Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

Chuck, how about an electric dune buggy?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/7/18254329/volkswagen-id-buggy-electric-concept-car-geneva-motor-show-2019

 

Or get the MEB modular platform from VW and design / 3D print your own chassis 
for it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

736 Remington is not far from where we lived in Sunnyvale (we had a residence 
in Sunnyvale from 1980-1996 before we moved into the mountains).




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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 7:38 AM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

736 Remington Drive 1962-1969...   Lockheed was the big employer. 
Doctors were the top of the income pyramid..  Cherry orchards 
everywhere..  A different world in Sunnyvale back then...

On 3/9/19 7:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> 
> Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a 
> field job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our 
> company and laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me 
> because I was cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6, 
> half quit and walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining 
> employees of what had been over 600 when I'd started.
> 
> I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but 
> there were now openings all over the country; one of which was 
> Sunnyvale, California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the 
> service, and I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area _*_WAY_*_ better 
> than Gary, so I said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was 
> like the proverbial "coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> wrote:
> 
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>     *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just
> driving down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of
> them going the opposite direction.
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:
> 
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
> 
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>  > If only…..
>  >
>  > *From:* AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>  > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
>  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
>  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>  >
>  > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be
> an electric
>  > car?  Is it just electric + price?
>  >
>  >
>  > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
> the only
>  > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>  >
>  > Josh Luthman
>  > Office: 937-552-2340
>  > Direct: 937-552-2343
>  > 1100 Wayne St
>  > Suite 1337
>  > Troy, OH 45373
>  >
>  > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
>  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> wrote:
>  >
>  > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>  >
>  > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>  > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>  > P85D is the performance version.
>  > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>  >
>          > Seriously considering a used model S.
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
>  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>  > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
>      >     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>  >
>  > Warren

Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

736 Remington is not far from where we lived in Sunnyvale (we had a
residence in Sunnyvale from 1980-1996 before we moved into the mountains).

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 7:38 AM Robert  wrote:

> 736 Remington Drive 1962-1969...   Lockheed was the big employer.
> Doctors were the top of the income pyramid..  Cherry orchards
> everywhere..  A different world in Sunnyvale back then...
>
> On 3/9/19 7:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >
> > Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a
> > field job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our
> > company and laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me
> > because I was cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6,
> > half quit and walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining
> > employees of what had been over 600 when I'd started.
> >
> > I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but
> > there were now openings all over the country; one of which was
> > Sunnyvale, California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the
> > service, and I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area _*_WAY_*_ better
> > than Gary, so I said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was
> > like the proverbial "coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.
> >
> > --
> > bp
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Did you move there before the electronics boom?
> > *From:* Bill Prince
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just
> > driving down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of
> > them going the opposite direction.
> > --
> > bp
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews
> >  wrote:
> >
> > & I was just driving behind a 100D
> >
> >     On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> >  > If only…..
> >  >
> >  > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh
> Luthman
> >  > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> >  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >  >
> >  > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be
> > an electric
> >  > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
> > the only
> >  > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a
> windshield.
> >  >
> >  > Josh Luthman
> >  > Office: 937-552-2340
> >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  > Suite 1337
> >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  >  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >  >
> >      >     60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> >  > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> >  > P85D is the performance version.
> >  > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >  >
> >  > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >      >     From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> >  > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >  >
> >  > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> >  > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: Robert Andrews
> >  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> >  > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

736 Remington Drive 1962-1969...   Lockheed was the big employer. 
Doctors were the top of the income pyramid..  Cherry orchards 
everywhere..  A different world in Sunnyvale back then...


On 3/9/19 7:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a 
field job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our 
company and laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me 
because I was cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6, 
half quit and walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining 
employees of what had been over 600 when I'd started.


