Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/7/15 9:49 PM, Jeremy wrote:

Just tell him that your Internet will energize his seventh chakra,
thereby counteracting the retrograde of mercury.  Also, it will make his
aura glow light blue.  Not blues screen of death bluedon't get those
confused.



Sounds like Cherenkov radiation to me.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Jeremy]

Just tell him that your Internet will energize his seventh chakra, thereby
counteracting the retrograde of mercury.  Also, it will make his aura glow
light blue.  Not blues screen of death bluedon't get those confused.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I should tell some of my Alabama jokes...
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/7/2015 2:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> Thank God for California and Texas.
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>>> Nah,   we reserve the laughing stock designation for California.Keep
>>> up the good work and Texas might catch up eventually.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 5/7/15 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>

 Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in
 Juarez, Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so the
 wackos guns aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned Wal Mart
 secret tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the world.I prefer the
 Zodiac craziness.

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett" >>> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

 huh?

 People...



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 *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com
 >>
 *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

 Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
 install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde,
 and if
 you install it during that time it just won't work'

 I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come
 fix it


>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> m...@amplex.net
>>> 419-837-5105 x1021
>>> m...@amplex.net
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Jason McKemie]

They're probably spying for China if anything...


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Hehe. The NSA building can be seen perfectly from the Vivint Wireless
> building and vice-versa. I pass them both multiple times daily. I never
> thought the two buildings could be linked.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>  Looks like an NSA spy network to me.  Isn’t Utah where they built that
> huge data center?  H, coincidence?
>
> If those bug things on the rooftops detect you acting suspiciously, the
> Precrime Division will swoop down on you.
>
> If such a rumor started on the Internet, no one would believe it, right?
>
>
>  *From:* Brett A Mansfield 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless
>
>  I love autocorrect! Haha. Between Vivint and the birds on my towers,
> there's poop all over the place. Pretty soon we'll be completely covered in
> just one giant blanket of sh
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On May 7, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>   Yeah, from other reports it sounds like they're pooping all over
> themselves as well, so they probably won't be an issue for too terribly
> long.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> The bug looking thing?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think he's talking about the omnis.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair,
> I'm in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>
> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as
> me. The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very
> little throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

Looks nice. I'm a bit scared to check on the price though.

I definitely see the point about the connectorized antennas, though I've had 
issues with antennas going out before the radios. They did last 4+ years 
though, so no real complaints there.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I could almost convince myself these make sense:

  http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/UltraDish-TP-Datasheet.pdf
  
http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/Simper-Radio-Adaptors-Datasheet.pdf

  The ultimate connectorized antenna.


  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:33 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  I just don't like putting anything without connectorized antennas on towers 
anymore... it makes things much easier to upgrade later on if you can leave the 
dish alone and just swap radios, and force 110's are cheap.


  We still use plenty of NanoBeams and NanoBridges for customers.


  NanoBeam M5's do work very well for PtP links, as long as you can use 5.8ghz, 
but NanoBridges often don't seem to perform as well as they should.


  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for 
a lot of tower to tower shots.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: af 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using... 
10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.


  I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these 
days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but 
that's another story.


  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop  
wrote:

I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.


  - Original Message - 
  From: cstann...@gmail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add 
an extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.

--

  From: "Glen Waldrop"  
  Sender: "Af"  
  Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
  To: 
  ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  Thanks.

  Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full 
modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

  Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

  I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting 
for MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest 
modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

 
I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being 
+3dB on the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my 
old 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: John Woodfield 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what 
the antennas say.  What's the signal now?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 7, 2015 9:3

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Brett A Mansfield]

Hehe. The NSA building can be seen perfectly from the Vivint Wireless building 
and vice-versa. I pass them both multiple times daily. I never thought the two 
buildings could be linked. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 7, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Looks like an NSA spy network to me.  Isn’t Utah where they built that huge 
> data center?  H, coincidence?
>  
> If those bug things on the rooftops detect you acting suspiciously, the 
> Precrime Division will swoop down on you.
>  
> If such a rumor started on the Internet, no one would believe it, right?
>  
>  
> From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless
>  
> I love autocorrect! Haha. Between Vivint and the birds on my towers, there's 
> poop all over the place. Pretty soon we'll be completely covered in just one 
> giant blanket of sh
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On May 7, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jason McKemie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, from other reports it sounds like they're pooping all over themselves 
>> as well, so they probably won't be an issue for too terribly long.
>>  
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> The bug looking thing?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie 
   wrote:
 I think he's talking about the omnis.
  
