Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Robert Andrews 
If it depended upon that, it must have been ground speed as airspeed 
doesn't care about that.   Temp, yes, direction and speed, no...  But 
you're a pilot, you know that...  Must have been a trick answer...


On 03/09/2021 02:08 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Depends on wind speed and direction...

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

And was that air speed or ground speed?

On 03/09/2021 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

The vehicle was doing 500MPH?!?  What kind of vehicle was this exactly?

On 3/9/21 1:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I did airborne PBXs using a Rockwell Collins Inmarsat antenna that 
was mounted on a vehicle doing 500 mph.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just
like it is on a vehicle...

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*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be 
so successful internationally for governments, military, industry, 
remote rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the 
first few years without even needing any domestic customers.  I am 
sure they will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will 
have it built in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move 
on and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated 
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared 
to what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a 
few

thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 

Depends on wind speed and direction...

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

And was that air speed or ground speed?

On 03/09/2021 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

The vehicle was doing 500MPH?!?  What kind of vehicle was this exactly?

On 3/9/21 1:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I did airborne PBXs using a Rockwell Collins Inmarsat antenna that was 
mounted on a vehicle doing 500 mph.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just
like it is on a vehicle...

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*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years 
without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come 
out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Robert Andrews 

And was that air speed or ground speed?

On 03/09/2021 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

The vehicle was doing 500MPH?!?  What kind of vehicle was this exactly?

On 3/9/21 1:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I did airborne PBXs using a Rockwell Collins Inmarsat antenna that was 
mounted on a vehicle doing 500 mph.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just
like it is on a vehicle...

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Is this a real question?

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*From: *AF  on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller 


*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, 
remote rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first 
few years without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure 
they will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it 
built in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move 
on and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated 
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to 
what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Matt Hoppes 

The vehicle was doing 500MPH?!?  What kind of vehicle was this exactly?

On 3/9/21 1:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I did airborne PBXs using a Rockwell Collins Inmarsat antenna that was 
mounted on a vehicle doing 500 mph.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just
like it is on a vehicle...

On 03/09/2021 05:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Is this a real question?

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*From: *AF  on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller 


*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few 
years without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they 
will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built 
in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated 
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to 
what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

    Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

    It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
    100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
    should be able to compete fine.

    Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
    work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
    thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

    On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

    So this is the END of WISP?

    On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
    wrote:

    20 mile radius from registered address...



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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I did airborne PBXs using a Rockwell Collins Inmarsat antenna that was 
mounted on a vehicle doing 500 mph.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:54 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just
like it is on a vehicle...

On 03/09/2021 05:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Is this a real question?

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*From: *AF  on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller 


*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years 
without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out 
with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll 
have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Robert Andrews 
I think it was a joke that Musk had said the dish could be mounted just 
like it is on a vehicle...


On 03/09/2021 05:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

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*Date: *Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years 
without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come 
out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built in.


*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they
should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-09 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Is this a real question?


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From: AF  on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller 

Date: Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll have 
to adapt to it.

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what they're 
trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 100mbit+ 
speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be able to 
compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work - but 
in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars for 
a tower for WISP CPE.


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 
How's the wind loading on that dish going to be at 500+ mph?

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
Date: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:13 PM

My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc 
etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.  




From: Adam 
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and 
results


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and 
you'll have to adapt to it. 
But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.

On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:


Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be 
able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work 
- but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand 
dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Once (if?) they the sat-to-sat interlink working, autocratic
  countries like Russia and China (and the list goes on), they will
  be able to route the uplink/downlink around whatever is actually
  underneath the sats. This would effectively bypass the great
  firewall. It's also why it's illegal to own a dishy McFlatface in
  Russia.


bp

On 3/8/2021 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that
Starlink will be so successful internationally for
governments, military, industry, remote rural etc etc that
they will max out their system in the first few years
without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they
will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will
have it built in.  
  

   
  
From: Adam
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling
  and results
  

 
  
  
Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end
  of fixed wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either. 
  The world will move on and you'll have to adapt to it. 

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get
  allocated more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not
  that much compared to what they're trying to do.

 
On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin
  Stanners wrote:


  
Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
 
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where
  WISPs can offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually
  due to few/no trees), they should be able to compete
  fine.
 
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees
  and Starlink won't work - but in those cases they need
  to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars for
  a tower for WISP CPE.
 

  
  
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  2021, 10:42 AM <tekli...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  So this is the END of WISP?
   
  
On Sun, Mar 7,
  2021 at 12:00 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
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  address...
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Robert 
That is what I supposed.   He is hunting the big game right now, 
government grants.   To do that he has to show that he feeds off little 
people as well as whales   The video I shared was a very poor test.  
Reading through the FAQ it's explained that dishes are tied to "cells" 
which is a particular string of sats over a particular area sounding 
about 25 miles radius, but varying by sat pattern geometry..   Just had 
a friend get his, and set it up about 70 miles from his registered 
location and it initially connected then quickly disconnected and gave 
him a hocus-pocus no no message..


