Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Daniel White 
ConVergence bought his company CWLabs which you could say eventually
became CTIconnect.  Charles Wu and Brian Young had a lot to do with
moving ConVergence out of the MSP space into the WISP space.

The Apex9 radio series was a REMEC ODU

No doubt Charles was the primary influencer for a long time.  He
certainly did a great job selling the world on CTI and certainly helped
develop many of the services and products that the ConVergence family of
companies came up with or offer today.  Certainly not trying to take any
credit away from him for those things.

Marc Kruer is the CEO - and for the most part tries to stay out of the
limelight. 

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> Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 07:57
> It was also around the time he had that Remec style radio.  What do as
> the connection between Charles and CTI?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 07:50
>
> It seems like Charles was the “influencer” for CTI… getting WISPs
> onboard their product/services
>
>  
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> *Date: *Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] billing again
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>  
>
> In my memory Charles started it.  We were one of the first customers.
>  We had to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember
> correctly.
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Josh Luthman 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-wu/

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On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:58 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It was also around the time he had that Remec style radio.  What do as the
> connection between Charles and CTI?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> It seems like Charles was the “influencer” for CTI… getting WISPs onboard
> their product/services
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM
> *To: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> *Cc: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] billing again
>
>
>
> In my memory Charles started it.  We were one of the first customers.  We
> had to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember correctly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect
> since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so
> I could give them the credit!).
>
> Jeff Broadwick
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> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
> I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned
> IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)
>
> Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com
>
>
>
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>
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> ch...@wbmfg.com
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> August 14, 2020 at 09:28
>
> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>
>
>
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required
> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>
>
>
> What are the costs of the others?
>
> Sonar
>
> Emerald
>
> UCRM
>
>
>
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
>
> Others?
>
>
>
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
>
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
> problematic.
>
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a
> surcharge for credit cards.
>
>
>
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Chuck McCown 
It was also around the time he had that Remec style radio.  What do as the 
connection between Charles and CTI?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> It seems like Charles was the “influencer” for CTI… getting WISPs onboard 
> their product/services
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>   
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
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> From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM
> To: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again
>  
> In my memory Charles started it.  We were one of the first customers.  We had 
> to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect 
> since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so I 
> could give them the credit!).
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned 
> IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)
> 
> Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com
>  
> 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
> ch...@wbmfg.com
> August 14, 2020 at 09:28
> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>  
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>  
> What are the costs of the others?
> Sonar
> Emerald
> UCRM
>  
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
> Others?
>  
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
> surcharge for credit cards.
>  
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
It seems like Charles was the “influencer” for CTI… getting WISPs onboard their 
product/services


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From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM
To: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

In my memory Charles started it.  We were one of the first customers.  We had 
to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember correctly.
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect 
since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so I 
could give them the credit!).
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned IPpay. 
 I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)

Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - 
byo...@ippay.com<mailto:byo...@ippay.com>

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ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
August 14, 2020 at 09:28
So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

What are the costs of the others?
Sonar
Emerald
UCRM

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
Others?

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic.
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...



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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Chuck McCown 
In my memory Charles started it.  We were one of the first customers.  We had 
to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:36 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect 
> since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so I 
> could give them the credit!).
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned 
>> IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)
>> 
>> Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com
>> 
>>  
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com August 14, 2020 at 09:28
>>> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>>>  
>>> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
>>> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>>>  
>>> What are the costs of the others?
>>> Sonar
>>> Emerald
>>> UCRM
>>>  
>>> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
>>> Others?
>>>  
>>> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
>>> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be 
>>> problematic. 
>>> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
>>> surcharge for credit cards.
>>>  
>>> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-24 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
ConVergence owns IPPay.  They are now a subsidiary company like CTIconnect 
since we “de-converged” (I wish I could remember who came up with that, so I 
could give them the credit!).

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned 
> IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)
> 
> Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com
> 
>   
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>> ch...@wbmfg.com August 14, 2020 at 09:28
>> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>>  
>> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
>> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>>  
>> What are the costs of the others?
>> Sonar
>> Emerald
>> UCRM
>>  
>> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
>> Others?
>>  
>> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
>> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
>> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
>> surcharge for credit cards.
>>  
>> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-23 Thread Daniel White 
I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned
IPpay.  I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-)

Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com

photograph  
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Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> ch...@wbmfg.com 
> August 14, 2020 at 09:28
> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>  
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250. 
> Required ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>  
> What are the costs of the others?
> Sonar
> Emerald
> UCRM
>  
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
> Others?
>  
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
> problematic. 
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge
> a surcharge for credit cards.
>  
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-17 Thread Dave 
We are using Freeside and happy with it. Luckily before jeremy left we 
were able to get some custom modules done.


We have a support engineer that works well with freeside. We were able 
to incorporate it into preseem and our inventory without much fuss.


I hope that Ivan will get his stuff together and do more with it.


On 8/14/2020 11:05 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Fri August 14 2020 10:44, Cameron Crum wrote:

Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not.