 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm 
>> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>> 
>> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as 
>> me. The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very 
>> little throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Ken Hohhof]

I could almost convince myself these make sense:

http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/UltraDish-TP-Datasheet.pdf
http://simper.rfelements.com/assets/Uploads/Simper-Radio-Adaptors-Datasheet.pdf

The ultimate connectorized antenna.


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 10:33 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

I just don't like putting anything without connectorized antennas on towers 
anymore... it makes things much easier to upgrade later on if you can leave the 
dish alone and just swap radios, and force 110's are cheap.


We still use plenty of NanoBeams and NanoBridges for customers.


NanoBeam M5's do work very well for PtP links, as long as you can use 5.8ghz, 
but NanoBridges often don't seem to perform as well as they should.


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

  I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for a 
lot of tower to tower shots.


- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: af 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using... 
10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.


I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these 
days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but 
that's another story.


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

  I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.


- Original Message - 
From: cstann...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add 
an extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.



From: "Glen Waldrop"  
Sender: "Af"  
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
To: 
ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Thanks.

Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full 
modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for 
MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

  Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest 
modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com




--

  From: "Glen Waldrop" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

   
  I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB 
on the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

  At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

  Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my 
old 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  
wrote:

  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 
12 miles. 

  According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

  My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the 
NBM5 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to 
actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.

  I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger di

Re: [AFMUG] AirMax AC PtMP

[Jason McKemie]

Have you had the opportunity to compare it to ePMP from an interference
tolerance standpoint?

On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Randy Cosby  wrote:

> Incredible in clean spectrum areas.  Tough where 5.8 is congested (almost
> everywhere).  Seems solid and performs well overall.
>
>
>
> On 5/7/2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> For those of you using this (particularly with the airprism AP), how is
>> it working so far?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Mathew Howard]

The problem with the NanoBeam/PowerBeam being the lack of lower
frequencies. The Force 110 just seems to me like the all around better
option for PtP links at this point.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>  The Powerbeam/Nanobeam 400 has a lot more power than the NanoBridge.
> I’d use that instead.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> I did a Nanobeam ptp.  I'm happy.  In the middle of nowhere.
>
> If there's noise then do something else.  I like the force110 ptp.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On May 7, 2015 10:49 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>
> I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for
> a lot of tower to tower shots.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using...
> 10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.
>
> I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these
> days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but
> that's another story.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* cstann...@gmail.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an
> extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.
>  --
>
> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
>
> *Sender: *"Af" 
>
> *Date: *Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
>
> *To: *
>
> *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full
> modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.
>
>
>
> Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.
>
>
>
> I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for
> MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest
> modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
>  --
>
> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> 
>
> I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on
> the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.
>
>
>
> At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.
>
> Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old
> 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* John Woodfield 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>
>
> I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the
> antennas say.  What's the signal now?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>
> I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles.
>
> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but
> according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every
> single link I've done.
>
> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25
> and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to
> actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>
> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what
> the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for ma

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Mathew Howard]

I just don't like putting anything without connectorized antennas on towers
anymore... it makes things much easier to upgrade later on if you can leave
the dish alone and just swap radios, and force 110's are cheap.

We still use plenty of NanoBeams and NanoBridges for customers.

NanoBeam M5's do work very well for PtP links, as long as you can use
5.8ghz, but NanoBridges often don't seem to perform as well as they should.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

>  I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5
> for a lot of tower to tower shots.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>  It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're
> using... 10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.
>
> I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these
> days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but
> that's another story.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* cstann...@gmail.com
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an
>> extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.
>> --
>> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
>> *Sender: *"Af" 
>> *Date: *Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
>>  *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full
>> modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.
>>
>> Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.
>>
>> I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for
>> MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest
>> modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> 
>> I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on
>> the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.
>>
>> At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.
>>
>> Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old
>> 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* John Woodfield 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>>  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the
>> antennas say.  What's the signal now?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>>
>>>  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but
>>> according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every
>>> single link I've done.
>>>
>>> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5
>>> 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to
>>> actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>>>
>>> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to
>>> see what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is
>>> for math.
>>>
>>> Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent,
>>> but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Rory Conaway]

The Powerbeam/Nanobeam 400 has a lot more power than the NanoBridge.  I’d use 
that instead.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I did a Nanobeam ptp.  I'm happy.  In the middle of nowhere.

If there's noise then do something else.  I like the force110 ptp.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 10:49 PM, "Glen Waldrop" 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:
I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for a 
lot of tower to tower shots.


- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard
To: af
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using... 10mhz 
will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.
I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these days... 
actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but that's 
another story.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:
I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.


- Original Message -
From: cstann...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an extra 
2-3db "in taxes" right?.

From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>>
Sender: "Af" mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
ReplyTo: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Thanks.

Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full modulation 
makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for MIMO, 
which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest modulation. 
Always calculate based on full modulation.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 802.11a 
+ PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message -
From: John Woodfield
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the antennas 
say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop" 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:
I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles.

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to 
that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and 
what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 
25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to u

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Ken Hohhof]

Looks like an NSA spy network to me.  Isn’t Utah where they built that huge 
data center?  H, coincidence?

If those bug things on the rooftops detect you acting suspiciously, the 
Precrime Division will swoop down on you.

If such a rumor started on the Internet, no one would believe it, right?


From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

I love autocorrect! Haha. Between Vivint and the birds on my towers, there's 
poop all over the place. Pretty soon we'll be completely covered in just one 
giant blanket of sh

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On May 7, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:


  Yeah, from other reports it sounds like they're pooping all over themselves 
as well, so they probably won't be an issue for too terribly long.

  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

The bug looking thing?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I think he's talking about the omnis.

  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:

  These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, 
I'm in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.

  I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as 
me. The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very little 
throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.





  Thank you,
  Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Josh Luthman]

I did a Nanobeam ptp.  I'm happy.  In the middle of nowhere.

If there's noise then do something else.  I like the force110 ptp.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 10:49 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

>  I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5
> for a lot of tower to tower shots.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>  It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're
> using... 10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.
>
> I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these
> days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but
> that's another story.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* cstann...@gmail.com
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an
>> extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.
>> --
>> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
>> *Sender: *"Af" 
>> *Date: *Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
>> *To: *
>> *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
>>  *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full
>> modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.
>>
>> Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.
>>
>> I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for
>> MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest
>> modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> 
>> I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on
>> the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.
>>
>> At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.
>>
>> Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old
>> 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* John Woodfield 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>> I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>>
>>  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the
>> antennas say.  What's the signal now?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>>
>>>  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but
>>> according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every
>>> single link I've done.
>>>
>>> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5
>>> 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to
>>> actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>>>
>>> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to
>>> see what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is
>>> for math.
>>>
>>> Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent,
>>> but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Brett A Mansfield]

I love autocorrect! Haha. Between Vivint and the birds on my towers, there's 
poop all over the place. Pretty soon we'll be completely covered in just one 
giant blanket of sh

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 7, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, from other reports it sounds like they're pooping all over themselves 
> as well, so they probably won't be an issue for too terribly long.
> 
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> The bug looking thing?
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I think he's talking about the omnis.
>>> 
 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
>>> 
 How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>  wrote:
> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm 
> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
> 
> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as me. 
> The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very 
> little throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

I'm interested in hearing it. I'm upgrading my network, using the NBM5 for a 
lot of tower to tower shots.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: af 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using... 
10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.


  I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these 
days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but 
that's another story.



  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.


  - Original Message - 
  From: cstann...@gmail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an 
extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.

--

  From: "Glen Waldrop"  
  Sender: "Af"  
  Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
  To: 
  ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  Thanks.

  Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full 
modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

  Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

  I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for 
MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest 
modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

 
I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB 
on the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: John Woodfield 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 
miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the 
NBM5 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to 
actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to 
see what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for 
math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, 
decent, but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Batteries

[Ken Hohhof]

One advantage of certain 12V 9Ah batteries is they are the same size as the 
common UB1270 (12V 7Ah) batteries found in a lot of APC battery backups.  So 
you can always find a replacement in an emergency, at a Batteries Plus or even 
a hardware store.


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:33 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Batteries

That does seem like kind of an odd size.


I've been getting batteries here lately... I've mostly been using 12v 9ah at 
small sites.
http://www.batterysharks.com/Lead-Acid-Batteries-by-Volts-and-Amps-s/456.htm



On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  We use some small ones for GPS installs on trailers.  About 4 x  2 x  3 ..let 
me see if I can get model numbers

  Jaime Solorza

  On May 7, 2015 6:38 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you guys have any guidance when looking for small batteries? I liked the 
FIAMM 12SLA12 due to being 12v 12 aH and only about 3" thick. That makes it 
easier to get into a small box at a repeater site. Howveer, that size seems 
rare among manufacturers and it appears that Fiamm has discontinued it.


http://www.interstatebatteries.com/powercare/stationary/pdf/SLA_Monolite_VRLA_Tel.pdf


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Mathew Howard]

It will also change a bit depending on what channel width you're using...
10mhz will gain you a few db over 20mhz, etc.

