Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Dispersion compensation module - https://www.fs.com/products/65783.html

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

I spent a few minutes searching on the term DCM and came up with “chirped fiber 
Bragg grating”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_Bragg_grating

OK, I’m out of my depth now.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Perhaps pick up a used cheap DCM and see if it helps,  adjustable  preferred if 
not as close to the fiber distance.   Our newest 100G dwdm build (dozen 100G 
optics) very much needed a DCM on it.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Gotta think of the Fourier series of the pulse.  Yes group velocities or group 
delay of the whole enchalada.  It is all kinda the same thing.  They were doing 
some kind of soliton fiber development.  Haven’t heard much for some time about 
that.  No idea how frequency pure/coherent the tx is.  I imagine phase 
coherency is a big deal.



From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:12 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Looks like different wavelengths have different group velocities, so 
compensation is possible (but probably not cheap?).

Is this because the transmitter doesn’t generate literally a single wavelength? 
 Or is this a WDM issue?  Chuck says the pulses get smeared out in time, that 
sounds like the first one.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Yeah, the pulses tend to get smeared out in time if there is too much 
dispersion.  Similar to trying to use too high level of QAM with SNR issues.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Even if the RX level is good?

> rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes on both sides

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:22 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yeah makes me think the two paths have different loss.   We have had that on 
mirrored paths,  or even single paths with crappy splices on one of the strands.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Did anyone do dispersion testing on the fiber?

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
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Lake Point, Utah 84074
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From: Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes 
on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We will be 
looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another site to fiber 
loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.

100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion compensation 
fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.

You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at the 
max they can do for that specific unit.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood 
mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

TX Power   2~6.5dBm

I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted at 
31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it to 
link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to get 
almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.

I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for 
links over 40km.

So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the o

Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Perhaps pick up a used cheap DCM and see if it helps,  adjustable  preferred if 
not as close to the fiber distance.   Our newest 100G dwdm build (dozen 100G 
optics) very much needed a DCM on it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Gotta think of the Fourier series of the pulse.  Yes group velocities or group 
delay of the whole enchalada.  It is all kinda the same thing.  They were doing 
some kind of soliton fiber development.  Haven’t heard much for some time about 
that.  No idea how frequency pure/coherent the tx is.  I imagine phase 
coherency is a big deal.



From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:12 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Looks like different wavelengths have different group velocities, so 
compensation is possible (but probably not cheap?).

Is this because the transmitter doesn’t generate literally a single wavelength? 
 Or is this a WDM issue?  Chuck says the pulses get smeared out in time, that 
sounds like the first one.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Yeah, the pulses tend to get smeared out in time if there is too much 
dispersion.  Similar to trying to use too high level of QAM with SNR issues.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Even if the RX level is good?

> rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes on both sides

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:22 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yeah makes me think the two paths have different loss.   We have had that on 
mirrored paths,  or even single paths with crappy splices on one of the strands.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Did anyone do dispersion testing on the fiber?

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com<http://www.mccowntech.com>
www.microtrench-blades.com<http://www.microtrench-blades.com>
www.terabitnetworks.com<http://www.terabitnetworks.com>

From: Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes 
on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We will be 
looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another site to fiber 
loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.

100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion compensation 
fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.

You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at the 
max they can do for that specific unit.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood 
mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

TX Power   2~6.5dBm

I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted at 
31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it to 
link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to get 
almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.

I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for 
links over 40km.

So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the options 
are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me this is the 
first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km.

switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R

https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf
https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032&id=3462585

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range?

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood 
mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?


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Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Yeah makes me think the two paths have different loss.   We have had that on 
mirrored paths,  or even single paths with crappy splices on one of the strands.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

Did anyone do dispersion testing on the fiber?

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes 
on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We will be 
looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another site to fiber 
loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.

100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion compensation 
fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.

You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at the 
max they can do for that specific unit.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood 
mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

TX Power   2~6.5dBm

I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted at 
31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it to 
link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to get 
almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.

I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for 
links over 40km.

So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the options 
are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me this is the 
first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km.

switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R

https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf
https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032&id=3462585

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range?

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood 
mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?


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From: "Zach Underwood" mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power levels 
one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista devices hosting 
the optics is the same.

Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is 
small due to the optices costing $4k each

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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

O isn’t that the truth.   I honestly hate Junipers,  but its been 25 years 
of cisco,  missed in some extreme networks which was close to cisco command 
line.  And Arista which is growing fast is pretty much cisco command line.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 11:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

Juniper has an entirely different programming style that Cisco.. most network 
folks like one or the other, I would not suggest mixing them in your network.

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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take full 
multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing with some 
Arista’s.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used Arista. 
We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k eaxh.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update 
perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Darn,  your first message with the typo had me excited ☺   paying a ton of USF 
for 100G interstate links, would love to get around that some day as we turn up 
more its so much wasted cash.   Would have been cool if these guys won  
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/22-60008/22-60008-2023-03-24.html

I know the USF does bring some good,  but I thing it also is a big ass waste of 
“taxes”  so much gets wasted,   there could be much better ways of doing it and 
checks/balances

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

Yikes, my mobile keyboard is going downhill fast;

In almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers 
will default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the a/z 
termination points, if you are paying USF on intrastate transport you probably 
shouldn't be, and I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting 
pushback from your reps.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 4:13 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Almost every case I've seen for ptp or ptmp transport service the carriers will 
default to try to slip you and interstate agreement regardless of the a/z 
termination points, if your paying USF on interstate private lines you probably 
should be, I may be able to assist on new orders if you are getting pushback 
from your reps.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 3:11 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
I think you need to do a lot more research on the subject to really get a good 
answer.

Short version:

Collecting USF fees from customers is always optional.   Paying USF fees is 
required for services that are subject to USF.There is a deminimus category 
where you don’t have to pay the fees (your upstream providers pay them) but 
once you exceed deminimus you have to pay them yourself.

