Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Jason McKemie via Af]

I can tell you from experience that even on the second hand market the
traditional ONT/NID cost is way out of line unless you're getting some sort
of subsidy. They do have a few useful features, but the $/meg first is way
higher. For example, a 48 port Calix OLT is around $8k, vs a couple 24 port
Planet units at $1800 for both. Then you have ONTs starting at $200, vs a
$36 RB260GS. You can do the math.

-Jason

On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:

>  What are they telling you guys that are at the fiber weekend?
>
>
>
> I would be interested to hear what they are saying in terms of ONT/NID
> costs, fiber passed per household on single family homes costs etc.
>
>
>
> MDU are obviously less expensive.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *TJ
> Trout via Af
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
> Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban
> neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the
> investment in fiber.
>
> Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if
> you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?
>
> On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  > wrote:
>
>  Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and
> set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
>
> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit
> that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
>
> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.
>
>
>
> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works
> for hundreds a POP.
>
>
>
> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and
> redundant.
>
> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.
>
>
>
> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella
> ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
>
> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.
>
>
>
> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
>
> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and
> asset.
>
>
>
> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
>
> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a
> cheaper transceiver.
>
> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in
> the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
>
> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI
> right now.
>
>
>
> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get
> their traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
>
> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I
> used to have with a WISP.
>
>
>
> This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.
>
>
>
> Costs more though.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> Pond via Af
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
> So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.
>
> Tomorrow will answer some more.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason Pond
> Owner
> Grizzly Internet, Inc
> p...@grizzlyinternet.com
> 
>
> On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  > wrote:
>
> Anyone there that would like to update?
>
> I couldn't make it.
>
> Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.
>
> I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber
> weekend.
>
> I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment
> strategies as usual?
>
> I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

What are they telling you guys that are at the fiber weekend?

I would be interested to hear what they are saying in terms of ONT/NID costs, 
fiber passed per household on single family homes costs etc.

MDU are obviously less expensive.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban neighborhood 
per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the investment in fiber.

Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if you 
were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?
On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up 
a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that 
it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for 
hundreds a POP.

A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of 
conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset.

Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper 
transceiver.
I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the 
ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI 
right now.

I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get their 
traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to 
have with a WISP.

This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

Costs more though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason Pond via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily paying 
out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for operations.

Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost.

It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban neighborhood 
per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the investment in fiber.

Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if you 
were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?
On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up 
a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that 
it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for 
hundreds a POP.

A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of 
conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset.

Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper 
transceiver.
I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the 
ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI 
right now.

I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get their 
traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to 
have with a WISP.

This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

Costs more though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason Pond via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

Airfiber units.

That's just to start, then we bring in the fiber end to end connection at 
10Gig. The wireless stays on for backup.

Technically we buy it from another service provider, so we have complete 
redundancy in case a fiber gets dug up.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

What are you using to backhaul GIGe neighborhoods wirelessly?!
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Oct 11, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up 
a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that 
it really didn't make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for 
hundreds a POP.

A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of 
conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
It's built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset.

Mikrotik "ONT" and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

I haven't seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it's full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I'm missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper 
transceiver.
I'm sure that will come next year. Sky's the limit once the fiber is in the 
ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI 
right now.

I don't believe in VoIP or TV, so it's all Ethernet. The customer can get their 
traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to 
have with a WISP.

This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

Costs more though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[TJ Trout via Af]

Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban
neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the
investment in fiber.

Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if
you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?
On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  wrote:

>  Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and
> set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
>
> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit
> that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
>
> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.
>
>
>
> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works
> for hundreds a POP.
>
>
>
> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and
> redundant.
>
> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.
>
>
>
> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella
> ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
>
> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.
>
>
>
> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
>
> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and
> asset.
>
>
>
> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
>
> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a
> cheaper transceiver.
>
> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in
> the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
>
> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI
> right now.
>
>
>
> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get
> their traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
>
> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I
> used to have with a WISP.
>
>
>
> This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.
>
>
>
> Costs more though.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Pond via Af
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
> So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.
>
> Tomorrow will answer some more.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason Pond
> Owner
> Grizzly Internet, Inc
> p...@grizzlyinternet.com
>
> On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  wrote:
>
> Anyone there that would like to update?
>
> I couldn't make it.
>
> Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.
>
> I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber
> weekend.
>
> I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment
> strategies as usual?
>
> I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Tyler Treat via Af]

What are you using to backhaul GIGe neighborhoods wirelessly?!

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Oct 11, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up 
a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that 
it really didn't make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for 
hundreds a POP.

A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of 
conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
It's built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset.

Mikrotik "ONT" and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

I haven't seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it's full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I'm missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper 
transceiver.
I'm sure that will come next year. Sky's the limit once the fiber is in the 
ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI 
right now.

I don't believe in VoIP or TV, so it's all Ethernet. The customer can get their 
traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to 
have with a WISP.

This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

Costs more though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up 
a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that 
it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for 
hundreds a POP.

A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of 
conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset.

Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper 
transceiver.
I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the 
ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI 
right now.

I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get their 
traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to 
have with a WISP.

This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

Costs more though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza


So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning

[That One Guy via Af]

you poor bastard

out of curiousity, why are all those trees laid over?

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:

>  If I had to work on a Saturday, that would be my chosen location.
>
> That is gorgeous.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:59 PM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] My Saturday morning
>
> Site survey on Buck Mountain near Ski Apache.  Moving 2 way rpt to new
> tower and shelter. 13800 ft elevation
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[That One Guy via Af]

a standaerd pair of pliers opens just right to square off the copper shield
enough to get the shield into the shielded connector. But when I got tired
of dealing with the unknown variable of whether the end shattered or if the
extra mass caused the pins to not connects, I discovered it is much simpler
to expose 18" of the inner jacket and shore it up with 2-3 layers of super
33. use a grounding kit to bond the radio housing (which is bonded to the
ethernet shield) to the cable.
18" probably leaves a little more exposed inner jacket than neccessary, but
since 18" to a moron tech usually equates to 6 inches on a ruler, its
pretty safe

unless you are using shielded ends specifically designed to bond with the
bbdge shield, youre begging for long term issues

