Re: [AFMUG] Modbus TCP with Analog I/O

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Lots of options at automation direct.

I might just consider a click plc if none of the modbus only options work
for you.


On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 1:53 PM Matt  wrote:

> I am looking for an affordable ethernet TCP modbus addressed device
> with multiple Analog/Digital I/O. Preferably DIN rail mountable.
>
> Anybody know of anything?
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[AFMUG] Modbus TCP with Analog I/O

[Matt]

I am looking for an affordable ethernet TCP modbus addressed device
with multiple Analog/Digital I/O. Preferably DIN rail mountable.

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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[Adam Moffett]

That line from the vertiv manual is so cryptic.

If the there isn’t a standard set of registers for this purpose then there must 
be a specific AC meter it supports.  I don’t see one on the listed accessories 
in the literature though.

Meanwhile the same manual has explicit instructions for setting up to get data 
from a particular brand of battery controller with modbus.  On the topic of AC 
meters I just get, “oh yeah we can meters with modbus.”

I did send a message to support.  I’ll bet $5 they don’t know either.

Thanks for all the info everyone.


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From: AF  on behalf of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 4:08:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

Yes, and no.

The modbus protocol defines how to move data between two devices.  However, the 
contents of the data being passed is vendor-defined and there aren't any 
industry standards I'm aware of (although it wouldn't surprise me if there 
were).

Every vendor that produces a modbus-capable device usually publishes some sort 
of guide to the modbus registers for each device.   For instance, a quick 
google search turned up this document:

https://www.vertiv.com/4ac5f2/globalassets/products/monitoring-control-and-management/monitoring/modbus-protocol-for-bdsu-reference-guide.pdf

"modbus register map" or "modbus communication guide" or simply "modbus" when 
added to your vendor or product name often will turn up the right document.

Just FYI, A couple of years ago, I would have suggested you provide me with the 
vendor of the equipment, and I'd make you a firmware load for the sitemonitor 
serial module to be able to read this, but that codebase needs to be re-written 
to support the base 3.   At some point in the future I'm going to resume doing 
those requests in which case you'd end up with a module which pulls data from 
this device.   Doesn't help you right now though.





On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:25 AM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is it likely that AC meters for monitoring circuits or subpanels have a 
standard message format?


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Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

Modbus is an ancient serial protocol to pass values back and forth.   It’s very 
open but also somewhat vendor specific.   You can send any message you like 
from A <->B but the two devices have to know what the specific message means.   
Various industries have defined the message content but I would be somewhat 
surprised if a Vertiv rectifier knows what to do with the information from a 
meter.

Tons of information online, and it’s not a hard protocol to code for.   Used to 
do it in BASIC years ago. There are two protocols - MODBUS and MODBUS RTU.  
 The RTU protocol is much more difficult to work with due to timing 
requirements, MODBUS itself is just standard serial at a baud rate and timing 
of responses is not critical at all.

Mark




> On Oct 26, 2023, at 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett 
> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support modbus 
> over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this in the 
> manual:
>
> "e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the 
> Modbus protocol."
>
> and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized where I 
> can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this plug and 
> play or would I have to learn yet another discipline?
>
> If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech support.  Just 
> wondering if this group magically has the answer.
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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[Robert]

There are modbus libraries in at least "C" to read devices...  I read 
the modbus info from our morningstar controllers...


On 10/26/23 1:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Yes, and no.

The modbus protocol defines how to move data between two devices.  
However, the contents of the data being passed is vendor-defined and 
there aren't any industry standards I'm aware of (although it wouldn't 
surprise me if there were).


Every vendor that produces a modbus-capable device usually publishes 
some sort of guide to the modbus registers for each device.   For 
instance, a quick google search turned up this document:


https://www.vertiv.com/4ac5f2/globalassets/products/monitoring-control-and-management/monitoring/modbus-protocol-for-bdsu-reference-guide.pdf

"modbus register map" or "modbus communication guide" or simply 
"modbus" when added to your vendor or product name often will turn up 
the right document.


