Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
I use arlo cameras and they have multi-camera plans: https://www.arlo.com/en-us/landing/arlosmart/default.aspx I'm on the $10/mo for up to 10 cameras. They don't stream 24/7 but rather just upload motion detected events and you can view live of course. On the local viewing, some of this depends on how the local network is setup. The app needs to be able to detect that the cameras are local and then make a local connection instead of streaming through the internet. There's a few different ways to do this and a longer discussion on pros/cons of doing it. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The individual WiFi cameras streaming to the cloud just isn’t a scalable > solution. The cloud service charges per month per camera, and if you have > a bunch of 4 MP cameras all streaming to the cloud, the upstream data rate > is unreasonable for most people unless they have fiber or cable Internet, > even so, they may not have enough upstream because of the asymmetrical > bandwidth plans. Add the fact that all the outdoor cameras are probably at > something like a -89 WiFi signal and are impacting everything else on the > WiFi. Of course an NVR doesn’t fix the WiFi issue, and most people are not > going to view running a bunch of Cat5 cables as a fun weekend project. > Although before everything went to cloud, app, and Internet based, I knew > people who would run coax everywhere for analog cameras for the system they > bought for $200 at Costco. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:51 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) > > > > Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk > away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up > till they destroy the camera or internet connection. > > > > [image: photograph] > > > *Daniel White*Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations > > *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766 > *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770 > > Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: > > Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may > sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, > inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing > for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I > guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the > cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and > Facebook and Google snooping on them. > > > > It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an > Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital > cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable > is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire > the house for data while it's being built. > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: AF On Behalf Of > Andrew Haninger > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) > > > > Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. > > https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote: > > Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m > tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the > customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when > they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s > butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth > when the customer is at home, for the data to go > house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. > > > > > > > > Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if > everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, > black screens, etc. > > > > > > > > Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set > up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer > is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric > that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and > back? > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Harold Bledsoe -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Put this on it.
https://hipwallpaper.com/view/fNQdBY
bp
On 8/20/2019 7:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Roku, Twinkie, Camera, Slim Jim
and Cell Phone
Friends of
Timmy, PJ and Squee?
Or Sarah
Palin’s kids?
Or drug
dealers coming to Maine like D-Money, Smoothie and Shifty.
Maybe just
rapper names.
From: AF
On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest,
Ring, etc.)
IMHO,
thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and /
or the self discipline to learn something valuable like
IT. I would guess they could not pick an NVR out of a
collection of a Roku, Twinkie, Camera, Slim Jim and Cell
Phone.
From: Bill
Prince
Sent:
Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Plus they're easy to hide.
bp
On
8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
For the
average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on
the threat list.
On
Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com>
wrote:
Problem
with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you
can easily walk away with the evidence. If the
video is in the cloud... you have it up till they
destroy the camera or internet connection.
Daniel
White
Co-Founder
- Business Development &
Operations
phone: +1
(702) 470-2766
direct: +1
(702) 470-2770
Ken
Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them.
It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built.
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
> Roku, Twinkie, Camera, Slim Jim and Cell Phone Friends of Timmy, PJ and Squee? Or Sarah Palin’s kids? Or drug dealers coming to Maine like D-Money, Smoothie and Shifty. Maybe just rapper names. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) IMHO, thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and / or the self discipline to learn something valuable like IT. I would guess they could not pick an NVR out of a collection of a Roku, Twinkie, Camera, Slim Jim and Cell Phone. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Plus they're easy to hide. bp On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat list. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote: Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet connection. <https://atheral.co/wp-content/uploads/Atheral-Logo-Vertical-Grad-150px-x-86px.png> Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
IMHO, thugs are thugs because they lack the intelligence and / or the self discipline to learn something valuable like IT. I would guess they could not pick an NVR out of a collection of a Roku, Twinkie, Camera, Slim Jim and Cell Phone. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Plus they're easy to hide. bp On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat list. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White wrote: Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet connection. Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Plus they're easy to hide. bp On 8/20/2019 6:28 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat list. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com> wrote: Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet connection. Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
For the average home owner I doubt a stolen NVR is real high on the threat list. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 5:51 PM Daniel White wrote: > Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk > away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up > till they destroy the camera or internet connection. > > [image: photograph] > Daniel White > Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations > phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 > direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 > Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: > > Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may > sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, > inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing > for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I > guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the > cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and > Facebook and Google snooping on them. > > It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an > Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital > cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable > is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire > the house for data while it's being built. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of > Andrew Haninger > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) > > Here's a good thread that recently came up on > /.https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote: > > Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m > tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the > customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when > they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s > butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth > when the customer is at home, for the data to go > house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. > > > > Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if > everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, > black screens, etc. > > > > Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set > up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer > is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric > that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and > back? > > -- > AF mailing > listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
The individual WiFi cameras streaming to the cloud just isn’t a scalable solution. The cloud service charges per month per camera, and if you have a bunch of 4 MP cameras all streaming to the cloud, the upstream data rate is unreasonable for most people unless they have fiber or cable Internet, even so, they may not have enough upstream because of the asymmetrical bandwidth plans. Add the fact that all the outdoor cameras are probably at something like a -89 WiFi signal and are impacting everything else on the WiFi. Of course an NVR doesn’t fix the WiFi issue, and most people are not going to view running a bunch of Cat5 cables as a fun weekend project. Although before everything went to cloud, app, and Internet based, I knew people who would run coax everywhere for analog cameras for the system they bought for $200 at Costco. From: AF On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet connection. <https://atheral.co/wp-content/uploads/Atheral-Logo-Vertical-Grad-150px-x-86px.png> Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk away with the evidence. If the video is in the cloud... you have it up till they destroy the camera or internet connection. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 direct:+1 (702) 470-2770 Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39: Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Good point about the NVR. Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside and outside the house. An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing. I guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and Google snooping on them. It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE. But getting people to run Cat5 cable is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the house for data while it's being built. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.) Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m > tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the > customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when > they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s > butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth > when the customer is at home, for the data to go > house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. > > > > Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if > everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, > black screens, etc. > > > > Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set > up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer > is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric > that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and > back? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Here's a good thread that recently came up on /. https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I’m > tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the > customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room. I understand when > they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s > butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth > when the customer is at home, for the data to go > house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. > > > > Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if > everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, > black screens, etc. > > > > Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set > up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer > is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric > that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and > back? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
Security cameras seem to be all the rage. Many WiFi issues, but also I'm tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the customer's phone when he's sitting in his living room. I understand when they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy's butt walking away from the house. But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth when the customer is at home, for the data to go house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house. Or might go over cellular to the phone. Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if everything stayed on their LAN. Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, black screens, etc. Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer is away from home? Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric that you can't watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and back? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
