Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
You can sell trash on Amazon. Literally. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-dumpster-divers-selling-trash-wsj-report-2019-12 From: AF On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? I'm actually kind of jealous, I want to sell routers now. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: I don't support them. I never have. My CPE NATs. Whatever you do on the inside is your problem and don't ask me to look at it. Now that said, some customers (say for DSL and fiber) have a modem or ONT with WiFi and so I now go that far, but no further. Unless you're directly plugged into (or associated with) my equipment, I'm not going to spend any time on the problem. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Joe Novak" mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:14:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This looks just like it: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: It appears this is what the customer bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video streaming works great with any devices. Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their home Internet? -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Unbelievable. > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the > house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs > in every room. Oops. > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a > deadspot, sure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On > Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
I'm actually kind of jealous, I want to sell routers now. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I don't support them. I never have. My CPE NATs. Whatever you do on the > inside is your problem and don't ask me to look at it. > > > Now that said, some customers (say for DSL and fiber) have a modem or ONT > with WiFi and so I now go that far, but no further. Unless you're directly > plugged into (or associated with) my equipment, I'm not going to spend any > time on the problem. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Joe Novak" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Monday, September 14, 2020 11:14:02 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This > looks just like it: > > > https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 > > > I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad > point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, > which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> It appears this is what the customer bought: >> >> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW >> >> To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a >> Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? >> >> Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and >> Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get >> phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And >> Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says >> "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & >> HD video streaming works great with any devices. >> >> Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router >> for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we >> worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their >> home Internet? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? >> >> Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf >> numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere >> he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet >> anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. >> >> On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > Unbelievable. >> > >> > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he >> prewired the house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or >> ceiling WiFi6 APs in every room. Oops. >> > >> > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To >> fill a deadspot, sure. >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM >> > To: af@af.afmug.com >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? >> > >> > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new >> > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. >> > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the >> > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed >> > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another >> > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of >> > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construc
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
I don't support them. I never have. My CPE NATs. Whatever you do on the inside is your problem and don't ask me to look at it. Now that said, some customers (say for DSL and fiber) have a modem or ONT with WiFi and so I now go that far, but no further. Unless you're directly plugged into (or associated with) my equipment, I'm not going to spend any time on the problem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Joe Novak" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:14:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This looks just like it: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: It appears this is what the customer bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video streaming works great with any devices. Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their home Internet? -Original Message- From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Unbelievable. > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the > house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs > in every room. Oops. > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a > deadspot, sure. > > -Original Message- > From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there > was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are > experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a > little tech knowledge... > > On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care >> less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer >> where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones. >> >> All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber. >> What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”. >> >> *From:* AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? >> >> With an SFP port?! >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> Theese seems to bee thee one: >> >> https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ >&g
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
These should be as baned as the major Huawei ban... yes they are probably the source of the backdoors that are turning into ransomware problems... On 09/14/2020 09:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Good find. Or this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/11ac-1200Mbps-Smart-Wireless-Router-Realtek_60798208358.html Order 1000 and get custom logo and packaging, and now you’re a router vendor. Set up an Amazon store and you’re in business. I have told the customer they have to get a different router. The open DNS resolver on the WAN side is getting constant 2-way traffic, which can use their entire Internet bandwidth if they get used for a DNS amplification attack. It makes no sense for someone to use them as a DNS resolver, so even what they’re seeing now 24x7 is probably going to spoofed IP addresses as part of an attack. Add in the open telnet interface, what is that? A backdoor for China? If it was a name brand router, I would tell them to try updating the firmware or contacting their tech support. But that’s not going to work for a Tamifly router from DiJi. They need to return it to Amazon and buy a name brand router. If they can’t return it, throw it out and call it a $50 learning experience. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 11:14 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This looks just like it: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: It appears this is what the customer bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video streaming works great with any devices. Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their home Internet? -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Unbelievable. > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs in every room. Oops. > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a deadspot, sure. > > -Original Message- > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there > was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with j
