Re: [AFMUG] amazon problem

[Jan-GAMs]

Yes, except we aren't using a VPN or a proxy that I know about.

On 9/15/21 18:22, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Yeah, I have heard about this.  VPNs using what is considered regular 
residential IPs are poisoning the well for everyone.  Amazon and other 
streamers are just using the big hammer rather than finesse to shut 
them down.  Actually they will never be able to totally shut them down.


-Original Message- From: Jan-GAMs
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] amazon problem

We're a small wisp and some of our customers just started to complain
about their Amazon Prime.

Anyone having trouble with amazon complaining about your ISP? I've got
customers telling me they can't connect to their amazon prime anymore.
This message shows up: "Your device is connected to the Internet using a
VPN or proxy service.  Please disable it and try again.  For more help,
go to amazon.com/pv-vpn."  Of course that is even more useless.




--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Bill Prince]

+1

That is close to on target to what Bill Gates is doing, If you have the
time, check out the series "Inside Bill's Brain (Decoding Bill Gates)
".

Quite an unusual individual who few people have really understood. He is a
voracious reader, and when he studies something, he usually reads several
books on the subject. Just one example of what his foundation has been
working on is toilet/sewage and clean water. The obstacles are enormous in
places with limited resources.

I found the series pretty interesting, if a tiny bit dry.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I would try to make it possible for every human to have clean water and a
> toilet.  Until that happens I kinda feel we are all a little guilty.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:32 PM, Tim Withrow  wrote:
>
> I cant begin to fathom what's my bucket list would look like if I had
> that kind of money.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF
>  wrote:
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I would try to make it possible for every human to have clean water and a 
toilet.  Until that happens I kinda feel we are all a little guilty.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:32 PM, Tim Withrow  wrote:
> 
> I cant begin to fathom what's my bucket list would look like if I had that 
> kind of money. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF
>  wrote:
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I cant begin to fathom what's my bucket list would look like if I had that kind 
of money. 


 
 
  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 
  -- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
  
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I love being on team Musk and watching Bezos squirm.  What a whiner.  Branson 
is just in it for the kicks.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 7:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

Another billionaire in space. 

So many billionaires, so few rockets.

Guess we can't send them all up there.


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 2:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pv01sSq44w&ab_channel=SpaceX
  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Bill Prince]

Another billionaire in space.

So many billionaires, so few rockets.

Guess we can't send them all up there.


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 2:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pv01sSq44w&ab_channel=SpaceX
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Sprinkler funny pipe?  At least it will take the sun.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Duct

black waterline works cheap too

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:52 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

  pex tubing, cheap as dirt

  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matt  wrote:

What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Not UV resistant though.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Duct

pex tubing, cheap as dirt

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matt  wrote:

  What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
  fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
  have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] amazon problem

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah, I have heard about this.  VPNs using what is considered regular 
residential IPs are poisoning the well for everyone.  Amazon and other 
streamers are just using the big hammer rather than finesse to shut them 
down.  Actually they will never be able to totally shut them down.


-Original Message- 
From: Jan-GAMs

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] amazon problem

We're a small wisp and some of our customers just started to complain
about their Amazon Prime.

Anyone having trouble with amazon complaining about your ISP? I've got
customers telling me they can't connect to their amazon prime anymore.
This message shows up: "Your device is connected to the Internet using a
VPN or proxy service.  Please disable it and try again.  For more help,
go to amazon.com/pv-vpn."  Of course that is even more useless.


--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 



--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[TJ Trout]

depends on how many you want to fit, take a look at the local hardware
store and see the sizes, homedepot/lowes have it, or amazon, about 25c/ft

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 5:25 PM Matt  wrote:

> > pex tubing, cheap as dirt
>
> What size do you use for cat5? Where do you get it?
>
> >> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
> >> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
> >> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Matt]

> pex tubing, cheap as dirt

What size do you use for cat5? Where do you get it?

>> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
>> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
>> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Steve Jones]

black waterline works cheap too

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:52 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> pex tubing, cheap as dirt
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matt  wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
>> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
>> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[TJ Trout]

pex tubing, cheap as dirt

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matt  wrote:

> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Duct

[Matt]

What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP

[Mathew Howard]

I'd have to check what all we have, but I probably have at least one we
could spare

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 6:13 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I still need a couple more AP's. I guess I don't care what you do to get
> them, but cutting Ryan won't help because he already shipped his.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 9/14/2021 11:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> "cut Ryan"... check
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:44 PM  wrote:
>
>> You’re a stand up guy to offer such a great deal, but I’d hate to cut
>> Ryan out when he offered first.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP
>>
>>
>>
>> find out where ryan stores his, let me know, and ill sell them to you
>> half price
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Adam,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a couple of those that we could sell, I will send you a private
>> message about them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan Houin
>>
>> Operations Manager
>>
>> Fourway.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:40 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any 900mhz 450i AP they could part with?  Looking for 3 or
>> preferably 4.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] amazon problem

[Steve Jones]

youll need to get your ASN whitelisted with amazon. the NANOG group is a
good place for contacts if nobody knows one here

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:11 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> We're a small wisp and some of our customers just started to complain
> about their Amazon Prime.
>
> Anyone having trouble with amazon complaining about your ISP? I've got
> customers telling me they can't connect to their amazon prime anymore.
> This message shows up: "Your device is connected to the Internet using a
> VPN or proxy service.  Please disable it and try again.  For more help,
> go to amazon.com/pv-vpn."  Of course that is even more useless.
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP

[Adam Moffett]

I still need a couple more AP's. I guess I don't care what you do to get 
them, but cutting Ryan won't help because he already shipped his.


-Adam


On 9/14/2021 11:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

"cut Ryan"... check

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:44 PM > wrote:


You’re a stand up guy to offer such a great deal, but I’d hate to
cut Ryan out when he offered first.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP

find out where ryan stores his, let me know, and ill sell them to
you half price

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:08 PM mailto:bearma...@fourway.net>> wrote:

Hey Adam,

We have a couple of those that we could sell, I will send you
a private message about them.

Thanks,

Ryan Houin

Operations Manager

Fourway.net

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*dmmoff...@gmail.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:40 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 900mhz 450i AP

Anyone have any 900mhz 450i AP they could part with?  Looking
for 3 or preferably 4.

-Adam

-- 
AF mailing list

AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


-- 
AF mailing list

AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com



-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] amazon problem

[Jan-GAMs]

We're a small wisp and some of our customers just started to complain 
about their Amazon Prime.


Anyone having trouble with amazon complaining about your ISP? I've got 
customers telling me they can't connect to their amazon prime anymore.  
This message shows up: "Your device is connected to the Internet using a 
VPN or proxy service.  Please disable it and try again.  For more help, 
go to amazon.com/pv-vpn."  Of course that is even more useless.



--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Zone plate antenna


I have tried to make these things work and did not have good luck.
I think one of my sons also tried in college and he had lousy luck too.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

If you can surgically block everything below .6 (I think it is .6 might be 1) 
you can get 6 dB more signal than free space path loss.  That is the principle 
of zone plate antennas.

I agree, if you are seeing the second, you need to lower or keep going higher 
to get all of the third or you are losing ground.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

You may actually want to lower the unit. The higher you go the more even number 
Fresnel zones you expose which are out of phase for the odd numbered ones. This 
will actually lower signal. Higher is not always better. Best practice is to 
try to achieve between .6 and 1 Fresnel zone clearance. Going higher exposes 
the second zone and starts you losing signal strength.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

Will let you know...

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if 
this helps.  

   

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

   

  They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

   

  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the 
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you 
have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal 
on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't 
get much more than that out of it.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely 
over tree line.

   

  On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How long is the path?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 
-406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye 
shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires 
need adjustmentsmore to come..
> 
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


--

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Chuck McCown via AF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pv01sSq44w&ab_channel=SpaceX-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If you can surgically block everything below .6 (I think it is .6 might be 1) 
you can get 6 dB more signal than free space path loss.  That is the principle 
of zone plate antennas.

I agree, if you are seeing the second, you need to lower or keep going higher 
to get all of the third or you are losing ground.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

You may actually want to lower the unit. The higher you go the more even number 
Fresnel zones you expose which are out of phase for the odd numbered ones. This 
will actually lower signal. Higher is not always better. Best practice is to 
try to achieve between .6 and 1 Fresnel zone clearance. Going higher exposes 
the second zone and starts you losing signal strength.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

Will let you know...

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if 
this helps.  

   

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

   

  They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

   

  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the 
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you 
have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal 
on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't 
get much more than that out of it.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely 
over tree line.

   

  On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How long is the path?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 
-406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye 
shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires 
need adjustmentsmore to come..
> 
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


--

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Brian Webster]

You may actually want to lower the unit. The higher you go the more even number 
Fresnel zones you expose which are out of phase for the odd numbered ones. This 
will actually lower signal. Higher is not always better. Best practice is to 
try to achieve between .6 and 1 Fresnel zone clearance. Going higher exposes 
the second zone and starts you losing signal strength.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

Will let you know...

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if this 
helps.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

 

They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the fresnel 
zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you have 
visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal on a 
3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't get 
much more than that out of it.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely over 
tree line.

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How long is the path?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 -406Mbps...the 
> other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye shifted weight on 
> tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires need 
> adjustmentsmore to come..
> 
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


  _  


-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Chuck McCown via AF]

9’ radius.  18’ diameter.  But they only need 9’ of clearance at mid point.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

Will let you know...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if 
this helps.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

  They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the 
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you 
have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal 
on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't 
get much more than that out of it.


On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely 
over tree line.

  On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

How long is the path?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 
-406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye 
shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires 
need adjustmentsmore to come..
> 
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com



--
  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Jaime Solorza]

Will let you know...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> 9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if
> this helps.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever
>
> They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It
> higher.
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the
>> fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as
>> you have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected
>> signal on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if
>> you don't get much more than that out of it.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely
>>> over tree line.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 How long is the path?

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
 >
 > 
 > We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380
 -406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye
 shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed
 wires need adjustmentsmore to come..
 > 
 > --
 > AF mailing list
 > AF@af.afmug.com
 > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
 --
 AF mailing list
 AF@af.afmug.com
 http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

>>> --
>>> AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Chuck McCown via AF]

9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if this 
helps.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It higher.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the 
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you 
have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal 
on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't 
get much more than that out of it.


  On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely over 
tree line.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  How long is the path?

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 
-406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye 
shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires 
need adjustmentsmore to come..
  > 
  > -- 
  > AF mailing list
  > AF@af.afmug.com
  > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Jaime Solorza]

They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It
higher.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the
> fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as
> you have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected
> signal on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if
> you don't get much more than that out of it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely
>> over tree line.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How long is the path?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380
>>> -406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye
>>> shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed
>>> wires need adjustmentsmore to come..
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > AF mailing list
>>> > AF@af.afmug.com
>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>> --
>>> AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

[Mathew Howard]

I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as
you have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected
signal on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if
you don't get much more than that out of it.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely
> over tree line.
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> How long is the path?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380
>> -406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye
>> shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed
>> wires need adjustmentsmore to come..
>> > 
>> > --
>> > AF mailing list
>> > AF@af.afmug.com
>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Florida Lightning Fun

[fiberrun]

Lightning is always fun. I once had a strike burn off all the plastic on the 
cable so that only the glass remained. It still worked, until it was touched.


- Jared




> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021
> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Florida Lightning Fun
>
> We have been using reinforced dielectric cable for the past 10 years
> as our patch cable from the drop to the inside equipment.
>
> Due to stocking issues, we had to get some metal shielded patch cables on our
> last order. This patch cable starts in a box mounted to the outside
> wall, runs though the attic and terminates at a fiber ONT.
>
> We had one of our typical storms last night and this is what the tech found in
> the outside box. Somehow a big enough charge was able to jump on the
> metal shielding and blow the end off the fiber cable. Guess I won't be
> ordering anymore of those cables.
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com--
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com