Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Darin Steffl]

Azotel for almost 8 years now.

Works great, stable, they add new features for us all the time for free.

The platform looks dated but it's functional for us.

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> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Layne Sisk]

Feel free to reach out to me with any questions.  We are in the unique position 
of dealing with all the major billing platforms and I am happy to give you pros 
and cons of each.  

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

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Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[chuck]

This is a valuable offer.  I would certainly take Layne up on this.

-Original Message- 
From: Layne Sisk

Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

Feel free to reach out to me with any questions.  We are in the unique 
position of dealing with all the major billing platforms and I am happy to 
give you pros and cons of each.


Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Steve Jones]

I would like to have gone Azotel, they had reporting features I really
liked. Not a lot of people move away from them (that's about as easy as
changing your domain name or telephone number). I never got to try them,
but if you're looking at deep financial insight into your network, they
would be the guys to talk to.
Sonar is an up and comer, built specifically for WISPs, too new yet to see
what happens when it's bones get old and dirty, has a Mac guy feel to it.
We've been on powercode for like 10 or more years. They were built from
scratch by an ISP for internal use and grew, and were bought multiple
times. Bertram wireless owns them now and has for a bunch of years. They're
kind of like a marriage, sometimes you're wanting to by a nice necklace,
sometimes you're digging a hole in the back yard and sharpening your knife.
They're on my shitlist right now, but I still wouldn't have any issue with
recommending them to you as what you get for the money is pretty cost
effective. All I can say is build your own documentation, because they
don't have any to speak of.
You're not going to get better insight than what Layne is offering,
serverplus deals with pretty much every platform, Every kind of operator
and every kind of cobbled implementation out there. He can offer you the
unique ability to let you describe what kind of operator you are and let
you know which of the many systems would meet your needs based on the
support tickets he sees generated on each system and each operators
practices. That's actually a service he could probably market

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 11:25 AM  wrote:

> This is a valuable offer.  I would certainly take Layne up on this.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Layne Sisk
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:02 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Feel free to reach out to me with any questions.  We are in the unique
> position of dealing with all the major billing platforms and I am happy to
> give you pros and cons of each.
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 9:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[David Coudron]

We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble 
than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode is 
faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
move.

Regards,

David Coudron
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Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Sean Heskett]

Sonar

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Josh Luthman]

Powercode.  Is Matt new here?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Sonar
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:38 AM Matt  wrote:
>
>> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
>> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt Hoppes]

Careful... that's a different Matt from me... don't be too hard on him :)

On 12/16/19 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Powercode.  Is Matt new here?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett > wrote:


Sonar

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Josh Luthman]

I knew it wasn't you, but I wasn't aware there were a bunch of new people
coming into the legendary AFMUG.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:10 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Careful... that's a different Matt from me... don't be too hard on him :)
>
> On 12/16/19 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Powercode.  Is Matt new here?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> > Sonar
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:38 AM Matt  > > wrote:
> >
> > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing
> platform.
> > What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Mike Hammett]

I see e-mail from "new" Matt since at least 2012. Well, on the WISPA lists. 
He's been on AFMUG since at least 2017. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Matt Hoppes"  
Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:00:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 


I knew it wasn't you, but I wasn't aware there were a bunch of new people 
coming into the legendary AFMUG. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:10 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 


Careful... that's a different Matt from me... don't be too hard on him :) 

On 12/16/19 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> Powercode. Is Matt new here? 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us 
> > wrote: 
> 
> Sonar 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:38 AM Matt < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
> > wrote: 
> 
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform. 
> What is everyone using? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Steve Jones]

this sounds suspect... spies... all spies, probably has a fisa warrant too

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:55 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I see e-mail from "new" Matt since at least 2012. Well, on the WISPA
> lists. He's been on AFMUG since at least 2017.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *To: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:00:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> I knew it wasn't you, but I wasn't aware there were a bunch of new people
> coming into the legendary AFMUG.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:10 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Careful... that's a different Matt from me... don't be too hard on him :)
>>
>> On 12/16/19 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > Powercode.  Is Matt new here?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett > > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sonar
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:38 AM Matt > > <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing
>> platform.
>> > What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, new kid!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

 

I see e-mail from "new" Matt since at least 2012. Well, on the WISPA lists. 
He's been on AFMUG since at least 2017.