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> Oh, it's not fun, but I can do it. The foil on the Belden/Best-Tronics
> 7919A is real aluminum foil, not aluminized mylar tape, so it rips very
> easy. You can't even get the jacket off without the shield coming with it.
> So you have to cut length-wise down the jacket, fold it over and snip it
> off, then gently fold the foil back. Which is why I was talking about using
> the Shireen DC-1021 instead which looks like the same stuff but with a rip
> cord. And it's cheaper.
>
> It's probably overkill, just the drain wire is probably enough. But it's
> moar better to me. On the Trango backhauls with the return on the shield, I
> definitely do it that way. I'd sleep better knowing it was done that way
> every time, but you're not getting my fat ass up a tower to make sure the
> guys did it how I told them.
>
>
> On 10/11/2014 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> I use the 32-2298UL all the time on foil shielded cable with drain wire,
>> loop the drain wire back over the jacket and under the strain relief, then
>> crimp.  If you can fold the foil back and crimp a connector onto it, you're
>> a better man than me. And I think George did once post photos proving he
>> could do it. So if anyone could terminate BBDGE with a shielded plug, it's
>> him.
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Jason Pond via Af]

So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

Tomorrow will answer some more.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
p...@grizzlyinternet.com
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  wrote:

> Anyone there that would like to update?
>
> I couldn't make it.
>
> Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.
>
> I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber
> weekend.
>
> I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment
> strategies as usual?
>
> I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
>

[AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Sterling Jacobson via Af]

Anyone there that would like to update?

I couldn't make it.

Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways.

I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.

I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment 
strategies as usual?

I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[Ryan Ray via Af]

Thanks for the tip. This is only a 10 sm ap all on 13.1.3 and they all 
reconnected fine but I have some 80 sm 2.4 ap's where I will do sm's first.


Sent while mobile


> On Oct 11, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:
> 
> I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various builds 
> anyway).
> 
> One caution - get everything to 13.1.3, then upgrade the SM's followed by the 
> AP's.   CNUT will let you update the SM's from the AP  without upgrading the 
> AP first.
> 
> I was having trouble getting a small subset of SM's reconnected when the AP's 
> were on 13.2 with SM's on 13.1 or prior.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On 10/11/14, 8:10 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
>> Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected to it.
>> 
>> SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I would 
>> get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 16Mb/s up. 
>> 80% downlink set on the AP.
>> 
>> Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse 
>> affects that haven't been found yet.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Yep, I've been auto-updating the SMs before the APs and haven't had any 
problems doing so.


13.2 is gon be som'n else. It has been awesome so far.

On 10/11/2014 7:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various 
builds anyway).


One caution - get everything to 13.1.3, then upgrade the SM's followed 
by the AP's.   CNUT will let you update the SM's from the AP  without 
upgrading the AP first.


I was having trouble getting a small subset of SM's reconnected when 
the AP's were on 13.2 with SM's on 13.1 or prior.


Mark

On 10/11/14, 8:10 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected 
to it.


SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I 
would get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 
16Mb/s up. 80% downlink set on the AP.


Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse 
affects that haven't been found yet.

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Rory Conaway via Af]

+1.  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 


What he said...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
Date: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 5:50 PM


Get the government to quit catering to lobbiest and open up some different 
frequencies for us to play with.

Right now our country could be a world leader if not for the government nosing 
in on every available industry.

We're losing our place.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.


 OK, if price is no object.  But in our area, we get people who purposely build 
a house surrounded on all 4 sides by old growth forest, down a 1 mile private 
lane, 2 miles from the nearest neighbor.  If they are willing to build a 120 ft 
tower, or bury a mile of fiber down their lane and provide power at the other 
end, sure.  Keep in mind these are the same kind of people who have 10 big 
screen TVs.  And don’t want an ugly tower.  My view – satellite TV and learn to 
program the DVR, and Netflix will still mail you Blu-Ray discs.  Then Exede or 
LTE for your Internet.  If you really want to work from home via video 
conference, or play online games where you need 10 ms latency, start thinking 
about that tower.


 From: Rory Conaway via Af 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 There should be no such thing as people with no other options J.  We should be 
able to connect anyone.

  

 Rory

  

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  

 I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

  

 From: Colin Stanners via Af 

 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM

 To: af@afmug.com 

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  

 But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?

  

 On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

 WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

 Keefe 





 On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

   Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

   When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

   Travis

   On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

 We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

  

 Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

  

 I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

  

 It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

  

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

 Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

  

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

 Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

  

 From: Chris Wright via Af 

 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM

 To: af@afmug.com 

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunit

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various 
builds anyway).


One caution - get everything to 13.1.3, then upgrade the SM's followed 
by the AP's.   CNUT will let you update the SM's from the AP  without 
upgrading the AP first.


I was having trouble getting a small subset of SM's reconnected when the 
AP's were on 13.2 with SM's on 13.1 or prior.


Mark

On 10/11/14, 8:10 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected 
to it.


SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I 
would get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 
16Mb/s up. 80% downlink set on the AP.


Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse 
affects that haven't been found yet.






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[Ryan Ray via Af]

Should note that 23Mb/s down was just through an internet connected
speedtest server, not through the linktest. So real world speeds I'm seeing
43Mb/s down.

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected to
> it.
>
> SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I
> would get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 16Mb/s
> up. 80% downlink set on the AP.
>
> Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse
> affects that haven't been found yet.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

What he said...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
Date: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 5:50 PM


Get the government to quit catering to lobbiest and open up some different 
frequencies for us to play with.

Right now our country could be a world leader if not for the government nosing 
in on every available industry.

We're losing our place.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.


  OK, if price is no object.  But in our area, we get people who purposely 
build a house surrounded on all 4 sides by old growth forest, down a 1 mile 
private lane, 2 miles from the nearest neighbor.  If they are willing to build 
a 120 ft tower, or bury a mile of fiber down their lane and provide power at 
the other end, sure.  Keep in mind these are the same kind of people who have 
10 big screen TVs.  And don’t want an ugly tower.  My view – satellite TV and 
learn to program the DVR, and Netflix will still mail you Blu-Ray discs.  Then 
Exede or LTE for your Internet.  If you really want to work from home via video 
conference, or play online games where you need 10 ms latency, start thinking 
about that tower.


