Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Easements can be temporary (e.g. dissolve when ownership
  changes), or they can "run with the land". if they run with the
  land, they are essentially permanent. There are probably other
  arrangements, but I'm not familiar with them.


bp

On 1/25/2021 4:32 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  An easement is forever (i think). A land lease is
not. Find out what the narrowest trackhoe, bucket truck width is
and lease them a path 10 inches less wide. Look at the dick
moves even little guys like us with easements talk about doing
to landowners. Get paid.
  
  
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 3:36 PM
  Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:


  

  
You can make any restrictions in the easement that
  you want.  Of course they don’t have to sign.  

  
 

  From: Dev
  
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 2:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how much is an
easement worth?

  
   

I
  was actually thinking about their ability to sub-lease
  with a 4” conduit, which makes me nervous.
   
  Asking for space on some of their towers might be
a good idea. I still think having a rental vs. them
owning it would be better, though I still don’t know
what to charge for rent.  We’re in an economically
depressed area, so probably lower than Manhattan,
but they can’t really claim they’re a poor
struggling giant company :)

  
On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bill Prince
  
  wrote:
 

  It probably depends on more
factors than we might be able to assess from
our vantage point. Around here, property
values are what most people would consider
"over the top", so translating that to
somewhere else would be problematic. There
would also be the issue of who and/or how
many subscribers they might be able to
access given the availability of the
easement. Another issue would be what kind
of competition would you ge giving them.

   
   
  
 

  

  
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On Mon,
  Jan 25, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dev 
  wrote:

Cell
  company wants one across 700 feet of our
  property to a tower they can’t otherwise
  access to convert to fiber backhaul. I
  suggested drilling some conduit for them.
  They said they wanted 4” conduit. They
  want a quote to buy the easement, I would
  prefer to rent conduit/access, what are
  reasonable prices for either/both (or
  other things I should be aware of)?
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Steve Jones]

An easement is forever (i think). A land lease is not. Find out what the
narrowest trackhoe, bucket truck width is and lease them a path 10 inches
less wide. Look at the dick moves even little guys like us with easements
talk about doing to landowners. Get paid.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 3:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> You can make any restrictions in the easement that you want.  Of course
> they don’t have to sign.
>
> *From:* Dev
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2021 2:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?
>
> I was actually thinking about their ability to sub-lease with a 4”
> conduit, which makes me nervous.
>
> Asking for space on some of their towers might be a good idea. I still
> think having a rental vs. them owning it would be better, though I still
> don’t know what to charge for rent.  We’re in an economically depressed
> area, so probably lower than Manhattan, but they can’t really claim they’re
> a poor struggling giant company :)
>
> On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> It probably depends on more factors than we might be able to assess from
> our vantage point. Around here, property values are what most people would
> consider "over the top", so translating that to somewhere else would be
> problematic. There would also be the issue of who and/or how many
> subscribers they might be able to access given the availability of the
> easement. Another issue would be what kind of competition would you ge
> giving them.
>
>
>
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>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they
>> can’t otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling
>> some conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote
>> to buy the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are
>> reasonable prices for either/both (or other things I should be aware of)?
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[AFMUG] Odd centos issue

[Steve Jones]

So i have a centos server running openfire for our trillian clients to
connect to. Its been great for a few years, its the way we do all
interoffice communications with multiple same user logins.
Over the last month or so we have had issues where people arent getting
messages. Updated openfire, seemed resolved.
Today i had a tech waiting on me for a site build, finally messaged him and
he replied a screenshot of him asking me about scheduling that i never got.
So I reboot the server, neither my webmin or openfire come back up.
Troubleshooting shows appropriate ports listening. Finally i disable
iptables and everything comes up.
(Also found out you have to change repos to update old centos 6 for a yum
update)
I manage iptables through webmin, and the only policies in there are the
default deny, established related allow , 1 webmin allow and port 22
allow.  My openfire server would never have worked.
During troubleshooting prior to disabling iptables i found Ipv6 was also
enabled, i defaultly disable this, and the ports were listening only on
ip6. I disabled ip6 and ip4 was listening.
We manage the ACL with a fortigate. Issue is our fortivoice needs the
firmware version to function. This firmware has an issue where everything
will get slow because of a memory leak.
Im trying to find a way this could be anything other than a compromised
system. I could have forgot to disable ip6, but the ports would have needed
to be listening on ip4, they werent.
I cant see any way the firewall would have worked at all unless i had it
disabled and a reboot enabled it again, except i have rebooted it.
I dont even know on linux how to identify  a compromize. Our fortugate only
has a free account and no fortianalyzer so no long term logs exist.
Im super concerned because i have all my centos webmin instances clustered.
Anybody see any way this isnt compromised? Years of function and the sudden
presence of a firewall that would never have worked?


