Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
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From: Peter Kranz  
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:12 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

~$700 per Sierra 10 Module

~$425 for the Inview S monitor

~$400 for the shelf

 

Lead times are rough right now, like everything.

 

This is my sales contact: Mike Habibi m.hab...@cet-power.com 
 

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

The Sierra Peter recommends is more what I'm looking for. I'm guessing they 
sell direct. What is the approximate pricing on these?

 

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I really like that 2 RU charger, inverter thingy.  Planning to use one of those 
on my next battery project.  

 

From: Peter Kranz via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:43 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: Peter Kranz 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently costs 
$500.

 

The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5 
modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you insert 
an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes from the back 
or side.

 

Peter Kranz
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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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Of Sterling Jacobson
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail and 
we have to replace them entirely.

Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a waste 
to just pull and shelve them.

 

I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it racks or 
is monitored?

 

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Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
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pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

What is the current recommendation?


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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
~$700 per Sierra 10 Module

~$425 for the Inview S monitor

~$400 for the shelf

 

Lead times are rough right now, like everything.

 

This is my sales contact: Mike Habibi m.hab...@cet-power.com 
 

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

The Sierra Peter recommends is more what I'm looking for. I'm guessing they 
sell direct. What is the approximate pricing on these?

 

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I really like that 2 RU charger, inverter thingy.  Planning to use one of those 
on my next battery project.  

 

From: Peter Kranz via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:43 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: Peter Kranz 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently costs 
$500.

 

The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5 
modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you insert 
an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes from the back 
or side.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail and 
we have to replace them entirely.

Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a waste 
to just pull and shelve them.

 

I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it racks or 
is monitored?

 

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Of Peter Kranz via AF
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Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
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pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

What is the current recommendation?


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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
The Sierra Peter recommends is more what I'm looking for. I'm guessing they
sell direct. What is the approximate pricing on these?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I really like that 2 RU charger, inverter thingy.  Planning to use one of
> those on my next battery project.
>
> *From:* Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:43 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
> You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently
> costs $500.
>
>
>
> The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5
> modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you
> insert an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes
> from the back or side.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail
> and we have to replace them entirely.
>
> Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a
> waste to just pull and shelve them.
>
>
>
> I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it
> racks or is monitored?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:51 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:
>
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp
>
>
>
> And these guys when I use lifepo4:
>
> https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/
>
> (I use the 110V version)
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS
>
>
>
> Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a
> long time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This
> location has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on
> the servers on batteries alone.
>
>
>
> What is the current recommendation?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I really like that 2 RU charger, inverter thingy.  Planning to use one of those 
on my next battery project.  

From: Peter Kranz via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently costs 
$500.

 

The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5 
modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you insert 
an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes from the back 
or side.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail and 
we have to replace them entirely.

Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a waste 
to just pull and shelve them.

 

I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it racks or 
is monitored?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

What is the current recommendation?




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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
You can send the Alpha units back for repairs. I believe it currently costs 
$500.

 

The Sierra racks as normal, 1U for the Sierra 10 enclosure with up to 5 
modules. It has a full HTTP/SNMP/SMTP monitoring interface assuming you insert 
an Inview-S as a module, the best I’ve seen. AC/DC cabling comes from the back 
or side.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail and 
we have to replace them entirely.

Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a waste 
to just pull and shelve them.

 

I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it racks or 
is monitored?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of can...@believewireless.net  
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

What is the current recommendation?

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
We use the Alpha FXM 1000/2000 and they are great. But sometimes they fail and 
we have to replace them entirely.
Wish someone out there was good a repairing the FXM units, seems like a waste 
to just pull and shelve them.

I’m liking the look of that Sierra system, but a bit unsure of how it racks or 
is monitored?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:
https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

And these guys when I use lifepo4:
https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/
(I use the 110V version)

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone.

What is the current recommendation?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Andy Trimmell 
What’s the prices on those Alpha FXM series if you don’t mind me asking?  

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Peter Kranz
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
I prefer these guys when I use lead acid:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/products/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions/item/alpha-fxm-hp

 

And these guys when I use lifepo4:

https://www.cet-power.com/en/product/sierra-10-48-230/

(I use the 110V version)

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread dmmoffett 
https://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-Smart-UPS-XL-3000VA-RM-3U-120V/P-SU3000RMXL3U

Supports rack mount external battery packs too.   There’s a runtime calculator 
right there on the product page.

 

IMO, if you want x amount of runtime, then buy it for 2x runtime.  Batteries 
will get weaker over time so just plan for it.

Also IMO you’re crazy if you don’t buy the network card for remote management.

Also IMO there’s nothing wrong with getting a refurb APC with new batteries.

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

 

Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a long 
time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This location 
has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on the servers on 
batteries alone. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Colin Stanners 
The smart-UPS 3000 have 4x 12V 18-22AH batteries IIRC. I believe the only
way to get as much or more battery/runtime in the same space is to get a
tower 750XL/1000XL/1500XL, which have 2x of those same batteries, and the
tower expansion unit which has another 4x. So 6x batteries in all should
get you about 160% of the runtime of the non-battery SU3000 due to slower
discharge, but it's not rackmount so need a shelf.


On Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 8:04 AM Josh Luthman, 
wrote:

> For the current recommendation we need to know your current load.
>
> load * batteries = 45 minutes
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:23 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in
>> a long time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries.
>> This location has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime
>> on the servers on batteries alone.
>>
>> What is the current recommendation?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite Small Server Rack UPS

2022-04-27 Thread Josh Luthman 
For the current recommendation we need to know your current load.

load * batteries = 45 minutes

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:23 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Haven't really paid much attention to the small server room UPS space in a
> long time. Normally I'd use a few 3000W APCs with external batteries. This
> location has a backup generator but would prefer 45+ minutes of uptime on
> the servers on batteries alone.
>
> What is the current recommendation?
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