  From: Rory Conaway via Af 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  There should be no such thing as people with no other options J.  We should 
be able to connect anyone.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

   

  From: Colin Stanners via Af 

  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?

   

  On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 





  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis

On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

   

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

   

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

   

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

   

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

  Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

   

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

   

  From: Chris Wright via Af 

  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about 
their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may 

[AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[Ryan Ray via Af]

Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected to
it.

SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I would
get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 16Mb/s up.
80% downlink set on the AP.

Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse
affects that haven't been found yet.

[AFMUG] OT Movie Reviews

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Just saw Kill the Messenger.  Enjoyed it.  
Yesterday saw Gone Girl.  Really enjoyed it.  

Re: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning

[Glen Waldrop via Af]

If I had to work on a Saturday, that would be my chosen location.

That is gorgeous.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:59 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning


  Site survey on Buck Mountain near Ski Apache.  Moving 2 way rpt to new tower 
and shelter. 13800 ft elevation

  Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Glen Waldrop via Af]

Get the government to quit catering to lobbiest and open up some different 
frequencies for us to play with.

Right now our country could be a world leader if not for the government nosing 
in on every available industry.

We're losing our place.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.


  OK, if price is no object.  But in our area, we get people who purposely 
build a house surrounded on all 4 sides by old growth forest, down a 1 mile 
private lane, 2 miles from the nearest neighbor.  If they are willing to build 
a 120 ft tower, or bury a mile of fiber down their lane and provide power at 
the other end, sure.  Keep in mind these are the same kind of people who have 
10 big screen TVs.  And don’t want an ugly tower.  My view – satellite TV and 
learn to program the DVR, and Netflix will still mail you Blu-Ray discs.  Then 
Exede or LTE for your Internet.  If you really want to work from home via video 
conference, or play online games where you need 10 ms latency, start thinking 
about that tower.


  From: Rory Conaway via Af 
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  There should be no such thing as people with no other options J.  We should 
be able to connect anyone.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af
  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

   

  From: Colin Stanners via Af 

  Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?

   

  On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 





  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis

On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

   

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

   

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

   

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

   

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

  Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

   

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

   

  From: Chris Wright via Af 

  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

   

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about 
their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra 
few bucks; headaches, doubly so.

   

  Chris Wright

  Velociter Wireless

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 20

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Oh, it's not fun, but I can do it. The foil on the Belden/Best-Tronics 
7919A is real aluminum foil, not aluminized mylar tape, so it rips very 
easy. You can't even get the jacket off without the shield coming with 
it. So you have to cut length-wise down the jacket, fold it over and 
snip it off, then gently fold the foil back. Which is why I was talking 
about using the Shireen DC-1021 instead which looks like the same stuff 
but with a rip cord. And it's cheaper.


It's probably overkill, just the drain wire is probably enough. But it's 
moar better to me. On the Trango backhauls with the return on the 
shield, I definitely do it that way. I'd sleep better knowing it was 
done that way every time, but you're not getting my fat ass up a tower 
to make sure the guys did it how I told them.


On 10/11/2014 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I use the 32-2298UL all the time on foil shielded cable with drain 
wire, loop the drain wire back over the jacket and under the strain 
relief, then crimp.  If you can fold the foil back and crimp a 
connector onto it, you're a better man than me. And I think George did 
once post photos proving he could do it. So if anyone could terminate 
BBDGE with a shielded plug, it's him.

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I would probably use the shielded plugs that have the metal strain relief 
that you crimp with a special tool, I use those anyway on Belden shielded 
cable.  Various vendors make them, I use Emerson/AIM 32-2298UL but L-Com and 
Sentinel have similar and I think there's even an EZ-RJ version.  I think 
someone once posted they solder shielded plugs to the copper tape.  I know 
long ago I used these plugs on Mohawk armored cable, I don't know if I've 
ever done it on BBDGE which isn't really armored it's more of a copper tape, 
plus the inner jacket on the BBDGE is pretty soft.


Here are some 10+ year old photos of L-Com connectors on Mohawk cable (it 
was a pain and I never did it at another tower, but it has lasted plus no 
lightning damage):

http://www.kwisp.com/outdoor_cat5.html

I use the 32-2298UL all the time on foil shielded cable with drain wire, 
loop the drain wire back over the jacket and under the strain relief, then 
crimp.  If you can fold the foil back and crimp a connector onto it, you're 
a better man than me.  And I think George did once post photos proving he 
could do it.  So if anyone could terminate BBDGE with a shielded plug, it's 
him.



-Original Message- 
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af

Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

No shielded ends...  How in the world would you ever get the copper
corrugated braid into that?

If your not using it with the Cambium PTP500 cable glands (which have a
mechanical grip the digs into the copper) then use something like:

https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=493736&eventGroup=4&eventPage=1

and tie the ground wire to the tower steel or whatever it is you want to
protect.   Use regular RJ45's for the Ethernet connection.

Mark




On 10/11/14, 4:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper 
connection??  The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge 
PITA to get the copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure 
if that was even the proper method.?


Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable 
with the ground kit?  Similar to this: 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true


Thanks
Tyler





--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Tyler Treat via Af]

"No shielded ends...  How in the world would you ever get the copper corrugated 
braid into that?"

The one time I tried, It took 4 screwed up ends until I got it. 

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


> On Oct 11, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:
> 
> No shielded ends...  How in the world would you ever get the copper 
> corrugated braid into that?

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

No shielded ends...  How in the world would you ever get the copper 
corrugated braid into that?


If your not using it with the Cambium PTP500 cable glands (which have a 
mechanical grip the digs into the copper) then use something like:


https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=493736&eventGroup=4&eventPage=1

and tie the ground wire to the tower steel or whatever it is you want to 
protect.   Use regular RJ45's for the Ethernet connection.


Mark




On 10/11/14, 4:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? 
 The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the 
copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that was even the 
proper method.?

Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable with the ground 
kit?  Similar to this: 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true

Thanks
Tyler





--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Keefe John via Af]

We did 3 locations.  Top of tower, bottom of tower, and inside the 
building just before the surge protector.  I have seen others install 
these every 50'.


