Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Christopher Tyler]

I can answer that question. Don't do it. Grey market gear will end up costing 
you almost as much as getting it used (possibly new) from a dealer. And the 
hoops you have to jump through to get software updates on grey market is 
obscene. You have pay several thousand to get it re-certified by Juniper to get 
into a service contract and then you have to pay for the service contract.

-- 
Christopher Tyler
Senior Network Engineer
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE

Total Highspeed Internet Solutions
1091 W. Kathryn Street
Nixa, MO 65714
(417) 851-1107 x. 9002
www.totalhighspeed.com

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 4:06:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

> In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed 
> software
> features and it seems to only be getting worse. Some features (on *some*
> platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license. You can
> purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller. I'm not sure what the process is
> for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never tried to do that.
> 
> You need an active support contract in order to download software from their
> website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now requires you to
> have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for that device iirc.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < [
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com | li...@packetflux.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about juniper
> and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates, etc.
> 
> We've been a cisco shop since day one. Over the years they've gotten more and
> more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access to
> firmware updates. At this point they seem to care less about selling hardware
> and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue as possible
> which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.
> 
> How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used 
> gear?
> And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp, reasonable
> number of ospf routes, etc) enabled. And so on.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh < [ mailto:m...@amplex.net |
> m...@amplex.net ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Not necessarily. Depending on model many have redundant routing engines,
> multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc. You may want to have spare cards and
> possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue. All
> depends on you risk tolerance.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> 419-261-5996
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler < [ 
> mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net |
> jon-ispli...@michwave.net ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current but
> smaller routers?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini < [ mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
> |
> g...@aeronetpr.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core 
> is
> MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
> 
> 
> 
> Gino Villarini
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
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> ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA ][
> http://www.aeronetpr.com/ | www.aeronetpr.com ] | Metro Office Park #18 Suite
> 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > on
> behalf of Josh Baird < [ mailto:joshba...@gmail.com | joshba...@gmail.com ] >
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> af@af.afmug.com ] >
> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> af@af.afmug.com ] >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you 
> learn
> it) than IOS in my opinion.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What is particularly fun because of this is the recent development that
cisco requires but does not sell smartnet contracts to obtain firmware for
end of lifecycle hardware.

The newer still supported hardware is subject to their aggressive software
key nightmares which requires expensive keys before it becomes useful.

This combination has led me to the point of needing to move to something
else in the near future.  Probably juniper in the core at the minimum.


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I would buy a SmartNet contract for one device of each type, and then use
> the FW on the others.  Since Cisco refused to separate hardware and
> software maintenance, and I never used the hardware part, I figured it was
> fair.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Well, you gotta admit, we all have had 20 years of buying some cheap cisco
> device and then getting all the software we wanted for our used expensive
> cisco stuff.  I always felt slightly guilty doing it that way but it seemed
> to be the defacto way in the industry.  I presume they allowed it to
> stimulate the market in a particular way.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Baird
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2020 3:06 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed
> software features and it seems to only be getting worse.  Some features (on
> *some* platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license.
> You can purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller.  I'm not sure what the
> process is for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never
> tried to do that.
>
>
>
> You need an active support contract in order to download software from
> their website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now
> requires you to have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for
> that device iirc.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about
> juniper and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates,
> etc.
>
>
>
> We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten more
> and more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access
> to firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about selling
> hardware and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue
> as possible which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.
>
>
>
> How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used
> gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp,
> reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines,
> multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards
> and possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.
> All depends on you risk tolerance.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> Amplex
>
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>
> Luckey, OH 43443
>
> 419-261-5996
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our
> current but smaller routers?
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
>
> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> [image: inc500] <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>
>
> [image: fb-logo] <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>
>
> [image: insta-logo] <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>
>
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>
>
> [image: tw-logo]
> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>
>
> [image: yt-logo]
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Ken Hohhof]

I would buy a SmartNet contract for one device of each type, and then use the 
FW on the others.  Since Cisco refused to separate hardware and software 
maintenance, and I never used the hardware part, I figured it was fair.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

 

Well, you gotta admit, we all have had 20 years of buying some cheap cisco 
device and then getting all the software we wanted for our used expensive cisco 
stuff.  I always felt slightly guilty doing it that way but it seemed to be the 
defacto way in the industry.  I presume they allowed it to stimulate the market 
in a particular way.  

 

From: Josh Baird 

Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 3:06 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

 

In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed software 
features and it seems to only be getting worse.  Some features (on *some* 
platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license.  You can 
purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller.  I'm not sure what the process is 
for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never tried to do that. 

 

You need an active support contract in order to download software from their 
website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now requires you to 
have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for that device iirc.  

 

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about juniper 
and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates, etc. 

 

We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten more and 
more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access to 
firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about selling hardware 
and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue as possible 
which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.

 

How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used 
gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp, 
reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on. 

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines, 
multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards and 
possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.  All 
depends on you risk tolerance. 