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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 




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From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:00:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

I knew it wasn't you, but I wasn't aware there were a bunch of new people 
coming into the legendary AFMUG.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:10 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Careful... that's a different Matt from me... don't be too hard on him :)

On 12/16/19 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Powercode.  Is Matt new here?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sean Heskett  <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>  
> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >> wrote:
> 
> Sonar
> 
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:38 AM Matt  <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> 
> <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> 
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[dave via AF]

We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well 
the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so 
customers can see their actual usage.



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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Steve Jones]

does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean way to
do it other than 12mo prepay or something

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:

> We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well
> the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so
> customers can see their actual usage.
>
>
> On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Josh Luthman]

12 month prepay is exactly how you would do annual billing.  It works for
me and a bunch of customers...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean way
> to do it other than 12mo prepay or something
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:
>
>> We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well
>> the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so
>> customers can see their actual usage.
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
>> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Steve Jones]

It increments and only shows 1 month due

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:51 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 12 month prepay is exactly how you would do annual billing.  It works for
> me and a bunch of customers...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean way
>> to do it other than 12mo prepay or something
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:
>>
>>> We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well
>>> the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so
>>> customers can see their actual usage.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
>>> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Josh Luthman]

One month is due but the invoices will print a full 12 months of charges.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> It increments and only shows 1 month due
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:51 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> 12 month prepay is exactly how you would do annual billing.  It works for
>> me and a bunch of customers...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean way
>>> to do it other than 12mo prepay or something
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:
>>>
 We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how
 well the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so
 customers can see their actual usage.


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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
People will mock this, but you should look at Emerald. It isn't
nearly as pretty as Sonar or Splynx, but it is very mature,
extremely flexible and functional, and very fast. Support is super
responsive and competent. It's also a great value; annual cost is
about $1200 for support and licenses are one-time buy per active
account. Even after having ours hosted in an Amazon XL compute VM,
it's still very cost effective. Point in case: we switched away from
one of the currently popular pay-per-sub ones and our annual cost
went from $24K to about $6K and we lost zero functionality.
We're dual-stacked (v4/v6) and billing is fully integrated with
RADIUS (either PPPoE or DHCP w/dual-stack queue on Mikrotik),
including having currently-assigned v4 address and v6 prefix in
billing (and a log of past assignments). When customers are behind
on their bill, they get different RADIUS attributes, which shoves
them behind our implementation of a hotel-style captive portal so
they have a shot at seeing our "you haven't paid" landing page.
And FWIW, accounts on annual payment are truly annual, not 12
months.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 12/23/19 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  One month is due but the invoices will print a full
12 months of charges.

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


  
  
  
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37
  PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  It increments and only shows 1 month due
  
  
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019,
  12:51 PM Josh Luthman 
  wrote:


  12 month prepay is exactly how you would do
annual billing.  It works for me and a bunch of
customers...

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


  
  
  
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019
  at 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  does freeside handle annual billing?
Powercode has never had a clean way to do it other
than 12mo prepay or something
  
  
On Wed, Dec 18,
  2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF 
  wrote:


   We still use freeside and now added preseem
recently and seeing how well the mapping goes
but we have integrated cacti as well into
freeside so customers can see their actual
usage. 


  
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt Hoppes]

I know IEA has been around for ages. But it requires a radius server. There’s 
still no way to make it work without one and still rate limit customers at the 
head end correct?

For me that’s a show stopper. 