Keefe

On 10/11/2014 3:39 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

Did you pull off a ground in multiple places on the cable run, or just at the 
bottom?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

Yes we are using shielded ends.  They are really tricky to get on. We also use 
those exact grounding kits.

Keefe

On 10/11/2014 3:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? 
 The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the 
copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that was even the 
proper method.?

Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable
with the ground kit?  Similar to this:
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc
_id=google_base&sp=true

Thanks
Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Just brand it separately from your WISP.

On Saturday, October 11, 2014, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> This might bring in more revenue if you have no other option but will
> bring a bad name on WISP's customers will be much more happy if you build
> your network out & word of mouth of good service will bring more revenue
> all the internet is used for these days are Netflix Hulu and gaming
> satellite is good for none of the above
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM, chuck--- via Af  > wrote:
>
>>  The one that they were advertising at Wispapalloza last year.  That one
>> was almost full before they started.  It was Exede.  And all the customers
>> got converted from WildBlue to Exede.  But it then became full and no more
>> customers could be added.  I didn’t know there was new/fresh capacity.
>>
>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af 
>>  *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:02 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>
>>   When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old
>> service/satellite WildBlue?  Or the new Exede?  If you mean the new one,
>> they blew through the capacity pretty quick.  Although given the usage
>> limits, that might not be all bad.  There was a major disconnect between
>> ~25Mbps download speed and only ~10GB/mo usage.  Meant for people who
>> rarely use the Internet but when they do, want it to be blazing fast.  Or
>> people who only use the Internet in the middle of the night.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* chuck--- via Af 
>>  *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:14 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>
>>   I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of
>> capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular
>> and welcome.
>>
>>  *From:* Colin Stanners via Af
>> 
>>  *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>
>>  But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling
>> everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer
>> caps, variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that
>> reputation stick? How much money is it worth to you?
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af > > wrote:
>>
>>> WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain
>>> area before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to
>>> support a fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers
>>> over and then cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other
>>> locations.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee,
>>> but the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of
>>> value for your business... the customer.
>>>
>>> When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your
>>> customer count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out
>>> your network and keep the customer.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were
>>> against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it.
>>>
>>> Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5
>>> of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple
>>> reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to
>>> go back to any install since.
>>>
>>> I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using
>>> this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests,
>>> and the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very
>>> bad.  They have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for
>>> gamers, but works great for people that just want to browse the web, check
>>> email, use ebay, ect.
>>>
>>> It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz
>>> customers anymore.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af >> > wrote:
>>>
 Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is
 like 10TB or something crazy

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af >>> > wrote:

>   Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.
>
>  *From:* Chris Wright via Af
> 
>  *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
>  *To:* af@afmug.com 
>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for
> WISPs.
>
>
> Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal
> about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in
> an extra few bucks; headaches

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Tyler Treat via Af]

Did you pull off a ground in multiple places on the cable run, or just at the 
bottom?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

Yes we are using shielded ends.  They are really tricky to get on. We also use 
those exact grounding kits.

Keefe

On 10/11/2014 3:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
> Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
> connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper 
> connection??  The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA 
> to get the copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that 
> was even the proper method.?
>
> Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable 
> with the ground kit?  Similar to this: 
> https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc
> _id=google_base&sp=true
>
> Thanks
> Tyler
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

OK, if price is no object.  But in our area, we get people who purposely build 
a house surrounded on all 4 sides by old growth forest, down a 1 mile private 
lane, 2 miles from the nearest neighbor.  If they are willing to build a 120 ft 
tower, or bury a mile of fiber down their lane and provide power at the other 
end, sure.  Keep in mind these are the same kind of people who have 10 big 
screen TVs.  And don’t want an ugly tower.  My view – satellite TV and learn to 
program the DVR, and Netflix will still mail you Blu-Ray discs.  Then Exede or 
LTE for your Internet.  If you really want to work from home via video 
conference, or play online games where you need 10 ms latency, start thinking 
about that tower.


From: Rory Conaway via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

There should be no such thing as people with no other options J.  We should be 
able to connect anyone.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

 

From: Colin Stanners via Af 

Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?

 

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

Keefe 





On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

  Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

  When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

  Travis

  On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

 

Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of 
them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

 

I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

 

It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

 

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

 

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

 

From: Chris Wright via Af 

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about 
their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra 
few bucks; headaches, doubly so.

 

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

   
   
 
   
 

   
 
   
 
Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program
Created Specifically for WISPs
Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to 
announce a new partnership with a unique sales program 

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Keefe John via Af]

Yes we are using shielded ends.  They are really tricky to get on. We 
also use those exact grounding kits.


Keefe

On 10/11/2014 3:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? 
 The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the 
copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that was even the 
proper method.?

Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable with the ground 
kit?  Similar to this: 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true

Thanks
Tyler

[AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Tyler Treat via Af]

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? 
 The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the 
copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that was even the 
proper method.?

Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable with the 
ground kit?  Similar to this: 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true

Thanks
Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Rory Conaway via Af]

There should be no such thing as people with no other options J.  We should be 
able to connect anyone.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

 

From: Colin Stanners via Af   

Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

 

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?

 

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

Keefe 





On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, 
but the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value 
for your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your 
customer count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your 
network and keep the customer. 

Travis

On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  
We were against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

 

Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to 
less than 5 of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a 
couple reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had 
to go back to any install since.

 

I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but 
after using this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed 
tests, and the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very 
bad.  They have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, 
but works great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use 
ebay, ect.

 

It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz 
customers anymore.

 

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  
wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat 
capacity is like 10TB or something crazy

 

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
 wrote:

Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

 

From: Chris Wright via Af   

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for 
WISPs.

 

Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely 
vocal about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in 
an extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.

 

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst 
via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for 
WISPs.

 



 Exede and
Convergence
header-
Helping WISPs
cash in on
unservicable
customers
 


Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program


Created Specifically for WISPs


Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new partnership 
with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs. Learn how this 
program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by turning unserviceable 
customers into profitable new customers while also reducing gaps in coverage.

