Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Bill Prince]

Hang in there. Rumor is that Juniper may soon be a subsidiary of HPE. 
They're always known as teh bargain brand.



bp


On 1/10/2024 6:53 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / 
update perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.




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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take full 
multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing with some 
Arista’s.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used Arista. 
We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k eaxh.

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Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update 
perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Christopher Tyler]

If you don't get it from a Juniper Authorized reseller or it hasn't been 
re-certified by Juniper and you ever want to update the software or need 
support from Juniper, they will make you get it re-certified by Juniper which 
costs about as much as just purchasing a new unit to start with. And on top of 
that, you have to do without the actual hardware while that re-certification 
takes place as you have to send the hardware to Juniper.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:53 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update 
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Zach Underwood]

I am running a pair of Arista DCS-7280QRA-C36S-M-R
. By default it can take about 900k v4 routes which is a little short of a
full table. But airsta does have flexroute and FIB compression which both
reduce the actual number of routers in the RIB.

The two routers are running iBGP and I dont filter between then. I have 3x
full table upsteams, 2x ix connections and about 20 other bgp peers. I take
all routes from IX and bgp peers. From the full tables upstreams I take a
full table but only accept routes from there AS or one hop ways AS.
After the ASN path filter I get 154k routes from cogent, 94k from GTT and
230k from HE

My active routes on each router is less than 200k due to flexroute and FIB
compression.


On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:01 AM Daniel Pautz via AF 
wrote:

> Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take
> full multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing
> with some Arista’s.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
>
>
>
> While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used
> Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k
> eaxh.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
> perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[dmmoffett]

Arista goes both ways.  We have a number of Arista L3 switches, and also a big 
modular chassis thing comparable to a Juniper MX.

Full routes just depends on the model.  Some of them can’t do it.

 

We started buying Arista a couple of years ago when Juniper changed their 
pricing model.  Good products.  CLI almost identical to Cisco, so it’s old hat. 
 I have no complaints with Arista.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:00 AM
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Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

 

Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take full 
multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing with some 
Arista’s.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

 

While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used Arista. 
We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k eaxh.

 

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update 
perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.

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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Josh Luthman]

The Juniper MX are routers.  Spectrum uses one here and it does the entire
area of something like 100k+ people.

I don't know the model, but Spectrum again uses a Juniper switch between
the MX router and Adva at customer sites.  It's a big fat switch.

They seem pretty good from a customer point of view.  I don't know what's
involved in buying and operating them.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:01 AM Daniel Pautz via AF 
wrote:

> Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take
> full multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing
> with some Arista’s.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
>
>
>
> While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used
> Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k
> eaxh.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
> perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Another option. Check out OcNOS from IP
  Infusion. CLI is almost identical to Cisco and it's a great value.
  OcNOS runs on white label boxes so you can choose the hardware
  platform that fits your needs (what I've ordered so far comes with
  OcNOS pre-installed). Lots of hardware choices from Edgecore and
  UfiSpace. IP Infusion supports others, too. OcNOS is a full
  featured carrier-class routing/switching OS and includes full BNG,
  MPLS, L3/L2VPN suite, etc. A Ufispace S9510-28DC-9N0A with DC
  power and OcNOS MPLS license is about $8K and is comparable to the
  Juniper MX204 in terms of features, capacity and port count,
  including full route tables if used at the border. On the low-end,
  the Ufispace 9502-16MT with MPLS license and DC power is about
  $2200 and has all the same capabilities/features as the bigger
  box, just less capacity and port count. Great platform. I suppose
  technically the white label boxes are L3 switches in so much as
  the ASIC that runs it a switch chip at its hard, but all routing,
  label switching, and L2 switching (data plane) takes place in the
  ASIC. Control plane is handled by the CPU. Worth a look. We have
  OcNOS interoperating with Juniper, Mikrotik and NetElastic on
  OSPF/MPLS/VPLS.
  

On 1/11/24 11:16 AM,
  dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


  
  
  
  
Arista goes
both ways.  We have a number of Arista L3 switches, and also
a big modular chassis thing comparable to a Juniper MX.
Full routes
just depends on the model.  Some of them can’t do it.
 
We started
buying Arista a couple of years ago when Juniper changed
their pricing model.  Good products.  CLI almost identical
to Cisco, so it’s old hat.  I have no complaints with
Arista.
 
-Adam
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Daniel
  Pautz via AF
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:00 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Cc: Daniel Pautz 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
  

 
Is it really considered a router or just
  high end switch? Eg  does it take full multi tables, etc? 
  what model? I have always considered playing with some
  Arista’s.
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

 

  While not juniper and with no support we
have done very well with used Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24
x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k eaxh.

 

  
On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason
  McKemie 
  wrote:
  
  

  Is this worth looking at or is it too
problematic from a support / update perspective? New
Juniper is not in my budget.

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