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Good find. Or this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/11ac-1200Mbps-Smart-Wireless-Router-Realtek_60798208358.html Order 1000 and get custom logo and packaging, and now you’re a router vendor. Set up an Amazon store and you’re in business. I have told the customer they have to get a different router. The open DNS resolver on the WAN side is getting constant 2-way traffic, which can use their entire Internet bandwidth if they get used for a DNS amplification attack. It makes no sense for someone to use them as a DNS resolver, so even what they’re seeing now 24x7 is probably going to spoofed IP addresses as part of an attack. Add in the open telnet interface, what is that? A backdoor for China? If it was a name brand router, I would tell them to try updating the firmware or contacting their tech support. But that’s not going to work for a Tamifly router from DiJi. They need to return it to Amazon and buy a name brand router. If they can’t return it, throw it out and call it a $50 learning experience. From: AF On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This looks just like it: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: It appears this is what the customer bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video streaming works great with any devices. Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their home Internet? -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Unbelievable. > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the > house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs > in every room. Oops. > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a > deadspot, sure. > > -Original Message- > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On > Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there > was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are > experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a > little tech knowledge... > > On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care >> less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer >> where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones. >> >> All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wan
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Well I'm glad that specific router isn't going for 6/per on alibaba. This looks just like it: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/product/60847306416-803098363/Realtek_Network_wireless_router_FR800_M1_With_Mesh_function_Router.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.20.3c006dca8hw5o8 I'm not sure what you do about that. Consumer routers have hit such a bad point I'm not sure what to do anymore. They all seem to have crap software, which makes the 'okay' hardware worse. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > It appears this is what the customer bought: > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW > > To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a > Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? > > Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese > crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony > "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says > "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" > and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video > streaming works great with any devices. > > Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router > for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we > worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their > home Internet? > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf > numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere > he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet > anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. > > On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Unbelievable. > > > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired > the house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling > WiFi6 APs in every room. Oops. > > > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To > fill a deadspot, sure. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there > > was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all > are experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with > just a little tech knowledge... > > > > On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care > >> less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer > >> where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP > phones. > >> > >> All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber. > >> What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”. > >> > >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson > >> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > >> > >> With an SFP port?! > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Theese seems to bee thee one: > >> > >> https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ > >> > >> bp > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> > >> MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who > >> did the install about a week ago and he said the router name > was > >> either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen > one > >> more recently. > >> > >>
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
It appears this is what the customer bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FJ2TQRW To find a brand name you have to watch the video, it's apparently a Tamifly from DiJi, or is it LucaSng? Amazon will be the death of us, with 3rd party Chinese sellers and Chinese crap they bought off Alibaba and are reselling. Then they get phony "reviewers" to post glowing reviews to phony review sites. And Amazon says "Amazon's Choice for diji wifi router" and the listing says "Newest 2020" and it's a high speed gaming router ideal for home office & HD video streaming works great with any devices. Amazon always sells the best stuff, right? Like a Tamifly gaming router for $50. What could go wrong? Like big gaping security flaws? Why are we worried about Huawei and ZTE when our citizens install this crap on their home Internet? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look. On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Unbelievable. > > As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the > house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs > in every room. Oops. > > I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a > deadspot, sure. > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new > house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. > Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the > concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed > him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another > phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of > ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction > figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there > was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are > experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a > little tech knowledge... > > On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care >> less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer >> where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones. >> >> All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber. >> What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”. >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? >> >> With an SFP port?! >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Theese seems to bee thee one: >> >> https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who >> did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was >> either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one >> more recently. >> >> *From:* AF >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke >> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? >> >> Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is >> registered to? >> >> On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? >> >> Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on >> Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or >> anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS >> resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter >> of time b
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Yeah, and I was dumbfounded, he was talking stuff like "what's the iperf
numbers for your network" I was thinking he had a clue, but somewhere
he fell into the IFM trap... When he said there wasn't an ethernet
anywhere, I think my jaw actually dropped because he gave me a look.
On 09/11/2020 04:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Unbelievable.
As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the
house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs in
every room. Oops.
I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a
deadspot, sure.
-Original Message-
From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new
house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete.
Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another
phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there
was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are
experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a
little tech knowledge...
On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care
less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer
where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.
All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber.
What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
With an SFP port?!
