[AFMUG] consumer router with good per device statistics

[Steve Jones]

We have a customer who is actually willing to pay for a router that will
track usage and content by device. Is there a decent consumer router that
does this well?
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc 
etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.  




From: Adam 
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and 
results


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and 
you'll have to adapt to it. 
But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.

On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:


Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be 
able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work 
- but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand 
dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Once (if?) they the sat-to-sat interlink working, autocratic
  countries like Russia and China (and the list goes on), they will
  be able to route the uplink/downlink around whatever is actually
  underneath the sats. This would effectively bypass the great
  firewall. It's also why it's illegal to own a dishy McFlatface in
  Russia.


bp

On 3/8/2021 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that
Starlink will be so successful internationally for
governments, military, industry, remote rural etc etc that
they will max out their system in the first few years
without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they
will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will
have it built in.  
  

   
  
From: Adam
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling
  and results
  

 
  
  
Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end
  of fixed wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either. 
  The world will move on and you'll have to adapt to it. 

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get
  allocated more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not
  that much compared to what they're trying to do.

 
On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin
  Stanners wrote:


  
Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
 
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where
  WISPs can offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually
  due to few/no trees), they should be able to compete
  fine.
 
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees
  and Starlink won't work - but in those cases they need
  to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars for
  a tower for WISP CPE.
 

  
  
On Sun, Mar 7,
  2021, 10:42 AM 
  wrote:


  So this is the END of WISP?
   
  
On Sun, Mar 7,
  2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
  wrote:

20 mile radius from registered
  address...
  
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Robert]

That is what I supposed.   He is hunting the big game right now, 
government grants.   To do that he has to show that he feeds off little 
people as well as whales   The video I shared was a very poor test.  
Reading through the FAQ it's explained that dishes are tied to "cells" 
which is a particular string of sats over a particular area sounding 
about 25 miles radius, but varying by sat pattern geometry..   Just had 
a friend get his, and set it up about 70 miles from his registered 
location and it initially connected then quickly disconnected and gave 
him a hocus-pocus no no message..


On 3/8/21 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few 
years without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they 
will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built 
in.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either. The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated 
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to 
what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they 
should be able to compete fine.
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't 
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few 
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Steve Jones]

I dont know, single shared surface exposure for multiple nations doesnt
seem like something the US government at least would jump at, but then
again its dumb to do that so the US government may jump at it, probably
will mandate every nuclear reactor have one of the dishes on top of it too.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so
> successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote
> rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years
> without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out
> with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built in.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
>
>
> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
> have to adapt to it.
>
> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
> they're trying to do.
>
>
> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>
> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
> able to compete fine.
>
> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work -
> but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand
> dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>
>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Adam Moffett]

The tracker is more accurate than Verizon's spray paint.

On 3/8/2021 4:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
the one the guy showed us is older and magnetic. he showed us how to 
tell which wave or whatever you call it is in. I didnt realize how 
accurate those things are.


On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package
that comes with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay
something like $12K for the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is
really important.  Old digitrackers or subsite trackers work, but
takes much more skill to use.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend.
The seller is going to train me on the process. No different than
dial up operators who decided to learn the OSP of the next
iteration of data delivery.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN. When the end of
fixed wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The
world will move on and you'll have to adapt to it.

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get
allocated more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that
much compared to what they're trying to do.

On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can
offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no
trees), they should be able to compete fine.
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink
won't work - but in those cases they need to be ready to
spend up to a few thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert
 wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Steve Jones]

the one the guy showed us is older and magnetic. he showed us how to tell
which wave or whatever you call it is in. I didnt realize how accurate
those things are.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package that
> comes with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay something
> like $12K for the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is really important.
> Old digitrackers or subsite trackers work, but takes much more skill to
> use.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
>
> I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller
> is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators
> who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery.
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
>> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
>> have to adapt to it.
>>
>> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
>> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
>> they're trying to do.
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>>
>> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>>
>> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
>> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
>> able to compete fine.
>>
>> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work
>> - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand
>> dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>>
 20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Chuck McCown via AF]

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll have 
to adapt to it. 


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what they're 
trying to do.




On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

  Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

  It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 100mbit+ 
speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be able to 
compete fine.

  Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work - 
but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars 
for a tower for WISP CPE.




  On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:

  20 mile radius from registered address...


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Chuck McCown via AF]

One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package that comes 
with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay something like $12K for 
the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is really important.  Old digitrackers 
or subsite trackers work, but takes much more skill to use.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller is 
going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators who 
decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery. 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll have 
to adapt to it. 


  But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what they're 
trying to do.




