Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Ken Hohhof]

The lay it in the crack guy was there. The kick dirt on it guy comes next week. 
Maybe Steve can be that guy. Original Message From: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: 4/29/2024 5:14:21 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Won Onep { margin: 0; }Sometimes it's not even that. I literally did 
see a drop that was just laid into a crack in the dirt. No effort was done to 
cover it.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
ExchangeThe Brothers WISPFrom: "Steve Jones" To: 
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, April 29, 
2024 4:50:38 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Won OneI want to do drops for metronet. 
just kick dirt on the fiber.?On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 1:29?PM Mike Hammett 
 wrote:MetroNet does the same thing.-Mike 
HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers 
WISPFrom: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.comSent: Monday, 
April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One

  

  
  
From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who
  have no other choice), their installations are "divide an conquer.
  They send out a different crew to do every micro-step of an
  installation.


bp

On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G
$25/ month loss leader service.? 
  ?
  He lasted a couple months.? 
  ?
  He said their customer service is non existent.? 
  ?
  ?

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Mike Hammett]

Sometimes it's not even that. I literally did see a drop that was just laid 
into a crack in the dirt. No effort was done to cover it. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 4:50:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One 


I want to do drops for metronet. just kick dirt on the fiber. 


On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 1:29 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




MetroNet does the same thing. 




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From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One 


>From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other 
>choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different 
>crew to do every micro-step of an installation. 

bp
 
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Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader 
service. 

He lasted a couple months. 

He said their customer service is non existent. 





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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Steve Jones]

I want to do drops for metronet. just kick dirt on the fiber.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 1:29 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> MetroNet does the same thing.
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> *Sent: *Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Won One
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> From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no
> other choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a
> different crew to do every micro-step of an installation.
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> bp
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> On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
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> Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss
> leader service.
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> He said their customer service is non existent.
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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Ken Hohhof]

Business installs can get crazy with the number of subs who just do one thing.

 

And if you ordered a static IP or block or want help setting up the “gateway”, 
the guy who basically just plugs in the modem doesn’t know anything about that, 
he tells you to call customer support.

 

I got Comcast cable Internet at my house replacing RCN (they really suck bigly) 
and they just sent one guy but he just had a regular passenger car with a 
ladder on top.  I kept trying to tell him no that wasn’t the Comcast drop cable 
it was the RCN cable and I hadn’t cancelled them yet so no he couldn’t just 
steal it.  The 20 year old Comcast cable was all rotten and he was going to 
have to run a new one.  He still cut the RCN cable and I made him splice it 
back.  I knew that Comcast was the old Jones Intercable and they were below the 
power wires on the poles and RCN was the old Americast which was below the 
Comcast cables,  but he didn’t seem to know that.  Or else he was just being 
lazy and trying to avoid running a new drop.  He still IMHO did a crap job on 
the aerial drop (too close to electrical service entrance wires) but I was 
tired of arguing.  The Comcast 2 Gbps service however has been flawless.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 4:10 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One

 

It’s pretty common to have drop cable teams separate from the house install 
teams.  I think the reasoning is you can subcontract drop cables, but you want 
to keep the customer facing piece in house.  The other reason is a customer 
doesn’t need to be home for the drop cable to get done, so you don’t have to 
schedule that with them.

  

I can see having a sub who does the aerial part of a drop and another sub who 
does an underground portion, and then your in-house installer comes in to hang 
the NID on the house and run a cable in to the CPE.  That’s about the maximum 
number of ways I can see it logically divided up.  How many steps could Comcast 
have? 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 2:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One

 

>From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other 
>choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different 
>crew to do every micro-step of an installation.

 

bp


On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader 
service.  

 

He lasted a couple months.  

 

He said their customer service is non existent.  

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

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It’s pretty common to have drop cable teams separate from the house install 
teams.  I think the reasoning is you can subcontract drop cables, but you want 
to keep the customer facing piece in house.  The other reason is a customer 
doesn’t need to be home for the drop cable to get done, so you don’t have to 
schedule that with them.