✓  

Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer

✓  

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✓

Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing

✓  

Easy installation

✓

Training provided

✓  

Increase revenue and profits

Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence / Exede 
WISP reseller program.

Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration an

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Not a bad idea. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:56:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 




I think people are saying you need to make this very clear upfront to the 
customer. I suspect you would also have to offer free installation if/when you 
convert them to wireless, so they don’t pay double installation. 

A worse approach is what Frontier does, they sell it as their own service in 
fact many people report thinking they are getting DSL and being pissed off when 
the guy starts installing a Hughesnet dish. And the dishes are actually branded 
Frontier (although the electronics says Hughesnet). Oh, and it doesn’t help 
that even with their new satellite, Hughesnet still sucks. 

I wonder if a WISP could program up a Mikrotik to go behind the Exede modem, 
and limit video streams to the minimum for decent SD, around 1.5Mbps, and also 
to throttle other non-essential things like software updates, during the times 
that count against the data cap. And open it up during the free times. A 
value-added service to help the customer get the most bang for their buck out 
of their allotted monthly usage. 





From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:56 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 


But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you? 



On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding. Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations. 

Keefe 





On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: 


Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but the 
customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for your 
business... the customer. 

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis 


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 



We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets. We were against it 
from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of 
them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors. Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since. 

I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using this, 
it's pretty amazing. Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and the 
ping is pretty stable. Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. They have 
voip that supposedly works pretty well. Not great for gamers, but works great 
for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect. 

It's been a blessing for us. I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore. 


On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 
10TB or something crazy 




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 






Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. 




From: Chris Wright via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 





Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their 
disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few 
bucks; headaches, doubly so. 


Chris Wright 
Velociter Wireless 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 















Exede and
  Convergence
  header-
  Helping WISPs
  cash in on
  unservicable
  customers




Introducing a B

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Each of the dozens of beams pointing to the different parts of the country have 
their own bandwidth. It could be full in Toledo, but empty in Florida. Kinda 
like sectors on a tower. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "chuck--- via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:04:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 




The one that they were advertising at Wispapalloza last year. That one was 
almost full before they started. It was Exede. And all the customers got 
converted from WildBlue to Exede. But it then became full and no more customers 
could be added. I didn’t know there was new/fresh capacity. 




From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:02 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 




When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old service/satellite 
WildBlue? Or the new Exede? If you mean the new one, they blew through the 
capacity pretty quick. Although given the usage limits, that might not be all 
bad. There was a major disconnect between ~25Mbps download speed and only 
~10GB/mo usage. Meant for people who rarely use the Internet but when they do, 
want it to be blazing fast. Or people who only use the Internet in the middle 
of the night. 





From: chuck--- via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 




I have had good success with Excede in the past. They just ran out of capacity. 
Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and welcome. 




From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 


But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you? 



On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding. Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations. 

Keefe 





On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: 


Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but the 
customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for your 
business... the customer. 

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis 


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 



We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets. We were against it 
from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of 
them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors. Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since. 

I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using this, 
it's pretty amazing. Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and the 
ping is pretty stable. Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. They have 
voip that supposedly works pretty well. Not great for gamers, but works great 
for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect. 

It's been a blessing for us. I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore. 


On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 
10TB or something crazy 




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 






Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. 




From: Chris Wright via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 





Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their 
disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few 
bucks; headaches, doubly so. 


Chris Wright 
Velociter Wireless 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 















Exede and
  Convergenc

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[timothy steele via Af]

This might bring in more revenue if you have no other option but will bring a 
bad name on WISP's customers will be much more happy if you build your network 
out & word of mouth of good service will bring more revenue all the internet is 
used for these days are Netflix Hulu and gaming satellite is good for none of 
the above 

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM, chuck--- via Af  wrote:

> The one that they were advertising at Wispapalloza last year.  That one was 
> almost full before they started.  It was Exede.  And all the customers got 
> converted from WildBlue to Exede.  But it then became full and no more 
> customers could be added.  I didn’t know there was new/fresh capacity.
> From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
> When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old service/satellite 
> WildBlue?  Or the new Exede?  If you mean the new one, they blew through the 
> capacity pretty quick.  Although given the usage limits, that might not be 
> all bad.  There was a major disconnect between ~25Mbps download speed and 
> only ~10GB/mo usage.  Meant for people who rarely use the Internet but when 
> they do, want it to be blazing fast.  Or people who only use the Internet in 
> the middle of the night.
> From: chuck--- via Af 
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
> I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
> capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular 
> and welcome.  
> From: Colin Stanners via Af 
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
> But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
> everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
> variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that 
> reputation stick? How much money is it worth to you?
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:
>   WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain 
> area before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to 
> support a fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over 
> and then cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.
>   Keefe 
>   On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
> Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, 
> but the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value 
> for your business... the customer.
> When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
> count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
> and keep the customer. 
> Travis
> On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:
>   We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
> against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 
>   Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 
> 5 of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
> reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to 
> go back to any install since.
>   I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
> this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, 
> and the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. 
>  They have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but 
> works great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use 
> ebay, ect.
>   It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz 
> customers anymore.
>   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
> Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity 
> is like 10TB or something crazy
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
> wrote:
>   Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.
>   From: Chris Wright via Af 
>   Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
>   To: af@afmug.com 
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for 
> WISPs.
>   Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal 
> about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an 
> extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.
>   Chris Wright
>   Velociter Wireless
>   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via 
> Af
>   Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[chuck--- via Af]

The one that they were advertising at Wispapalloza last year.  That one was 
almost full before they started.  It was Exede.  And all the customers got 
converted from WildBlue to Exede.  But it then became full and no more 
customers could be added.  I didn’t know there was new/fresh capacity.

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old service/satellite 
WildBlue?  Or the new Exede?  If you mean the new one, they blew through the 
capacity pretty quick.  Although given the usage limits, that might not be all 
bad.  There was a major disconnect between ~25Mbps download speed and only 
~10GB/mo usage.  Meant for people who rarely use the Internet but when they do, 
want it to be blazing fast.  Or people who only use the Internet in the middle 
of the night.


From: chuck--- via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 




  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

  From: Chris Wright via Af 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal 
about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an 
extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.