I'll generally go to a larger antenna on anything over 5-6 miles these
days... actually I won't use NanoBridges for PtP links at all anymore, but
that's another story.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

>  I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* cstann...@gmail.com
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an
> extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.
> --
> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
> *Sender: *"Af" 
> *Date: *Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> Thanks.
>
> Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full
> modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.
>
> Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.
>
> I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for
> MIMO, which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest
> modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Glen Waldrop" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> 
> I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on
> the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.
>
> At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.
>
> Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old
> 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* John Woodfield 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
> I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
>
>  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the
> antennas say.  What's the signal now?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>
>>  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12
>> miles.
>>
>> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but
>> according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every
>> single link I've done.
>>
>> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25
>> and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to
>> actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>>
>> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to
>> see what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is
>> for math.
>>
>> Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent,
>> but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

I'm thinking they may do the same with the tx power as well.


  - Original Message - 
  From: cstann...@gmail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an 
extra 2-3db "in taxes" right?.

--

  From: "Glen Waldrop"  
  Sender: "Af"  
  Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 +
  To: 
  ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  Thanks.

  Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full 
modulation makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

  Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

  I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for MIMO, 
which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest 
modulation. Always calculate based on full modulation.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

 
I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on 
the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: John Woodfield 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 
miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 
25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
gain 25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see 
what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, 
but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Batteries

[Mathew Howard]

That does seem like kind of an odd size.

I've been getting batteries here lately... I've mostly been using 12v 9ah
at small sites.
http://www.batterysharks.com/Lead-Acid-Batteries-by-Volts-and-Amps-s/456.htm


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We use some small ones for GPS installs on trailers.  About 4 x  2 x  3
> ..let me see if I can get model numbers
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On May 7, 2015 6:38 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Do you guys have any guidance when looking for small batteries? I liked
>> the FIAMM 12SLA12 due to being 12v 12 aH and only about 3" thick. That
>> makes it easier to get into a small box at a repeater site. Howveer, that
>> size seems rare among manufacturers and it appears that Fiamm has
>> discontinued it.
>>
>>
>> http://www.interstatebatteries.com/powercare/stationary/pdf/SLA_Monolite_VRLA_Tel.pdf
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[cstanners]

You did account for the fact that Ubnt antenna gain specs usually add an extra 
2-3db "in taxes" right?.

-Original Message-
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
Sender: "Af" 
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 01:59:02 
To: 
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

Thanks.

Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full modulation 
makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for MIMO, 
which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest modulation. 
Always calculate based on full modulation.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com




--

  From: "Glen Waldrop" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

   
  I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

  At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

  Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

  According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

  My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 
and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
gain 25 as they're suppose to.

  I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see 
what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

  Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, 
but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, from other reports it sounds like they're pooping all over themselves
as well, so they probably won't be an issue for too terribly long.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The bug looking thing?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think he's talking about the omnis.
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
 These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm
 in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.

 I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as
 me. The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very
 little throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.





 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[cstanners]

You see, due to the dishes' construction, their poops are notably large and 
metallically stiff, which accentuates the irresponsibility of the whole affair.

-Original Message-
From: Jason McKemie 
Sender: "Af" 
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 02:15:42 
To: af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

I think he's talking about the omnis.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm
>> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>>
>> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as me.
>> The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very little
>> throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

I know it is actually gained, but that doesn't seem to help in long range 
shots. I've gotten much better results with MIMO on short range, but not 
terribly impressive on long range shots with a clear fresnel zone.

I replaced an old 4 mile link, MT R52 5GHz with a 26dBi grid on each end, with 
a NBM5 and lost around 6dB.

Speed is much better than my old 54Mb link, but signal is actually worse. Just 
trying to wrap my head around the numbers since the math and the real world 
don't agree on the NBM5.

I'm not knocking the hardware, I'm installing more constantly, but for the long 
shots I need the actual numbers.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Langeler 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  you 'gain' 3db when signal combining..MIMO-A as some word. Cambium 450 and 
WiMAX does that


  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 7, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:


Also, doing the math and removing 3dB tx power and 3dB rx gain and the 
numbers are within a couple dB to the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on 
the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

  At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

  Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 
miles. 

  According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

  My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the 
NBM5 25 and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to 
actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.

