Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

BBDG6 at the moment.
Dont see a real need for 6e yet


On 10/1/20 10:13 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

Do you use the BBDG6 or BBDG6e

On 10/1/2020 10:09 AM, dave wrote:

We use ptp650 and ptp670.
450i
PMP450 did not have a metal grommet it was plastic so the ground kit 
was the only way to get energy pulled off cable.

The ground screw was the only thing to ground the radio.

I have not looked back since using the CAT6 bbdge cable with the 
ground kits



On 10/1/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in 
the bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about 
ground kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so 
that about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel 
grommet that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I 
have an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the 
shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back 
when it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units. I remember it 
being a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 
14.7mhz and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our 
cables that pass through their array. They want to run at 5-6kw, 
and we start having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are 
hoping that if we change to the BBDGE cable with lots of 
Grounding, it will fix the problems.  Already have Coils at the 
top and bottom on Beldon7919 cable.  That got us from 400w failure 
to 2kw failure.




















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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Thats it...
Cambium has it in their parts  db now
I did not think I would like them but so far so good.


On 10/1/20 12:10 PM, Daniel White wrote:

Sounds like this:

https://www.sitepro1.com/reader/web/viewer.php?link=../../resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/GKCAT5.pdf

I used something more along the lines of this in the past (although it 
was for just 1/2" cable not "universal")


https://www.sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UGT5.pdf

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dave 
October 1, 2020 at 09:05
Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first 
but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion.

Here is that part number
N82L173

It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the 
half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape.

looks good when done right.


On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote:



Daniel White 
September 30, 2020 at 15:49
To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the 
cable.  Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard 
LMR-400 kits.


Nate Burke 
September 30, 2020 at 09:44
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.









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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Daniel White]

Sounds like this:

https://www.sitepro1.com/reader/web/viewer.php?link=../../resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/GKCAT5.pdf

I used something more along the lines of this in the past (although it
was for just 1/2" cable not "universal")

https://www.sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UGT5.pdf

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> dave 
> October 1, 2020 at 09:05
> Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first
> but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion.
> Here is that part number
> N82L173
>
> It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the
> half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape.
> looks good when done right.
>
>  
> On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>
>
>
> Daniel White 
> September 30, 2020 at 15:49
> To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the
> cable.  Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard
> LMR-400 kits.
>
> Nate Burke 
> September 30, 2020 at 09:44
> Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an
> application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.
>
> Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span
> grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?
>
> It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when
> it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a
> pain to field terminate.
>
> One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz
> and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that
> pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start
> having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we
> change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the
> problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919
> cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Nate Burke]

Do you use the BBDG6 or BBDG6e

On 10/1/2020 10:09 AM, dave wrote:

We use ptp650 and ptp670.
450i
PMP450 did not have a metal grommet it was plastic so the ground kit 
was the only way to get energy pulled off cable.

The ground screw was the only thing to ground the radio.

I have not looked back since using the CAT6 bbdge cable with the 
ground kits



On 10/1/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in 
the bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so 
that about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the 
shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back 
when it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it 
being a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.

















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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

We use ptp650 and ptp670.
450i
PMP450 did not have a metal grommet it was plastic so the ground kit was 
the only way to get energy pulled off cable.

The ground screw was the only thing to ground the radio.

I have not looked back since using the CAT6 bbdge cable with the ground kits


On 10/1/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in 
the bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so 
that about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw. They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.













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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first 
but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion.

Here is that part number
N82L173

It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the 
half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape.

looks good when done right.



On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote:
To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the 
cable. Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard 
LMR-400 kits.


photograph  
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Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Nate Burke 
September 30, 2020 at 09:44
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.









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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Nate Burke]

So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in the 
bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so that 
about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.










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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Bill,
 Get CAT6 BBDGE so you can use the passthru connectors. We started 
using it last year and love it.


On 9/30/20 11:23 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I've found armored cable virtually impossible to do a quality 
termination on. I've wondered if it would be better to terminate them 
"close" to the endpoint with a small punch block inside an enclosure, 
then finish the job with something a bit easier to do a decent RJ45 
termination on?


Something  like this: 
https://www.zoro.com/hubbell-premise-wiring-wiring-block-6-pair-6-x-6-block-size-hpw66b36/i/G1448291/feature-product?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks


bp


On 9/30/2020 8:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.








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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so that 
about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an 
application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a 
pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.






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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Daniel White]

To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the
cable.  Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard
LMR-400 kits.

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> Nate Burke 
> September 30, 2020 at 09:44
> Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an
> application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.
>
> Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span
> grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?
>
> It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when
> it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a
> pain to field terminate.
>
> One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz
> and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that
> pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start
> having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we
> change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the
> problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919
> cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Ken Hohhof]

For what you are trying to accomplish, the old Orthogon/Motorola/Cambium 
"grounding gland" approach might work better, if it's a radio that can accept 
the metal gland that actually connects to the shield on the cable.  Note that 
BBDGE does not have a "drain wire".

I believe I have successfully terminated BBDGE with the type of shielded 
connector that has a strain relief that crimps around the cable, like from 
Sentinel or L-Com.  The inner jacket on BBDGE is quite soft, not sure if that's 
a blessing or a curse.  Also the marshallow fluff inside the cable tends to get 
into everything, expect the body of the connector to fill up with fluff.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

I've found armored cable virtually impossible to do a quality termination on. 
I've wondered if it would be better to terminate them "close" to the endpoint 
with a small punch block inside an enclosure, then finish the job with 
something a bit easier to do a decent RJ45 termination on?

Something  like this: 
https://www.zoro.com/hubbell-premise-wiring-wiring-block-6-pair-6-x-6-block-size-hpw66b36/i/G1448291/feature-product?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks

bp


On 9/30/2020 8:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an 
> application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.
>
> Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
> grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?
>
> It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
> it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a 
> pain to field terminate.
>
> One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
> and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
> pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
> having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
> change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
> problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
> cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Bill Prince]

I've found armored cable virtually impossible to do a quality 
termination on. I've wondered if it would be better to terminate them 
"close" to the endpoint with a small punch block inside an enclosure, 
then finish the job with something a bit easier to do a decent RJ45 
termination on?


Something  like this: 
https://www.zoro.com/hubbell-premise-wiring-wiring-block-6-pair-6-x-6-block-size-hpw66b36/i/G1448291/feature-product?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks


bp


On 9/30/2020 8:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an 
application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a 
pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.






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[AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[Nate Burke]

Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an 
application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when it 
had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a pain 
to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz and 
it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that pass 
through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start having 
problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we change to 
the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the problems.  
Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 cable.  That got 
us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.




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