Things subject to USF:  phone service, voip service, private line service, 
point-to-point data circuits, point to multipoint data circuits.

Things not subject to USF: Internet service provided to a retail or business 
customer

There are a lot of caveats to the ’things subject to USF’ and the lawyers can’t 
agree on what it is.   USAC acts as judge, jury, executioner, and pockets the 
money.   The FCC occasionally weighs in and confuses things more.

I don’t believe you are required to be a 499 filer to participate in ACP for 
broadband service.   Not sure what it would have to do with anything.

All of the above is worth exactly what you paid for it :-)

Mark


On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Peter Kranz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I think so, but I’m looking for a confirmation from someone actually 
participating in it..

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

I thought that internet service is USF exempt per ITNA/ITFA in California?

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:06 PM Peter Kranz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a form 
499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users?

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Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Those look pretty interesting.   We just dropped 10 grand on new bats for one 
of our 350KW UPS’s which use two strings of 100AH bats,  I was looking around 
but just couldn’t get to the happy spot with going Lithium,   many of them said 
max 3 or 4 in series which kind of kill it as these need 400v+.   Our other 
500KW ups’s use thousands of the cheapy 9AH bats,   takes some of the employees 
weeks to swap those battery packs out,  but nice thing about those is no worry 
of 1 battery from each string being enough to kill the ups,  with dozens of 
strings the probability is very low.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

LiFePO4. There are a few different ways you can go with that though. You can 
get something like these: https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/eve-lf280k 
which I think actually comes out slightly cheaper than SLA/AGM, but then you 
need a separate BMS, or you can get something like this: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166234057827 which is made to be a drop in replacement 
for lead acids, and has a built in BMS.


On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 2:37 PM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ooh What lithium batteries are we talking about?
Last time I checked (a number of years ago), it was around 5x the $/Wh to buy 
Lithium.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

Well, right. It doesn't scale well, because battery costs and space 
requirements will quickly become a problem. Batteries don't last forever, so 
you have to factor in replacement costs too, which will be a significant 
ongoing cost for a larger system. I'm pretty sure that lithium batteries would 
be cheaper long term now, since they should have a lot longer life span and the 
initial cost isn't a lot higher, but then heating is required, which means you 
need more power.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 7:02 PM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That’s building strictly for a 20W load though.  Building for a tiny load does 
make the costs easier.  But if you wanted a second AP, bigger backhaul, or 
anything else you can’t do it without growing the whole power system 
proportionally.

Steve was talking a 50W load today.  The real high end hardware now is using a 
lot of signal processing either to reassemble useful data out of garbage or for 
beam steering, or both.  So you end up needing 100-150W for an AP.  You’d be 
hard pressed to find a licensed backhaul under 35W, and most of them are 50W+.  
We could say we won’t deploy that equipment….but building for a 20W load takes 
the choice away.

A 20A 240v circuit is 4800W.  Or a 20A 120V circuit is 2400W.  Even 2400W would 
power almost any WISP deployment.  Building solar to handle any load you might 
have is expensive, and building for only low power handcuffs you.
You do your thing your way, no judgement.  If it’s working for you then it’s 
good, but I can’t see myself going that direction.

-Adam



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 5:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

I'm at about the same latitude as you. My experience is that having extra 
battery capacity is more helpful than oversizing the solar panels, so I'd 
probably go with Chuck's numbers for batteries if I was putting something 
together now, and solar panels are cheap now anyway, so figure 400 watts (if 
mounting space allows for it, which could be an issue if we're trying to fit it 
on a pole).

A quick check on Amazon shows 100ah SLA batteries for $160, so 6 of those would 
give me 7200 watt hours, for just under $1k. At $1500 (which is mostly just 
adjusting battery and panel sizes from where I started at $1k), I'm right in 
line with Chuck's estimate, aside from the battery costs.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 3:33 PM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I end up closer to Chuck’s estimate.  In Southern or Central NY State I’m 2 
degrees north of Salt Lake City.  42N
What’s your latitude?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 4:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

Yeah, that's what I'd do in a difficult to access location. I did a site like 
that here (Wisconsin) with 200 watts of panel (I think the actual load is 
around 15 watts, so a bit more than 10x), and ~4kwh of battery. It had some 
issues in January a couple years, but I attributed that more to using cheap 
flooded deep cycles, rather than not enough capacity. With AGMs, it's gotten 
through the last couple of winters without issues. 4kwh of AGMs can be had for 
around $800, last I checked. P

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Yeah the v3 is kick ass,  so much better than the older ones.  I do love the 
warning of high doses of Vit C will kill the sensor ☺

I don’t even have T2D but use it to get a feel for what foods do what to spikes 
and such,  helps make better choices.Though the tape on these doesn’t seem 
to be a good,  lost a few / had to start using the covers to get the full 2 
week out of them.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 7:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you

I've had the FreeStyle and now the FreeStyle 3. I love my 3.

I will note that for my kind of diabetes, it may be unnecessary, but it is fun 
to collect data.


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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 1:54:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you
Thanks, she is back to chewing my ass so I think she is OK.  She has a 
continuous glucose monitor now.  It appears that she needs a bit more attention 
to the problem.  In the end it seems to be a good thing but was not fun.



From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you


Scary story, but not the first time I've heard about adverse reactions to some 
medicines.

Hope that she's OK now.



bp


On 8/10/2023 7:01 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Was in Spain a few weeks ago.  My wife tried to croak on me.  Became incredibly 
ill one night.  One of our daughters finally convinced her she needed an 
ambulance (she would not agree to that when I was trying to get her to).  Super 
high blood sugar, ketones etc.  Learned about the “anion gap” that is a measure 
of blood acidity.  Turns out she had acute diabetic keto acidosis DKA.  So we 
spent our Barcelona vacation in a hospital there.  She got better but they 
would not release her.  I finally just sprung her and we got home and went 
directly to a hospital here.  She was stable enough to go home.  She set up an 
appointment with her Dr and was OK for a week.  Just chalked it up to a 
worsening of her type 2 diabetes.  At the Dr office she became ill again, took 
her to the ER.  They finally figured out that she is one of the people that 
Jardiance can kill.  I causes DKA in some people (usually DKA is reserved for 
type 1 diabetes).  Super scary.  So if someone on Jardiance starts non stop 
vomiting, super (and I mean super) high heart rate (150) and respiration (100) 
it could be this.  Don’t think they simply ate something bad or are dehydrated.