  I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see 
what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

  Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, 
decent, but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Josh Luthman]

The bug looking thing?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I think he's talking about the omnis.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm
>>> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>>>
>>> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as
>>> me. The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very
>>> little throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Erich Kaiser]

LOL


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm
>> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>>
>> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as me.
>> The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very little
>> throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Jason McKemie]

I think he's talking about the omnis.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm
>> in Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>>
>> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as me.
>> The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very little
>> throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint wireless

[Josh Luthman]

How are parabolic dishes pooping on rooftops being irresponsible?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> These are pooping up on homes all over the areas in in. To be fair, I'm in
> Lehi, Ut--same town as Vivint wireless headquarters.
>
> I'm perfectly okay with them coming in and using the same spectrum as me.
> The problem is how irresponsible they are with it. I'm getting very little
> throughout in the 5GHz bands. I can almost do better with 2.4 now.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Jon Langeler]

you 'gain' 3db when signal combining..MIMO-A as some word. Cambium 450 and 
WiMAX does that

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:
> 
> Also, doing the math and removing 3dB tx power and 3dB rx gain and the 
> numbers are within a couple dB to the math.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Glen Waldrop
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
> 
> I thought so as well. Could be he's talking aboutthe gain being +3dB on 
> the data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.
>  
> At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.
> 
> Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
> 802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: John Woodfield
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
> 
> I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
>  
>  
>  
> John Woodfield, President
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
> 410-870-WiFi
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5
> 
> Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the antennas 
> say.  What's the signal now?
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>> On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>> I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 
>> 
>> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according 
>> to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal inevery single 
>> link I've done.
>> 
>> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 
>> and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
>> gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>> 
>> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what 
>> the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.
>> 
>> Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
>> still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Jason McKemie]

This one always drives me nuts.  If you're from the orient...

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Yeah, I think that's just made up, though. Something to make us feel bad
> about. All kinds of places still have Oriental in their name, the Asians I
> know still call people Oriental. I don't think it's the same as terms for
> other races.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:09:11 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  I’m sure you meant to say “Asians”.
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and
> didnt know how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable
> company still shows 137 down modems though.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>>  ROFL
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> Please review and then talk cable :)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso
>>
>> I love this video :)
>> Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this
>> is what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)
>>
>>  On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>  im down for alot of things
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of
>> the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network
>> that 137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a
>> single person calling or powercycling
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>   Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the
>> coded message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I
>> hope you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they
>> say theres no outage
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do
>> a remote power cycle on that modem?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a
>> month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1
>> or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id
>> be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site
>> after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only
>> thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No cable.  Only paying for fiber.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume
>> you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile
>> the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 d

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

Thanks.

Accounting for 3dB "gain" added for MIMO and 18dBm tx power at full modulation 
makes the math work out for what I'm actually seeing.

Problem is I'm still only at MCS 12, which should be 22dBm tx.

I think they add 3dB to every number on their datasheets accounting for MIMO, 
which doesn't work out quite as nicely when doing the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest modulation. 
Always calculate based on full modulation.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com




--

  From: "Glen Waldrop" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

   
  I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

  At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

  Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

  According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

  My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 
and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
gain 25 as they're suppose to.

  I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see 
what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

  Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, 
but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Mike Hammett]

Make sure you account for Tx power at full modulation vs. lowest modulation. 
Always calculate based on full modulation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Glen Waldrop"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:51:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 

 
I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO. 

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61. 

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 802.11a 
+ PacWireless grids, usually right on the math. 




- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO? 



John Woodfield, President 
Delmarva WiFi Inc. 
410-870-WiFi 


-Original Message- 
From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5 



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO. At least 1db from what the antennas 
say. What's the signal now? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop" < gwl...@cngwireless.net > wrote: 




I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to 
that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done. 

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and 
what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 
25 as they're suppose to. 

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what the 
actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math. 

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth. 

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

Also, doing the math and removing 3dB tx power and 3dB rx gain and the numbers 
are within a couple dB to the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

  At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

  Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 
802.11a + PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


- Original Message - 
From: John Woodfield 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the 
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

  According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but 
according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single 
link I've done.

  My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 
and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
gain 25 as they're suppose to.

  I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see 
what the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

  Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, 
but still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

I thought so as well. Could be he's talking about the gain being +3dB on the 
data sheets assuming for the gain due to MIMO.

At 12 miles I get a -71. The math shows -61.

Most of my NBM5 links are similar. I get much better signal with my old 802.11a 
+ PacWireless grids, usually right on the math.


