Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
Yeah, too steep for me. I use AutoCadLT subscription model
Most developers will give us cad files of the power design. We hopefully can
get in the same ditch and just use their drawing.
If you want to integrate drawings, then there is the whole landbase issue that
I have not yet solved.
Like everything to be in GIS but have not wanted to endure the learning curve.
I can throw an Google Earth image behind an AutoCad drawing and trace up the
streets etc in very little time and it is accurate enough to get the permits.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
Vetro Fibermap looks pretty nice, the price is a bit steep though IMO. I've
been using Google Earth.
On Saturday, March 9, 2019, Chris Fabien wrote:
We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's the
best software but it gets the job done.
Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road.
Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring setup.
Worth asking though.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels
layer from the county.
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From: "TJ Trout"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits?
I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans
showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you
take that to the local building department and pull a permit?
For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or
an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
Vetro Fibermap looks pretty nice, the price is a bit steep though IMO. I've been using Google Earth. On Saturday, March 9, 2019, Chris Fabien wrote: > We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's > the best software but it gets the job done. > > Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road. > Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring > setup. Worth asking though. > > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a >> parcels layer from the county. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"TJ Trout" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting >> >> how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling >> permits? I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need >> professional plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, >> streets, etc then you take that to the local building department and pull a >> permit? >> >> For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways >> or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's the best software but it gets the job done. Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road. Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring setup. Worth asking though. On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels > layer from the county. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"TJ Trout" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting > > how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? > I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional > plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc > then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit? > > For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways > or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
Agreed. Usually shapefiles come with a .PRJ file that defines the coordinate system. I would think something created in a GIS system in the first place would be more likely to have that file passed along than one created in a CAD environment and then exported. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 9:00:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting You have to be very careful with your coordinate reference system. There are (literally) thousands of them. One advantage of using the county GIS data and aerials is that the aerials are (usually) corrected and in the same CRS as the SHP files. Mark On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I've often found that drawings are often wrong when projected in a GIS environment. It could be simple coincidence. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:41:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting There are a number of options, none I’m completely in love with yet. In any case - start with your counties GIS department. It’s usually part of either the tax office or the engineers office and ask them for the GIS files for parcels, ROW, addresses, road centerlines, etc. Also ask for copies of the high resolution aerial images. Most will provide all of this to you for free or a nominal charge. QGIS is a fantastic GIS program and the price is right (free). It’s nearly as capable as many of the high end GIS systems these days. Where it’s somewhat lacking for making construction prints is that it’s not a CAD system so drawing on it is a bit awkward but very doable. I have made complete construction prints with it several times. A more expensive option is AutoCAD MAP 3D. The Map3D extensions to AutoCAD add the ability to work with shape files (GIS) files. If you already know AutoCAD and want to avoid the learning curve of QGIS it might be worth the software cost to you. Mark Something like this is our typical construction drawing out of GQIS: On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:30 AM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit? For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
You have to be very careful with your coordinate reference system. There are (literally) thousands of them. One advantage of using the county GIS data and aerials is that the aerials are (usually) corrected and in the same CRS as the SHP files. Mark > On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I've often found that drawings are often wrong when projected in a GIS > environment. It could be simple coincidence. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Mark Radabaugh" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:41:54 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting > > There are a number of options, none I’m completely in love with yet. > > In any case - start with your counties GIS department. It’s usually part of > either the tax office or the engineers office and ask them for the GIS files > for parcels, ROW, addresses, road centerlines, etc. Also ask for copies of > the high resolution aerial images. Most will provide all of this to you for > free or a nominal charge. > > QGIS is a fantastic GIS program and the price is right (free). It’s nearly > as capable as many of the high end GIS systems these days. Where it’s > somewhat lacking for making construction prints is that it’s not a CAD system > so drawing on it is a bit awkward but very doable. I have made complete > construction prints with it several times. > > A more expensive option is AutoCAD MAP 3D. The Map3D extensions to AutoCAD > add the ability to work with shape files (GIS) files. If you already know > AutoCAD and want to avoid the learning curve of QGIS it might be worth the > software cost to you. > > Mark > > Something like this is our typical construction drawing out of GQIS: > > > > On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:30 AM, TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: > > how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? > I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans > showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you > take that to the local building department and pull a permit? > > For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or > an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels layer from the county. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit? For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
I use autocad with a google earth image underneath. You can missile if the soil is good. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2019, at 12:30 AM, TJ Trout wrote: > > how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? > I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans > showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you > take that to the local building department and pull a permit? > > For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or > an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit? For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