Just FYI, A couple of years ago, I would have suggested you provide me 
with the vendor of the equipment, and I'd make you a firmware load for 
the sitemonitor serial module to be able to read this, but that 
codebase needs to be re-written to support the base 3.   At some point 
in the future I'm going to resume doing those requests in which case 
you'd end up with a module which pulls data from this device.  
 Doesn't help you right now though.






On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:25 AM  wrote:

Is it likely that AC meters for monitoring circuits or subpanels
have a standard message format?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

Modbus is an ancient serial protocol to pass values back and
forth.   It’s very open but also somewhat vendor specific.  You
can send any message you like from A <->B but the two devices have
to know what the specific message means.  Various industries have
defined the message content but I would be somewhat surprised if a
Vertiv rectifier knows what to do with the information from a meter.

Tons of information online, and it’s not a hard protocol to code
for.   Used to do it in BASIC years ago.     There are two
protocols - MODBUS and MODBUS RTU.   The RTU protocol is much more
difficult to work with due to timing requirements, MODBUS itself
is just standard serial at a baud rate and timing of responses is
not critical at all.

Mark




> On Oct 26, 2023, at 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:
>
> I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that
support modbus over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv
rectifier says this in the manual:
>
> "e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter
using the Modbus protocol."
>
> and that's literally all it says.  Is this something
standardized where I can expect any modbus capable AC meter to
work the same?  Is this plug and play or would I have to learn yet
another discipline?
>
> If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech
support.  Just wondering if this group magically has the answer.
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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, and no.

The modbus protocol defines how to move data between two devices.  However,
the contents of the data being passed is vendor-defined and there aren't
any industry standards I'm aware of (although it wouldn't surprise me if
there were).

Every vendor that produces a modbus-capable device usually publishes some
sort of guide to the modbus registers for each device.   For instance, a
quick google search turned up this document:

https://www.vertiv.com/4ac5f2/globalassets/products/monitoring-control-and-management/monitoring/modbus-protocol-for-bdsu-reference-guide.pdf

"modbus register map" or "modbus communication guide" or simply "modbus"
when added to your vendor or product name often will turn up the right
document.

Just FYI, A couple of years ago, I would have suggested you provide me with
the vendor of the equipment, and I'd make you a firmware load for the
sitemonitor serial module to be able to read this, but that codebase needs
to be re-written to support the base 3.   At some point in the future I'm
going to resume doing those requests in which case you'd end up with a
module which pulls data from this device.   Doesn't help you right now
though.





On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:25 AM  wrote:

> Is it likely that AC meters for monitoring circuits or subpanels have a
> standard message format?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:52 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Modbus
>
> Modbus is an ancient serial protocol to pass values back and forth.   It’s
> very open but also somewhat vendor specific.   You can send any message you
> like from A <->B but the two devices have to know what the specific message
> means.   Various industries have defined the message content but I would be
> somewhat surprised if a Vertiv rectifier knows what to do with the
> information from a meter.
>
> Tons of information online, and it’s not a hard protocol to code for.
>  Used to do it in BASIC years ago. There are two protocols - MODBUS and
> MODBUS RTU.   The RTU protocol is much more difficult to work with due to
> timing requirements, MODBUS itself is just standard serial at a baud rate
> and timing of responses is not critical at all.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support
> modbus over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this
> in the manual:
> >
> > "e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the
> Modbus protocol."
> >
> > and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized
> where I can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this
> plug and play or would I have to learn yet another discipline?
> >
> > If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech support.  Just
> wondering if this group magically has the answer.
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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[dmmoffett]

Is it likely that AC meters for monitoring circuits or subpanels have a 
standard message format?  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

Modbus is an ancient serial protocol to pass values back and forth.   It’s very 
open but also somewhat vendor specific.   You can send any message you like 
from A <->B but the two devices have to know what the specific message means.   
Various industries have defined the message content but I would be somewhat 
surprised if a Vertiv rectifier knows what to do with the information from a 
meter.