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Re: [AFMUG] Solar

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Now if only the installers weren’t so greedy.   Chuck know of any good 
commercial / industrial installers?   Considering a big 500kw + install up here 
in Ogden.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar


Wow I'm going to have to check these guys out there just down the street from 
me. I actually almost moved in to that complex when I was looking for my new 
office.
On 7/31/23 6:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Beene Brothers Ventures LLC
2090 Fm157 Mansfield, TX 76063 US
beenebrothe...@gmail.com
https://beenebrothers.com

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 31, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:

Not bad. Where did you order from?

Thanks,
Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone



 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Date: 7/31/23 6:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Solar

Just bought a pallet of new 490 watt panels for 40 cents per watt.

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Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Well the CEO hotshot was on board.  I predct this company goes poof very 
quickly.


From: AF  on behalf of dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 11:28:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

The claim from the ex operations director is he told management that 
non-destructive pressure testing was necessary and management felt that such 
testing was impossible.
He also talks about visible flaws in the carbon fiber which could expand into 
tears as the hull cycles between low and high pressure.
He also alleges that the vendor for the viewing bubble only certified it to 
1300m depth, whereas they intended to use the vessel at up to 4000m.

If any of those claims are true those guys may be getting sued by the families 
of 4 zillionaires.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

Carbon fiber is not the same as fiberglass. I believe they pressure tested the 
vessel to ~~ 6,200 PSI (roughly 14,000' depth).

That said, if something goes wrong at that kind of pressure (~~ 5,400 PSI), the 
failure would be measured in milliseconds.


bp


On 6/22/2023 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Water pressure at 12,500' is something like 5400 psi.  There is a lot
> of area on that tube.  Who trusts essentially fiberglass to withstand
> 5400 psi? If it was a pressure vessel it is one thing, but this is
> essentially a vacuum inside the tube, the forces pushing on it are not
> pulling on those fibers.  The tiniest non symmetry in shape would be
> no bueno.
>
> -Original Message- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 7:02 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: RE: [AFMUG] This thing on?
>
> I read a commentary today saying the hull was made of titanium and carbon
> fiber.
>
> An Operations Director for the manufacturer delivered a quality control
> report saying that the carbon fiber hull carried a risk of small defects
> expanding into major failures under pressure.  They were relying on an
> acoustic fault detection system that was supposed to alert the pilot if
> there were sounds indicating stress in the hull.  That Operations
> Director
> said you'd have a matter of milliseconds between that alert system
> going off
> and a catastrophic failure.  He'd expressed those concerns verbally
> and was
> ignored, so he delivered that report to senior management in 2018 to
> create
> a written record of his concerns, and was immediately fired.  Then he
> took
> his report to OSHA, there was a lawsuit about divulging company
> information
> or some such.  Lawsuit settled later that year, OSHA didn't take any
> action
> against the manufacturer.  I'd bet a nickel that OSHA doesn't have
> specific
> rules for submarines, and without any rules to follow they don't have
> enough
> knowledge to assess whether one is actually safe.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 7:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?
>
> What a horror show.  There were so many ways they could have improved
> their
> chances at survival.  Supposedly dissolvable straps should have
> dropped sand
> ballast by now.  They had a way to mechanically drop steel ballast.
> And a
> inflatable bladder.
>
> Why not a power and comm tether to the mother ship?  I realize it is
> 12,500'
>
> of cable but fiber optics are pretty much neutrally buoyant.
>
> But no underwater pinger.  No ELT.  How about a sat tel or VHF radio.
> Some
> kind of way to talk to the world.  No high pressure air to blow tanks.  I
> would have wanted explosive bolts on the hatch if there was no other
> way to
> get out.  But why not some kind of fresh air intake assuming you could
> surface.  This haunts my sleep.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Tryin' to get my ass outa this cramped submarine.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/21/2023 3:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Errbody dead?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Nope,   I have used it for a year + on random older laptops.  They update
fine / work as expected.  It gets around the forcing of secure boot and the
dumb needed MS account to install it.   


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2023 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

Thanks, I'll check that out.  Would a future Windows update brick the
machine from booting?

On 5/2/2023 5:28 PM, Daniel Pautz via AF wrote:
> Make an windows 11 iso with that disabled (so much easier)   use Rufus as
it
> has quick easy way to disable all of that crap
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2023 4:10 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI
>
> Does anyone have any pointers for getting a Windows11 machine to run 
> on EXSI
> (Free) vmware?  All the online instructions that I find talk about 
> enabling the 'Trusted platform module' in the VM settings but that's 
> not an option in my EXSI.  I've tried both ESXI 7 and 8.
>
> Windows 11 will install natively on the hardware (DL360G9) but it 
> seems like it'll be easier to manage/backup/move if it's a VM.
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Re: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Make an windows 11 iso with that disabled (so much easier)   use Rufus as it
has quick easy way to disable all of that crap

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2023 4:10 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

Does anyone have any pointers for getting a Windows11 machine to run on EXSI
(Free) vmware?  All the online instructions that I find talk about enabling
the 'Trusted platform module' in the VM settings but that's not an option in
my EXSI.  I've tried both ESXI 7 and 8.

Windows 11 will install natively on the hardware (DL360G9) but it seems like
it'll be easier to manage/backup/move if it's a VM.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

There has been a lot of Cisco hate to go around,  honestly over the years
that is all I have seen with WISP's,  "GOO Microtik, fuck cisco!!!".  To
answer your question  the switch will work fine after that.  Its likely the
demo of the advanced services which would be more than simple vlans.   