  Chris Wright

  Velociter Wireless



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.




 

 
   
 
   

 
   
 
   
Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program
Created Specifically for WISPs
Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited 
to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed speci

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old service/satellite 
WildBlue?  Or the new Exede?  If you mean the new one, they blew through the 
capacity pretty quick.  Although given the usage limits, that might not be all 
bad.  There was a major disconnect between ~25Mbps download speed and only 
~10GB/mo usage.  Meant for people who rarely use the Internet but when they do, 
want it to be blazing fast.  Or people who only use the Internet in the middle 
of the night.


From: chuck--- via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 




  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

  From: Chris Wright via Af 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal 
about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an 
extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.



  Chris Wright

  Velociter Wireless



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.




 

 
   
 
   

 
   
 
   
Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program
Created Specifically for WISPs
Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited 
to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically 
for WISPs. Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs 
by turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also 
reducing gaps in coverage.

✓  
 Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer
 ✓  
 You own the customer
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I think people are saying you need to make this very clear upfront to the 
customer.  I suspect you would also have to offer free installation if/when you 
convert them to wireless, so they don’t pay double installation.

A worse approach is what Frontier does, they sell it as their own service in 
fact many people report thinking they are getting DSL and being pissed off when 
the guy starts installing a Hughesnet dish.  And the dishes are actually 
branded Frontier (although the electronics says Hughesnet).  Oh, and it doesn’t 
help that even with their new satellite, Hughesnet still sucks.

I wonder if a WISP could program up a Mikrotik to go behind the Exede modem, 
and limit video streams to the minimum for decent SD, around 1.5Mbps, and also 
to throttle other non-essential things like software updates, during the times 
that count against the data cap.  And open it up during the free times.  A 
value-added service to help the customer get the most bang for their buck out 
of their allotted monthly usage.


From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 




  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

  From: Chris Wright via Af 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal 
about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an 
extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.



  Chris Wright

  Velociter Wireless



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.




 

 
   
 
   

 
   
 
   
Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program
Created Specifically for WISPs
Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited 
to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically 
for WISPs. Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs 
by turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also 
reducing gaps in coverage.

✓  

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[chuck--- via Af]

I have had good success with Excede in the past.  They just ran out of 
capacity.  Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and 
welcome.  

From: Colin Stanners via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling 
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, 
variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation 
stick? How much money is it worth to you?


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain area 
before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to support a 
fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers over and then 
cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other locations.

  Keefe 




  On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but 
the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for 
your business... the customer.

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:

  We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were 
against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 

  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 
of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since.

  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using 
this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and 
the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad.  They 
have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for gamers, but works 
great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect.

  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore.

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is 
like 10TB or something crazy

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  
wrote:

  Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.

  From: Chris Wright via Af 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

  Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal 
about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an 
extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.



  Chris Wright

  Velociter Wireless



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.




 

 
   
 
   

 
   
 
   
Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program
Created Specifically for WISPs
Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited 
to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically 
for WISPs. Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs 
by turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also 
reducing gaps in coverage.

✓  
 Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer
 ✓  
 You own the customer
 
✓
 Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing
 ✓  
 Easy installation
 
✓
 Training provided
 ✓  
 Increase revenue and profits
 

Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say 
hello to the new ConVergence / Exede WISP reseller program.

Please join us at the booth for a live

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Colin Stanners via Af]

But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling
everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer
caps, variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that
reputation stick? How much money is it worth to you?

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

>  WISPs could use this as a tool to build up a customer base in a certain
> area before expanding.  Once you have enough customers on satellite to
> support a fixed-wireless buildout you could migrate all of the customers
> over and then cancel the satellite accounts or redeploy them at other
> locations.
>
> Keefe
>
>
>
> On 10/11/2014 12:10 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
>
> Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but
> the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value
> for your business... the customer.
>
> When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer
> count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your
> network and keep the customer.
>
> Travis
>
> On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:
>
> We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were
> against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it.
>
>  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5
> of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple
> reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to
> go back to any install since.
>
>  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using
> this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests,
> and the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very
> bad.  They have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for
> gamers, but works great for people that just want to browse the web, check
> email, use ebay, ect.
>
>  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz
> customers anymore.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>> Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is
>> like 10TB or something crazy
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chris Wright via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal
>>> about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in
>>> an extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Ernst via
>>> Af
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[image: Exede and Convergence header- Helping WISPs cash
>>> in on unservicable customers]
>>>Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program Created
>>> Specifically for WISPs
>>>
>>> Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new
>>> partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs.
>>> Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by
>>> turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also
>>> reducing gaps in coverage.
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> You own the customer
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Easy installation
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Training provided
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Increase revenue and profits
>>>
>>> *Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence
>>> / Exede WISP reseller program.*
>>>
>>> Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed
>>> brochures to take home.
>>>
>>> *Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a
>>> $50.00 discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount
>>> code is CTI204*
>>>
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>>> any questions about this exciting opportunity*
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Especially if you use reflectors on your network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:27:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 


So, you get the complaints about slow speed / latency, but you don't have the 
means to upgrade the satellite or otherwise improve the service... sounds like 
you'd need to get paid a large amount of money to deal with that and the hit on 
your reputation. 



On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




>From what I've read in this thread so far is that you pay per day they're 
>active and they are your customer. You bill the end user. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Travis Johnson via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:10:45 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but the 
customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for your 
business... the customer. 

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis 


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 



We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets. We were against it 
from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 


Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of 
them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors. Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since. 


I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using this, 
it's pretty amazing. Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and the 
ping is pretty stable. Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. They have 
voip that supposedly works pretty well. Not great for gamers, but works great 
for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect. 


It's been a blessing for us. I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore. 


On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 
10TB or something crazy 




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 






Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. 




From: Chris Wright via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 





Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their 
disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few 
bucks; headaches, doubly so. 


Chris Wright 
Velociter Wireless 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 















Exede and
  Convergence
  header-
  Helping WISPs
  cash in on
  unservicable
  customers




Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program 
Created Specifically for WISPs 

Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new partnership 
with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs. Learn how this 
program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by turning unserviceable 
customers into profitable new customers while also reducing gaps in coverage. 


