Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Run a whole house UPS, get a couple of these 8KW units. http://www.outbackpower.com/products/integrated-systems/flexpower-radian On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there > was a battery fault. Combine that with batteries in a non controlled space > and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and you can > see a dead battery pretty rapidly. Those things are time bombs. If you're > changing batteries on a schedule you're resetting the clock on the time > bomb, but that baby is still ticking. > > > On 3/30/2020 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Smart vs Back operate differently. Probably the most annoying one, is > that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is > bad. So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery > is a little old. > > XL is faster charger, yes. That recovers battery voltage when the power > comes on. I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but > in my experience it stays up when it's back up. > > As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually. > It works at 100% of AC sites. In a couple data center like sites I do have > the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or >> not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger. But I >> guess that’s for tower sites. >> >> >> >> I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a >> battery change every 3-5 years. They had several different model numbers >> but all looked similar. The larger tower models always seemed to get >> swollen batteries that would get wedged inside. The best SmartUPS model >> for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL. Those didn’t seem to destroy >> batteries like the tower models. >> >> >> >> What problems did you have with the BackUPS models? For a home UPS you >> probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS >> >> >> >> I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted >> it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen >> wrote: >> >> On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> > No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great >> to >> > us over the years. >> > >> > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. >> >> >> I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there was a battery fault. Combine that with batteries in a non controlled space and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and you can see a dead battery pretty rapidly. Those things are time bombs. If you're changing batteries on a schedule you're resetting the clock on the time bomb, but that baby is still ticking. On 3/30/2020 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Smart vs Back operate differently. Probably the most annoying one, is that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is bad. So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery is a little old. XL is faster charger, yes. That recovers battery voltage when the power comes on. I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but in my experience it stays up when it's back up. As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually. It works at 100% of AC sites. In a couple data center like sites I do have the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger. But I guess that’s for tower sites. I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a battery change every 3-5 years. They had several different model numbers but all looked similar. The larger tower models always seemed to get swollen batteries that would get wedged inside. The best SmartUPS model for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL. Those didn’t seem to destroy batteries like the tower models. What problems did you have with the BackUPS models? For a home UPS you probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring. *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote: On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to > us over the years. > > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Smart vs Back operate differently. Probably the most annoying one, is that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is bad. So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery is a little old. XL is faster charger, yes. That recovers battery voltage when the power comes on. I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but in my experience it stays up when it's back up. As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually. It works at 100% of AC sites. In a couple data center like sites I do have the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not > XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger. But I > guess that’s for tower sites. > > > > I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a > battery change every 3-5 years. They had several different model numbers > but all looked similar. The larger tower models always seemed to get > swollen batteries that would get wedged inside. The best SmartUPS model > for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL. Those didn’t seem to destroy > batteries like the tower models. > > > > What problems did you have with the BackUPS models? For a home UPS you > probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS > > > > I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted it > every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to > > us over the years. > > > > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. > > > I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger. But I guess that’s for tower sites. I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a battery change every 3-5 years. They had several different model numbers but all looked similar. The larger tower models always seemed to get swollen batteries that would get wedged inside. The best SmartUPS model for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL. Those didn’t seem to destroy batteries like the tower models. What problems did you have with the BackUPS models? For a home UPS you probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote: On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to > us over the years. > > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to > > us over the years. > > > > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. > > > I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to us over the years. 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to us over the years. 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. If you can, refurb ones are fantastic - especially the 750. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:44 AM Colin Stanners wrote: > We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without > issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine > with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to > put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so > that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. > > Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net < > p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > >> What is a good UPS to use at home? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
In my experience running at a fraction of the load to obtain longer runtime does work well with at least the Smart-UPS units; UPSes / inverters will be less efficient at the lower load, but at the same time batteries are more efficient at a lower discharge rate. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:14 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The only new thing I’ve seen is I think there are some UPS models now > using Li-ion batteries, but still like Colin says, almost no UPS is > designed for long runtime without external battery packs. Even buying a > higher power unit and running it at a fraction of rated load doesn’t help > much because they are inefficient at low load. > > > > I forget who was selling the Li-ion units. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:50 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS > > > > Hard to go wrong with a Generac. They really are not that expensive. > > > > *From:* Colin Stanners > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS > > > > Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load > for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think > that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in > 1000-1500VA UPS models. > > > > There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided > and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years. > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, < > p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > > Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC > Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if > > there were any new options available that might be better. > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke wrote: > > Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with > 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the > waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the > portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all > underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 > years we've lived here. > > On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It > matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want > enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple > hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now > which changes the UPS strategy. > > > > Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be > bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual > conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external > extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would > probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your > electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual > conversion is probably an expensive overkill. > > > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On > Behalf Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS > > > > We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without > issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine > with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to > put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so > that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. > > > > Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net < > p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > > What is a good UPS to use at home? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
The only new thing I’ve seen is I think there are some UPS models now using Li-ion batteries, but still like Colin says, almost no UPS is designed for long runtime without external battery packs. Even buying a higher power unit and running it at a fraction of rated load doesn’t help much because they are inefficient at low load. I forget who was selling the Li-ion units. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:50 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS Hard to go wrong with a Generac. They really are not that expensive. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA UPS models. There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> , mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote: Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if there were any new options available that might be better. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote: Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 years we've lived here. On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS strategy. Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote: What is a good UPS to use at home? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Hard to go wrong with a Generac. They really are not that expensive. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA UPS models. There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, wrote: Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if there were any new options available that might be better. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke wrote: Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 years we've lived here. On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS strategy. Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net wrote: What is a good UPS to use at home? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA UPS models. There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC > Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if > there were any new options available that might be better. > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke wrote: > >> Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with >> 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the >> waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the >> portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all >> underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 >> years we've lived here. >> >> On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It >> matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want >> enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple >> hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now >> which changes the UPS strategy. >> >> >> >> Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be >> bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual >> conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external >> extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would >> probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your >> electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual >> conversion is probably an expensive overkill. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On >> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS >> >> >> >> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time >> without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work >> fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good >> to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice >> so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. >> >> >> >> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net < >> p...@believewireless.net> wrote: >> >> What is a good UPS to use at home? >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if there were any new options available that might be better. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke wrote: > Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with > 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the > waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the > portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all > underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 > years we've lived here. > > On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It > matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want > enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple > hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now > which changes the UPS strategy. > > > > Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be > bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual > conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external > extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would > probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your > electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual > conversion is probably an expensive overkill. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS > > > > We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without > issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine > with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to > put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so > that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. > > > > Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net < > p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > > What is a good UPS to use at home? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
Yes, Depends on what your load is. At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 120AH batteries. It runs everything in my home office, plus the waterheater/furnace (heat only). It's on a transfer switch to plug the portable generator into it for an extended outage. Luckily I'm on all underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 years we've lived here. On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS strategy. Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> <mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote: What is a good UPS to use at home? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need? It matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours. Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS strategy. Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome. I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery. But the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office. And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill. From: AF On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote: What is a good UPS to use at home? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery. Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > What is a good UPS to use at home? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