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Jesse DuPont  
> wrote:
> 
> People will mock this, but you should look at Emerald. It isn't nearly as 
> pretty as Sonar or Splynx, but it is very mature, extremely flexible and 
> functional, and very fast. Support is super responsive and competent. It's 
> also a great value; annual cost is about $1200 for support and licenses are 
> one-time buy per active account. Even after having ours hosted in an Amazon 
> XL compute VM, it's still very cost effective. Point in case: we switched 
> away from one of the currently popular pay-per-sub ones and our annual cost 
> went from $24K to about $6K and we lost zero functionality.
> We're dual-stacked (v4/v6) and billing is fully integrated with RADIUS 
> (either PPPoE or DHCP w/dual-stack queue on Mikrotik), including having 
> currently-assigned v4 address and v6 prefix in billing (and a log of past 
> assignments). When customers are behind on their bill, they get different 
> RADIUS attributes, which shoves them behind our implementation of a 
> hotel-style captive portal so they have a shot at seeing our "you haven't 
> paid" landing page.
> And FWIW, accounts on annual payment are truly annual, not 12 months.
> 
> Jesse DuPont
> 
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
> 
> Celerity Broadband LLC
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>> On 12/23/19 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> One month is due but the invoices will print a full 12 months of charges.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> It increments and only shows 1 month due
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:51 PM Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
 12 month prepay is exactly how you would do annual billing.  It works for 
 me and a bunch of customers...
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Steve Jones  
> wrote:
> does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean way 
> to do it other than 12mo prepay or something
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:
>> We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how well 
>> the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside so 
>> customers can see their actual usage. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>>> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
>>> What is everyone using?
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Carl Peterson]

Why is a radius server an issue.  Freeradius is simple, stable, and
mature.

Not sure if I'd recommend it starting out this way, but we use Netsuite
which is integrated with our radius server.  If a NAS/BNG doesn't work with
Free radius, we don't need it.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 7:38 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I know IEA has been around for ages. But it requires a radius server.
> There’s still no way to make it work without one and still rate limit
> customers at the head end correct?
>
> For me that’s a show stopper.
>
> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Jesse DuPont 
> wrote:
>
> People will mock this, but you should look at Emerald. It isn't nearly as
> pretty as Sonar or Splynx, but it is very mature, extremely flexible and
> functional, and very fast. Support is super responsive and competent. It's
> also a great value; annual cost is about $1200 for support and licenses are
> one-time buy per active account. Even after having ours hosted in an Amazon
> XL compute VM, it's still very cost effective. Point in case: we switched
> away from one of the currently popular pay-per-sub ones and our annual cost
> went from $24K to about $6K and we lost zero functionality.
> We're dual-stacked (v4/v6) and billing is fully integrated with RADIUS
> (either PPPoE or DHCP w/dual-stack queue on Mikrotik), including having
> currently-assigned v4 address and v6 prefix in billing (and a log of past
> assignments). When customers are behind on their bill, they get different
> RADIUS attributes, which shoves them behind our implementation of a
> hotel-style captive portal so they have a shot at seeing our "you haven't
> paid" landing page.
> And FWIW, accounts on annual payment are truly annual, not 12 months.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
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> On 12/23/19 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> One month is due but the invoices will print a full 12 months of charges.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> It increments and only shows 1 month due
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:51 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 12 month prepay is exactly how you would do annual billing.  It works
>>> for me and a bunch of customers...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 does freeside handle annual billing? Powercode has never had a clean
 way to do it other than 12mo prepay or something

 On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:13 AM dave via AF  wrote:

> We still use freeside and now added preseem recently and seeing how
> well the mapping goes but we have integrated cacti as well into freeside 
> so
> customers can see their actual usage.
>
>
> 
> On 12/16/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
There always has to be some kind of AAA process happening to have
the billing system apply customer rate-limits, where ever you choose
to apply them. Whether the billing system uses an API to control and
account for the networking plane, or RADIUS or some other kind of
scripting, there is still some kind of AAA-type functionality
occurring. So yes, to do that, Emerald uses RADIUS. We chose to use
their RADIUS because the integration with Emerald is deep; that is,
once it was setup installed, we've never had to actually touch the
RADIUS server itself (except to restart it after updates) because
its configuration is all handled within Emerald.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 12/23/19 6:38 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


  
  I know IEA has been around for ages. But it
requires a radius server. There’s still no way to make it work
without one and still rate limit customers at the head end
correct?
  