 

Mark

Mark Radabaugh 

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd

Luckey, OH 43443

419-261-5996





On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote:

Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current but 
smaller routers?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 





On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core is 
MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> 

 <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> 

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Guaynabo, PR 00968 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

 

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you learn 
it) than IOS in my opinion.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.  

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:
> 
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> 
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
> 
> -- 
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net <mailto:lesm...@ecs

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[chuck]

Well, you gotta admit, we all have had 20 years of buying some cheap cisco 
device and then getting all the software we wanted for our used expensive cisco 
stuff.  I always felt slightly guilty doing it that way but it seemed to be the 
defacto way in the industry.  I presume they allowed it to stimulate the market 
in a particular way.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed software 
features and it seems to only be getting worse.  Some features (on *some* 
platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license.  You can 
purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller.  I'm not sure what the process is 
for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never tried to do that. 

You need an active support contract in order to download software from their 
website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now requires you to 
have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for that device iirc.  

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about juniper 
and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates, etc. 

  We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten more 
and more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access to 
firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about selling hardware 
and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue as possible 
which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.

  How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used 
gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp, 
reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on. 

  On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines, 
multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards and 
possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.  All 
depends on you risk tolerance. 

Mark


Mark Radabaugh 
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-261-5996


  On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler  
wrote:


  Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our 
current but smaller routers?


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:


 
Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our 
Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003



Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


 
www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 
From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers



Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once 
you learn it) than IOS in my opinion.



On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like 
compared to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth 
changing for.  

  Mark

  > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
  > 
  > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
  > 
  > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
  > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
  > myself in the foot.
  > 
  > -- 
  > Larry Smith
  > lesm...@ecsis.net
  > 
  > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
  >> Several people here use Juniper.
  >> 
  >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to 
know?
  >> 
  >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  
wrote:
  >>> Curiousity question.
  >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
  >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
  >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
  >>> in for in the conversion.
  >>> 
  >>> --
  >>> Larry Smith
  >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
  >>> 
  >>> --
  >>> AF mailing list
  &

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Ryan Ray]

At least juniper doesn’t require a constant internet connection to check in
to verify licenses. Cisco may as well shut down and just go full fledged
with Meraki now.

“Oops your bgp license expired let me just shut that off for you”

No thank you.



On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 2:07 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed
> software features and it seems to only be getting worse.  Some features (on
> *some* platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license.
> You can purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller.  I'm not sure what the
> process is for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never
> tried to do that.
>
> You need an active support contract in order to download software from
> their website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now
> requires you to have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for
> that device iirc.
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about
>> juniper and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates,
>> etc.
>>
>> We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten
>> more and more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled
>> access to firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about
>> selling hardware and are more about extracting as much license and support
>> revenue as possible which makes picking up a used router a much riskier
>> proposition.
>>
>> How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to
>> used gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp,
>> reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing
>>> engines, multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have
>>> spare cards and possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a
>>> backplane issue.  All depends on you risk tolerance.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> Amplex
>>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22690+Pemberville+Rd+Luckey,+OH+43443?entry=gmail=g>
>>> Luckey, OH 43443
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22690+Pemberville+Rd+Luckey,+OH+43443?entry=gmail=g>
>>> 419-261-5996
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our
>>> current but smaller routers?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
>>> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Baird <
>>> joshba...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once
>>> you learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like
>>> compared to the older IOS ve

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Josh Baird]

In some ways, Juniper isn't any better than Cisco in terms of licensed
software features and it seems to only be getting worse.  Some features (on
*some* platforms) are honor based, but lots are not and require a license.
You can purchase licenses from any Juniper reseller.  I'm not sure what the
process is for getting J-Care on used/grey-market gear, as I have never
tried to do that.

You need an active support contract in order to download software from
their website, although it's not as restrictive as Cisco's which now
requires you to have a contract on a specific device to get firmware for
that device iirc.

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about
> juniper and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates,
> etc.
>
> We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten more
> and more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access
> to firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about selling
> hardware and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue
> as possible which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.
>
> How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used
> gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp,
> reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on.
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines,
>> multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards
>> and possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.
>> All depends on you risk tolerance.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> 419-261-5996
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our
>> current but smaller routers?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
>> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
>> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like
>> compared to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth
>> changing for.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> >
>> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>> >
>> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
>> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
>> > myself in the foot.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Larry Smith
>> > lesm...@ecsis.net
>> >
>> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> >> Several people here use Juniper.
>> >>
>> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
>> >>> Curiousity question.
>> >>> We are gett

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Seems like a good question to ask the burning question I've had about
juniper and specifically how juniper deals with license/firmware updates,
etc.

We've been a cisco shop since day one.  Over the years they've gotten more
and more aggressive with their licensing requirements and controlled access
to firmware updates.  At this point they seem to care less about selling
hardware and are more about extracting as much license and support revenue
as possible which makes picking up a used router a much riskier proposition.