  - Original Message - 
  From: John Woodfield 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5


  I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



  Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the antennas 
say.  What's the signal now?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according 
to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 
and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually 
gain 25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what 
the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Batteries

[Jaime Solorza]

We use some small ones for GPS installs on trailers.  About 4 x  2 x  3
..let me see if I can get model numbers

Jaime Solorza
On May 7, 2015 6:38 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Do you guys have any guidance when looking for small batteries? I liked
> the FIAMM 12SLA12 due to being 12v 12 aH and only about 3" thick. That
> makes it easier to get into a small box at a repeater site. Howveer, that
> size seems rare among manufacturers and it appears that Fiamm has
> discontinued it.
>
>
> http://www.interstatebatteries.com/powercare/stationary/pdf/SLA_Monolite_VRLA_Tel.pdf
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[John Woodfield]

I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the antennas 
say.  What's the signal now?
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop" <[ gwl...@cngwireless.net ]( 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net )> wrote:


I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to 
that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and 
what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 
25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what the 
actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Josh Luthman]

Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the
antennas say.  What's the signal now?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

>  I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12
> miles.
>
> According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but
> according to that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every
> single link I've done.
>
> My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25
> and what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to
> actually gain 25 as they're suppose to.
>
> I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what
> the actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.
>
> Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but
> still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.
>

[AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[Glen Waldrop]

I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to 
that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and 
what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 
25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what the 
actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Mike Hammett]

yeah, I think unless you call them a derogatory name, they don't really care. 
They come from a land where there was no economy. Political correctness is low 
on your things to care about when you spent half of your life not knowing if 
you would eat the next day... and perhaps not. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:17:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


fuck me. I used oriental specifically because i thought asian was the non PC 
term. take these PC shitbuckets and shove the world up their asses 


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Yeah, I think that's just made up, though. Something to make us feel bad about. 
All kinds of places still have Oriental in their name, the Asians I know still 
call people Oriental. I don't think it's the same as terms for other races. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:09:11 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




I’m sure you meant to say “Asians”. 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:00 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and didnt know 
how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable company still 
shows 137 down modems though. 


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 





ROFL 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Milholen 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 

Please review and then talk cable :) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso 

I love this video :) 
Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this is 
what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :) 



On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



im down for alot of things 





i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of the 
137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 137 
customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single person 
calling or powercycling 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 








Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the coded 
message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator. I hope you 
like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes. 








From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they say 
theres no outage 




On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net > 
wrote: 






Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do a 
remote power cycle on that modem? 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email. 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 

No cable. Only paying for fiber. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume you 
arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems. 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Yes. You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself. 








J

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

fuck me. I used oriental specifically because i thought asian was the non
PC term. take these PC shitbuckets and shove the world up their asses

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Yeah, I think that's just made up, though. Something to make us feel bad
> about. All kinds of places still have Oriental in their name, the Asians I
> know still call people Oriental. I don't think it's the same as terms for
> other races.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:09:11 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  I’m sure you meant to say “Asians”.
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and
> didnt know how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable
> company still shows 137 down modems though.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>>  ROFL
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> Please review and then talk cable :)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso
>>
>> I love this video :)
>> Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this
>> is what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)
>>
>>  On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>  im down for alot of things
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of
>> the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network
>> that 137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a
>> single person calling or powercycling
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>   Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the
>> coded message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I
>> hope you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they
>> say theres no outage
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do
>> a remote power cycle on that modem?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a
>> month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1
>> or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id
>> be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site
>> after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only
>> thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No cable.  Only paying for fiber.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume
>> you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your s

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, I think that's just made up, though. Something to make us feel bad about. 
All kinds of places still have Oriental in their name, the Asians I know still 
call people Oriental. I don't think it's the same as terms for other races. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:09:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




I’m sure you meant to say “Asians”. 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:00 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and didnt know 
how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable company still 
shows 137 down modems though. 


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 





ROFL 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Milholen 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 

Please review and then talk cable :) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso 

I love this video :) 
Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this is 
what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :) 



On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



im down for alot of things 





i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of the 
137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 137 
customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single person 
calling or powercycling 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 








Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the coded 
message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator. I hope you 
like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes. 








From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they say 
theres no outage 




On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net > 
wrote: 






Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do a 
remote power cycle on that modem? 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email. 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 

No cable. Only paying for fiber. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume you 
arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems. 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Yes. You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I called. The 
tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems on that 
node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 50 miles to 
powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here? 



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 














-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the te

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m sure you meant to say “Asians”.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and didnt know 
how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable company still 
shows 137 down modems though. 

