Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Ryan Ray 
It may be hard to give others your money but for WIFI it doesn't seem like
anything even compares to the Calix solution. We haven't even tried the
Gigaspires yet and instead stick to the 844e and 804 but I've been meaning
to see how the new routers operate and take a look at the client experience
via the app.

Before choosing Calix I tried all sorts of routers and tr69 integrations
with friendly-tech. Nothing compared, so the cost seems worth it.

I can say our wifi problems are basically gone from the network at this
point with the Calix's out there. It's nice.



On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 4:44 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> That was what I liked about the Ubiquiti Amplifi Pro...  you could set
> those things and even have it mesh over 2.4..  Which I did in the middle
> of a hanger full of cell phone hot spots and it performed quite decently...
>
> On 10/06/2020 03:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I totally agree.  AFAIK, you have no control over the channels and
> > widths on Google WiFi or Eero or most of the other similar products out
> > there.  I think Orbi gives you some control over the fronthaul but not
> > backhaul.
> >
> > It would be nice if the service partner partnership controls let you set
> > the 5 GHz channels but I’m guessing no.
> >
> > Big problem for 5 GHz WISP customers.  It’s one of the good things about
> > CBRS.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:40 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
> >
> > That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses...
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof  > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Just saw this article:
> >
> >
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers
> >
> > *From:* AF  > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
> >
> > Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the
> > HAP-AC-lites.  I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested
> > the routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we
> > have many homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi
> > signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput.
> > Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP.
> > I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for
> > max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish
> > the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as
> > well...
> >
> > We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in
> > all ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if
> > there is something out there that we can manage and works.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof  > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And
> > are you interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?
> >
> > Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers,
> > the highest performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the
> > Audience model.  High xmt power and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in
> > U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the IPQ4019 is used
> > in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could
> > configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with
> > the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good.  I will say that when
> > used in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very
> > robust.  And that approach does follow what many people
> > recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt
> > power too high on the APs but make the backhaul between them
> solid.
> >
> > Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of
> > chocolates.  And if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality
> wins.
> >
> > *From:* AF  > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
> via AF
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Use

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Robert Andrews 
That was what I liked about the Ubiquiti Amplifi Pro...  you could set 
those things and even have it mesh over 2.4..  Which I did in the middle 
of a hanger full of cell phone hot spots and it performed quite decently...


On 10/06/2020 03:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I totally agree.  AFAIK, you have no control over the channels and 
widths on Google WiFi or Eero or most of the other similar products out 
there.  I think Orbi gives you some control over the fronthaul but not 
backhaul.


It would be nice if the service partner partnership controls let you set 
the 5 GHz channels but I’m guessing no.


Big problem for 5 GHz WISP customers.  It’s one of the good things about 
CBRS.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses...

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Just saw this article:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the
HAP-AC-lites.  I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested
the routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we
have many homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi
signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput.
Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP.
I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for
max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish
the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as
well...

We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in
all ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if
there is something out there that we can manage and works.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And
are you interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?

Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers,
the highest performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the
Audience model.  High xmt power and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in
U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the IPQ4019 is used
in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could
configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with
the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good.  I will say that when
used in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very
robust.  And that approach does follow what many people
recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt
power too high on the APs but make the backhaul between them solid.

Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of
chocolates.  And if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
*Cc:* Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last
week), I ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received
shipping notification... :)



*Jesse DuPont*

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>
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On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont
mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> wrote:

For us, we include a router with the service so the
extra value of the ac3 (compared to the ac) and somewhat
better (at least theoretical) reach (compared to the
ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I totally agree.  AFAIK, you have no control over the channels and widths on 
Google WiFi or Eero or most of the other similar products out there.  I think 
Orbi gives you some control over the fronthaul but not backhaul.

 

It would be nice if the service partner partnership controls let you set the 5 
GHz channels but I’m guessing no.

 

Big problem for 5 GHz WISP customers.  It’s one of the good things about CBRS.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses...

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Just saw this article:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the HAP-AC-lites.  
I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested the routers and yes, WiFi 
performance is marginal at best, and we have many homes here in NM with adobe 
walls that just gobble up wifi signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of 
range and throughput. Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 
50mbps TCP. I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for 
max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish the UI wasn't 
so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as well...

We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in all ways. 
But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if there is something out 
there that we can manage and works.

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And are you 
interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?

 

Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest 
performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model.  High xmt power 
and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the 
IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could 
configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with the QCA9984 would 
probably be pretty good.  I will say that when used in a mesh configuration, 
the backhaul channel is very robust.  And that approach does follow what many 
people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt power too 
high on the APs but make the backhaul between them solid.

 

Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.  And if 
reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont via AF
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>; Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> >
Cc: Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I ordered 
2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping notification... :)

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > wrote:

For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3 
(compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach (compared 
to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a Mikrotik product 
to fill. We'll see how the tests go.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/ <http://facebook.com/> celeritynetworksllc

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On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not 
clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Mathew Howard 
That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses...

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Just saw this article:
>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the
> HAP-AC-lites.  I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested the
> routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we have many
> homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi signal. I have
> tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput. Both are better, but
> still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP. I would bet that I have not
> configured the Audience correctly for max throughput. I have not added any
> Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The
> documentation is fiddly as well...
>
> We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in all
> ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if there is
> something out there that we can manage and works.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And are you
> interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?
>
>
>
> Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest
> performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model.  High xmt
> power and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel,
> while the IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single
> router, you could configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance
> with the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good.  I will say that when used
> in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very robust.  And that
> approach does follow what many people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs
> - don’t crank up the xmt power too high on the APs but make the backhaul
> between them solid.
>
>
>
> Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.  And
> if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Jesse DuPont 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I
> ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping
> notification... :)
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont 
> wrote:
>
> For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3
> (compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach
> (compared to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a
> Mikrotik product to fill. We'll see how the tests go.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
>
>
> On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> 2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not
> clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  ;
> Sam Lambie  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to
> seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Thanks David.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Just saw this article:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the HAP-AC-lites.  
I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested the routers and yes, WiFi 
performance is marginal at best, and we have many homes here in NM with adobe 
walls that just gobble up wifi signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of 
range and throughput. Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 
50mbps TCP. I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for 
max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish the UI wasn't 
so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as well...

We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in all ways. 
But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if there is something out 
there that we can manage and works.

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And are you 
interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?

 

Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest 
performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model.  High xmt power 
and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the 
IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could 
configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with the QCA9984 would 
probably be pretty good.  I will say that when used in a mesh configuration, 
the backhaul channel is very robust.  And that approach does follow what many 
people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt power too 
high on the APs but make the backhaul between them solid.

 

Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.  And if 
reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont via AF
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>; Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> >
Cc: Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I ordered 
2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping notification... :)

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > wrote:

For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3 
(compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach (compared 
to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a Mikrotik product 
to fill. We'll see how the tests go.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/ <http://facebook.com/> celeritynetworksllc

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On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not 
clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
; Sam Lambie  <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to 
seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Thanks David. 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We started with Ha

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Sam Lambie 
Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the
HAP-AC-lites.  I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested the
routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we have many
homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi signal. I have
tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput. Both are better, but
still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP. I would bet that I have not
configured the Audience correctly for max throughput. I have not added any
Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The
documentation is fiddly as well...
We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in all
ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if there is
something out there that we can manage and works.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And are you
> interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?
>
>
>
> Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest
> performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model.  High xmt
> power and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel,
> while the IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single
> router, you could configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance
> with the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good.  I will say that when used
> in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very robust.  And that
> approach does follow what many people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs
> - don’t crank up the xmt power too high on the APs but make the backhaul
> between them solid.
>
>
>
> Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.  And
> if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Jesse DuPont 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I
> ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping
> notification... :)
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont 
> wrote:
>
> For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3
> (compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach
> (compared to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a
> Mikrotik product to fill. We'll see how the tests go.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
>
>
> On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> 2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not
> clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  ;
> Sam Lambie  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to
> seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Thanks David.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly
> better.   We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there,
> and we have not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better
> option in our opinion.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We have deplo

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Ken Hohhof 
What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And are you 
interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?

 

Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers, the highest 
performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the Audience model.  High xmt power 
and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the 
IPQ4019 is used in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could 
configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with the QCA9984 would 
probably be pretty good.  I will say that when used in a mesh configuration, 
the backhaul channel is very robust.  And that approach does follow what many 
people recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt power too 
high on the APs but make the backhaul between them solid.

 

Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates.  And if 
reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality wins.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont via AF
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Sam Lambie 

Cc: Jesse DuPont 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last week), I ordered 
2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received shipping notification... :)

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > wrote:

For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3 
(compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach (compared 
to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a Mikrotik product 
to fill. We'll see how the tests go.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not 
clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
; Sam Lambie  <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to 
seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Thanks David. 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better. 
  We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have 
not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better option in our opinion.

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the 
customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom 
configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of.

However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in 
the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered 
some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out. 

We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because 
handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a bummer.


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Jesse DuPont via AF 

  
  
Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last
week), I ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received
shipping notification... :)

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont
Owner
  / Network
  Architect
  email:
  jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity
  Networks LLC / Celerity
Broadband LLC
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On 10/6/20 8:20 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:


  
  I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get
them Jesse?
  
  
On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM
  Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>
  wrote:


   For us, we include a router with the service so the
extra value of the ac3 (compared to the ac) and somewhat
better (at least theoretical) reach (compared to the ac2)
puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a Mikrotik
product to fill. We'll see how the tests go.

  
Jesse DuPont
Owner / Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity
  Networks LLC / Celerity
Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
 
  

On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
2
chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains
2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not clear a few dB of antenna gain
makes up for fewer chains.
 

  
From: AF 
On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ;
Sam Lambie 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP
        Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
  

 
We just ordered a couple of the new
  hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to seeing how they
  do. The external antenna should be helpful.

   
  Jesse DuPont
  Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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  On
  10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:


  
Thanks
David. 

   

  
   
  

  On
  Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
  wrote:


  

  We started with Hap ac
lite and moved to the ac2.   It is
significantly better.   We had some ethernet
port failures on the ac lite here and there,
and we have not seen that on the ac2
either.   So it is a much better option in
our opinion.
   
  Thanks,
   
  David Coudron
  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50
AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP
Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
   
  
We have deploying the
  hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love
  the customization that you can do with
  flashing t

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-06 Thread Sam Lambie 
I haven't found any HAP ac3's. Where did you get them Jesse?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of the ac3
> (compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least theoretical) reach
> (compared to the ac2) puts it in a value slot we've struggled to find a
> Mikrotik product to fill. We'll see how the tests go.
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
>
> On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> 2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not
> clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  ;
> Sam Lambie  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to
> seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Thanks David.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly
> better.   We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there,
> and we have not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better
> option in our opinion.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the
> customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom
> configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are
> capable of.
>
> However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a
> recommendation in the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable
> that works? I ordered some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show
> almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help
> out.
>
> We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because
> handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a
> bummer.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
For us, we include a router with the service so the extra value of
the ac3 (compared to the ac) and somewhat better (at least
theoretical) reach (compared to the ac2) puts it in a value slot
we've struggled to find a Mikrotik product to fill. We'll see how
the tests go.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont
Owner
  / Network
  Architect
  email:
  jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity
  Networks LLC / Celerity
Broadband LLC
  Like us!
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On 10/5/20 6:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
2
chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3
chains 5.  Not clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for
fewer chains.
 

  
From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jesse
DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
; Sam Lambie

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks
for Wifi
  

 
We just ordered a couple of the new hAP
  ac3's to test - looking forward to seeing how they do. The
  external antenna should be helpful.

  

  Jesse DuPont
  Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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  On
  10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:


  
Thanks
David. 

   

  
   
  

  On
  Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
  wrote:


  

  We started with Hap ac lite and
moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better.   We
had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here
and there, and we have not seen that on the ac2
either.   So it is a much better option in our
opinion.
   
  Thanks,
   
  David Coudron
  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks
for Wifi
   
  
We have deploying the
  hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the
  customization that you can do with flashing the
  routers with a custom configuration, graphing, and
  all the other things that Mikrotiks are
  capable of.

  However, the WiFi sucks a big
bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation
in the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty
affordable that works? I ordered some HAP-AC2
but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7
db gain in 2.4 and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe
that will help out. 


  We are trying hard not to go
the managed WiFi solution as of yet because
handing money over to someone else to manage
something like WiFi is a bummer.

  
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
2 chains 2.4GHz, 2 chains 5 GHz.  hAP ac is 3 chains 2.4, 3 chains 5.  Not 
clear a few dB of antenna gain makes up for fewer chains.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Sam Lambie 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking forward to 
seeing how they do. The external antenna should be helpful.

 

Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> 
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

 

On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Thanks David. 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better. 
  We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have 
not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better option in our opinion.

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the 
customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom 
configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of.

However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in 
the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered 
some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out. 

We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because 
handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a bummer.


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
We have been using hAP ac.  Had also been offering the hAP ac Lite as a cheaper 
option main difference being it is 10/100 plus it’s so small nobody takes it 
seriously.  WiFi might be somewhat diminished because the internal antennas are 
squished into a smaller space, but I never saw a huge difference.

 

WiFi performance is not Mikrotik’s strength, I think the main deficiency is no 
DFS frequencies for US market.  But also antennas don’t match the fancier store 
brands.

 

Latest FW for some reason you have to change a setting from indoor to any 
before it will let you use U-NII-3.

 

I did a comparison in my 3 story 100 year old house between my Technicolor 
cable modem, hAP ac, and Audience.  Honestly they were all pretty similar.  It 
seems to me where the higher end (non Mikrotik) routers do better is when you 
get several rooms away, being able to use multipath and still get a decent 
modulation.

 

I have a handful of customers with 2 or 3 unit Audience mesh systems (not 
really true mesh).  The customers are happy.  We can manage it remotely.  I 
think the Audience prices have come down to where it’s now comparable to hAP 
ac, which isn’t saying much because hAP ac is overpriced.  But the Audience is 
pretty.  hAP and all similar Mikrotik routers are somewhere on the spectrum 
between homely and ugly, they don’t make a good first impression.

 

I wouldn’t agree that Mikrotik hAP ac family WiFi performance sucks, but 
mediocre probably describes it, plus no DFS channels.  So if you’re #1 
criterion is WiFi performance, Mikrotik should probably not be your choice.

 

The interesting thing is there are lots of store brands with lots of very 
impressive external antennas, but then there’s the Google OnGo routers from 
ASUS and TP-Link, which are physically very similar to Mikrotik’s Audience.  
And most cable modems, even from the ISPs that tout their superior “whole-home 
WiFi” have internal antennas, albeit in a giant case.  So I’m not sure if the 
fancy antennas really that much extra performance, or it’s just for show.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 6:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

Thanks David.

 

 

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better. 
  We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have 
not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better option in our opinion.

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

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Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

 

We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the 
customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom 
configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of.

However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in 
the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered 
some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out. 

We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because 
handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a bummer.


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
We just ordered a couple of the new hAP ac3's to test - looking
forward to seeing how they do. The external antenna should be
helpful.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 10/5/20 5:11 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:


  
  Thanks David.


  
  
  
On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM
  David Coudron 
  wrote:


  

  We started with Hap ac lite and moved
to the ac2.   It is significantly better.   We had some
ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there,
and we have not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is
a much better option in our opinion.
   
  Thanks,
   
  David Coudron
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for
Wifi
   
  
We have deploying the hap-ac-lite
  for over a year now and love the customization that
  you can do with flashing the routers with a custom
  configuration, graphing, and all the other things that
  Mikrotiks are capable of.

  However, the WiFi sucks a big bag
of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in the
Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable
that works? I ordered some HAP-AC2 but haven't
received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out. 


  We are trying hard not to go the
managed WiFi solution as of yet because handing
money over to someone else to manage something like
WiFi is a bummer.
  
  
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread Sam Lambie 
Thanks David.


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly
> better.   We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there,
> and we have not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better
> option in our opinion.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
>
>
>
> We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the
> customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom
> configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are
> capable of.
>
> However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a
> recommendation in the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable
> that works? I ordered some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show
> almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help
> out.
>
> We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because
> handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a
> bummer.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

2020-10-05 Thread David Coudron 
We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better. 
  We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have 
not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better option in our opinion.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the 
customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom 
configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of.
However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in 
the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered 
some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out.
We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because 
handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a bummer.

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