I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but 
there were now openings all over the country; one of which was 
Sunnyvale, California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the 
service, and I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area _*_WAY_*_ better 
than Gary, so I said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was 
like the proverbial "coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Did you move there before the electronics boom?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just
driving down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of
them going the opposite direction.
--
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
 > If only…..
 >
 > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
 > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
         > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be
an electric
 > car?  Is it just electric + price?
 >
 >
 > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
the only
 > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
 >
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.
 > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
 > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 >
 >     -Original Message-----
 > From: Robert Andrews
 > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
 > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the
lease is expired.
 > > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased
range is
 > rumored
 >  > to be out in June.
 >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time
around.
 >  > Any opinions?
 > >
 >  >
 >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

It's a single lane, mountain road, and I don't travel according to the
commute direction.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 5:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com >>
> wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com >
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
> > wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
> >  >
> >  >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a field
job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our company and
laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me because I was
cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6, half quit and
walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining employees of what had
been over 600 when I'd started.

I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but
there were now openings all over the country; one of which was Sunnyvale,
California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the service, and
I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area *_WAY_* better than Gary, so I
said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was like the proverbial
"coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.


--
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>>
>> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>> > If only…..
>> >
>> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
>> electric
>> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
>> >
>> >
>> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
>> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>> >
>> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>> > P85D is the performance version.
>> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>> >
>> > Seriously considering a used model S.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> >     Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > Tesla 3
>> >
>> > Sorry, cheap shot !
>> >
>> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> wrote:
>> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
>> expired.
>> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>> > rumored
>> >  > to be out in June.
>> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>> >  > Any opinions?
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Darin Steffl]

I've got a Model 3 performance as my daily driver. Autopilot too.

Best car I've ever driven and owned. Faster than my Camaro ZL1 plus some
Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche cars I've driven.

I highly recommend a Tesla. The car gets frequent updates every 4-6 weeks
with new features and improvements to autopilot. Match 15, they'll release
an update that gives 5% more power to the motors. The car was 0 to 60 in
3.5s when I bought in August and now they have it down to 3.2s with
updates.



On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 7:56 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:

> I've ridden in a friend's big model S (P100D or whatever, the biggest
> one you can get).  Ludicrous mode is a fitting name, what a rocket.
> Freaky going that fast without an engine scream.  Beautiful exterior.
> Interior is a ripoff for what you pay.  Autopilot is a bit sketch in
> busy areas.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> >
> >
> > Did you move there before the electronics boom?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Prince
> >
> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> >
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> >
> >
> > Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > bp
> >
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> >
> > & I was just driving behind a 100D
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > > If only…..
> > >
> > > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
> electric
> > > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> > >
> > >
> > > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> > >
> > > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > > P85D is the performance version.
> > > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> > >
> > >     Seriously considering a used model S.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Robert Andrews
> > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > Tesla 3
> > >
> > > Sorry, cheap shot !
> > >
> > > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> wrote:
> > >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
> > >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > > rumored
> > >  > to be out in June.
> > >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> > >  > Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Caleb Knauer]

I've ridden in a friend's big model S (P100D or whatever, the biggest
one you can get).  Ludicrous mode is a fitting name, what a rocket.
Freaky going that fast without an engine scream.  Beautiful exterior.
Interior is a ripoff for what you pay.  Autopilot is a bit sketch in
busy areas.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
> the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the 
> opposite direction.
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:
>
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
> >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

Did you move there before the electronics boom?

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the opposite 
direction. 

 

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> If only…..
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
> car?  Is it just electric + price?
> 
> 
> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%20%0b> 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> 
> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> P85D is the performance version.
> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> 
> Seriously considering a used model S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> 
>     -----Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> Tesla 3
> 
> Sorry, cheap shot !
> 
> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> rumored
>  > to be out in June.
>  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>  > Any opinions?
>  >
>  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Chuck McCown]

Did you move there before the electronics boom?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the opposite 
direction. 

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  & I was just driving behind a 100D

  On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
  > If only…..
  > 
  > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
  > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
  > car?  Is it just electric + price?
  > 
  > 
  > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
  > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
  > 
  > Josh Luthman
  > Office: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373
  > 
  > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
  > 
  > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
  > 
  > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
  > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
  > P85D is the performance version.
  > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
  > 
  > Seriously considering a used model S.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
  >     Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
  > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > Tesla 3
  > 
  > Sorry, cheap shot !
  > 
  > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
  >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
  >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
  > rumored
  >  > to be out in June.
  >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
  >  > Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
opposite direction.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> >     -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

On 03/08/2019 03:27 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I got this one. AKA the Henry Ford model:

image.png

Kind of bogus subtracting the fuel savings from the purchase price.



