel and ~5KWH of lead acid batteries (that happened
to be what I had on hand at the time... there wasn't any logic involved in
picking that size)... so far it seems to be surviving the Wisconsin winter.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy
> usage per day (50*24).
>
> We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in
> whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of
> thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of
> operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage.
> If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.
>
> Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two
> days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically
> expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).
>
> A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires,
> and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.
>
> Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you
> might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability
> > to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source.
> > I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty
> > of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from
> > those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.
> >
> > DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so
> > would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or
> > 24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v
> > storage systems?
> >
> > I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm
> > currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios
> > combined should be ~ 30w.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave B.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I believe the historically correct version of this is:

"I encourage all of my competitors to do [this]”

The question is who started it?   It was originally on the Part-15 list.   
Chuck?, Ken?I can’t recall.

Mark



> On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support them 
> doing this. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF  > wrote:
> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a lot 
> of friends. 
> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself. 
>  
> From: Tim Withrow via AF <>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: AF@af.afmug.com <>
> Cc: Tim Withrow <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Historical network.
>  
> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
> like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
> Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
> https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

I really wish all the providers around me would do this. I fully support
them doing this.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:51 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a
> lot of friends.
> Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.
>
> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Historical network.
>
>
> I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly
> looks like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in
> Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington.
>
> https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Yeah, solar great, TVWS not so great.  

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 11:55 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP 

If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy 
usage per day (50*24).

We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in 
whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of 
thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of 
operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage. 
If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.

Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two 
days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically 
expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).

A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires, 
and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.

Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you 
might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.

bp

On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:

Hi,

I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability 
to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source. 
I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty 
of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from 
those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.

DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so 
would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or 
24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v 
storage systems?

I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm 
currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios 
combined should be ~ 30w.

Thanks,
Dave B.

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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett

What problem is he trying to solve? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 12:05:41 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs 




I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse. He has about 100 unify AP 
pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution. 

I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there is 
a lot of stuff out there. I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows. 

What might be better. By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more reliable 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread Bill Prince

If your load is 50W, then you need to deal with ~~ 1.2 KWH of energy 
usage per day (50*24).


We don't know your latitude, or location, so you will have to plug in 
whatever solar values are typical for your area. However, a good rule of 
thumb for mid-latitude areas is to have enough battery for 10 days of 
operation without sun. So you will need about 12KWH of battery storage. 
If you're using lead acid batteries, double that for 24KWH of storage.


Then you will need enough solar for you to recover that in one or two 
days. For example, if you have 1200 watts of solar, you can typically 
expect to get back 4.8KWH per day (5 hour day at 80%).


A 48V system would be the most efficient. It will require smaller wires, 
and converting from 48->24 is more efficient than the other way around.


Separately, I would suggest to examine your sanity for thinking you 
might be the only one in the US to make TVWS actually work.



bp


On 1/12/2021 10:42 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:


Hi,

I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability 
to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source. 
I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty 
of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from 
those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.


DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so 
would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v or 
24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v 
storage systems?


I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm 
currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul radios 
combined should be ~ 30w.


Thanks,
Dave B.



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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Josh Luthman

I think Bill means Ruckus.

If it were me, I'd call up Cambium and see what Xirrus has to offer.  Or
maybe just simply some e410 (they work great at hotels, vacation homes,
office, home, etc).

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use Rukus,
> but I'm sure there are other solutions.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
> reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Jones

Im really digginng the coverage on the cnpilot e410, you can ho with
outdoor higher power like i run at my house. Pretty much the whole cnpilot
series is good, cambium also has another company they carry that looks like
it scales better.
For what you get theyre relatively cheap and they always have some
promotion or another to buy one get one.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:44 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US.  We’ve
> had good luck with them over the other models.  See if that gets better
> coverage than what he’s getting on the pros?
>
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US.  We’ve had 
good luck with them over the other models.  See if that gets better coverage 
than what he’s getting on the pros?

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify AP 
> pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
> 
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there 
> is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.
> 
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more 
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[AFMUG] Solar/Battery for Micro-PoP

2021-01-12 Thread D. Bernardi




Hi,

I'm considering some fixed wireless (TVWS) trials and/or the ability 
to deliver temporary service where there's no available power source. 
I've done some basic solar system calculations (and there are plenty 
of calculators) but I'm looking for some real world pointers from 
those that have deployed off-grid micro-PoPs.


DC only, no inverters required. We may need 24v PoE and 48v PoE so 
would a 48v system with step down to 24v be more efficient than 12v 
or 24v with a step up?  Other trade-offs to consider for 12v/24v/48v 
storage systems?