Tons of information online, and it’s not a hard protocol to code for.   Used to 
do it in BASIC years ago. There are two protocols - MODBUS and MODBUS RTU.  
 The RTU protocol is much more difficult to work with due to timing 
requirements, MODBUS itself is just standard serial at a baud rate and timing 
of responses is not critical at all.

Mark




> On Oct 26, 2023, at 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support modbus 
> over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this in the 
> manual:
> 
> "e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the 
> Modbus protocol."
> 
> and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized where I 
> can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this plug and 
> play or would I have to learn yet another discipline? 
> 
> If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech support.  Just 
> wondering if this group magically has the answer.
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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I am sure Forrest will know.  



From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 5:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Modbus

I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support modbus 
over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this in the 
manual: 

"e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the Modbus 
protocol."

and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized where I 
can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this plug and play 
or would I have to learn yet another discipline? 

If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech support.  Just 
wondering if this group magically has the answer.




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Re: [AFMUG] Modbus

[Mark Radabaugh]

Modbus is an ancient serial protocol to pass values back and forth.   It’s very 
open but also somewhat vendor specific.   You can send any message you like 
from A <->B but the two devices have to know what the specific message means.   
Various industries have defined the message content but I would be somewhat 
surprised if a Vertiv rectifier knows what to do with the information from a 
meter.

Tons of information online, and it’s not a hard protocol to code for.   Used to 
do it in BASIC years ago. There are two protocols - MODBUS and MODBUS RTU.  
 The RTU protocol is much more difficult to work with due to timing 
requirements, MODBUS itself is just standard serial at a baud rate and timing 
of responses is not critical at all.

Mark




> On Oct 26, 2023, at 7:38 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support modbus 
> over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this in the 
> manual:
> 
> "e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the 
> Modbus protocol."
> 
> and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized where I 
> can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this plug and 
> play or would I have to learn yet another discipline? 
> 
> If it's not an easy answer I can take it to Vertiv tech support.  Just 
> wondering if this group magically has the answer.
> 
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[AFMUG] Modbus

[Adam Moffett]

I've never used modbus.  I'm looking at AC usage meters that support modbus
over RS-485.   And the controller on my Vertiv rectifier says this in the
manual:

"e) Modbus Protocol:  The NCU can communicate with an AC Meter using the
Modbus protocol."

and that's literally all it says.  Is this something standardized where
I can expect any modbus capable AC meter to work the same?  Is this plug
and play or would I have to learn yet another discipline?

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Robert Andrews]

How smart can it be if it uses modbus...???

On 03/21/2019 02:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Oh, a smart batt.  Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
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It’s a lipo4 batt.

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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

Which modbus device?

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, a smart batt.  Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:18 PM
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It’s a lipo4 batt. 

 

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Which modbus device? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks Lewis! Hope to see you next week

From: AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

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There is a Rasberry Pi implimentaiton of NodeJS to do this but it is likely as 
much a PITA as it is cheap. I would go with Forrest if he can do it. By the 
way, am I the only one that didn't know Gino craked the Forbes 5000? Way to go 
Gino! Congrats! And number 3 in PR! I feel priveleged to be residing within a 
few mi,e of him.

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Gino A. Villarini]

It’s a lipo4 batt.

From: AF  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" 

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Date: Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 9:28 AM
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Which modbus device?

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Which modbus device?

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Jason Wilson]

http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/


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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Robert]

We monitor our MorningStar Charge controllers with a modbus C library 
and programs we modified ourselves...


Robert

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Fellas

What would be the recommended gear for monitoring via snmp/web a Modbus 
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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Sean Heskett]

I thought PacketFlux had a module that did modbus

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Re: [AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

[Ken Hohhof]

I have never done it, but if you call these guys they can probably recommend 
something:

https://buy.advantech-bb.com/Serial-Servers-Gateways/Modbus-Gateways/BBC13229.products.htm

 

 

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[AFMUG] modbus to tcp/ip

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