I am obviously biased myself towards Cisco,  we have on staff CCIE's and
large ASR's at all our locations running nearly 1Tbps of capacity,  but
dealing with large internet routers all that is out there is Cisco, Juniper,
Arista and Extreme Networks (still blows my mind extreme bought brocade and
didn't keep the better name).  

Dan

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 4:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 POE
ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 'Licensing' screen
through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day
countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working after 90 days?  I haven't
used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 switches were the last thing I
dabbled with.

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Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Any worries about their endless hackings?  Seems like they are not giving full 
disclosure anymore and a few of the last hacks were pretty bad sounding.   We 
have been using lastpass forever now,  but its getting a big sad that a company 
that should be securing your PW’s keeps getting nasty hacks.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2023 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers

 

We use LastPass Enterprise. It integrates with our Active Directory for 
provisioning of users and group assignment. I have different groups and folders 
for different roles in the company. Each user can be in multiple groups.

 

It's mostly headache-free (nothing in IT is totally headache-free).



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From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 4:38:52 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Business password managers

I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager 
would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords 
I keep up in the old noggin.  This might be like opening up a apple/PC 
debate, but just curious what others are using.

I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden.  And there's always 
Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file 
at all times, might be hard to share between users.

It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain 
users.  Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare.   
Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios.

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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Ahhh  have you tried to bring  it out of bypass?  It’s a bit of a process to do 
/ does risk dropping the load.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

 

It's not powered off, but it is in bypass. 

On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two good 
packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

 

Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver on/off 
screw.

We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery packs 
out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the battery packs 
in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power modules try to 
start, but the fans cycle on and off. 

On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  

We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to monster 
500KW setups lately.  

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 25th 
it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 10kw 
power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 'Off & 
OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but I'm 
wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power modules 
not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the UPS.

The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must need 
a minimum of 2 packs to work.


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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two good 
packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

 

Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver on/off 
screw.

We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery packs 
out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the battery packs 
in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power modules try to 
start, but the fans cycle on and off. 

On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  

We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to monster 
500KW setups lately.  

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 25th 
it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 10kw 
power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 'Off & 
OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but I'm 
wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power modules 
not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the UPS.

The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must need 
a minimum of 2 packs to work.


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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  

We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to monster 
500KW setups lately.  

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 25th 
it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 10kw 
power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 'Off & 
OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but I'm 
wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power modules 
not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the UPS.

The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must need 
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Re: [AFMUG] MUX Monitor port

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

If you find something that is fairly cheap let me know as we have a few
50-80KM runs that could use one on each side.   You are looking at something
like this  - https://www.fs.com/products/71586.html   

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2022 8:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] MUX Monitor port

 

Fiber multiplexers usually have a monitor port and 1%-5% of the light is
sent to the monitor port so you can know the status of each wave.

 

That's all well and good, but what device can I plug into the monitor port
if I actually want to monitor them?  I have an OPM of course, but is there a
network managed, SNMP capable device that I can get for this?

 

It must exist, but my Google Fu is not working.

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[AFMUG] USF removal on P2P links?

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

I know some of you guys are also using p2p links for peering and such,  I
recall seeing someone's advertisement saying "order a p2p with us and stop
paying the USF".  Digging into it more it looks like if you can confirm its
internet traffic USF wouldn't apply to the links.  

 

Hopefully someone on the list has more info.  We have likely wasted a
hundred grand + over the years and as we bump all of our links to 100G its
only going to sky rocket.   

 

Thanks!


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Win 11

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

but I do find it funny,  I loaded windows 11 on the kids computers and they 
hate it (4x kids 9-16)  and its fun to come back with “ok boomers, can’t keep 
up with new software and want everything to stay the same???”   

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 6:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Win 11

 

and some might argue Windows 7 was the best.

 

bp


On 11/3/2022 5:03 PM, Daniel Pautz via AF wrote:

Nahhh ’97 rocked

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Win 11

 

All the odd Windows suck.

 

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 6:00 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

and??

 

bp


On 11/3/2022 1:08 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You realize 11 is an odd number...right?

 

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

New computer.  No desktop icons.  Second day of trying fixes.  Can live without 
desktop icons if I have to but this is nuts.  Hundreds of articles on the 
interwebs suggesting fixes.  So far none have worked for me.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Win 11

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Nahhh ’97 rocked

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Win 11

 

All the odd Windows suck.

 

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 6:00 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

and??

 

bp


On 11/3/2022 1:08 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You realize 11 is an odd number...right?

 

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

New computer.  No desktop icons.  Second day of trying fixes.  Can live without 
desktop icons if I have to but this is nuts.  Hundreds of articles on the 
interwebs suggesting fixes.  So far none have worked for me.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Too late,  it's a thing.  Getting it more and more from the oddest places.  


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2022 11:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

Got my first email where the sender listed their pronouns.
It was from the clerk of the Utah court of appeals.
She/Her/Hers

I hope this does not become a thing.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Cisco used to make actual WIFI phones way back when,  seems like a great
idea for a well covered building.  But I haven't seen much lately.
Grandstream stuff seems to be DECT 6

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2022 11:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

 

I guess it is DECT 6.0

Are there sip cordless phones that use wifi?

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 11:41 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

 

Before I google, I ask the borg.

I need to have some kind of phone that I can put in my pocket or clip to my
belt.

It would be connected to my office asterisk.  I would like some kind of blue
tooth earpiece too.

 

This is so I can catch calls when I am the only one here.  

I remember back in the day, the DECT 5.0 phones had really nice range.  So I
will probably search for those.

And I will probably feed it off of an ATA.  

 

I do not want to call forward to my cell phone.  People come and go all day
along around here so I never know if the office is unattended for short
intervals when I am out on the shop floor or in the back lot.  I just want a
phone that will ring along with all the other phones if I choose to turn it
on.  

 

Anyone have a better solution?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

I thought the star trek one was Pioneer 1?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 3:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

Nope, did you not watch Star Trek?