Thats what comes out of Marketing when you legalize Pot!





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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:56 PM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:


If only…..

__ __



__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

__ __

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
electric car?  Is it just electric + price?


Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the
only similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.


__ __

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
 > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
expired.
 > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range
is rumored
 > to be out in June.
 > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 > Any opinions?
 >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

If only…..

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
car?  Is it just electric + price?



Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
 > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
rumored
 > to be out in June.
 > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 > Any opinions?
 >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Craig Schmaderer]

If only…..

[cid:image001.png@01D4D5CF.BB2B2320]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric car?  
Is it just electric + price?

Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> to be out in June.
> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> Any opinions?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

At this point it's more of a novelty than something I would rely on. The
latest iteration will start nagging if you take your hands off the steering
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:42 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> My main interest in Tesla is the autopilot feature. I admit I'm a
> distracted driver so I think would
> be of benefit.
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and seats
>> and doors and and and.
>>
>> We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas, Leafs). There
>> are a huge number of people for whom an electric car is far superior than a
>> ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant amount of overhead, the
>> maintenance is simpler, and they're way cheaper to operate.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
>> car?  Is it just electric + price?
>>
>> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
>> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>>>
>>> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>>> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>>> P85D is the performance version.
>>> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>>>
>>> Seriously considering a used model S.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>>
>>> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>>> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>>
>>> Tesla 3
>>>
>>> Sorry, cheap shot !
>>>
>>> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>>> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>>> rumored
>>> > to be out in June.
>>> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>>> > Any opinions?
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[can...@believewireless.net]

My main interest in Tesla is the autopilot feature. I admit I'm a
distracted driver so I think would
be of benefit.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and seats and
> doors and and and.
>
> We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas, Leafs). There
> are a huge number of people for whom an electric car is far superior than a
> ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant amount of overhead, the
> maintenance is simpler, and they're way cheaper to operate.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> car?  Is it just electric + price?
>
> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:
>
>> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>>
>> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>> P85D is the performance version.
>> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>>
>> Seriously considering a used model S.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>
>> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>
>> Tesla 3
>>
>> Sorry, cheap shot !
>>
>> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>> rumored
>> > to be out in June.
>> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>> > Any opinions?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

  
  
and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and
  seats and doors and and and.
We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas,
  Leafs). There are a huge number of people for whom an electric car
  is far superior than a ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant
  amount of overhead, the maintenance is simpler, and they're way
  cheaper to operate.

bp



On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply
have to be an electric car?  Is it just electric + price?

  Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
  the only similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a
  windshield.
  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  

  
  
  
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM
  <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:

Took
  me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
  
  60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
  85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
  P85D is the performance version.  
  Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
  
  Seriously considering a used model S.  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 
  
  Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
  I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews 
  Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 
  
  Tesla 3
  
  Sorry, cheap shot !
  
  On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease
  is expired.
  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased
  range is rumored 
  > to be out in June.
  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time
  around.
  > Any opinions?
  > 
  > 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Seth, do you know this guy?  It's all of 1 block from your office 
I recognize where his shop is, it's next door to where one of my 
customers used to be.


On 3/8/19 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Teslaonda?

https://youtu.be/0KSt_Y4gZgM


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:22 AM > wrote:


My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Josh Luthman]

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
car?  Is it just electric + price?

Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:

> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>
> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> P85D is the performance version.
> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>
> Seriously considering a used model S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Tesla 3
>
> Sorry, cheap shot !
>
> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> > to be out in June.
> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> > Any opinions?
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Sean Heskett]

Teslaonda?

https://youtu.be/0KSt_Y4gZgM


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:22 AM  wrote:

> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> to be out in June.
> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>
> Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Tesla has the full court press on for Renoites with factory tours/car 
demos and sales happening out of the factory.  Word is vehicle 
production is part of the next building expansion.


On 3/8/19 12:01 PM, dave wrote:

My Boss,

Just got his Tesla and its impressive. I got to ride in it when he first 
got it that day and I was floored at the performance it has.


Luckily we have 3 phase here so getting to hook up a super charger for 
it should be interesting.



On 3/8/19 12:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[dave]

My Boss,

Just got his Tesla and its impressive. I got to ride in it when he first 
got it that day and I was floored at the performance it has.


Luckily we have 3 phase here so getting to hook up a super charger for 
it should be interesting.



On 3/8/19 12:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Getting that with advanced cruise control ( backoff/speedup following 
vehicle in front.  )  Want what tesla does, so you can input an address 
in South Dakota and sit back and relax  That would pretty much 
eliminate my desire to fly.


On 3/8/19 11:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It is called cruise control...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the 
advanced autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
    than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
    which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
    full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
    1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
    around 900 miles per hour.

    Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, 
or a

    Prius, or a smart car.


    bp
    

    On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
    do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
    March 8,
     > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is 
expired.

 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/8/19 11:32, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It is called cruise control...



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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

It is called cruise control...

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the advanced 
autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
around 900 miles per hour.

Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or 
a

Prius, or a smart car.


bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
    March 8,
     > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is 
expired.

 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the 
advanced autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
around 900 miles per hour.

Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a
Prius, or a smart car.


bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
    March 8,
     > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Watch the youtube videos from rich rebuilds about his used purchase 
experience to set your expectations on buying used from Tesla, hope you 
have a better experience!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ro6kpKlw0

On 3/8/19 10:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Jason McKemie]

I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the advanced
autopilot software, ouch.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
> than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
> which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
> full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
> 1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
> around 900 miles per hour.
>
> Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a
> Prius, or a smart car.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to do it
> > probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, March
> > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
> > electric car
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8,
> > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
> > car
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> >> rumored to be out in June.
> >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >> Any opinions?
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter 
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger, 
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a 
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at 
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to 
around 900 miles per hour.


Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a 
Prius, or a smart car.



bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to do it 
probably.


Seriously considering a used model S.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, March 
8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new 
electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.  
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.


Seriously considering a used model S.  

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

You could go smaller.

https://www.smartusa.com/

 

Probably takes 2 AA batteries?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.

Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored to
be out in June.  

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Robert Andrews]

maybe like this?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/strongest-indoor-magnetic-field-blows-doors-tokyo-lab-180970436/


On 03/05/2019 07:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a 
100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.



On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about 
the only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not 
using a chemical reaction, just storing electrons.


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy 
density with very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - 
talk about the potential for a really big boom.


Mark

On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage 
of some sort. That would limit the short term grid impact.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to
350KW, but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or
take). To take advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle
battery packs will need to be enhanced to allow them to take that
amount of power.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just
under four minutes, lol!

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super
charger that could do 350KW.


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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running
to your house?  Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers
are 200-250kw.

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that
would be a 100 kWh battery.  OK, within the realm of
posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the
battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?

2223 amps of 480 service.

I am doubting this.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

Do something like mid-air refueling.  A truck with a  huge battery pack pulls 
up beside you  on the highway and recharges your car while you drive.  
Eliminates the need to build recharging stations everywhere.  And since your 
million dollar electric supercar no doubt has self driving, you don’t need to 
take rest stops.  Except I guess to use the bathroom.  I’m sure they’ll work 
that out.

 

I would say if you’re not going to drive, why not take Amtrak or Greyhound.  
Except then you have to mingle with THOSE people.  Plus I guess you need a car 
for short trips when you  get to your destination.  If you believe everything 
they say about the next generation where the future is going, nobody is going 
to own cars anyway.  They’ll take an Uber, or if they need a car to drive for a 
few days, they’ll rent one.  Maybe an electric supercar!  So rental fleets 
could be the target market.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

Well, it's kind of a necessary thing to make electric vehicles into a true 
replacement for gas. For 99% of what we do with cars, needing to recharge for 
4-8 hours every 300 miles or so, really isn't a problem... you drive to work, 
drive home, plug it back in and tomorrow it's ready to go again. But when you 
want to go on a 400 mile trip, you just can't do it - you're going to have to 
stop somewhere in the middle for half a day to recharge. Since there are limits 
on the number of hours a truck driver can drive in a day, I imagine that it 
would be possible to make it work with a big enough battery pack, and 
recharging stations in the right places... for things like police cars and 
taxis, you're not typically going far from where they're based, so just 
switching cars would be a realistic option. Granted, not a cheap option, but 
the difference in the cost of fuel could very well make it cheaper than burning 
gas. 

 

But if you can make a car that can be recharged practically as fast as filling 
a gas tank, you don't have to worry about any of that - it's just a matter of 
building the recharging stations, and they can be used the same as gas/diesel 
vehicles are used now. I think the idea of building a luxery supercar, is that 
you can show that it works, and you don't have to worry about how much it 
costs. There's nothing practical about a supercar anyway, so the practicality 
of it really doesn't matter.

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 9:56 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police cars, 
taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging for 4-8 hours because they’re 
not making money when they’re charging.

 

If someone is really concerned about recharging their luxury supercar in 4 
minutes because they’re driving it cross-country or something, they are going 
to have a problem finding the special charging stations.  If instead they’re 
just Matthew McConaughey wanting to take their Lincoln out on a 
spur-of-the-minute drive in a commercial, I doubt he needs to recharge it in 4 
minutes (or that there’s a special recharging station on his route).

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

then again the circuit will open once the ultracap melts whatever is 
shorting it.  Maybe every object is a fuse in that case.  
Just talking out of my rear, cuz I don't really know. 

On 3/5/2019 10:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a 100kwh 
equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.

On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the only 
way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a chemical 
reaction, just storing electrons. 

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/

 

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy density with 
very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - talk about the potential 
for a really big boom.

 

Mark

 

On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

 

A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of some 
sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact. 

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, but 
would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give 

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

Well, it's kind of a necessary thing to make electric vehicles into a true
replacement for gas. For 99% of what we do with cars, needing to recharge
for 4-8 hours every 300 miles or so, really isn't a problem... you drive to
work, drive home, plug it back in and tomorrow it's ready to go again. But
when you want to go on a 400 mile trip, you just can't do it - you're going
to have to stop somewhere in the middle for half a day to recharge. Since
there are limits on the number of hours a truck driver can drive in a day,
I imagine that it would be possible to make it work with a big enough
battery pack, and recharging stations in the right places... for things
like police cars and taxis, you're not typically going far from where
they're based, so just switching cars would be a realistic option. Granted,
not a cheap option, but the difference in the cost of fuel could very well
make it cheaper than burning gas.

But if you can make a car that can be recharged practically as fast as
filling a gas tank, you don't have to worry about any of that - it's just a
matter of building the recharging stations, and they can be used the same
as gas/diesel vehicles are used now. I think the idea of building a luxery
supercar, is that you can show that it works, and you don't have to worry
about how much it costs. There's nothing practical about a supercar anyway,
so the practicality of it really doesn't matter.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 9:56 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police
> cars, taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging for 4-8 hours because
> they’re not making money when they’re charging.
>
>
>
> If someone is really concerned about recharging their luxury supercar in 4
> minutes because they’re driving it cross-country or something, they are
> going to have a problem finding the special charging stations.  If instead
> they’re just Matthew McConaughey wanting to take their Lincoln out on a
> spur-of-the-minute drive in a commercial, I doubt he needs to recharge it
> in 4 minutes (or that there’s a special recharging station on his route).
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> then again the circuit will open once the ultracap melts whatever is
> shorting it.  Maybe every object is a fuse in that case.
> Just talking out of my rear, cuz I don't really know.
>
> On 3/5/2019 10:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
> You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a
> 100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.
>
> On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the
> only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a
> chemical reaction, just storing electrons.
>
>
>
>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/
>
>
>
> Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy density
> with very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - talk about the
> potential for a really big boom.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of
> some sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW,
> but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take
> advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need
> to be enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.
>
>
> --
>
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>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
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>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service y

Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

This is the article I saw:
https://electrek.co/2019/03/03/tesla-supercharger-v3/

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 7:56 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police
> cars, taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging for 4-8 hours because
> they’re not making money when they’re charging.
>
>
>
> If someone is really concerned about recharging their luxury supercar in 4
> minutes because they’re driving it cross-country or something, they are
> going to have a problem finding the special charging stations.  If instead
> they’re just Matthew McConaughey wanting to take their Lincoln out on a
> spur-of-the-minute drive in a commercial, I doubt he needs to recharge it
> in 4 minutes (or that there’s a special recharging station on his route).
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> then again the circuit will open once the ultracap melts whatever is
> shorting it.  Maybe every object is a fuse in that case.
> Just talking out of my rear, cuz I don't really know.
>
> On 3/5/2019 10:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
> You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a
> 100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.
>
> On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the
> only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a
> chemical reaction, just storing electrons.
>
>
>
>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/
>
>
>
> Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy density
> with very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - talk about the
> potential for a really big boom.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of
> some sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW,
> but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take
> advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need
> to be enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
>
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
>
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
>
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
>
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
>
>
> I am doubting this.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

Seems like fast charging would be more of an issue for trucks, police cars, 
taxis, etc. that can’t be off the road charging for 4-8 hours because they’re 
not making money when they’re charging.

 

If someone is really concerned about recharging their luxury supercar in 4 
minutes because they’re driving it cross-country or something, they are going 
to have a problem finding the special charging stations.  If instead they’re 
just Matthew McConaughey wanting to take their Lincoln out on a 
spur-of-the-minute drive in a commercial, I doubt he needs to recharge it in 4 
minutes (or that there’s a special recharging station on his route).

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

then again the circuit will open once the ultracap melts whatever is 
shorting it.  Maybe every object is a fuse in that case.  
Just talking out of my rear, cuz I don't really know. 

On 3/5/2019 10:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a 100kwh 
equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.



On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the only 
way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a chemical 
reaction, just storing electrons. 

 

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/

 

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy density with 
very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - talk about the potential 
for a really big boom.

 

Mark





On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

 

A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of some 
sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact. 

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, but 
would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take advantage of 
the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need to be enhanced to 
allow them to take that amount of power. 




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Adam Moffett]

then again the circuit will open once the ultracap melts whatever is 
shorting it.  Maybe every object is a fuse in that case.

Just talking out of my rear, cuz I don't really know.

On 3/5/2019 10:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on 
a 100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a 
bomb.



On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?    That’s about 
the only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not 
using a chemical reaction, just storing electrons.


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy 
density with very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - 
talk about the potential for a really big boom.


Mark

On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage 
of some sort. That would limit the short term grid impact.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to
350KW, but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or
take). To take advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle
battery packs will need to be enhanced to allow them to take
that amount of power.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just
under four minutes, lol!

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super
charger that could do 350KW.


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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running
to your house? Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers
are 200-250kw.

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that
would be a 100 kWh battery.  OK, within the realm of
posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the
battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?

2223 amps of 480 service.

I am doubting this.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Adam Moffett]

Ultracaps sound great because you can put charge in them super fast.
You can also discharge them super fast.  I don't know what a short on a 
100kwh equivalent capacitor would look like.  Probably looks like a bomb.



On 3/5/2019 10:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?    That’s about 
the only way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not 
using a chemical reaction, just storing electrons.


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy 
density with very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - 
talk about the potential for a really big boom.


Mark

On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage 
of some sort. That would limit the short term grid impact.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to
350KW, but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or
take). To take advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle
battery packs will need to be enhanced to allow them to take that
amount of power.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just
under four minutes, lol!

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super
charger that could do 350KW.


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Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running
to your house?  Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers
are 200-250kw.

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that
would be a 100 kWh battery.  OK, within the realm of
posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the
battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?

2223 amps of 480 service.

I am doubting this.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mark Radabaugh]

Perhaps some type of supercap instead of a battery?That’s about the only 
way I could see truly fast charging time since you are not using a chemical 
reaction, just storing electrons.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/
 
<https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/27/supercapacitor-research-promises-10-minute-charging-times-200-mile-range/>

Safety should be interesting.  That’s a hell of a lot of energy density with 
very little to rate limit converting it back to heat - talk about the potential 
for a really big boom.

Mark

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of some 
> sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact. 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, but 
> would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take advantage of 
> the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need to be enhanced 
> to allow them to take that amount of power.
> 
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> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson  <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four 
> minutes, lol!
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
> 
>  
> 
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could 
> do 350KW.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> bp
> 
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
> 
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw. 
> 
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Piech Mark Zero
> 
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
>  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
> 
>  
> 
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
> 
>  
> 
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 
> 83/.077=1067 kW
> 
>  
> 
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge? 
> 
> 2223 amps of 480 service. 
> 
>  
> 
> I am doubting this. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

That's true. I read an article about that yesterday. The one I saw was a
combination of local storage and solar plus grid.

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of
> some sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW,
>> but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take
>> advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need
>> to be enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>>> minutes, lol!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>>> could do 350KW.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>>
>>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Piech Mark Zero
>>>
>>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>>
>>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>>
>>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am doubting this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A while back I read that these new stations would have local storage of
some sort.  That would limit the short term grid impact.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:15 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW,
> but would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take
> advantage of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need
> to be enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>> minutes, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>> could do 350KW.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>
>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Piech Mark Zero
>>
>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>
>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>
>>
>>
>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>
>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Whatever it is, they said they will be providing more information
  tomorrow (March 5).


bp



On 3/4/2019 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  

  It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will
be as large as the car.  
  

   
  
From: Mathew
Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
  

 
  
  
I don't think it was a matter of
  misinterpretation, there are lots of different websites
  saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
  that mistake.
   
  I suppose it could be something like it's possible to
charge these mystery batteries that fast, but it isn't
actually going to happen in a real car.

 

  On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at
6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
  
  

  
Pretty sure the people writing
  the article misread or misinterpreted that line of
  text, lol!
 
Math just doesn’t add up.
 

  
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  <af@af.afmug.com>
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric
  car
  

 

  

  The headline reads:


  All-electric
  GT unveiled with over 300 miles of
  range and 5-min charging enabled by
  mysterious battery


  

   


  
From:
Sterling Jacobson 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
    Subject:
            Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
  

  
  
 
  


  Again, I think they meant about 5
  hours to charge, not just under four
  minutes, lol!
   
  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group <af@af.afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New
  electric car
   
  
I thought I read that Tesla
announced a new "super" super charger
that could do 350KW.

  

  

  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Robert]

There are nano-carbon anode battery experiments from 2-3 years ago that 
claimed just that kind of charging density.   Could they have gotten 
that to actual into production?  The word out here is that the Tesla 
plant is in the process of moving to the next generation of battery 
production.


On 3/4/19 5:41 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the 
Mark Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full 
capacity in 4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by Desten 
Group, Limited <http://www.desten.com/>, a Chinese/German operation 
based in Hong Kong.


Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims 
"exceptionally high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power 
density in excess of 1600 watts per kilogram. The company says its cells 
can be fast charged and discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a 
capacity of 80 percent, suggesting excellent longevity particularly if 
the cars are charged slowly overnight most of the time."


Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually 
do it, but there appears to be a few different companies claiming 
they're making batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think 
they're just using the battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not 
actually expecting to be able to charge a real car that fast.



On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large
as the car.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots
of different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all
be making that mistake.
I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these
mystery batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen
in a real car.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson
 wrote:

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or
misinterpreted that line of text, lol!



Math just doesn’t add up.



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



The headline reads:

All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min
charging enabled by mysterious battery

<https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>



*From:*Sterling Jacobson 

*Sent:*Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just
under four minutes, lol!



*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super
charger that could do 350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke 
wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to
your house?  Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are
200-250kw. 

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would
be a 100 kWh battery.  OK, within the realm of
posibilities.



4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.



So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the
battery.

83/.077=1067 kW



So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge? 

2223 amps of 480 service. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

A NASCAR pit stop is only about 15 seconds, maybe they want to race it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 7:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the Mark 
Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full capacity in 
4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by  <http://www.desten.com/> 
Desten Group, Limited, a Chinese/German operation based in Hong Kong.

Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims "exceptionally 
high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power density in excess of 1600 
watts per kilogram. The company says its cells can be fast charged and 
discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a capacity of 80 percent, suggesting 
excellent longevity particularly if the cars are charged slowly overnight most 
of the time."

Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually do it, 
but there appears to be a few different companies claiming they're making 
batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think they're just using the 
battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not actually expecting to be able 
to charge a real car that fast.

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as the 
car.  

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of different 
websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making that mistake. 

 

I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery 
batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

 

Math just doesn’t add up.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

The headline reads:

 
<https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>
 All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the
Mark Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full
capacity in 4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by Desten Group,
Limited <http://www.desten.com/>, a Chinese/German operation based in Hong
Kong.

Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims "exceptionally
high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power density in excess of
1600 watts per kilogram. The company says its cells can be fast charged and
discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a capacity of 80 percent,
suggesting excellent longevity particularly if the cars are charged slowly
overnight most of the time."

Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually do
it, but there appears to be a few different companies claiming they're
making batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think they're just
using the battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not actually
expecting to be able to charge a real car that fast.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as
> the car.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
> I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
> different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
> that mistake.
>
> I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
> batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
>> line of text, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> Math just doesn’t add up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> The headline reads:
>>
>> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
>> enabled by mysterious battery
>> <https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>> minutes, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>> could do 350KW.
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>
>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Piech Mark Zero
>>
>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>
>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>
>>
>>
>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>
>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doubting this.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

If they can make it work, I could see them building something like that
just to show off, but there's no way they're going to let a normal person
use it.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as
> the car.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
> I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
> different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
> that mistake.
>
> I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
> batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
>> line of text, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> Math just doesn’t add up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> The headline reads:
>>
>> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
>> enabled by mysterious battery
>> <https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>> minutes, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>> could do 350KW.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>
>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Piech Mark Zero
>>
>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>
>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>
>>
>>
>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>
>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doubting this.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Chuck McCown]

It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as the 
car.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of different 
websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making that mistake. 

I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery 
batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that 
line of text, lol!



  Math just doesn’t add up.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



  The headline reads:

  All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery



  From: Sterling Jacobson 

  Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



  Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four 
minutes, lol!



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



  I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could 
do 350KW.




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  On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero

  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.



  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.



  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

  83/.077=1067 kW



  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

  2223 amps of 480 service.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
that mistake.

I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
> line of text, lol!
>
>
>
> Math just doesn’t add up.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> The headline reads:
>
> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
> enabled by mysterious battery
> <https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
>
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
>
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
>
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
>
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
>
>
> I am doubting this.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Chuck McCown]

Personally, I would not want to be standing near a car that is taking a 1MW 
drink from the garden hose.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

 

Math just doesn’t add up.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

The headline reads:

All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

  On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

Math just doesn’t add up.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

The headline reads:
All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious 
battery<https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/>

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

I am doubting this.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Chuck McCown]

The headline reads:
All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

  On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, but
would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take advantage
of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need to be
enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
>
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
>
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
>
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
>
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
>
>
> I am doubting this.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
could do 350KW.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
> I am doubting this.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Maybe he meant charges in four hours and 43 minutes. Which is still decent?

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much walk in 
the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much walk in 
the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

  I am doubting this.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Jason McKemie]

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much
walk in the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
> I am doubting this.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

That would be much more believable.  17 kW

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

It’s not really 4hrs 40 minutes is it?





  On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:20 PM,   wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

Yes, Tesla are that beefy, this new car is 4x that beefy.   
Not likely.  

I am wondering if someone got something wrong in the press release.  They claim 
the batts don’t heat during charging too.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  


On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

  I am doubting this.  

   






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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Nate Burke]

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.


On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW
So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.
I am doubting this.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Cassidy B. Larson]

It’s not really 4hrs 40 minutes is it?


> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:20 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
>  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>  
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>  
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>  
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge? 
> 2223 amps of 480 service. 
>  
> I am doubting this. 
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