Also, trying modello dark, its a contender
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

[Steve Jones]

Jesus, does no one remeber having to squint your eyes and tilt your head in
real time on the scrambled cinemax? I am certain those were nipples

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:10 PM castarritt  wrote:

> Pausing DVDs in the late 90's to early 2000's?  We had the internet
> gramps.  Heck, one kid I went to high school with amassed an impressive 5GB
> collection over 28.8kbps.
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 4:55 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one that's annoyed when you pause a video stream, they dim
>> the screen and pop up other information.  How are you supposed to pause
>> for the juicy bits?  And what about stepping through a scene frame by
>> frame?  Today's poor kids probably have no concept of stepping through
>> frame by frame.I mean at least the 2000's kids could pause the clear
>> frame on the DVD and not having all the VHS tracking lines on the screen
>> like I grew up with.
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Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3 POE?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The input will will accept either "ubiquiti" or "cambium" polarity.

However, it needs positive voltage in relation to return.   So if your
power supply is not isolated from ground, one has to be careful that it is
"positive" power, not "negative" power.

Or stated differently:  The more 'negative' voltage on the PoE input will
be effectively tied to the return pins on the Vin inputs. So if you feed it
from a PoE which is -48VDC in relation to ground, it will short out
internally probably causing damage to the unit.

The voltage range is from 12-58V nominal.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:52 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> What PoE standard does the SiteMonitor Base 3 support? The documentation
> says:
>
>
>
> “10/100 Ethernet Input.  This input also supports PoE via passive PoE
> injectors.”
>
>
>
> Will this handle the 24V output from a Ubiquiti EdgePoint Router? Or does
> it require Cambium polarity? Perhaps polarity agnostic?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

[castarritt]

Pausing DVDs in the late 90's to early 2000's?  We had the internet
gramps.  Heck, one kid I went to high school with amassed an impressive 5GB
collection over 28.8kbps.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 4:55 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Am I the only one that's annoyed when you pause a video stream, they dim
> the screen and pop up other information.  How are you supposed to pause
> for the juicy bits?  And what about stepping through a scene frame by
> frame?  Today's poor kids probably have no concept of stepping through
> frame by frame.I mean at least the 2000's kids could pause the clear
> frame on the DVD and not having all the VHS tracking lines on the screen
> like I grew up with.
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

You can make any restrictions in the easement that you want.  Of course they 
don’t have to sign.  

From: Dev 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

I was actually thinking about their ability to sub-lease with a 4” conduit, 
which makes me nervous. 

Asking for space on some of their towers might be a good idea. I still think 
having a rental vs. them owning it would be better, though I still don’t know 
what to charge for rent.  We’re in an economically depressed area, so probably 
lower than Manhattan, but they can’t really claim they’re a poor struggling 
giant company :)



  On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  It probably depends on more factors than we might be able to assess from our 
vantage point. Around here, property values are what most people would consider 
"over the top", so translating that to somewhere else would be problematic. 
There would also be the issue of who and/or how many subscribers they might be 
able to access given the availability of the easement. Another issue would be 
what kind of competition would you ge giving them. 



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  On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dev  wrote:

Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they 
can’t otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling some 
conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote to buy 
the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are reasonable prices 
for either/both (or other things I should be aware of)?
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Dev]

I was actually thinking about their ability to sub-lease with a 4” conduit, 
which makes me nervous.

Asking for space on some of their towers might be a good idea. I still think 
having a rental vs. them owning it would be better, though I still don’t know 
what to charge for rent.  We’re in an economically depressed area, so probably 
lower than Manhattan, but they can’t really claim they’re a poor struggling 
giant company :)

> On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> It probably depends on more factors than we might be able to assess from our 
> vantage point. Around here, property values are what most people would 
> consider "over the top", so translating that to somewhere else would be 
> problematic. There would also be the issue of who and/or how many subscribers 
> they might be able to access given the availability of the easement. Another 
> issue would be what kind of competition would you ge giving them.
> 
> 
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> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dev  > wrote:
> Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they can’t 
> otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling some 
> conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote to buy 
> the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are reasonable 
> prices for either/both (or other things I should be aware of)?
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Or get a spot on their tower.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown via AF

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 12:15 PM
To: AF@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

You will probably not get pushback at $10/foot.

I would ask them for DIA or dark fiber if that would be of value at that
location.
Get strands or empty duct or trade strands or duct somewhere else.

-Original Message- 
From: Dev

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 11:28 AM
To: AF@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they can’t
otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling some
conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote to buy
the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are reasonable
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

You will probably not get pushback at $10/foot.

I would ask them for DIA or dark fiber if that would be of value at that 
location.

Get strands or empty duct or trade strands or duct somewhere else.

-Original Message- 
From: Dev

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 11:28 AM
To: AF@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they can’t 
otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling some 
conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote to buy 
the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are reasonable 
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Re: [AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Bill Prince]

It probably depends on more factors than we might be able to assess from
our vantage point. Around here, property values are what most people would
consider "over the top", so translating that to somewhere else would be
problematic. There would also be the issue of who and/or how many
subscribers they might be able to access given the availability of the
easement. Another issue would be what kind of competition would you ge
giving them.



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On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:29 AM Dev  wrote:

> Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they
> can’t otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling
> some conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote
> to buy the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are
> reasonable prices for either/both (or other things I should be aware of)?
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[AFMUG] how much is an easement worth?