On 3/8/21 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote 
rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few 
years without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they 
will come out with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built 
in.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either. The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated 
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to 
what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they 
should be able to compete fine.
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't 
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few 
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert 
wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Steve Jones 
I dont know, single shared surface exposure for multiple nations doesnt
seem like something the US government at least would jump at, but then
again its dumb to do that so the US government may jump at it, probably
will mandate every nuclear reactor have one of the dishes on top of it too.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so
> successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote
> rural etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years
> without even needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out
> with a mobile package soon and Teslas will have it built in.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
>
>
> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
> have to adapt to it.
>
> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
> they're trying to do.
>
>
> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>
> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
> able to compete fine.
>
> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work -
> but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand
> dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>
>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Adam Moffett 

The tracker is more accurate than Verizon's spray paint.

On 3/8/2021 4:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
the one the guy showed us is older and magnetic. he showed us how to 
tell which wave or whatever you call it is in. I didnt realize how 
accurate those things are.


On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package
that comes with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay
something like $12K for the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is
really important.  Old digitrackers or subsite trackers work, but
takes much more skill to use.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend.
The seller is going to train me on the process. No different than
dial up operators who decided to learn the OSP of the next
iteration of data delivery.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN. When the end of
fixed wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The
world will move on and you'll have to adapt to it.

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get
allocated more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that
much compared to what they're trying to do.

On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can
offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no
trees), they should be able to compete fine.
Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink
won't work - but in those cases they need to be ready to
spend up to a few thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.


On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert
 wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...



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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Steve Jones 
the one the guy showed us is older and magnetic. he showed us how to tell
which wave or whatever you call it is in. I didnt realize how accurate
those things are.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package that
> comes with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay something
> like $12K for the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is really important.
> Old digitrackers or subsite trackers work, but takes much more skill to
> use.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results
>
> I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller
> is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators
> who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery.
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
>> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
>> have to adapt to it.
>>
>> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
>> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
>> they're trying to do.
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>>
>> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>>
>> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
>> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
>> able to compete fine.
>>
>> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work
>> - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand
>> dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
My overly optimistic forehead brain tells me that Starlink will be so 
successful internationally for governments, military, industry, remote rural 
etc etc that they will max out their system in the first few years without even 
needing any domestic customers.  I am sure they will come out with a mobile 
package soon and Teslas will have it built in.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 7:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll have 
to adapt to it. 


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what they're 
trying to do.




On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

  Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

  It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 100mbit+ 
speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be able to 
compete fine.

  Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work - 
but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars 
for a tower for WISP CPE.




  On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:

  20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
One of the most important parts of a drill is the tracking package that comes 
with it.  I use underground magnetics but I think I pay something like $12K for 
the tracker and sonde.  A good tracker is really important.  Old digitrackers 
or subsite trackers work, but takes much more skill to use.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller is 
going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators who 
decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery. 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless 
comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll have 
to adapt to it. 


  But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what they're 
trying to do.




  On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be able 
to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work - 
but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few thousand dollars 
for a tower for WISP CPE.




On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

  So this is the END of WISP?

  On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Matt Hoppes 

And.. there are still dial-up oeprators operating.

On 3/8/21 12:55 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The 
seller is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up 
operators who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data 
delivery.


On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move
on and you'll have to adapt to it.

But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated
more spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared
to what they're trying to do.


On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can
offer 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees),
they should be able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink
won't work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up
to a few thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM mailto:tekli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow

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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Steve Jones 
I went with a buddy to look at a horizontal drill this weekend. The seller
is going to train me on the process. No different than dial up operators
who decided to learn the OSP of the next iteration of data delivery.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed wireless
> comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on and you'll
> have to adapt to it.
>
> But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more
> spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what
> they're trying to do.
>
>
> On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Was Netflix the end of DVDs?
>
> It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
> 100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
> able to compete fine.
>
> Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work -
> but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
> thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:
>
>> So this is the END of WISP?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-08 Thread Adam Moffett 
Nobody mourned the end of dialup or ISDN.  When the end of fixed 
wireless comes, nobody will mourn that either.  The world will move on 
and you'll have to adapt to it.


But I'll be a lot more worried about Starlink if they get allocated more 
spectrum.  2ghz sounds like a lot, but not that much compared to what 
they're trying to do.



On 3/7/2021 12:06 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer 
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they 
should be able to compete fine.


Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't 
work - but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few 
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.




On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM > wrote:


So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

20 mile radius from registered address...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDEtuKgUw_g_channel=NowYouKnow


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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-07 Thread Colin Stanners 
Was Netflix the end of DVDs?

It will be a challenge for sure, but in cases where WISPs can offer
100mbit+ speeds to customers (usually due to few/no trees), they should be
able to compete fine.

Or cases where customers are surrounded by trees and Starlink won't work -
but in those cases they need to be ready to spend up to a few
thousand dollars for a tower for WISP CPE.



On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:42 AM  wrote:

> So this is the END of WISP?
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:
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>> 20 mile radius from registered address...
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Re: [AFMUG] Star link travelling and results

2021-03-07 Thread teklimbu 
So this is the END of WISP?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:00 PM Robert  wrote:

> 20 mile radius from registered address...
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