Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mothers day and Phone calls

[Chuck McCown via AF]

This is what I will always associate with Mother's Day:
http://telecom-digest.org/telecom-archives/TELECOM_Digest_Online/1309.html

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 6:11 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mothers day and Phone calls 

The old-school circuit switched network had built-in capacity issues 
because every phone call required dedicated "circuits". ATT innovated 
somewhat when they figured out how to multiplex phone calls, but overall 
capacity was always dictated by the number of circuits they could build 
and keep connected.


Packet switching changed all that. That and glass.


bp


On 5/8/2021 4:16 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I seem to remember growing up that on the day after mothers day there 
was always a news report about the number of calls the phone company 
handled on Mothers day and what an amazing feat that was. When did 
that stop being a thing?  I'm guessing in the world of voice now 
there's never a capacity problem.  Equipment failure taking our a 
region, maybe, but even those seem very localized. When did Phone 
calls always just 'work'?   It seems like just a couple years ago that 
WGN Radio finally got off of their 591 Choke exchange prefix.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mothers day and Phone calls

[Bill Prince]

The old-school circuit switched network had built-in capacity issues 
because every phone call required dedicated "circuits". ATT innovated 
somewhat when they figured out how to multiplex phone calls, but overall 
capacity was always dictated by the number of circuits they could build 
and keep connected.


Packet switching changed all that. That and glass.


bp


On 5/8/2021 4:16 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I seem to remember growing up that on the day after mothers day there 
was always a news report about the number of calls the phone company 
handled on Mothers day and what an amazing feat that was. When did 
that stop being a thing?  I'm guessing in the world of voice now 
there's never a capacity problem.  Equipment failure taking our a 
region, maybe, but even those seem very localized. When did Phone 
calls always just 'work'?   It seems like just a couple years ago that 
WGN Radio finally got off of their 591 Choke exchange prefix.






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[AFMUG] OT: Mothers day and Phone calls

[Nate Burke]

I seem to remember growing up that on the day after mothers day there 
was always a news report about the number of calls the phone company 
handled on Mothers day and what an amazing feat that was. When did that 
stop being a thing?  I'm guessing in the world of voice now there's 
never a capacity problem.  Equipment failure taking our a region, maybe, 
but even those seem very localized. When did Phone calls always just 
'work'?   It seems like just a couple years ago that WGN Radio finally 
got off of their 591 Choke exchange prefix.




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert Andrews]

Quicksand is a degraded form of rock...

On 05/08/2021 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I will not build anything upon the rock of UBNT.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.


On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP
you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose
really the best truly FREE option
if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar
if you want to pay a ton then powercode
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

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Co-Founder
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Forrest Christian (List Account)
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and

whistles.


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Chuck McCown via AF
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone


Jesse DuPont
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert Andrews]

Taking lessons from Google on that...

On 05/08/2021 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and

whistles.



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Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I will not build anything upon the rock of UBNT.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not shy 
about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

  Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...


  On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP 

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose 

really the best truly FREE option 

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode 



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

  Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was 
a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.  Billmax 
probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
 
   

Forrest Christian (List Account)May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's 
less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.




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Chuck McCown via AFMay 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me 
years ago.


Sent from my iPhone


 

Jesse DuPontMay 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using 
the free MSSQL license. No issues.

On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:



 



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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and
whistles.



-- 
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Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Erich Kaiser]

Solarwinds netflow NTA for more indepth customers flows but as-stats for
peering stats.


Erich Kaiser
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On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:23 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> asstats
> https://github.com/manuelkasper/AS-Stats
>
> Erich Kaiser
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:16 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is
>> using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to
>> send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for
>> the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site
>> Netflow tools.
>>
>> Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.
>>
>> Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their
>> pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run something
>> for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are.
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Erich Kaiser]

asstats
https://github.com/manuelkasper/AS-Stats

Erich Kaiser
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Office: 815-570-3101





On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:16 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is
> using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to
> send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for
> the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site
> Netflow tools.
>
> Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.
>
> Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their
> pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run something
> for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are.
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[AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Nate Burke]

I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is 
using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to 
send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for 
the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site 
Netflow tools.


Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.

Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their 
pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run something 
for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are.


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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Darin Steffl]

I would never trust Ubiquiti to handle my source of income. They're junk
with no real support.

On Sat, May 8, 2021, 8:40 AM Robert  wrote:

> Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...
>
> On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>
> sign up for stripe
>
> Then setup UISP
>
> you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
> especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose
>
> really the best truly FREE option
>
> if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar
>
> if you want to pay a ton then powercode
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was
>> a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
>> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
>> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's
>> less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Forrest
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
>> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me
>> years ago.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse DuPont 
>> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
>> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
>> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
>> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
>> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert]

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week,
I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy
with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the
community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and
whistles.



-- 
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Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for
me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Timothy Steele]

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was a
> bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less
> expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years
> ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Jesse DuPont 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
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