  On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be able 
to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work - 
but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars 
for a tower for WISP CPE.




On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

  So this is the END of WISP?

  On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Peter Kranz via AF]

The Navigator is the only dual core radio on the market that will do 4x80Mhz 
using 2 cores, everything else is 2x80Mhz (or whatever channel width you use). 
The navigator has the restrictions we have talked about before regarding the 
channels having to be directly adjacent that make this hard to license.

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 5:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

 

I'd suspect that for same number of streams, same channel size, and same 
modulation, nearly every licensed backhaul will be about the same (except for 
Ubiquiti and Mimosa).



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From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 9:40:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

So aviat and integraX = same speed (~1.4gbps) in 80mhz channel pair?

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:05 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat store. 

You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a 
magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.

The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's not a 
SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of SAF last 
year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap. 

 

No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're 
accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a self 
service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is getting 
better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the third party 
stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go reference.

Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning experience in 
itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But it's worth 
learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did, I thought we 
were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way easier to comprehend 
when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's what they called it) we 
caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.

 

I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough that 
it came to cost and really nothing else. 

It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were not, 
that's a pita, but I believe integrax is 

 

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple.   A 
bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.  

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy since a 
lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.

 

what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?




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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap, i 
sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken rupple 
just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I dont care, 
best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We have 8 links we 
bought last year. we are running out of sites to put them at.

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It is 
absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..

Sent from my iPad

 

On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:



Aviat

 

Our link is solid

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?

Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Matt Hoppes]

And.. there are still dial-up oeprators operating.

On 3/8/21 12:55 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The 
seller is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up 
operators who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data 
delivery.


On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move
on and you'll have to adapt to it.

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared
to what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can
offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees),
they should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink
won't work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up
to a few thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM mailto:tekli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Steve Jones]

I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller
is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators
who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
> have to adapt to it.
>
> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
> they're trying to do.
>
>
> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>
> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
> able to compete fine.
>
> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work -
> but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
> thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>
>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow
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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[Steven Kenney]

100% free... although developing for it can be time consuming, if you want you 
could always put in a feature request. The way I did it in the past (may not be 
the way now) was to add an issue to the git hub repo with specifics including 
the OID you want. Adding the battery expiry is a fantastic idea and if my dev 
wasn't on some other project right now he'd be working on it and would add it 
most likely. Along with rewriting the app for it. 


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From: "David Coudron"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:24:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 



Yep, I think a wrong turn. If you have a linux box, you can definitely get 
going for free. As Steve said, there is lots in there for WISPs right out of 
the box. We had someone add some custom reports and other items to it. Stuff 
you could do on your own, but we decided to hire someone to do it. Pretty cool 
stuff overall. Much more reliable monitoring than Sonar which we also have 
running. 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:18 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 




A year ago I tried to install it, couldn't get it to run and then bumped into a 
license fee. I must have made a wrong turn. 


On 3/5/21 12:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 





I dig it, initial setup is pretty simple if the documentation is followed, odd 
how good their documentation is. 





I read all this stuff like I'm looking to do, that doesnt seem as simple, but 
the price is right. 











On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 2:08 PM David Coudron < [ 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com | david.coud...@advantenon.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



We recently got LibreNMS up and running in Azure hosting. Which no longer makes 
it free, but it has been a very stable and well performing way to go so far. 
Trying to keep our server footprint small where it makes sense. 



Regards, 



David Coudron 


From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Josh Baird 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:04 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 





LibreNMS is free. You just need a Linux host to run it. 





On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs < [ mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net | 
j.vank...@grnacres.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms? 


On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



I don't think you would want to just modify the database. You could add support 
for it in code, though. Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub (even 
pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done. 





On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 12:16 PM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

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One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool. 


I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc 





An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage 





the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with. 





Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending? 


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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[Steven Kenney]

Glad to see since he shot his mouth off he's been going the way of the dodo and 
Libre has taken flight. Isn't that called schadenfreude? 



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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:10:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 

If I recall correctly, LibreNMS was forked from Observium..something to do 
with abrasive behavior from an Observium developer. 



On 3/5/2021 3:04 PM, Josh Baird wrote: 



LibreNMS is free. You just need a Linux host to run it. 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs < [ mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net | 
j.vank...@grnacres.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms? 
On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

I don't think you would want to just modify the database. You could add support 
for it in code, though. Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub (even 
pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done. 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 12:16 PM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool. 
I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc 

An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage 

the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with. 

Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

[Adam Moffett]

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.



On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they 
should be able to compete fine.


Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't 
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few 
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.




On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM > wrote:


So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow


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