Last word I got was that Ivan had some personal issues but was getting
things settled/organized and would be back to taking care of things "soon".



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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-16 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Seems like all the advertised prices for Internet and phone service by the big 
companies specify “with autopay and ecobill”.  Not sure if “autopay”means 
credit/debit/ACH, or only ACH, I’d have to guess they are willing to eat the 
credit card fee in order to be able to charge you automatically.  They may also 
get better rates from the card processors than we do, I don’t know.  Most also 
charge a fee to pay by phone, this is OK because it’s a convenience fee not 
specifically a credit card fee.  Ecobill of course means an extra charge if you 
want a paper bill.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

 

I remember when one fiber provider in Utah started charging a $7.00 handling 
fee when paying by check. Seemed excessive, but They probably got more to 
switch to use automatic payment methods. 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 16, 2020, at 10:25, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:



OK, I found this with a Google search, so it’s not necessarily correct, but it 
seems to have lots of relevant information.

 

Seems like it depends on your state law (10 or 11 states prohibit it), and you 
can’t charge for using a debit card, also some other details that must be 
observed.

 

https://www.valuepenguin.com/credit-card-surcharges-convenience-fees

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

 

 

apparently not illegal anymore, lots of vendors here are now passing along 
their credit card processing fee right to you on the charge slip.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>  

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

 

Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash.  

 

Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?

 

Cameron

 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

 

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

 

What are the costs of the others?

Sonar

Emerald

UCRM

 

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  

Others?

 

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  

If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic.  

I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

 

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...

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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-16 Thread Cassidy B. Larson 
I remember when one fiber provider in Utah started charging a $7.00 handling 
fee when paying by check. Seemed excessive, but They probably got more to 
switch to use automatic payment methods. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2020, at 10:25, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, I found this with a Google search, so it’s not necessarily correct, but 
> it seems to have lots of relevant information.
>  
> Seems like it depends on your state law (10 or 11 states prohibit it), and 
> you can’t charge for using a debit card, also some other details that must be 
> observed.
>  
> https://www.valuepenguin.com/credit-card-surcharges-convenience-fees
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:01 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again
>  
>  
> apparently not illegal anymore, lots of vendors here are now passing along 
> their credit card processing fee right to you on the charge slip.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Crum
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again
>  
> Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
> $1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. 
> UCRM is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even 
> tomorrow. Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what 
> happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, 
> Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, 
> or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went 
> to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even 
> still maintains stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to 
> track. YOu will get approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours 
> the money will not be there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send 
> you an email or something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate 
> that failure to pay in their billing system so it requires effort to make 
> sure you are getting your money. It is illegal to charge to take credit 
> cards, but you can give a discount for paying by check or cash. 
>  
> Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?
>  
> Cameron
>  
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:
> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>  
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>  
> What are the costs of the others?
> Sonar
> Emerald
> UCRM
>  
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name. 
> Others?
>  
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
> surcharge for credit cards.
>  
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-16 Thread Ken Hohhof 
OK, I found this with a Google search, so it’s not necessarily correct, but it 
seems to have lots of relevant information.

 

Seems like it depends on your state law (10 or 11 states prohibit it), and you 
can’t charge for using a debit card, also some other details that must be 
observed.

 

https://www.valuepenguin.com/credit-card-surcharges-convenience-fees

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

 

 

apparently not illegal anymore, lots of vendors here are now passing along 
their credit card processing fee right to you on the charge slip.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>  

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

 

Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash.  

 

Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?

 

Cameron

 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

 

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

 

What are the costs of the others?

Sonar

Emerald

UCRM

 

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  

Others?

 

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  

If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic.  

I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-16 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

apparently not illegal anymore, lots of vendors here are now passing along 
their credit card processing fee right to you on the charge slip.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again


  Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash. 


  Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?


  Cameron


  On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:

So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

What are the costs of the others?
Sonar
Emerald
UCRM

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  
Others?

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be 
problematic.  
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett 
I think Charles still has his ownership interest, though. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:44:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again 


Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash. 


Does that muddy the waters sufficiently? 


Cameron 


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems. 

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250. Required 
ippay. Does Charles Wu still own ippay? 

What are the costs of the others? 
Sonar 
Emerald 
UCRM 

The one Ivan sells. Not sure of the name. 
Others? 

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards. 

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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett 
https://sonar.software/pricing 




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Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:28:12 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] billing again 




So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems. 

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250. Required 
ippay. Does Charles Wu still own ippay? 

What are the costs of the others? 
Sonar 
Emerald 
UCRM 

The one Ivan sells. Not sure of the name. 
Others? 

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? 
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic. 
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards. 