I don't have actual load measurements yet but at this point I'm 
currently sizing for a 50w load.  The base station and backhaul 
radios combined should be ~ 30w.


Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use
  Rukus, but I'm sure there are other solutions.


bp

On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has
about 100 unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a
better solution.  
   
  I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty
good stuff but there is a lot of stuff out there.  I
remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.  
   
  What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs,
stronger more reliable signals etc.  

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] Warehouse APs

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify AP 
pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.  

I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there is 
a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix 803G provisioning

2021-01-12 Thread Carl Peterson

I think I figured it out, or at least got it to work. for Gigacenters I
have always used a tagged match list and Add and Change tag.  For
Gigapoints it seems that you need to use an untagged match rule and Add two
tags.  At least that seems to work.  Guessing that the RG is always tagged
so it matches on tagged traffic, adds an SVLAN and changes the CVLAN while
traffic on the GPs ethernet port is untagged so you need to match that and
then add two tags.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I am just about to start using them.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2021 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Calix 803G provisioning
>
> I'm working on testing out using 803G + Super Pods instead of 844Gs but I
> can't seem to configure the ethernet service from the e7-2.  It seems to
> deploy fine but just doesn't work.
>
> We use two tags.  Service and CVLAN the latter of which is defined in the
> service.
>
> It just doesn't seem to be bridging traffic and he POD isn't getting DHCP
> on from the BNG.  Anyone have service working with 803gs and if so what is
> the deployment model?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT whack a mole

2021-01-12 Thread Robert Andrews


Vax + 1 month...

On 01/12/2021 08:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I wish folks that either had the virus or have been vaccinated would all 
wear a green hat or something.  I would love to see my fedex guy wearing 
the green hat.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 9:22 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT whack a mole

In our family circle we are at 4 deaths from covid now. One of my wife's 
best friend's mother died Sunday night from covid. Getting injured in a 
car accident, or any other incicental injury might become life 
threatening at this point because hospital facilities are getting 
overwhelmed.


bp


On 1/12/2021 8:02 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Utah teachers start getting vax this week.
My teacher daughter tested positive yesterday...  Her kids have coughs 
now...

At least now they can visit after they get over it.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT whack a mole

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

I wish folks that either had the virus or have been vaccinated would all wear a 
green hat or something.  I would love to see my fedex guy wearing the green 
hat.   

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 9:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT whack a mole

In our family circle we are at 4 deaths from covid now. One of my wife's best 
friend's mother died Sunday night from covid. Getting injured in a car 
accident, or any other incicental injury might become life threatening at this 
point because hospital facilities are getting overwhelmed.

bp
On 1/12/2021 8:02 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Utah teachers start getting vax this week.
  My teacher daughter tested positive yesterday...  Her kids have coughs now...

  At least now they can visit after they get over it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT whack a mole

2021-01-12 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
In our family circle we are at 4 deaths from covid now. One of my
  wife's best friend's mother died Sunday night from covid. Getting
  injured in a car accident, or any other incicental injury might
  become life threatening at this point because hospital facilities
  are getting overwhelmed.


bp

On 1/12/2021 8:02 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Utah teachers start getting vax this week.
  My teacher daughter tested positive yesterday...  Her
kids have coughs now...
   
  At least now they can visit after they get over it.

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] OT whack a mole

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

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Re: [AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

So you block stuff I like, I block you completely.  That’s gonna make a lot of 
friends.  
Do I need to invoke Lent already on myself.  

From: Tim Withrow via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:38 AM
To: AF@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: [AFMUG] Historical network.

I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb

https://www.yourt1wifi.com/

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[AFMUG] Historical network.

2021-01-12 Thread Tim Withrow via AF


 I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
 
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager

2021-01-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Yup. 

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 3:56 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Let's just assume you had $250K to park in low-cost stock market index funds 
> and had 20 years to just let it sit there.  
> 
> Let's assume that the stock market return is around 10%/year like has been 
> typical.  
> 
> In 20 years, you would have just under $1.7 million.   And, on average would 
> be returning 170K per year.   This is assuming you just planted it in an 
> index fund and didn't touch it, or add to it, or anything else.   
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 6:57 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> My goal someday is to get to the point that I can live off investments. But 
>> even then I still want to do “something”. 
>> 
>> I see money as a necessary evil to live. But I don’t live for money. 
>> 
 On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:55 PM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Correct assumption. 
>>> 
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:42 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
 
