Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
We call that one the Earth to Ground wire.
Typically it turns into a neutral wire when run into a distribution
panel when its isolated.
At tower sites it typically will tie back into a Ground rod at the meter
called neutral ground Bond.
EVERYthing at the site will typically bond back to this ground.
Birds ... Well thats just weird :)
On 7/13/20 12:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire between the poles.
That's how my house is hooked up...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three
usually.
bp
On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM
radio station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral
below, but it's been a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from
HV on the road to the tower's (power/utility) pole with a
transformer/fuse.
Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago. No nests up
there - maybe that's what they are trying to do?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or
single phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc?
Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What
kind of bird?
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM
*To:* AFMUG
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on
batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a
generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was
caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped.
Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back.
He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet,
and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good
for a few more hours.
Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on
the ground below the fuse.
Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times
in three days when this has never happened since ~2008.
Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading
services?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
Well that would be between the building and pole in the "front yard". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince wrote: > The transmission lines are just the hot legs. Neutral and ground get > created on the secondary side of any transformers. So the concept of > neutral and ground is "local". > > > bp > > > > On 7/13/2020 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire between the poles. That's > how my house is hooked up... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three usually. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM radio >> station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but it's been >> a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's >> (power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse. >> >> Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago. No nests up there - >> maybe that's what they are trying to do? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM wrote: >> >>> What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single >>> phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? >>> Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of >>> bird? >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM >>> *To:* AFMUG >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy? >>> >>> On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, >>> but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're >>> good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. >>> >>> Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in >>> the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird >>> and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. >>> >>> Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground >>> below the fuse. >>> >>> Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three >>> days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut >>> oil and the rodents are trading services? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
The transmission lines are just the hot legs. Neutral and ground
get created on the secondary side of any transformers. So the
concept of neutral and ground is "local".
bp
On 7/13/2020 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire
between the poles. That's how my house is hooked up...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49
PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two,
or three usually.
bp
On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Just standard power like at home. Not three
phase. It's an FM radio station. I would
assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but
it's been a while since I've seen it myself.
Goes from HV on the road to the tower's
(power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse.
Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few
minutes ago. No nests up there - maybe that's
what they are trying to do?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020
at 12:35 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
What kind of power line? Like three phase
on a cross arm or single phase with the hot at
the top and neutral down below etc?
Nesting activity? Seem way late in the
year for that. What kind of bird?
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020
10:29 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Birds
going crazy?
On Saturday we had a power
outage. Beautiful day. Towers on
batteries, but after an hour we head up
there with a generator. Plug it in and
we're good to go. Outage was caused by a
bird on the pole and the fuse popped.
Power company comes by, puts up a new
fuse. Power is back. He gets in the
truck and drives down the lane, about 50
feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse.
Replaces another. Good for a few more
hours.
Then this morning - power outage
AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below
the fuse.
Obviously something's going on, being it's
been three times in three days when this
has never happened since ~2008. Maybe
someone put peanut oil and the rodents are
trading services?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire between the poles. That's how my house is hooked up... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bill Prince wrote: > There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three usually. > > > bp > > > > On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM radio > station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but it's been > a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's > (power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse. > > Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago. No nests up there - > maybe that's what they are trying to do? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM wrote: > >> What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single phase >> with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? >> Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of bird? >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM >> *To:* AFMUG >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy? >> >> On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, >> but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're >> good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. >> >> Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in >> the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird >> and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. >> >> Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground >> below the fuse. >> >> Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days >> when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and >> the rodents are trading services? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
There are a lot of things I don't know, especially about power distribution. I do know there's a neutral coming off the center tap on the secondary side of an XFormer. So there's neutral on the power pole at least some of the time. On 7/13/2020 12:48 PM, Bill Prince wrote: There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three usually. bp On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM radio station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but it's been a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's (power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse. Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago. No nests up there - maybe that's what they are trying to do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of bird? *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM *To:* AFMUG *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy? On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
Call Tippi Hedren! bp On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Robert wrote: I believe they made a movie about this in the 50's. Subject was covered extensively. I think the solution was wait it out and it will go away. On 7/13/20 9:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three
usually.
bp
On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
Just standard power like at home. Not three phase.
It's an FM radio station. I would assume the hot is at
top and neutral below, but it's been a while since I've
seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's
(power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse.
Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago.
No nests up there - maybe that's what they are trying to
do?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35
PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
What kind of power line? Like three phase on a
cross arm or single phase with the hot at the top and
neutral down below etc?
Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for
that. What kind of bird?
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going
crazy?
On Saturday we had a power outage.
Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an
hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in
and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird
on the pole and the fuse popped.
Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse.
Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives
down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another
bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few
more hours.
Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A
third "bird" on the ground below the fuse.
Obviously something's going on, being it's been
three times in three days when this has never
happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut
oil and the rodents are trading services?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
5Gs from your tower are messing up the birds chakras. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Aren't birds sensitive to magnetism because they navigate with the earth's > magnetic field? Or is that a myth? Maybe something about this fuse holder > causes a navigational issue for the birdies. > > > On 7/13/2020 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, > but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're > good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. > > Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in > the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird > and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. > > Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground > below the fuse. > > Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days > when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and > the rodents are trading services? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
Aren't birds sensitive to magnetism because they navigate with the earth's magnetic field? Or is that a myth? Maybe something about this fuse holder causes a navigational issue for the birdies. On 7/13/2020 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM radio station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but it's been a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's (power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse. Two robins on Saturday. Starling a few minutes ago. No nests up there - maybe that's what they are trying to do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM wrote: > What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single phase > with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? > Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of bird? > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy? > > On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, > but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're > good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. > > Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in > the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird > and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. > > Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground > below the fuse. > > Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days > when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and > the rodents are trading services? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
I believe they made a movie about this in the 50's. Subject was covered extensively. I think the solution was wait it out and it will go away. On 7/13/20 9:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of bird? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy? On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet, and *POP*. Another bird and fuse. Replaces another. Good for a few more hours. Then this morning - power outage AGAIN. A third "bird" on the ground below the fuse. Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading services? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
