Damn, I have a mini lunch party planned for today. But I missed out on ZZ top.
Too late now. I guess I will have to see if Vanilla Ice is available.
From: Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
I worked at this one place that used to have a feed on the last Friday of the
month, till some drunk employee had a car-wreck. So other employers in the
area banned the booze. Bringing the employees together for a free dinner
develops a camaraderie and improves the cohesiveness. I remember one party
where the company brought in ZZ top to celebrate the new ceo. I'm just saying
that a lot of people do better when they feel they work with family.
On 8/3/21 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Changing the alignment of the stars would be my first thought. That might do
it...
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I don't recall ever being able to pull off that transformation.
I took one of those skill path seminars 15-20 years ago. Had to do with
dealing with problem employees. After 1.5 days of the seminar the bottom
line was: learn to live with it or fire them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; James Howard
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
I thought about this. But then that's saying that people are just what
they are and can't change.
What does it take for someone to change out of a bad cookie into a good
cookie?
On 8/3/21 10:54 AM, James Howard wrote:
> Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the behavior will
> definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their
> employment. Unless you love micro managing people that gets really old
in
> a hurry and then they just return to their “default” behavior. As Chuck
> said there will likely be resentment for the firing as well as resentment
> for the micro management as long as they are there.
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>
> You just got manipulated.
>
> Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
> So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led to
> a
> different direction than I thought it would.
>
> Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and
> accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they
> ever
> done wrong.
>
> Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me
> that
> their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know
> what to do and they need help.
>
> After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the
> job
> back with the following stipulations:
>
> * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job
>
> * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's
> more of a work position vs a management position and have clear
> expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as what
> behavior will not be tolerated.
>
> * There is a very short leash for the next few months during which
> time
> we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as
> well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what
> needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going on and go
> talk about it.
>
> I still don't know if I made the proper decision. I labored over
> the
> firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and not
> in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100%
> firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there was
> genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs
> just "crap I lost my job").
>
> As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they become a
> better person both at work and in their personal life, I felt like I
> would be doing this person a disservice if I sent them on their way
> and
> said "Go in peace, keep warm and well fed" but did nothing for their
> physical needs.
>
>
> I figure time will quickly tell of the desire to change is genuine or
> not, and as long as we have clear expectations and rules laid out what
> harm can there be? The employee did do good work that I myself hated
> doing, their ability to interact with others was just...... severely
> lacking.
>
> I think this may have been the "rock bottom" event some people need in
> their life to smack them upside the face.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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