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  ROFL



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot



  Please review and then talk cable :)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

  I love this video :) 
  Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this is 
what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)



  On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

im down for alot of things 





i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of 
the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 
137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single 
person calling or powercycling



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the 
coded message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I hope 
you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.





  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

  Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot



  thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they 
say theres no outage



  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do 
a remote power cycle on that modem? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot



Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks 
a month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or 
a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be 
interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we 
pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we 
make any money there on is the hosted email.



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

No cable.  Only paying for fiber.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I 
assume you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last 
mile the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems.



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should 
be providing it yourself.






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I 
called. The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 
modems on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 
50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here?




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.









-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.









-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.









  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







--

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i guess im just a crybaby, turned out the orientals blew a fuse and didnt
know how to reset the breaker. our outage was no power, the cable company
still shows 137 down modems though.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> ROFL
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>
>
> Please review and then talk cable :)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso
>
> I love this video :)
> Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this
> is what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)
>
> On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> im down for alot of things
>
>
>
>
>
> i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of
> the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network
> that 137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a
> single person calling or powercycling
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the coded
> message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I hope
> you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>
>
> thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they
> say theres no outage
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do a
> remote power cycle on that modem?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>
>
> Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a
> month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1
> or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id
> be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site
> after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only
> thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> No cable.  Only paying for fiber.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume
> you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile
> the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be
> providing it yourself.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I called.
> The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems
> on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 50
> miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but y

[AFMUG] Small Batteries

[Mike Hammett]

Do you guys have any guidance when looking for small batteries? I liked the 
FIAMM 12SLA12 due to being 12v 12 aH and only about 3" thick. That makes it 
easier to get into a small box at a repeater site. Howveer, that size seems 
rare among manufacturers and it appears that Fiamm has discontinued it. 

http://www.interstatebatteries.com/powercare/stationary/pdf/SLA_Monolite_VRLA_Tel.pdf
 


- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Bill Prince]

I should tell some of my Alabama jokes...

bp


On 5/7/2015 2:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Thank God for California and Texas.

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Nah,   we reserve the laughing stock designation for California.
Keep up the good work and Texas might catch up eventually.


Mark

On 5/7/15 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in 
Juarez, Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so 
the wackos guns aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned 
Wal Mart secret tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the 
world.I prefer the Zodiac craziness.


Jaime Solorza

On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


huh?

People...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com


 

*From: *"Nate Burke" >

*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde,
and if
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come
fix it




--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

Re: [AFMUG] AirMax AC PtMP

[Randy Cosby]

Incredible in clean spectrum areas.  Tough where 5.8 is congested 
(almost everywhere).  Seems solid and performs well overall.




On 5/7/2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For those of you using this (particularly with the airprism AP), how 
is it working so far?

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Glen Waldrop]

Indeed.

I'm suddenly feeling better about Alabama.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jay Weekley" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac




Thank God for California and Texas.

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Nah,   we reserve the laughing stock designation for California.Keep 
up the good work and Texas might catch up eventually.


Mark

On 5/7/15 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in 
Juarez, Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so the 
wackos guns aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned Wal Mart 
secret tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the world.I prefer 
the Zodiac craziness.


Jaime Solorza

On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


huh?

People...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"Nate Burke" >

*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde,
and if
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come
fix it




--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu 1200F

[Mike Hammett]

Already got a quote on that. Was looking at the 1200F for the fiber interface. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 4:37:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu 1200F 

Get the MetroLinq for $1000. 

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/metrolinq/ 


On 5/7/2015 4:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Do any of you have a recent Siklu 1200F quote? Just looking for ballparks for a 
project estimate. I reached out to a couple vendors, but it looks like they're 
waiting on Siklu. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu 1200F

[Josh Reynolds]

Not out yet.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/07/2015 01:37 PM, Keefe John wrote:

Get the MetroLinq for $1000.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/metrolinq/

On 5/7/2015 4:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Do any of you have a recent Siklu 1200F quote? Just looking for 
ballparks for a project estimate. I reached out to a couple vendors, 
but it looks like they're waiting on Siklu.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu 1200F

[Keefe John]

Get the MetroLinq for $1000.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/metrolinq/

On 5/7/2015 4:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Do any of you have a recent Siklu 1200F quote? Just looking for 
ballparks for a project estimate. I reached out to a couple vendors, 
but it looks like they're waiting on Siklu.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Jay Weekley]

Thank God for California and Texas.