 I'm just going to assume Matt doesn't have 10mil to throw to someone to 
 day trade. You can make 1000 a day pretty easily right now, but be aware 
 of what is happening in the markets.
 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:28 PM Mathew Howard  
> wrote:
> Well, that depends, if you're playing with ten million or so, it probably 
> is
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:37 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>> I think we all know that $1000 per day isn't sustainable.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cameron Crum  
>>> wrote:
>>> I'd say if any money manager plays with your money as often as you do, 
>>> he either has very few clients, doesn't really know what he is doing, 
>>> or is a crook. No good money manager will move your money around that 
>>> much unless they are trying to create fees for themselves. It is just 
>>> too risky and requires too much attention. If you can make 1000 a day, 
>>> I would ask, why are you doing anything else? That is at least 
>>> 22k/month with little overhead but the electricity to run a computer. 
>>> Compounded, that is a pretty nice salary with very little effort. If I 
>>> could make 1000/day every day with no overhead, I wouldn't be doing 
>>> anything but that. 
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:12 PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:
 I got my IRA report and had 17 percent return last year. You can put 
 your money in my ira if you want
 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:09 PM Gino A. Villarini  
> wrote:
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> From: AF 
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:56 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager
> 
> We have a sizeable amount of money sitting in a bank account right. 
> This 
> has been collected from various jobs that were rather ludicrous over 
> the 
> past year.
> 
> There are several options for what we can do with these funds we 
> can 
> let them sit in a bank account until we need them and use them, and 
> then 
> go away.
> 
> Or we can invest them (which I've started doing). However, this is 
> one 
> more thing to add to my plate of things to manage on a daily/weekly 
> basis.
> 
> Through investing in ETFs and purchasing Option Call/Puts I've been 
> able 
> to return about $1,000/day. This isn't consistent - but over a week a 
> gain of several thousand is not out of the question. Even on a market 
> red day like today, our portfolio is up.
> 
> My question is, has anyone here either done it, or considered hiring 
> a 
> full-time person to essentially manage surplus cash and make it print 
> more cash through investing? If done right, I feel like this could 
> potentially finance a lot of future projects we want to build. Of 
> course, hire the wrong person and you lose all that money...
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Re: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager

2021-01-12 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Let's just assume you had $250K to park in low-cost stock market index
funds and had 20 years to just let it sit there.

Let's assume that the stock market return is around 10%/year like has been
typical.

In 20 years, you would have just under $1.7 million.   And, on average
would be returning 170K per year.   This is assuming you just planted it in
an index fund and didn't touch it, or add to it, or anything else.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 6:57 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> My goal someday is to get to the point that I can live off investments.
> But even then I still want to do “something”.
>
> I see money as a necessary evil to live. But I don’t live for money.
>
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> 
> Correct assumption.
>
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:42 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> 
> I'm just going to assume Matt doesn't have 10mil to throw to someone to
> day trade. You can make 1000 a day pretty easily right now, but be aware of
> what is happening in the markets.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:28 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, that depends, if you're playing with ten million or so, it probably
>> is
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:37 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I think we all know that $1000 per day isn't sustainable.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'd say if any money manager plays with your money as often as you do,
 he either has very few clients, doesn't really know what he is doing, or is
 a crook. No good money manager will move your money around that much unless
 they are trying to create fees for themselves. It is just too risky and
 requires too much attention. If you can make 1000 a day, I would ask, why
 are you doing anything else? That is at least 22k/month with little
 overhead but the electricity to run a computer. Compounded, that is a
 pretty nice salary with very little effort. If I could make 1000/day every
 day with no overhead, I wouldn't be doing anything but that.

 On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:12 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> I got my IRA report and had 17 percent return last year. You can put
> your money in my ira if you want
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:09 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Bitcoin?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
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>> 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF 
>> *Date: *Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:56 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager
>>
>> We have a sizeable amount of money sitting in a bank account right.
>> This
>> has been collected from various jobs that were rather ludicrous over
>> the
>> past year.
>>
>> There are several options for what we can do with these funds we
>> can
>> let them sit in a bank account until we need them and use them, and
>> then
>> go away.
>>
>> Or we can invest them (which I've started doing). However, this is
>> one
>> more thing to add to my plate of things to manage on a daily/weekly
>> basis.
>>
>> Through investing in ETFs and purchasing Option Call/Puts I've been
>> able
>> to return about $1,000/day. This isn't consistent - but over a week a
>> gain of several thousand is not out of the question. Even on a market
>> red day like today, our portfolio is up.
>>
>> My question is, has anyone here either done it, or considered hiring
>> a
>> full-time person to essentially manage surplus cash and make it print
>> more cash through investing? If done right, I feel like this could
>> potentially finance a lot of future projects we want to build. Of
>> course, hire the wrong person and you lose all that money...
>>
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