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 3:06 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

The Voyager probes don't use solar; they are nuke powered. There is pretty much 
no actual sun out where they are now anyway. Their EOL is coming around pretty 
darn soon though.

 

bp


On 8/31/2022 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I was taught, many years ago, that minority (might have been majority) charge 
carrier migration in semiconductors would render them useless in 20 years.  
Also solar panels are supposed to wear out in 20 years.  And cosmic rays kill 
all semiconductors.  etc etc  Danged good modulation they are using whatever it 
is.  I think it was some kind of pseudo random noise code but I may be wrong 
about that.  A professor in an analog class told me that almost 40 years ago.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

I’d bet a smaller codebase helps.  No gigabytes of libraries to debug.

 

But yeah, if something I built lasted 45 years in outer space I’d pat myself on 
the back a bit.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

This space vehicle launched 45 years ago started sending garbage telemetry.  
The folks running that show figured it was routing the data through a known 
defective computer.  

 

So they commanded it to switch to the good computer and they got good 
telemetry.  

 

Talk about latency... 16 hours.  

 

So 45 (more likely 55) year old hardware running an OS that old is still 
essentially rocks solid.  So are the transmitters and receivers and other RF 
components allowing communication clear out into deep space.  

 

Damn, those engineers and coders must be proud of the job they did.  

 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

I read this a few years back.   
https://www.universetoday.com/142802/nasa-has-figured-out-how-to-extend-the-lives-of-the-voyagers-even-longer/

 

They launched making 470 watts and down to a whopping 270 watts in 2011

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

baby nuke=thermal generator, pu based..?

On 8/31/22 10:23 AM, Daniel Pautz via AF wrote:

Though these two guys didn’t have solar panels,  good old baby nuke on board.  

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:13 AM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Chuck McCown  <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

I was taught, many years ago, that minority (might have been majority) charge 
carrier migration in semiconductors would render them useless in 20 years.  
Also solar panels are supposed to wear out in 20 years.  And cosmic rays kill 
all semiconductors.  etc etc  Danged good modulation they are using whatever it 
is.  I think it was some kind of pseudo random noise code but I may be wrong 
about that.  A professor in an analog class told me that almost 40 years ago.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

I’d bet a smaller codebase helps.  No gigabytes of libraries to debug.

 

But yeah, if something I built lasted 45 years in outer space I’d pat myself on 
the back a bit.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

This space vehicle launched 45 years ago started sending garbage telemetry.  
The folks running that show figured it was routing the data through a known 
defective computer.  

 

So they commanded it to switch to the good computer and they got good 
telemetry.  

 

Talk about latency... 16 hours.  

 

So 45 (more likely 55) year old hardware running an OS that old is still 
essentially rocks solid.  So are the transmitters and receivers and other RF 
components allowing communication clear out into deep space.  

 

Damn, those engineers and coders must be proud of the job they did.  

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Though these two guys didn’t have solar panels,  good old baby nuke on board.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:13 AM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

I was taught, many years ago, that minority (might have been majority) charge 
carrier migration in semiconductors would render them useless in 20 years.  
Also solar panels are supposed to wear out in 20 years.  And cosmic rays kill 
all semiconductors.  etc etc  Danged good modulation they are using whatever it 
is.  I think it was some kind of pseudo random noise code but I may be wrong 
about that.  A professor in an analog class told me that almost 40 years ago.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

I’d bet a smaller codebase helps.  No gigabytes of libraries to debug.

 

But yeah, if something I built lasted 45 years in outer space I’d pat myself on 
the back a bit.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Voyager

 

This space vehicle launched 45 years ago started sending garbage telemetry.  
The folks running that show figured it was routing the data through a known 
defective computer.  

 

So they commanded it to switch to the good computer and they got good 
telemetry.  

 

Talk about latency... 16 hours.  

 

So 45 (more likely 55) year old hardware running an OS that old is still 
essentially rocks solid.  So are the transmitters and receivers and other RF 
components allowing communication clear out into deep space.  

 

Damn, those engineers and coders must be proud of the job they did.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

At 30k you are getting into the big boy stuff.   I want to say our most recent 
500KW cummins purchase (only a few years old) was in the 50k range.   Smaller 
units are a good bit cheaper.  These are higher end units that are tanks.  Easy 
to set up remote start with a decent ATS (also cheap)  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 6:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for under 
$30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full work day 
on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't want to rely 
on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override and a massive 50 
amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power and generator failed.  

 

That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago and 
the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on battery at 4am 
with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our guys ran the 50 amp 
plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and we were safe with 1 
hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning unit with a long pipe to 
vent outside.  

 

So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4 layers of 
backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm glad I planned 
for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!  So nobody was down 
(except people on our tower) and I was able to go and enjoy my vacation.  

 

Can't stress enough to have multiple options!

 

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the control 
wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the new 
generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be too 
small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for these 
things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice the wall 
space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what the transfer 
switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the wall.  

 

Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue other 
than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would fail and it 
would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted all the sites 
with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.  Especially after they 
exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to installing the starting 
batteries inside the climate controlled area and adding a high quality battery 
maintainer to them.  That battery is the weakest link in the whole system.

 

Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.  That 
is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I once 
installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external wall 
mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the generator 
could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device on that would 
only allow one AC to run under generator power.  

 

I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to the 
site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs if they 
discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise cycles).  

 

From: Chris Fabien 

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

 

Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style generac. 
Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to upgrade to dual 
larger generators.  

 

Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used larger 
liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building has 200A 
single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense. 

 

I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the 
controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the correct 
transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly universal. Have 
only installed whole kits from generac before. 

 

Thanks for any input. 

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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Ha,   I have to admit your replies give me chuckles 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

are these shower cams? those need good resolution

 

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM Zach Underwood mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes we are getting paid, this is managed wifi site so we have agreement with 
the site owner it is like a 300 unit site.

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> > wrote:

Hey, someone else is paying for your new 10G pipe.

I have one of these whales.  They wanted 2Gbps to a remote location that they 
use for offsite backup.

We got a 5Gbps connection to our cabinet out front and we are running FTTH from 
there.  

 

We are getting paid to extend our network.  I can’t complain.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
  http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

Here is the vendor they are using https://www.rhombus.com/cameras/ all of the 
wired poe. Unfortunately I am just an engineer and upper management said we 
will support it. I mean we are getting 10gb EPL back to the datacenter in a 
carrier hotel so we have the bandwidth but it feels so wrong to set this up.

 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:56 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they using.  Or are they 
just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm guessing next you'll say that they're 
all going to all be WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned a single Linksys 
WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run them all just fine.  

On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Send the quote.  Hope for the best.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
  http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

 

I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a request 
for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor. Yeah fill 
out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud only based system. 
They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a 
total of just under 800mbps of upload.  

 

This is not a good use for the "cloud" 


 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Sadly I am a all or nothing type when it comes to sweets, same with bread.  
Pretty much banned from the house most days.  

 

There are a lot of studies that show Metformin does bring a ton of benefits 
besides the insulin resistance.  Its one of the first meds in the long lifers 
guide book.  

 

From: Chuck McCown  
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

 

I just eat a single bite of whatever they bring.  I do need a tiny bit of carbs 
in the middle of most days to perk me up.  Hopefully I can get totally off 
Metformin and jardiance.  Jardiance does also help with BP too.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 24, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:



Such a pain in the butt to get started but once moving it sure cuts the damn 
sugar cravings.   I find the outside family members keep killing it for me,  
get a few weeks then bday,  or some family member comes over and has some crazy 
awesome looking carb filled dinner that I can’t resist.   

 

Another thing if you can get your DR to prescribe Ozampic, Trulicity or the 
other new one,  those do wonders to a1c and if worked right you can get them 
without being diabetic.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Keto

 

Had to get back on keto hard as I had been slipping/being weak willed and my 
A1C got up in the 7s again.  I know how to get it back into the 5s.  It is very 
easy.  Just will take some time.  This time around I am doing almost a 
carnivore version of keto. ( I don’t really like meat.)

 

Unexpected and nice result is that my BP is lower than when I was in my 20s.  
Hope it stays that way, will really help out the next time I have to get my DOT 
or airmans medical.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Such a pain in the butt to get started but once moving it sure cuts the damn 
sugar cravings.   I find the outside family members keep killing it for me,  
get a few weeks then bday,  or some family member comes over and has some crazy 
awesome looking carb filled dinner that I can’t resist.   

 

Another thing if you can get your DR to prescribe Ozampic, Trulicity or the 
other new one,  those do wonders to a1c and if worked right you can get them 
without being diabetic.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Keto

 

Had to get back on keto hard as I had been slipping/being weak willed and my 
A1C got up in the 7s again.  I know how to get it back into the 5s.  It is very 
easy.  Just will take some time.  This time around I am doing almost a 
carnivore version of keto. ( I don’t really like meat.)

 

Unexpected and nice result is that my BP is lower than when I was in my 20s.  
Hope it stays that way, will really help out the next time I have to get my DOT 
or airmans medical.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Ha,  won’t be long before those guys are lower than the cost of the xconnect in 
the bigger datacenters.   Its just a pitty they don’t go  that low on 
aggregated commits (cogent comes close but HE hates burstable ports).  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

 

DIA@ a data center is usually called transit, DIA would usually include a local 
loop which is most of the expense. 

 

HE and Cogent are down in the $500s now, and sometimes transport can be had sub 
2k making for a reasonably priced 10G "dia" to a rural location. 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Ouchy, my 10 Gig DIA was $600 I think.  Transport was $1900 I think.  So $2500 
all in.  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

 

Mike; notwithstanding ASE or legacy products they only sell waves, they just 
call them EPLs lol 

 

Bill; a wave is just a ptp circuit but rides directly on fiber using DWDM 
channels the "colors" but you only need grey light (1310) to talk to the waves 
(they use a converter) some carriers sell alien waves which are native dwdm all 
the way to your equipment. 

 

Chuck; nothing market shattering, it's a ICB fish market depending on the 
region, the end points, sales quotas and the angle of the sun that day. 

DIA  $1000-1700/1g, 3000-5000/10g, in a DC 10G ~$2000-2500

10g waves $1200-$3000

 

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 7:24 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Waves or Ethernet? I didn't know AT&T sold waves.



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From: "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:16:00 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

Hey guys,

 

We have a direct carrier agreement for our wisp, part of keeping that going is 
having new sales revenue, I primarily buy for my own network but occasionally I 
have helped friends and fellow list members. Let me know if anything is of 
interest to you when you are ready to buy! 

 

Att 10/100g waves are pretty competitive (or competitive for at&t)

 

MPLS (ASE) competitive in contrast to retail and you get a free 1 or 10g 
aggregation port at your noc/colo (40% commit required), cool thing is you can 
order remote connections back to this port on att or any major lec/mso in all 
50 states! similar deal available with Comcast

 

DIA

att/comcast slight discount & usually a free month

 

Thank you,

 

TJ Trout

Volt Broadband

AS62809

 

 

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Women?  sur

 

But yeah  the big multiline bbs’s were pretty fun,  huge party chats.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

BBS was our social media back in the day.  Especially when we had BBS with 2 
lines so we could chat.   Hooked up with a few women actually that way .. its 
true

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 11:47 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

My kids like those but I think they’re one of the worst candies every made

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

nerds

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.

 

I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had like 
all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI hard 
drive.

 

There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the 
software “guy” updated every now and then.

 

I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some stuff.

 

Fun times!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] BBS

 

 

Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars 

 

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net> >
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

 

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet :)   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

 

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.   

 

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Door Access Control System (self-install, self-hosted)

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

We use credoid  here,  pretty cheap.  Picked up HID stuff on ebay super cheap 
to make a system here (about a dozen doors, some with both nfc and pin and some 
just nfc / hid).  

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Door Access Control System (self-install, self-hosted)

 

Before I get pissed and just make something (which is how many of my products 
start).

 

Is there a good door access system which meets the following requirements:

 

1) I can actually buy as a mere mortal and not a "security system installer"

2) Is self-hosted and doesn't require an internet connection to operate

3) Supports both keypad and NFC card and/or phone access

 

Mainly I'm looking for a good old-fashioned door access system where I can put 
a door controller in and put a latch lock on the door and have staff come and 
go either with some sort of NFC access or have a keypad to enter (if someone 
forgets their NFC or for third-party access to the facility where needed).

 

It seems like either I have to be an installer, or it has to be an 
internet-connected thing, or has a monthly fee.   

 

I am aware of the unifi stuff from UBNT, not sure how I feel about that, but if 
I don't find another option, I'll give that a try.   If someone has that in 
place, let me know as I'm curious how well it works.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet :)   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

 

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.   

 

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

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Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Anyone use it? Just curious. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Anyone use it? Just curious. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Would you allow Tor exit node hosting in your AS?

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

If you do,  get ready for the DOJ / homeland security, FBI and everyone else 
subpoena’s at some point.   Not work the hassle in my mind as there is so much 
abuse.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: Would you allow Tor exit node hosting in your AS?

 

Hmmm

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:22 PM

To: Isaac Grover, Aileron I.T. 

Subject: Re: Would you allow Tor exit node hosting in your AS?

 

No thanks.  

 

From: Isaac Grover, Aileron I.T. 

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:20 PM

To: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: Would you allow Tor exit node hosting in your AS?

 

Good afternoon from Wisconsin,

 

Given the political upheaval in many countries right now, my friends and I are 
looking to spin up some Tor exit nodes so the citizens of these repressed 
countries can keep in touch with their families abroad and access unbiased 
independent news sources.

 

Do you allow hosting of Tor exit nodes for TCP ports 80 and 443 in your AS 
(autonomous system)?  Please let me know, and thank you in advance.  :)

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing on

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Wow  finally not going directly to spam (on email hosted on google)  


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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Yeah  soo many houses of here in northern utah with their square radios 
still on them.  They never went back and pulled them.  Just poof

 

Saw some local small WSIPs come in and yank / use their backhaul gear which I 
think was pretty pricey 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 12:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

 

Vivint tried that and gave up

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 10:36 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, as far as I can see, you pretty much need to have some kind of an 
agreement with any customer you put a distribution node on to keep that gear 
running. Just sticking distribution nodes on any customer's house where it 
makes sense sounds like a great way to build a network, in theory, but in 
practice it's going to cause yourself a lot of problems if you don't have 
something in place to keep them from cancelling service or randomly unplugging 
it when they decide to clean the house or go on vacation and that sort of thing.

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:23 AM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One thing that I am hearing about the mesh functionality with Siklu and CnWave 
is that it works great. But when one puts gear on a customer premise and that 
becomes a backhaul to other cpe's how do you manage the system when the 
customer at the first "backhaul" decides to quit, power off their equipment, or 
move things cause the gear is on their house? I assume that once you tell the 
customer that they are a backhaul, then do you give them free or reduced 
service in order to keep that gear on? What if they leave you and strand 15 
other clients behind them? You are screwed and it is a fundamentally flawed 
system in my opinion.

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 8:18 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Mike was in Phoenix last few weeks...will follow up with him..

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 8:15 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not yet...

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 5:12 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Jaime -

 

Have you heard anything on this?


On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu ptmp for 
the Tigua Indian Reservation..

 

 

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their equipment 
works well. Thanks.

 

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort Bliss 
years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's or 
Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff..

The Siklus worked great..

 

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie  
wrote:

I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a 
multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in 
this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but I'm 
not sure what differentiates them.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Data Center Construction

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

So true,  when you actually use bandwidth (which is now actually stupid
cheap) the prices skyrocket.  We have had a number of people move back when
it ended up costing many times more than their colo or rented server setup.
Then there will always be the companies that don't trust it and want to be
on their own hardware.  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 8:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Data Center Construction

I think a lot of companies are finding out how expensive the cloud model
really is.   Things get very expensive very fast when you really get
serious.

Mark

> On Feb 1, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> There was an article in the paper this morning talking about how one of
the Chicago suburbs just approved construction of it's 13th datacenter
development.  I though the demand for 'private' data center space would be
going down since it seems that most companies are going with cloud services
from major providers.  And if a smaller outfit wanted a Rack of equipment,
they'd host it themselves or find someplace local to do it, not some massive
DC building miles from their office.  Or do the big providers
(Azure/google/AWS) actually host things in these private DC's instead of
building their own space.
> 
> The previous under construction development in Elk Grove Village is a $1B
4 building DC facility, but I never saw any big name associated with it.
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Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

The one thing I will say between the two of them (we have multi 100G ports with 
both HE, Cogent and a dozen other providers).  The only way to get good prices 
with HE is on fixed ports,  Cogent and most other providers allow bursting / 
aggregated setups which saves a ton of money if you need ports in multi 
locations.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2022 6:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

 

In our case, we had a 10gig HE unpaid peering direct.  Our customers backup 
provider, providing around 500 meg had a paid transit to HE, they sent ALL 
traffic to the paid transit, though another AS.   They ALWAYS prefer their paid 
transits, even over direct peering’s.   I have only seen this on HEs network…  

 

 



Dennis Burgess


Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 

Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 

Office: 314-735-0270  Website:   
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Need MikroTik Cloud Management:   
https://cloud.linktechs.net 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

 

The default for any carrier is to send the traffic where you get paid vs those 
that you don't.



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Mike Hammett
 

 Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
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From: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:06:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

Ya, like HE always preferring paid peers over free.  That has came up a few 
times.  

 

 



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 

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Office: 314-735-0270  Website:   
http://www.linktechs.net 

Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 
  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson (Lists)
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

 

As with anything there are good and bad.  