  

I can see having a sub who does the aerial part of a drop and another sub who 
does an underground portion, and then your in-house installer comes in to hang 
the NID on the house and run a cable in to the CPE.  That’s about the maximum 
number of ways I can see it logically divided up.  How many steps could Comcast 
have? 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 2:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One

 

>From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other 
>choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different 
>crew to do every micro-step of an installation.

 

bp


On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader 
service.  

 

He lasted a couple months.  

 

He said their customer service is non existent.  

 

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Mike Hammett]

MetroNet does the same thing. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One 


>From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other 
>choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different 
>crew to do every micro-step of an installation. 

bp
 
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Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader 
service. 

He lasted a couple months. 

He said their customer service is non existent. 





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Re: [AFMUG] Won One

[Bill Prince]

From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have 
no other choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send 
out a different crew to do every micro-step of an installation.



bp


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He lasted a couple months.
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[AFMUG] Won One

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Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader 
service.  

He lasted a couple months.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

[Chuck McCown via AF]

As long as you also have a supply of calcium gluconate you might be OK.
I am always amazed that it is sold to hobbyists for glass etching.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 10:23 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

My old H.S. chemistry professor ( Dr. Welch ) kept a bottle of
hydrofluoric acid under his desk in a wax bottle of unknown quality.
That was an interesting removal...

On 4/29/24 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Pretty much in the middle of Salt Lake City.
The guy the lived there (had died recently I think) was a chemist at the 
University of Utah.
His wife found a spill of mercury and asked for help in safely removing 
it. As a result they found over 500 containers of chemicals and very very 
old dynamite.  Totally a no win situation.


You might have been able to soak it in diesel and built a small electric 
kiln over it to incinerate in place.  But monday morning quarterbacking.




Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 8:13 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

FROM: News of the Weird

Boom!
In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to
advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including
“ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and
generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the
collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. KUTV reported that
multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that
they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.

Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?




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[Robert]

My old H.S. chemistry professor ( Dr. Welch ) kept a bottle of 
hydrofluoric acid under his desk in a wax bottle of unknown quality.  
That was an interesting removal...


On 4/29/24 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Pretty much in the middle of Salt Lake City.
The guy the lived there (had died recently I think) was a chemist at 
the University of Utah.
His wife found a spill of mercury and asked for help in safely 
removing it. As a result they found over 500 containers of chemicals 
and very very old dynamite.  Totally a no win situation.


You might have been able to soak it in diesel and built a small 
electric kiln over it to incinerate in place.  But monday morning 
quarterbacking.




Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 8:13 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

FROM: News of the Weird

Boom!
In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to
advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including
“ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and
generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the
collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. KUTV reported that
multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that
they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.

Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

[Ken Hohhof]

Always need some dynamite on hand in case of Graboids.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 10:47 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

"Controlled Explosion"   Hopefully _after_ having been removed from the 
house

On 4/29/24 7:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> FROM: News of the Weird
>
> Boom!
> In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to 
> advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, 
> including “ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for 
> “generations and generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire 
> Authority said the collectors did not appear to have malicious intent.
> KUTV reported that multiple agencies descended on the home, where it 
> was determined that they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.
>
> Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Pretty much in the middle of Salt Lake City.
The guy the lived there (had died recently I think) was a chemist at the 
University of Utah.
His wife found a spill of mercury and asked for help in safely removing it. 
As a result they found over 500 containers of chemicals and very very old 
dynamite.  Totally a no win situation.


You might have been able to soak it in diesel and built a small electric 
kiln over it to incinerate in place.  But monday morning quarterbacking.




Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 8:13 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

FROM: News of the Weird

Boom!
In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to
advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including
“ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and
generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the
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multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that
they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.

Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

[Robert]

"Controlled Explosion"   Hopefully _after_ having been removed from the 
house


On 4/29/24 7:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

FROM: News of the Weird

Boom!
In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to 
advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, 
including “ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for 
“generations and generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire 
Authority said the collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. 
KUTV reported that multiple agencies descended on the home, where it 
was determined that they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.


Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?




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[AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun

[Bill Prince]

FROM: News of the Weird

Boom!
In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to 
advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including 
“ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and 
generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the 
collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. KUTV reported that 
multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that 
they would have to conduct a controlled explosion.


Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck?

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