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank... 
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Lewis Bergman 
At the end of year we are moving to OneBill. I know some people with it and
they are very happy. The costs is reasonable nut is on a rev basis.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:

> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required
> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>
> What are the costs of the others?
> Sonar
> Emerald
> UCRM
>
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
> Others?
>
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
> problematic.
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a
> surcharge for credit cards.
>
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread chuck 
Yes, thanks.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing again

Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is 
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald. UCRM 
is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even tomorrow. 
Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure what happened to 
him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff. But, Freeside is 
"free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous instructions, or you can pay 
a "support" contract, but his main dev/support guy Jeremy went to work for Matt 
Larson a couple years ago. I really don't know if Ivan even still maintains 
stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but more difficult to track. YOu will get 
approvals and then when it goes to settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be 
there and it will decline. I think IPPay will now send you an email or 
something, but I don't believe anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay 
in their billing system so it requires effort to make sure you are getting your 
money. It is illegal to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a 
discount for paying by check or cash.  

Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?

Cameron

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:

  So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

  I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

  What are the costs of the others?
  Sonar
  Emerald
  UCRM

  The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  
  Others?

  Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  
  If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic.  
  I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

  Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Larry Smith 
On Fri August 14 2020 10:44, Cameron Crum wrote:
> Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
> what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
> But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
> instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
> guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
> know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not.

Last word I got was that Ivan had some personal issues but was getting
things settled/organized and would be back to taking care of things "soon".

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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 8/14/20 8:50 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Sorry, it is illegal in some states to charge a surcharge for taking 
credit cards. 10 states outlaw it altogether and there are requirements 
in other states that you have to meet in order to do it. The 10 states 
are Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, New 
York, Oklahoma, and Texas.



Beyond that the merchant or processor agreement may say you can't charge 
a fee to accept cards, but that's between you and the processor (not an 
actual crime but they could turn terminate your merchant account).


The universally safe way is cash discount.

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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Cameron Crum 
This is a pretty good article about surcharges and convenience fees.
https://www.valuepenguin.com/credit-card-surcharges-convenience-fees

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:50 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Sorry, it is illegal in some states to charge a surcharge for taking
> credit cards. 10 states outlaw it altogether and there are requirements in
> other states that you have to meet in order to do it. The 10 states are
> Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, New York,
> Oklahoma, and Texas.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:44 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is
>> $1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald.
>> UCRM is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even
>> tomorrow. Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
>> what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
>> But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
>> instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
>> guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
>> know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but
>> more difficult to track. YOu will get approvals and then when it goes to
>> settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be there and it will decline. I
>> think IPPay will now send you an email or something, but I don't believe
>> anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay in their billing system so
>> it requires effort to make sure you are getting your money. It is illegal
>> to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a discount for paying by
>> check or cash.
>>
>> Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>>>
>>> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.
>>> Required ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>>>
>>> What are the costs of the others?
>>> Sonar
>>> Emerald
>>> UCRM
>>>
>>> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
>>> Others?
>>>
>>> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
>>> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
>>> problematic.
>>> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a
>>> surcharge for credit cards.
>>>
>>> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your
>>> bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Cameron Crum 
Sorry, it is illegal in some states to charge a surcharge for taking credit
cards. 10 states outlaw it altogether and there are requirements in other
states that you have to meet in order to do it. The 10 states are Colorado,
Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, Oklahoma, and
Texas.


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:44 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is
> $1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald.
> UCRM is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even
> tomorrow. Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
> what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
> But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
> instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
> guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
> know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but
> more difficult to track. YOu will get approvals and then when it goes to
> settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be there and it will decline. I
> think IPPay will now send you an email or something, but I don't believe
> anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay in their billing system so
> it requires effort to make sure you are getting your money. It is illegal
> to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a discount for paying by
> check or cash.
>
> Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:
>
>> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>>
>> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.
>> Required ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>>
>> What are the costs of the others?
>> Sonar
>> Emerald
>> UCRM
>>
>> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
>> Others?
>>
>> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
>> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
>> problematic.
>> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a
>> surcharge for credit cards.
>>
>> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread Cameron Crum 
Charles has not been involved with IPPay for some time. Sonar is
$1.25/sub/month up to 5000 then it drops in tiers. Not sure about Emerald.
UCRM is free but who knows if it will be around in a few years or even
tomorrow. Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not. ACH is a little cheaper but
more difficult to track. YOu will get approvals and then when it goes to
settle in 24-48 hours the money will not be there and it will decline. I
think IPPay will now send you an email or something, but I don't believe
anyone has a way to automate that failure to pay in their billing system so
it requires effort to make sure you are getting your money. It is illegal
to charge to take credit cards, but you can give a discount for paying by
check or cash.

Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?

Cameron

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM  wrote:

> So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.
>
> I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required
> ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?
>
> What are the costs of the others?
> Sonar
> Emerald
> UCRM
>
> The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.
> Others?
>
> Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?
> If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be
> problematic.
> I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a
> surcharge for credit cards.
>
> Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...
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[AFMUG] billing again

2020-08-14 Thread chuck 
So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems.

I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250.  Required 
ippay.  Does Charles Wu still own ippay?

What are the costs of the others?
Sonar
Emerald
UCRM

The one Ivan sells.  Not sure of the name.  
Others?

Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view?  
If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be problematic.  
I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge a 
surcharge for credit cards.

Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank...-- 
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