  
  For me that’s a show stopper. 
  
On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

  
  

  
  People will mock this, but you should look at Emerald. It
  isn't nearly as pretty as Sonar or Splynx, but it is very
  mature, extremely flexible and functional, and very fast.
  Support is super responsive and competent. It's also a great
  value; annual cost is about $1200 for support and licenses are
  one-time buy per active account. Even after having ours hosted
  in an Amazon XL compute VM, it's still very cost effective.
  Point in case: we switched away from one of the currently
  popular pay-per-sub ones and our annual cost went from $24K to
  about $6K and we lost zero functionality.
  We're dual-stacked (v4/v6) and billing is fully integrated
  with RADIUS (either PPPoE or DHCP w/dual-stack queue on
  Mikrotik), including having currently-assigned v4 address and
  v6 prefix in billing (and a log of past assignments). When
  customers are behind on their bill, they get different RADIUS
  attributes, which shoves them behind our implementation of a
  hotel-style captive portal so they have a shot at seeing our
  "you haven't paid" landing page.
  And FWIW, accounts on annual payment are truly annual, not 12
  months.
  
  





Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
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  On 12/23/19 10:50 AM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
  
  

One month is due but the invoices will print
  a full 12 months of charges.
  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  



  On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at
6:37 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
  
It increments and only shows 1 month due


  On Sat, Dec 21,
2019, 12:51 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:
  
  
12 month prepay is exactly how you
  would do annual billing.  It works for me and a
  bunch of customers...
  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  



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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt]

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
 wrote:
>
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble 
> than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode is 
> faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
> than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
> Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
> Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
> ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
> move.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  
> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
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> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Daniel Moore]

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either company. 
 
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing.  If you need your hand 
held, VISP is the go to billing system.
Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using. 

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote:

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
 wrote:
>
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a 
year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more 
trouble than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode 
is faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
move.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 
55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Mike Hammett]

I think your view of VISP is very dated. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Moore"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either company. 
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing. If you need your hand 
held, VISP is the go to billing system. 
Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using. 

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote: 

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority 
for us again. We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right 
now. How would Sonar compare to VISP? 


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron 
 wrote: 
> 
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago. Both worked well. Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble than 
> we expected, but graphing and other items are better. Powercode is faster, 
> you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable than 
> Sonar. Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to Preseem 
> and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy. Overall, we 
> are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination. We have some ongoing 
> problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term move. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> David Coudron 
> david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 
> 
> Advantenon, Inc. 
> i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
> www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt 
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM 
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 
> 
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform. 
> What is everyone using? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Daniel Moore]

VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java.  Java is dated.

From: AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

I think your view of VISP is very dated.


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From: "Daniel Moore" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either company.
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing.  If you need your hand 
held, VISP is the go to billing system.
Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using.

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote:

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
 wrote:
>
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a 
year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more 
trouble than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode 
is faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
move.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
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55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Mike Hammett]

https://app.visp.net/ 




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- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Moore"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:46:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 



VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java. Java is dated. 


From: AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett  
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Date: Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 



I think your view of VISP is very dated. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Daniel Moore"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either company. 
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing. If you need your hand 
held, VISP is the go to billing system. 
Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using. 

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote: 

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority 
for us again. We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right 
now. How would Sonar compare to VISP? 


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron 
 wrote: 
> 
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago. Both worked well. Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble than 
> we expected, but graphing and other items are better. Powercode is faster, 
> you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable than 
> Sonar. Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to Preseem 
> and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy. Overall, we 
> are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination. We have some ongoing 
> problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term move. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> David Coudron 
> david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 
> 
> Advantenon, Inc. 
> i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
> www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt 
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM 
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 
> 
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform. 
> What is everyone using? 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt Hoppes]

+2 for Powercode here.