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Theese seems to bee thee one:
https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/
bp
On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who
did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was
either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one
more recently.
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is
registered to?
On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?
Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on
Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or
anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS
resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter
of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
amplification attack.
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Unbelievable. As I was reading your email I was waiting for the part where he prewired the house with Cat6 or fiber to every room with wall outlet or ceiling WiFi6 APs in every room. Oops. I'm not a big fan of powerline networking as a primary solution. To fill a deadspot, sure. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:26 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a little tech knowledge... On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care > less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer > where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones. > > All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber. > What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”. > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > With an SFP port?! > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Theese seems to bee thee one: > > https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ > > bp > > > > On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who > did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was > either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one > more recently. > > *From:* AF > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is > registered to? > > On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? > > Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on > Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or > anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS > resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter > of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an > amplification attack. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
On 9/11/20 3:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete. Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all are experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just a little tech knowledge... Wow, some of the worst possible materials and wireless only? Good luck. Sounds like back when I was working on UNR's first wifi install trying to get decent coverage in the Fleischmann Ag building. Pretty much ended up having to do an AP every other room since the walls were either concrete or dense metal lath. SEM wasn't as bad, although I did field a decent number of complaints about no signal in the Faraday cage rooms from people working on RF things who you'd think would know better but somehow wifi is magic? I was just like yeah wifi is RF too, and we can't put an AP in because this room is supposed to be an RF dead zone. Of course when they started building FA in the late 50's nobody knew wifi would be a thing, and the rooms in SEM were built to intentionally block RF. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
We had a customer the other day have us come out to look at his new
house for a future install. The whole house is e-glass and concrete.
Interior as well as exterior walls. New concrete is wet. Between the
concrete and the eglass he had built a wifi proof blockhouse. I showed
him how bad the attenuation was from a phone set as a hotspot to another
phone in another room. Yeah he's going to be praying at the alter of
ethernet over powerlines because he put ZERO cat5 in during construction
figuring he was going to mesh the whole place.. Phone in 5 Ghz there
was barely a signal at all.. -85 from one room to another.. They all
are experts now. The most dangerous person in the world is someone with
just a little tech knowledge...
On 09/11/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care
less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer
where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones.
All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber.
What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
With an SFP port?!
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Theese seems to bee thee one:
https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/
bp
On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who
did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was
either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one
more recently.
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is
registered to?
On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router?
Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on
Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or
anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS
resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter
of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an
amplification attack.
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Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
When we deploy premise routers with SFP ports, customers could care less. Only one has ever been used, and that’s at a business customer where we used a direct attach cable to a POE switch for their VoIP phones. All customers want any more is WiFi. Nobody wants Ethernet. Or fiber. What they call “hardwired” or “Earth Net”. From: AF On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? With an SFP port?! On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: Theese seems to bee thee one: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ bp On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one more recently. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered to? On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
With an SFP port?! On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Theese seems to bee thee one: > > https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ > > bp > > > On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who did the > install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or > something similar. He said that he’s seen one more recently. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? > > > > Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered > to? > > On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? > > > > Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I > can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We’ve got a new > customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s > just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an > amplification attack. > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Theese seems to bee thee one: https://yuncore.en.alibaba.com/ bp On 9/11/2020 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he’s seen one more recently. From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered to? On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
MAC address. So yes, could be OEM. But I asked the tech who did the install about a week ago and he said the router name was either Yunlink or something similar. He said that he's seen one more recently. From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 1:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router? Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered to? On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I can't find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We've got a new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it's just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Maybe a flea market in Timbuktu. Holy crap though: Yunlink IP7620N router is $6.50 on Alibaba. Minimum order is 1000 units. Maybe I should look into that lol Or maybe some other brand uses Yunlink as an OEM? On 9/11/2020 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Yunlink router?
Is that what the router actually says, or just what the MAC is registered to? On 9/11/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anybody else encountered a Yunlink router? Where do customers find these things? Are they shopping on Alibaba? I can’t find Yunlink for sale on Amazon or anywhere else. We’ve got a new customer with an open DNS resolver and telnet interface. I figure it’s just a matter of time before the DNS server gets exploited for an amplification attack. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