 

Both do some heavy traffic manipulation. Cogent is not very open-internet 
friendly.  They do not peer with folks so their entire network is pay to peer.  
This can result in some congestion at major points. Some of the major 
de-peering events have been due to AT&T and others de-peering with cogent 
because of Cogent wanting money to peer.

 

Most of Hurricane’s network is either Telia Upstream or peering.  This can 
result in some issues as well.

 

There is no such thing as a perfect backbone/upstream/transit provider.  They 
all have issues.  What you want it diversity.  When talking to them ask about 
their routes in and out of your location.  How much capacity do they have? Are 
they taking the same routes as everyone else?

 

Many of the xISPs I see do a blend of Cogent, Hurricane and peering on an IX or 
two. If they want to add some extra diversity they can add in an AT&T, Verizon, 
or other ILEC.  With peering they typically don’t need to as a lot o the 
traffic gets shoved off to a good peering fabric.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

I have a feeling this is just the start.  I haven’t heard much more about 
amazon street?  Whatever their share everyones connection was.  Then good old 
comcast and the free wifi usage (but I get those are home broadband setups).
Now to see when android setups have something like the Air Tags.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2021 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

 

So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random persons 
data plan?

I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky way of 
getting a free ride.  

 

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 

Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

 

The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to the 
tracking service.  

Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.

 

It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging enough 
“air time” to report home.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

 

Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity to the 
world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but that isnt 
worth anything over distance.

 

I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them on the 
equipment.  But I need a better understanding.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Welcome to the new norm,  right?   

 

Its hard to imagine it back to 2019.  Can’t get people to show for interviews / 
work at more than double the pay of 2019,  something like 40 container ships 
sitting in SoCal oceans,  saw NYC / east coast is getting backed up,  etc.
Holiday stuff is going to be a blast / expensive.

 

Dan

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 4:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues

 

I'm getting really tired of dealing with supply chain issues.   Like burnt out, 
don't want to do this anymore, I've had enough tired.  

 

Just the things I'm dealing with today:

 

The last few days, all of my spare time has been related to reviewing options 
to replace a part which has become unobtainum.   Like as in, manufacturer has 
moved from a long lead time to 'don't bother asking'.   This seems to happen on 
a recurring basis now (with different parts) - versus pre-covid it was maybe 
once every year or two (since I'm careful to select parts to avoid this issue). 
  I've had one part I've had to switch vendors on like 6 times now.   

 

And it's not just parts, my enclosure manufacturer for the rackinjectors sent 
us this gem today:

 

"We had the enclosures ready for pickup since last week, but our road is under 
maintenance and the whole street got ripped off. My forklift is not able to get 
off from our driveway to the road because the step is very steep. I heard the 
city will start paving tomorrow. Hopefully we can load the pallet by Wednesday."

 

Can we please go back to the way it was in 2019 sometime soon?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT border control

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Yeah,  Utah is nuts labor market wise.   We can’t even fill a basic “take the 
trash out and mop floors”  $15-17 position.   

 

But with the prices you just listed,  it makes me wonder if we will even fill 
the basic computer tech roles anymore.   Something will have to give soon 
enough.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT border control

 

I saw an ad today for a Utah job, driving forklift stocking shelves in a 
warehouse.  $30/hour

That is how bad it is in Utah.  Another billboard right up the street from me 
has an entry level labor job listed at $29/hour.

Another billboard on 1-15 over in the SLC valley has a job listing 4 weeks paid 
vacation for entry level people.  

 

At least the lumber prices are coming down.  Looks like plastic is too.  

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:17 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT border control

 

I would love to see an easy worker visa.  Pass a background check, get 6 
months.  Renews every 6 months as long as you keep your nose clean.

 

I had to shut down my microtrenching operation due to the fact that I could not 
hire enough to keep it running and making money at the same time.   

 

I needed at least 22-25 on a crew and we were chronically at the 15-18 person 
level.  Toward the end I would hire anyone that would actually show for an 
interview.  We would have 25 apply and most agree to an interview, lucky if one 
actually showed up and half of them were a no call no show the first day of 
work.  So sick of white millennials with no driver’s licenses that have to take 
off mid week for drug court/meeting/testing etc.I was all for giving them a 
leg up and learning a career but you can’t run a company with nothing but that 
for your hiring pool.  

 

I actually had a Hispanic guy offer to hook me up with a “group” that would 
promise lots of good workers.  A small regular contribution was required... I 
turned down that generous offer...

 

The microtrenching crews that are 100% Mexican or 100% poly are kicking butt.  

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:08 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT border control

 

Humm, I thought the caption was funny.  Did not expect to touch a nerve.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:06 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT border control

 

Those are saguaros in the background...so that picture is wrong...on so many 
levels.. 

Whipping people off horseback is reminiscent of how Texas Rangers treated 
Mexicans and Native Americans into the 1900s...

The folks already across the river are on US soil and have rights.

Biden isn't scoring points...unlike Trumpicans, i call it as i see it...you 
fuck up, i call it... Trumpabbot is a fucking Taliban like moron...

Mexico is flying them out of area now to asylum compound south and also flying 
some back to Haiti ...

It's a sad situation...

And to all those so called GOP bible thumpers...not very Christ like...

Bad situation all around..

Fire retardant suit on...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

Wasn't the big Provo, Ut network passed on to google for $1?   I am sure
there is a ton to that story  but that is the first one to come to mind.   

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 5:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures

Does anyone know a compiled list of community broadband projects that have
received federal funds then failed or got sold off?

One of the counties in our service area is in the process of 'thinking about
building a fiber network that we(they) will run ourselves'  We're looking
for examples we can give them where the government built then network, but
was then unable to continue to run it, or it didn't play out the way they
expected.

Here in Illinois, another county just recently transferred their BTOP funded
Fiber network to a private entity because they were convinced they didn't
want to run it anymore (there's more to the story, but that's the long and
short from what I gather)  There's gotta be stories like this all over, has
there been a list compiled somewhere?

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