✓   
Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer 
✓   
You own the customer 

✓   
Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing  
✓   
Easy installation 

✓   
Training provided   
✓   
Increase revenue and profits 
Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence / Exede 
WISP reseller program. 
Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed brochures to 
take home. 
Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a $50.00 
discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount code is 
CTI204 
Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 if you have any questions about 
this exciting opportunity 
Come

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Colin Stanners via Af]

So, you get the complaints about slow speed / latency, but you don't have
the means to upgrade the satellite or otherwise improve the service...
sounds like you'd need to get paid a large amount of money to deal with
that and the hit on your reputation.

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> From what I've read in this thread so far is that you pay per day they're
> active and they are your customer. You bill the end user.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Travis Johnson via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:10:45 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>
> Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but
> the customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value
> for your business... the customer.
>
> When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer
> count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your
> network and keep the customer.
>
> Travis
>
> On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote:
>
> We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets.  We were
> against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it.
>
>  Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5
> of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple
> reflectors.  Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to
> go back to any install since.
>
>  I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using
> this, it's pretty amazing.  Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests,
> and the ping is pretty stable.  Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very
> bad.  They have voip that supposedly works pretty well.  Not great for
> gamers, but works great for people that just want to browse the web, check
> email, use ebay, ect.
>
>  It's been a blessing for us.  I pretty much dont install 900mhz
> customers anymore.
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>> Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is
>> like 10TB or something crazy
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chris Wright via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal
>>> about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in
>>> an extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Ernst via
>>> Af
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[image: Exede and Convergence header- Helping WISPs cash
>>> in on unservicable customers]
>>>Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program Created
>>> Specifically for WISPs
>>>
>>> Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new
>>> partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs.
>>> Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by
>>> turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also
>>> reducing gaps in coverage.
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> You own the customer
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Easy installation
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Training provided
>>>
>>> ✓
>>>
>>> Increase revenue and profits
>>>
>>> *Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence
>>> / Exede WISP reseller program.*
>>>
>>> Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed
>>> brochures to take home.
>>>
>>> *Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a
>>> $50.00 discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount
>>> code is CTI204*
>>>
>>> *Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 <844.251.3583> if you have
>>> any questions about this exciting opportunity*
>>>
>>> *Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014!*
>>>
>>> [image: WISPAPALOOZA 2014 logo]
>>>
>>> [image: Exede Internet Logo]
>>>
>>> Visit us at Booth 306
>>>
>>> [image: Convergence Logo]
>>>
>>> Visit us at Booth 401
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Jeff Ernst*
>>> Director of Sales and Marketing
>>>
>>> [image: ConVergen

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Mike Hammett via Af]

>From what I've read in this thread so far is that you pay per day they're 
>active and they are your customer. You bill the end user. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Travis Johnson via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:10:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 

Who retains the customer? Are you just getting a monthly referral fee, but the 
customer is theirs? If so, you are giving up the only thing of value for your 
business... the customer. 

When you sell your business, the only thing that matters is your customer 
count... why would you give that away to someone else? Build out your network 
and keep the customer. 

Travis 


On 10/10/2014 3:04 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af wrote: 



We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets. We were against it 
from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. 


Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of 
them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple 
reflectors. Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go 
back to any install since. 


I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using this, 
it's pretty amazing. Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and the 
ping is pretty stable. Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. They have 
voip that supposedly works pretty well. Not great for gamers, but works great 
for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect. 


It's been a blessing for us. I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers 
anymore. 


On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 
10TB or something crazy 




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 






Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. 




From: Chris Wright via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 





Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their 
disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few 
bucks; headaches, doubly so. 


Chris Wright 
Velociter Wireless 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Ernst via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. 















Exede and
  Convergence
  header-
  Helping WISPs
  cash in on
  unservicable
  customers




Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program 
Created Specifically for WISPs 

Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new partnership 
with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs. Learn how this 
program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by turning unserviceable 
customers into profitable new customers while also reducing gaps in coverage. 


✓   
Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer 
✓   
You own the customer 

✓   
Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing  
✓   
Easy installation 

✓   
Training provided   
✓   
Increase revenue and profits 
Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence / Exede 
WISP reseller program. 
Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed brochures to 
take home. 
Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a $50.00 
discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount code is 
CTI204 
Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 if you have any questions about 
this exciting opportunity 
Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014! 
WISPAPALOOZA
  2014 logo






Exede
  Internet Logo

Visit us at Booth 306   



Convergence
  Logo

Visit us at Booth 401 




Jeff Ernst 
Director of Sales and Marketing 

ConVergence
Technologies, Inc.




Where Best of Class Technologies ConVerge 

ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

WB, Trango, Exalt I believe all ship the little ketchup packets of DC111 with 
their dishes/radios.  I take the hint that DC111 is the stuff to use.  Not 
worth screwing up an expensive licensed link by using the wrong grease.  DC111 
is very stiff and will probably stay put in hot and cold.  Or maybe the appeal 
is you can buy it in ketchup packets to ship with your product?  Note, I would 
not put it on your hot dog, although it is supposedly “food grade”.

From: Chuck McCown via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

There are at least a half dozen different materials used for O rings.  You do 
not want to use silicon grease with silicon O rings.  It will dissolve them.

From: Jason McKemie via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 8:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

Thanks for all the responses, can't you use DC4 for o-rings as well?

On Friday, October 10, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

  I think there are 3 different applications, don't mix up the products:

  dielectric grease for waterproofing modular jack connections:  Dow Corning 
DC4 or equivalent

  grease for rubber feedhorn O-rings:  Dow Corning DC111 or equivalent

  anti-seize for stainless hardware:  more than just lithium grease, I would 
make sure it says something about anti-seize or never-seize or something like 
that on the label and also that it is intended for stainless steel. Many 
brands.  I think I finally found some Permatex Nickel Anti-Seize at O'Reilly 
auto parts, after striking out at Autozone and Advance.  Note the stuff with 
nickel dust in it stains, don't get it where you don't want it. You don't need 
much so I got a little tube, but the brush-top bottle might be good for 
applying it without getting it on your fingers.


  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)


  Lots of good responses here.  I was wondering if you meant a dielectric
  grease, or something to lube up your stainless parts so they don't
  seize, or something else?