On 1/31/20 7:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

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*From: *"Daniel Moore" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:46:26 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java.  Java is dated.

*From: *AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

I think your view of VISP is very dated.



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*From: *"Daniel Moore" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either 
company.
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing.  If you need 
your hand held, VISP is the go to billing system.

Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using.

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt" behalf of matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:


     Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
     for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
     now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


     On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
      wrote:
     >
     > We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little 
over a year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar 
was more trouble than we expected, but graphing and other items are 
better.   Powercode is faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes 
were always more reliable than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through 
Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to Preseem and the integration through 
Preseem is very clean and very easy.  Overall, we are happy with the 
Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some ongoing problem points 
with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term move.

     >
     > Regards,
     >
     > David Coudron
     > david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
     >
     > Advantenon, Inc.
     > i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, 
Plymouth, MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  | 
  Local: 612-454-1545

     >
     >
     >
     > -Original Message-
     > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
     > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
     > To: af@af.afmug.com
     > Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
     >
     > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
     > What is everyone using?
     >
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Sean Heskett]

Haven’t used VISP so I’m unfamiliar.  But I would highly recommend sonar.

We Started on platypus, migrated to powercode.  We were on powercode for a
little over a year and although it was an upgrade from platypus it still
didn’t meet our needs.  at the time they didn’t have RADIUS implemented
which platypus did so we were basically running both side by side which was
a PITA.

Migrated to sonar a couple years ago and haven’t looked back.  They are a
very forward thinking company and are quick to fix issues and add new
features.  Sonar also integrates with a ton of external tools like text
messaging etc.

I would highly recommend sonar.  But like I said we’ve never tried VISP so
I’m unfamiliar with it.

2 cents

-Sean


On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:58 PM Matt  wrote:

> Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
> for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
> now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
>  wrote:
> >
> > We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a
> year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more
> trouble than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.
>  Powercode is faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always
> more reliable than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy,
> but we moved to Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean
> and very easy.  Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem
> combination.  We have some ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like
> we made the right long term move.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Coudron
> > david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
> >
> > Advantenon, Inc.
> > i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
> 612-454-1545
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
> >
> > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> > What is everyone using?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Ken Hohhof]

Billing platform:



(cooing also)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 6:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

 

Haven’t used VISP so I’m unfamiliar.  But I would highly recommend sonar.

 

We Started on platypus, migrated to powercode.  We were on powercode for a 
little over a year and although it was an upgrade from platypus it still didn’t 
meet our needs.  at the time they didn’t have RADIUS implemented which platypus 
did so we were basically running both side by side which was a PITA.  

 

Migrated to sonar a couple years ago and haven’t looked back.  They are a very 
forward thinking company and are quick to fix issues and add new features.  
Sonar also integrates with a ton of external tools like text messaging etc.

 

I would highly recommend sonar.  But like I said we’ve never tried VISP so I’m 
unfamiliar with it.

 

2 cents

 

-Sean

 

 

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:58 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:
>
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble 
> than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode is 
> faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
> than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
> Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
> Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
> ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
> move.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>   |  
> Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com <mailto:i...@advantenon.com>   |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
> Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com 
> <http://www.advantenon.com>   |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Timothy Steele]

Sonar, Powercode, UNMS/CRM

Pick your poison

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 9:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Billing platform:
>
> [image: A small bird sitting on a wooden surface Description automatically
> generated]
>
> (cooing also)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 6:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
>
>
> Haven’t used VISP so I’m unfamiliar.  But I would highly recommend sonar.
>
>
>
> We Started on platypus, migrated to powercode.  We were on powercode for a
> little over a year and although it was an upgrade from platypus it still
> didn’t meet our needs.  at the time they didn’t have RADIUS implemented
> which platypus did so we were basically running both side by side which was
> a PITA.
>
>
>
> Migrated to sonar a couple years ago and haven’t looked back.  They are a
> very forward thinking company and are quick to fix issues and add new
> features.  Sonar also integrates with a ton of external tools like text
> messaging etc.
>
>
>
> I would highly recommend sonar.  But like I said we’ve never tried VISP so
> I’m unfamiliar with it.
>
>
>
> 2 cents
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:58 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
> for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
> now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
>  wrote:
> >
> > We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a
> year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more
> trouble than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.
>  Powercode is faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always
> more reliable than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy,
> but we moved to Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean
> and very easy.  Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem
> combination.  We have some ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like
> we made the right long term move.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Coudron
> > david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
> >
> > Advantenon, Inc.
> > i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
> 612-454-1545
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
> >
> > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> > What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Daniel White]

Mike,

Are you running v8?  Been curious what the feedback is on it.