[Dev]

Cell company wants one across 700 feet of our property to a tower they can’t 
otherwise access to convert to fiber backhaul. I suggested drilling some 
conduit for them. They said they wanted 4” conduit. They want a quote to buy 
the easement, I would prefer to rent conduit/access, what are reasonable prices 
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Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3 POE?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

And as a follow up, if the passive POE comes from the same source as the
battery bank monitored via VinA, is there any risk of a short circuit via
the SiteMonitor?

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 9:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3 POE?

 

What PoE standard does the SiteMonitor Base 3 support? The documentation
says:

 

"10/100 Ethernet Input.  This input also supports PoE via passive PoE
injectors."

 

Will this handle the 24V output from a Ubiquiti EdgePoint Router? Or does it
require Cambium polarity? Perhaps polarity agnostic?

 

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[AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3 POE?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

What PoE standard does the SiteMonitor Base 3 support? The documentation
says:

 

"10/100 Ethernet Input.  This input also supports PoE via passive PoE
injectors."

 

Will this handle the 24V output from a Ubiquiti EdgePoint Router? Or does it
require Cambium polarity? Perhaps polarity agnostic?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Small Battery dimensions

[Nate Burke]

I usually get the 12V22AH batteries instead of the 12v18AH APC spec.  
The dimensions on those have always been the same, so I question if 
there's actually a difference of if it's just fancy calculations.  I 
don't bother to do any adjustment of the UPS for the small AH change.  I 
only change the external battery number if I'm putting 100AH batteries 
on it.  The actual runtime will be governed by the LVD.  If you hit the 
LVD, then you're probably using the wrong batteries anyway.


I've just been going to Ebay recently for all my small batteries, Seems 
to be 1/3 the cost of batteries plus.


On 1/25/2021 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I've regularly done 12v 9ah from batteries plus instead of the 12v 
8ah.  I get a few extra minutes and it's worth the dollar or two.  I 
think we pay $22 per 12v 9ah.


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On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 2:58 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


Apc will handle larger ah batteries than theirs? Do tou jave to
fiddle with the number of external batts in the config?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 6:23 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

So for my small UPS's I've always just gotten equivalent Volt/AH
batteries and they fit in.  I had a SmartUPS1000 that used 2
12V12AH
batteries.  I bought a new set of 12V12AH batteries, and they
are about
1/8" taller than the old batteries and wouldn't fit in without
modifying
the case.  I always just thought there was some 'standard'
where all
batteries of the same V/AH are the same physical dimensions. 
Is that

not the case?  I've never had a problem getting 12V18ah-22AH
batteries
to fit in other UPSs, as long as the studs on top are
positioned correctly.

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Re: [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021

[Jaime Solorza]

We wear masks and shields at all times on site.
Very strict rules on water company projects

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 7:50 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Pretty sure you're the first tower climber I've seen with a mask on (at
> the job site).  I'd be more concerned you didn't have a harness than a mask
> - looking at you Bernie.
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> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Got me
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 10:15 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay…..  I suppose I’m stupid but I can’t tell who that is with the mask
>>> on.   BUT are you 6’ away???   You’ve got your mask down!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 6:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes ...this guy showed up but didn't have a harness
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 4:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Keeps you healthy.  We should all be lucky enough to have to exert
>>> ourselves on a daily basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 1:47 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Small Battery dimensions

[Josh Luthman]

I've regularly done 12v 9ah from batteries plus instead of the 12v 8ah.  I
get a few extra minutes and it's worth the dollar or two.  I think we pay
$22 per 12v 9ah.

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 2:58 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Apc will handle larger ah batteries than theirs? Do tou jave to fiddle
> with the number of external batts in the config?
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 6:23 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> So for my small UPS's I've always just gotten equivalent Volt/AH
>> batteries and they fit in.  I had a SmartUPS1000 that used 2 12V12AH
>> batteries.  I bought a new set of 12V12AH batteries, and they are about
>> 1/8" taller than the old batteries and wouldn't fit in without modifying
>> the case.  I always just thought there was some 'standard' where all
>> batteries of the same V/AH are the same physical dimensions.  Is that
>> not the case?  I've never had a problem getting 12V18ah-22AH batteries
>> to fit in other UPSs, as long as the studs on top are positioned
>> correctly.
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Re: [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021

[Josh Luthman]

Pretty sure you're the first tower climber I've seen with a mask on (at the
job site).  I'd be more concerned you didn't have a harness than a mask -
looking at you Bernie.

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 12:21 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Got me
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 10:15 AM James Howard  wrote:
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>> Okay…..  I suppose I’m stupid but I can’t tell who that is with the mask
>> on.   BUT are you 6’ away???   You’ve got your mask down!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 6:16 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes ...this guy showed up but didn't have a harness
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 4:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Keeps you healthy.  We should all be lucky enough to have to exert
>> ourselves on a daily basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021 1:47 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] First tank climb of 2021
>>
>>
>>
>> We are running 1/2 Heliax cable, mast, antenna and 26.4GHz level sensor
>> for EPWU.
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