  Auto parts store should have options for any of that.  I bought a can of
  lithium grease for $2.99 at Autozone some years ago.  It's the size of a
  peanut can.  Since you only need a dab here and there on each part, I've
  been using that same can for 6-7 years.


Any clues where I might look locally for this?  I'm not having any luck.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

[Chuck McCown via Af]

There are at least a half dozen different materials used for O rings.  You do 
not want to use silicon grease with silicon O rings.  It will dissolve them.

From: Jason McKemie via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 8:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

Thanks for all the responses, can't you use DC4 for o-rings as well?

On Friday, October 10, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

  I think there are 3 different applications, don't mix up the products:

  dielectric grease for waterproofing modular jack connections:  Dow Corning 
DC4 or equivalent

  grease for rubber feedhorn O-rings:  Dow Corning DC111 or equivalent

  anti-seize for stainless hardware:  more than just lithium grease, I would 
make sure it says something about anti-seize or never-seize or something like 
that on the label and also that it is intended for stainless steel. Many 
brands.  I think I finally found some Permatex Nickel Anti-Seize at O'Reilly 
auto parts, after striking out at Autozone and Advance.  Note the stuff with 
nickel dust in it stains, don't get it where you don't want it. You don't need 
much so I got a little tube, but the brush-top bottle might be good for 
applying it without getting it on your fingers.


  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)


  Lots of good responses here.  I was wondering if you meant a dielectric
  grease, or something to lube up your stainless parts so they don't
  seize, or something else?

  Auto parts store should have options for any of that.  I bought a can of
  lithium grease for $2.99 at Autozone some years ago.  It's the size of a
  peanut can.  Since you only need a dab here and there on each part, I've
  been using that same can for 6-7 years.


Any clues where I might look locally for this?  I'm not having any luck.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted

[Ty Featherling via Af]

No idea.

-Ty

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit?
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets-
> Feedback Wanted
>
>  +1!  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Daniel White via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets
> -Feedback Wanted
>
>  Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE.
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370]
>
> *Daniel White* | Managing Director
>
> *SAF North America LLC*
>
>
>
> *Cell:*
>
>
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
> *Skype:*
>
> danieldwhite
>
> *E-mail:*
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets -
> Feedback Wanted
>
>
>
> I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like.
>
> I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Charles Wu via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets -
> Feedback Wanted
>
> >I'm ok with plastic,
> >put a spare in each..
> >they often get lost anyway..
>
> Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just
> something about it
>
> Some additional thoughts...
>
> The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber)
>
> What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for
> most since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector
> per radio (correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports /
> etc)
>
> Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include
> some extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal
> connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 /
> radio to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used).  And if
> someone is ok with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it
> up a box of them customer service so they could just grab a handful and
> ship them out as necessary.
>
> Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio
> feel *cheap* ?
>
> -Charles
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit?

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback 
Wanted

+1!  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: "Daniel White via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets -
Feedback Wanted


Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE.




 Daniel White | Managing Director

  SAF North America LLC



Cell:
   

(303) 746-3590
   
Skype:
   danieldwhite
   
E-mail:
   daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 
   
 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted



I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like.

I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






From: "Charles Wu via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted

>I'm ok with plastic,
>put a spare in each..
>they often get lost anyway..

Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just 
something about it

Some additional thoughts...

The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber)

What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for most 
since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector per radio 
(correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports / etc)

Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include some 
extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal 
connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 / radio 
to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used).  And if someone is 
ok with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it up a box of them 
customer service so they could just grab a handful and ship them out as 
necessary.

Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio feel 
*cheap* ?

-Charles

Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

[Mike Hammett via Af]

+1! ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted 



Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE. 


cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370  
Daniel White | Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell:   

(303) 746-3590 

Skype:  
danieldwhite 

E-mail: 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted 


I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like. 

I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -


From: "Charles Wu via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted 

>I'm ok with plastic, 
>put a spare in each.. 
>they often get lost anyway.. 

Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just 
something about it 

Some additional thoughts... 

The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber) 

What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for most 
since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector per radio 
(correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports / etc) 

Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include some 
extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal 
connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 / radio 
to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used). And if someone is ok 
with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it up a box of them 
customer service so they could just grab a handful and ship them out as 
necessary. 

Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio feel 
*cheap* ? 

-Charles 

Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

[Daniel White via Af]

Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE.

 




Daniel White | Managing Director

SAF North America LLC


 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted

 

I look for radios with 2x SFP. I don't find them as often as I'd like.

I'm not going to bed with the radio, so I don't care what it feels like.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: "Charles Wu via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:54:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback 
Wanted

>I'm ok with plastic,
>put a spare in each..
>they often get lost anyway..

Economically, the plastic connectors make a lot of sense, but there's just 
something about it

Some additional thoughts...

The radio has a total of 4 holes (3 RJ-45 and 1 SFP connector for fiber)

What if I were to include 1 metal connector, which will probably work for most 
since I imagine most people are still only using a single connector per radio 
(correct me if I'm wrong and you guys actually use NMS ports / etc)

Regarding extra and/or spare connectors, it seems to make sense to include some 
extra plastic ones, and have an option for people who prefer * metal 
connectors* to pay extra for those (vs charging everyone an extra $100 / radio 
to include 3-4 extra connectors that might never be used).  And if someone is 
ok with the plastic connector option, I'd probably just set it up a box of them 
customer service so they could just grab a handful and ship them out as 
necessary.

Would having plastic *spare* connectors included make the Microwave radio feel 
*cheap* ?

-Charles

 

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[Dennis Burgess via Af]

Sweet!

 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

 

Awesome Gino! People will certainly remember that commercial.

 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via
Af
Sent: October 10, 2014 9:52 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

 

Its in spanish, but I think its great! Hope you like it

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb-sed-O18&feature=youtu.be

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

[Gino Villarini via Af]

that’s was part of the inspiration



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, October 10, 2014 at 1:42 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

Very good – reminded me of the old Maxell ads…

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

Its in spanish, but I think its great! Hope you like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb-sed-O18&feature=youtu.be



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr