Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
Ours is Faxback based. Phaxio is another one. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 12:38 > What HTTPS solution are you using? > > On 11/19/2021 1:16 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > November 19, 2021 at 12:16 > If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an > awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we > have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. > > Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:57 > I just ran into this yesterday. > I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the > end point of the conveyance of the information? > > IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. > > Them doctors loves their faxes. > > First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of > doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. > I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few > days of trying. > The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. > > I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. > > Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:02 > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 10:38 > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
On 11/19/21 11:16 AM, Daniel White wrote: If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. I actually wrote a HTTP fax gateway for a customer once. Send it PDFs and a phone number, and it would feed it into hylafax/asterisk to fax it. Worked great. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yes, but for that you need to physically go outside their building. For badly-secured devices on the internet, they can be hacked from next door as easily as Eastern Europe. And there are many wily people in the latter. On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:01 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > *nods* Not as secure. Ya know, I can TLS end to end, but I can also stick > a 30 year old tape recorder on the phone line NID at the business and > record your fax. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 12:57:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I just ran into this yesterday. > I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end > point of the conveyance of the information? > > IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. > > Them doctors loves their faxes. > > First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I > talked them into swinging everything to me. > I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days > of trying. > The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. > > I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. > > Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital > signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is > via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then > it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers > digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should > all be just entered right into the customers digital file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > For some, it's because they're old. > > For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, > medical, etc.). > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > Why do people fax anything in 2021? > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www
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What HTTPS solution are you using? On 11/19/2021 1:16 PM, Daniel White wrote: If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> November 19, 2021 at 11:57 I just ran into this yesterday. I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end point of the conveyance of the information? IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. Them doctors loves their faxes. First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of trying. The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. *From:* Brian Webster *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> November 19, 2021 at 11:02 I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> November 19, 2021 at 10:38 One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> November 19, 2021 at 10:33 For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Jay Weekley" *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
An epson work force all-in-one are pretty cheap. Think I paid around $100 for it, new. They get ya on the ink sales. The fax is decent On 11/19/21 11:16, Daniel White wrote: If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> November 19, 2021 at 11:57 I just ran into this yesterday. I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end point of the conveyance of the information? IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. Them doctors loves their faxes. First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of trying. The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. *From:* Brian Webster *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> November 19, 2021 at 11:02 I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> November 19, 2021 at 10:38 One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> November 19, 2021 at 10:33 For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Jay Weekley" *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're goi
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If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:57 > I just ran into this yesterday. > I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the > end point of the conveyance of the information? > > IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. > > Them doctors loves their faxes. > > First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of > doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. > I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few > days of trying. > The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. > > I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. > > Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:02 > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 10:38 > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > November 19, 2021 at 10:33 > For some, it's because they're old. > > For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, > medical, etc.). > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.
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*nods* Not as secure. Ya know, I can TLS end to end, but I can also stick a 30 year old tape recorder on the phone line NID at the business and record your fax. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:57:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I just ran into this yesterday. I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end point of the conveyance of the information? IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. Them doctors loves their faxes. First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of trying. The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------ > *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com > *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/
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I just ran into this yesterday. I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end point of the conveyance of the information? IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. Them doctors loves their faxes. First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of trying. The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com > *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Jay Weekley" <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Nate Burke" <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > *To: *"Animal Farm" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Jay Weekley" *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Nate Burke" > *To: *"Animal Farm" > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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All my fax customers requiring physical machines are Pharmacies faxing prescriptions, CPA's dealing with the IRS, Car Dealers doing Financing, and Realtors doing who knows what. I do have one auto repair guy that wanted a real fax machine so he could scribble out a sketch on a piece of paper and fax it to his supplier. I'm pretty sure 100% of the need for a real fax machine is the ease of scribbling it on a piece of paper and sending it. Instead of scanning and then emailing. Everyone else uses Email<->fax and is super happy with that. On 11/19/2021 11:24 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed and just not freaking deal with it anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Nate Burke" *To: *"Animal Farm" *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------ > *From: *"Nate Burke" > *To: *"Animal Farm" > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed and just not freaking deal with it anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Nate Burke" *To: *"Animal Farm" *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed and just not freaking deal with it anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Kijiji On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:50 AM Nate Burke wrote: > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Fax Machines
I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
