Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/4/21 11:45 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
Phoenix device is a nice package and I like an easy way to mount stuff.  
I still have a ton of DIN mount hardware from when I used to make boxes 
including their connectors.  This part does not have 1000Mbps or POE.  
Guess I should call them and find out what they have.



They do have DIN mount managed POE switches with gigabit.

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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jaime Solorza]

Lots of options

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 12:47 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> Phoenix device is a nice package and I like an easy way to mount stuff.  I
> still have a ton of DIN mount hardware from when I used to make boxes
> including their connectors.  This part does not have 1000Mbps or POE.
> Guess I should call them and find out what they have.
> On 8/4/21 6:06 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>
> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2891929=usen=1
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 6:00 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
>> That's a nice box, you make it?
>>
>> I need something that can handle a hotbox in full sun.  1Gbps.  Like to
>> set-up port#1 so I can plug in my laptop directly and have the other ports
>> on a VLAN and automatic 24v POE.
>>
>> UISP isn't playing well with shit anymore, either, so a switch that
>> doesn't appear probably isn't that important just as long as I can dig into
>> it via some other means.  Please tell about your experience with Phoenix?
>>
>> I can't read your Phoenix model number
>> On 8/3/21 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
>> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
>> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites
>> where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jan-GAMs]

Phoenix device is a nice package and I like an easy way to mount stuff.  
I still have a ton of DIN mount hardware from when I used to make boxes 
including their connectors.  This part does not have 1000Mbps or POE.  
Guess I should call them and find out what they have.


On 8/4/21 6:06 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2891929=usen=1 



On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 6:00 AM Jan-GAMs > wrote:


That's a nice box, you make it?

I need something that can handle a hotbox in full sun. 1Gbps. 
Like to set-up port#1 so I can plug in my laptop directly and have
the other ports on a VLAN and automatic 24v POE.

UISP isn't playing well with shit anymore, either, so a switch
that doesn't appear probably isn't that important just as long as
I can dig into it via some other means. Please tell about your
experience with Phoenix?

I can't read your Phoenix model number

On 8/3/21 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and
lift stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift
station sites where enclosures are free standing and not inside
buildings.


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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

[Tim Hardy]

Comsearch was built on Friday afternoon keg parties - at least the first 15 
years, till we sold the company to someone with a lot more sense and brain 
cells..

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> Damn, I have a mini lunch party planned for today.  But I missed out on ZZ 
> top.  Too late now.  I guess I will have to see if Vanilla Ice is available. 
>  
> From: Jan-GAMs <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:42 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>  
> I worked at this one place that used to have a feed on the last Friday of the 
> month, till some drunk employee had a car-wreck.  So other employers in the 
> area banned the booze.  Bringing the employees together for a free dinner 
> develops a camaraderie and improves the cohesiveness.  I remember one party 
> where the company brought in ZZ top to celebrate the new ceo.  I'm just 
> saying that a lot of people do better when they feel they work with family.
> 
> On 8/3/21 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Changing the alignment of the stars would be my first thought.  That might 
>> do it...
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF > 
>> wrote:
>> I don't recall ever being able to pull off that transformation.
>> 
>> I took one of those skill path seminars 15-20 years ago.  Had to do with 
>> dealing with problem employees.  After 1.5 days of the seminar the bottom 
>> line was: learn to live with it or fire them.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:20 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; James Howard
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>> 
>> I thought about this.  But then that's saying that people are just what
>> they are and can't change.
>> 
>> What does it take for someone to change out of a bad cookie into a good
>> cookie?
>> 
>> On 8/3/21 10:54 AM, James Howard wrote:
>> > Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the behavior will 
>> > definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their 
>> > employment.  Unless you love micro managing people that gets really old in 
>> > a hurry and then they just return to their “default” behavior.  As Chuck 
>> > said there will likely be resentment for the firing as well as resentment 
>> > for the micro management as long as they are there.
>> >
>> > *From:* AF > *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>> >
>> > You just got manipulated.
>> >
>> > Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes 
>> >  
>> > >> wrote:
>> >
>> > So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led to 
>> > a
>> > different direction than I thought it would.
>> >
>> > Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and
>> > accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they 
>> > ever
>> > done wrong.
>> >
>> > Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me 
>> > that
>> > their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know
>> > what to do and they need help.
>> >
>> > After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the 
>> > job
>> > back with the following stipulations:
>> >
>> > * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job
>> >
>> > * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's
>> > more of a work position vs a management position and have clear
>> > expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as what
>> > behavior will not be tolerated.
>> >
>> > * There is a very short leash for the next few months during which 
>> > time
>> > we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as
>> > well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what
>> > needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going on and go
>> > talk about it.
>> >
>> > I still don't know if I made the proper decision.I labored over 
>> > the
>> > firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and not
>> > in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100%
>> > firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there was
>> > genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs
>> > just "crap I lost my job").
>> >
>> > As someone who's 

Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jaime Solorza]

The older ones were solid.. these new ones are more flimsy

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 10:28 AM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> I have some 900 MHz radios in my basement that pre-date MDS being bought
> by GE, back when it was a NY company out of Rochester.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 4, 2021 12:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches
>
>
>
> These
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 9:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Not the 900MHz series they use around here...these are low data rate
> Ethernet radios
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I think the unlicensed GE-MDS is rebranded Radwin.  Not a criticism, just
> a comment.
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2021 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The smaller water districts use Ubiquti or Cambium radios because they are
> inexpensive and they do the job well.  Limited budgets.
>
>
>
> El Paso Water Utilities uses licensed GE-MDS radios and licensed Cambium
> microwave radios because they can afford it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 7:24 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much
> DIN rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than
> Airfiber... even then it depends on link importance)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
>
> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites
> where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Brian Webster]

I have some 900 MHz radios in my basement that pre-date MDS being bought by GE, 
back when it was a NY company out of Rochester.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 12:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

 

These

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 9:59 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Not the 900MHz series they use around here...these are low data rate Ethernet 
radios

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I think the unlicensed GE-MDS is rebranded Radwin.  Not a criticism, just a 
comment.

 

On 8/4/2021 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

The smaller water districts use Ubiquti or Cambium radios because they are 
inexpensive and they do the job well.  Limited budgets. 

 

El Paso Water Utilities uses licensed GE-MDS radios and licensed Cambium 
microwave radios because they can afford it.

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 7:24 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much DIN 
rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than Airfiber... 
even then it depends on link importance)

 

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift stations 
with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's. 

The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites where 
enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.

 

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik question

[Larry Smith]

Ok, question for the borg:  My research indicates
that Mikrotik still does not support Virtual Tunnel
Interfaces (VTI) even though its been out since around
2004 or so.  We have a client, who's remote application
vendor wants to do an ipsec tunnel using VTI - and our
router onsite is a CCR-1036.  Am I going to have to
replace the onsite router or is there a way to do this
that I am not seeing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jaime Solorza]

Not the 900MHz series they use around here...these are low data rate
Ethernet radios

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I think the unlicensed GE-MDS is rebranded Radwin.  Not a criticism, just
> a comment.
>
>
> On 8/4/2021 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The smaller water districts use Ubiquti or Cambium radios because they are
> inexpensive and they do the job well.  Limited budgets.
>
> El Paso Water Utilities uses licensed GE-MDS radios and licensed Cambium
> microwave radios because they can afford it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 7:24 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
>> In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that
>> much DIN rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other
>> than Airfiber... even then it depends on link importance)
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
>>> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
>>> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station
>>> sites where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Radio Uptime

[Josh Luthman]

Holy crap!  That's awesome.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Just stumbled across this Power bridge that I thought was decommissioned
> at a site.  Turns out it was still there and powered on.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Damn, I have a mini lunch party planned for today.  But I missed out on ZZ top. 
 Too late now.  I guess I will have to see if Vanilla Ice is available.  

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

I worked at this one place that used to have a feed on the last Friday of the 
month, till some drunk employee had a car-wreck.  So other employers in the 
area banned the booze.  Bringing the employees together for a free dinner 
develops a camaraderie and improves the cohesiveness.  I remember one party 
where the company brought in ZZ top to celebrate the new ceo.  I'm just saying 
that a lot of people do better when they feel they work with family.


On 8/3/21 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Changing the alignment of the stars would be my first thought.  That might do 
it...


  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

I don't recall ever being able to pull off that transformation.

I took one of those skill path seminars 15-20 years ago.  Had to do with 
dealing with problem employees.  After 1.5 days of the seminar the bottom 
line was: learn to live with it or fire them.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; James Howard
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

I thought about this.  But then that's saying that people are just what
they are and can't change.

What does it take for someone to change out of a bad cookie into a good
cookie?

On 8/3/21 10:54 AM, James Howard wrote:
> Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the behavior will 
> definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their 
> employment.  Unless you love micro managing people that gets really old 
in 
> a hurry and then they just return to their “default” behavior.  As Chuck 
> said there will likely be resentment for the firing as well as resentment 
> for the micro management as long as they are there.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>
> You just got manipulated.
>
> Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote:
>
> So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led to 
> a
> different direction than I thought it would.
>
> Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and
> accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they 
> ever
> done wrong.
>
> Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me 
> that
> their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know
> what to do and they need help.
>
> After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the 
> job
> back with the following stipulations:
>
> * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job
>
> * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's
> more of a work position vs a management position and have clear
> expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as what
> behavior will not be tolerated.
>
> * There is a very short leash for the next few months during which 
> time
> we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as
> well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what
> needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going on and go
> talk about it.
>
> I still don't know if I made the proper decision.I labored over 
> the
> firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and not
> in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100%
> firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there was
> genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs
> just "crap I lost my job").
>
> As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they become a
> better person both at work and in their personal life, I felt like I
> would be doing this person a disservice if I sent them on their way 
> and
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Snap!

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 7:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much DIN 
rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than Airfiber... 
even then it depends on link importance)


On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift stations 
with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's. 
  The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites 
where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.

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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jaime Solorza]

The smaller water districts use Ubiquti or Cambium radios because they are
inexpensive and they do the job well.  Limited budgets.

El Paso Water Utilities uses licensed GE-MDS radios and licensed Cambium
microwave radios because they can afford it.



On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 7:24 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much
> DIN rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than
> Airfiber... even then it depends on link importance)
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
>> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
>> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites
>> where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Colin Stanners]

In any location that's "professional" or important enough to use that much
DIN rail, I wouldn't use or expect to see any Ubnt products (other than
Airfiber... even then it depends on link importance)

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:55 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites
> where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jaime Solorza]

https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=2891929=usen=1

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 6:00 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> That's a nice box, you make it?
>
> I need something that can handle a hotbox in full sun.  1Gbps.  Like to
> set-up port#1 so I can plug in my laptop directly and have the other ports
> on a VLAN and automatic 24v POE.
>
> UISP isn't playing well with shit anymore, either, so a switch that
> doesn't appear probably isn't that important just as long as I can dig into
> it via some other means.  Please tell about your experience with Phoenix?
>
> I can't read your Phoenix model number
> On 8/3/21 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift
> stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
> The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station sites
> where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.
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Re: [AFMUG] Replacing Tough switches

[Jan-GAMs]

That's a nice box, you make it?

I need something that can handle a hotbox in full sun.  1Gbps. Like to 
set-up port#1 so I can plug in my laptop directly and have the other 
ports on a VLAN and automatic 24v POE.


UISP isn't playing well with shit anymore, either, so a switch that 
doesn't appear probably isn't that important just as long as I can dig 
into it via some other means.  Please tell about your experience with 
Phoenix?


I can't read your Phoenix model number

On 8/3/21 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We are replacing all the tough switches installed at wells and lift 
stations with Phoenix Contact switches and 24 VDC fed POE's.
The TS-5s don't hold up well in our heat especially at lift station 
sites where enclosures are free standing and not inside buildings.



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