How does juniper handle this type of stuff, especially in relation to used
gear?  And in the context of getting the right software features (bgp,
reasonable number of ospf routes, etc) enabled.  And so on.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 7:39 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines,
> multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards
> and possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.
> All depends on you risk tolerance.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> 419-261-5996
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our
> current but smaller routers?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Baird <
> joshba...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared
> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing
> for.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> >
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >>
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines, 
multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards and 
possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.  All 
depends on you risk tolerance.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-261-5996

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current 
> but smaller routers?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core 
>> is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>>  
>> Gino Villarini 
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>> m: 
>>  
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>> 
>> From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
>> 
>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>>  
>> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you 
>> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>>  
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared 
>> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing 
>> for.  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> > 
>> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>> > 
>> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
>> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
>> > myself in the foot.
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Larry Smith
>> > lesm...@ecsis.net
>> > 
>> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> >> Several people here use Juniper.
>> >> 
>> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>> >> 
>> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
>> >>> Curiousity question.
>> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>> >>> in for in the conversion.
>> >>> 
>> >>> --
>> >>> Larry Smith
>> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Jon Langeler]

Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current but 
smaller routers?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core 
> is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
> m: 
>   
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>  
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you 
> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>  
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
> the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> > 
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> > 
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >> 
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Larry Smith
> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
> >>> 
> >>> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Sterling Jacobson]

After we grow a bit more I’m definitely considering upgrading to Juniper.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Longtime user of both Cisco and Juniper, prefer Juniper, though getting used to 
the hierarchical structure in JunOS takes some playing with. Nice 
troubleshooting commands, but it will take you a bit of time to figure out all 
the “Juniperisms" that are inherent in the platform (as with any other new 
platform you’d encounter). Basically as reliable as death and taxes, they kind 
of never die really.

Forums are pretty decent if you get stuck, usually help within a day or less 
from pretty knowledgeable people.


On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Larry Smith 
mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:

wondering how many here actually
use Juniper.

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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Dev]

Longtime user of both Cisco and Juniper, prefer Juniper, though getting used to 
the hierarchical structure in JunOS takes some playing with. Nice 
troubleshooting commands, but it will take you a bit of time to figure out all 
the “Juniperisms" that are inherent in the platform (as with any other new 
platform you’d encounter). Basically as reliable as death and taxes, they kind 
of never die really. 

Forums are pretty decent if you get stuck, usually help within a day or less 
from pretty knowledgeable people.

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.

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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Carl Peterson]

I've thought about it and will likely do it on the next upgrade.  We keep
our core routers and BNG in a telco room and rent a server rack in the same
DC so it would be nice to be able to extend the router over to the server
rack.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Anyone running JUnos Fusion?  Loving the feature! (converts some EX
> switches into extended interfaces of the MX router)
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared
> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing
> for.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> >
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >>
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Larry Smith
> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
> >>>
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[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone running JUnos Fusion?  Loving the feature! (converts some EX switches 
into extended interfaces of the MX router)

From: AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core is 
MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003


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From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you learn 
it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith 
> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net<mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>
>
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>>
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith 
>> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Gino A. Villarini]

Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core is 
MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you learn 
it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith 
> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
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>
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>>
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith 
>> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Josh Baird]

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
learn it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared
> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing
> for.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> >
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >>
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>>
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> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.  

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> 
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
> 
> -- 
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
> 
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>> 
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Carl Peterson]

We run juniper for Core and BNG.  Old M7is that are getting replaced by
ERPS rings, MX80s for BNG (Need to upgrade this ASAP) and MX 104 (Just does
BGP but it is SLOW) at the edge.  The 240 is always a good choice if you
have the space/power for it.  Ideally I'd run 240s as core and 204s as
BNGs.

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:

>
> Curiousity question.
> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> in for in the conversion.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

Actually older than that.  We first got the 7206(s)
(have multiple) back in the 90's as NPE-300 units.
Upgraded to NPE400's, then to G1 then to G2 units
over the years.

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On Mon December 30 2019 22:25, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Wow.  An early 2000's vintage?
>
> On 12/30/2019 5:13 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2

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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

Thanks, thought about the MX204 but got this MX240 for
a good price.

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On Mon December 30 2019 17:03, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> Also:  juniper-...@puck.nether.net  is
> a good resource.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Curiousity question.
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> > with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> > use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> > in for in the conversion.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

This first one will replace our primary backbone router

Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
myself in the foot.

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On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> Several people here use Juniper.
>
> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> > Curiousity question.
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> > with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> > use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> > in for in the conversion.
> >
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> > lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Adam Moffett]

Wow.  An early 2000's vintage?

On 12/30/2019 5:13 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2


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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Also:  juniper-...@puck.nether.net  is a 
good resource.

Mark

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> Curiousity question.
> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> in for in the conversion.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

A decent amount of us.   Unless you need legacy TDM interfaces I would look at 
MX204 instead.   Doesn’t have redundant routing engines but you can buy two (or 
more) for what a MX240 costs.

Mark

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> Curiousity question.
> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> in for in the conversion.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Josh Baird]

Several people here use Juniper.

What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:

>
> Curiousity question.
> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> in for in the conversion.
>
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[AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

Curiousity question.
We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
in for in the conversion.

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