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*From: *"Daniel Moore" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:46:26 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java.  Java is dated.

*From: *AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

I think your view of VISP is very dated.



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*From: *"Daniel Moore" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either 
company.
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing.  If you need 
your hand held, VISP is the go to billing system.

Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using.

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt" on behalf of matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
    for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
    now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


    On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
     wrote:
    >
    > We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a 
little over a year ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management 
under Sonar was more trouble than we expected, but graphing and other 
items are better.   Powercode is faster, you can sort lists better, 
and the probes were always more reliable than Sonar.   Sonar's 
integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to Preseem and the 
integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  Overall, we 
are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right 
long term move.

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    > Regards,
    >
    > David Coudron
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Plymouth, MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  | 
 Local: 612-454-1545

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    >
    >
    > -Original Message-
    > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
    > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
    > To: af@af.afmug.com
    > Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
    >
    > Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
    > What is everyone using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Mike Hammett]

No, I run Sonar. Still v1. ;-) 


The web-based version of VISP was under development for a number of years, but 
as I understand, it is now publicly available. That means no more Java client. 





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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mike Hammett" 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:54:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 


Mike, 

Are you running v8? Been curious what the feedback is on it. 



photograph  Daniel White 
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770 
Mike Hammett wrote on 1/31/20 17:41: 



https://app.visp.net/ 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Moore"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:46:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 



VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java. Java is dated. 


From: AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett  
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Date: Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 



I think your view of VISP is very dated. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Daniel Moore"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 

You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either company. 
VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing. If you need your hand 
held, VISP is the go to billing system. 
Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using. 

On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote: 

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority 
for us again. We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right 
now. How would Sonar compare to VISP? 


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron 
 wrote: 
> 
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago. Both worked well. Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble than 
> we expected, but graphing and other items are better. Powercode is faster, 
> you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable than 
> Sonar. Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to Preseem 
> and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy. Overall, we 
> are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination. We have some ongoing 
> problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term move. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> David Coudron 
> david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 
> 
> Advantenon, Inc. 
> i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
> www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt 
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM 
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform 
> 
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform. 
> What is everyone using? 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Jason Wilson]

If anyone is running the newest release of VISP (web based) Please chime
in.  Even better if you have used Sonar.

Jason


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On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 11:19 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> No, I run Sonar. Still v1.  ;-)
>
> The web-based version of VISP was under development for a number of years,
> but as I understand, it is now publicly available. That means no more Java
> client.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Daniel White" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mike
> Hammett" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 2, 2020 12:54:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Mike,
>
> Are you running v8?  Been curious what the feedback is on it.
>
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
> Mike Hammett wrote on 1/31/20 17:41:
>
> https://app.visp.net/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Daniel Moore" 
> 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:46:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> VISP is built on Java. Not JS, but Java.  Java is dated.
>
>
>
> *From: *AF   on behalf
> of Mike Hammett  
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Date: *Friday, January 31, 2020 at 4:40 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
>
>
> I think your view of VISP is very dated.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Daniel Moore" 
> 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 31, 2020 4:37:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> You can't really compare Sonar to VISP IMO, that is not fair to either
> company.
> VISP is very old and does not do much more than billing.  If you need your
> hand held, VISP is the go to billing system.
> Sonar is new, and is probably what you want to heavily consider using.
>
> On 1/31/20, 2:58 PM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  behalf of matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
> Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
> for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
> now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM Dav