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Nah,   we reserve the laughing stock designation for California.
Keep up the good work and Texas might catch up eventually.


Mark

On 5/7/15 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in 
Juarez, Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so the 
wackos guns aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned Wal 
Mart secret tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the world.I 
prefer the Zodiac craziness.


Jaime Solorza

On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


huh?

People...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde,
and if
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come
fix it




--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

[AFMUG] Siklu 1200F

[Mike Hammett]

Do any of you have a recent Siklu 1200F quote? Just looking for ballparks for a 
project estimate. I reached out to a couple vendors, but it looks like they're 
waiting on Siklu. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Adam Moffett]

We were going to install at a head shop (for the un-initiated, that's a 
place that sells ostensibly legal items that are typically drug 
paraphernalia, such as glass pipes).  5.8ghz didn't work because of 
trees, so the installer got out a 900mhz SM and said it would "burn 
through the trees."


The shop owner refused the installation because he didn't want us to 
burn the trees; wouldn't accept that it was just a figure of speech.



On 5/7/2015 12:42 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us 
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if 
you install it during that time it just won't work'


I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Mark Radabaugh]

Nah,   we reserve the laughing stock designation for California.Keep 
up the good work and Texas might catch up eventually.


Mark

On 5/7/15 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in 
Juarez, Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so the 
wackos guns aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned Wal 
Mart secret tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the world.I 
prefer the Zodiac craziness.


Jaime Solorza

On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


huh?

People...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix
it




--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey better than wackos in Texas who think ISIL has training camp in Juarez,
Abbot asking Texas Guard to monitor military exercises so the wackos guns
aren't confiscated and folks locked up in abandoned Wal Mart secret
tunnels! !! We are the laughing stock of the world.I prefer the Zodiac
craziness.

Jaime Solorza
On May 7, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> huh?
>
> People...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac
>
> Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
> install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if
> you install it during that time it just won't work'
>
> I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Gino Villarini]

So he ll ben expecting a credit during next year thing?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



> On May 7, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us install 
> for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if you install it 
> during that time it just won't work'
> 
> I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Mathew Howard]

Well! Next customer that calls with a problem, we might as well just tell
them to wait four weeks... in fact, we might as well just all go home,
what's the point of any of us even trying to work under these conditions?!
:P

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

>  Well hell,   this explains a lot:
>
> "Mercury the wise communicator—and universal trickster—turns retrograde
> at 20°06' Sagittarius  in
> the sign of the Archer, sending communications, travel, appointments, mail
> and the www into a general snarlup! "
>
> http://www.astrologycom.com/mercret.html
>
> And here I thought it was just a routing issue.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 5/7/15 1:28 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
> On 5/7/15 10:16, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I'm not sure.  He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that
> it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde.  Not sure what he
> does during that time.  He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have
> internet yet
>
>
>
> It's probably too dangerous to do much of anything during that time.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Radabaughmark@amplex.net419-837-5105 x1021m...@amplex.net
>
>

[AFMUG] AirMax AC PtMP

[Jason McKemie]

For those of you using this (particularly with the airprism AP), how is it
working so far?

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/7/15 10:16, Nate Burke wrote:

I'm not sure.  He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that
it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde.  Not sure what he
does during that time.  He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have
internet yet



It's probably too dangerous to do much of anything during that time.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Ken Hohhof]

Tell him no problem, during Retrograde we only install Retrograde equipment, 
and give him a used FSK radio.

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

I'm not sure.  He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that it 
can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde.  Not sure what he does during 
that time.  He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have internet yet






On 5/7/2015 11:50 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  I wonder if it's only specific things that won't work during a retrograde, or 
if he just has to go into hibernation or something. Shouldn't he be worrying 
that just calling you now jinxed it?


  On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

huh?

People...




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us 
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if 
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Mark Radabaugh]

Well hell,   this explains a lot:

"Mercury the wise communicator—and universal trickster—turns retrograde 
at 20°06' Sagittarius  in 
the sign of the Archer, sending communications, travel, appointments, 
mail and the www into a general snarlup! "


http://www.astrologycom.com/mercret.html

And here I thought it was just a routing issue.

Mark

On 5/7/15 1:28 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 5/7/15 10:16, Nate Burke wrote:

I'm not sure.  He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that
it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde.  Not sure what he
does during that time.  He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have
internet yet



It's probably too dangerous to do much of anything during that time.

~Seth



--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

[Nate Burke]

Looks like it won't be available for a UPS Anytime soon

http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/05/07/powerwall-is-sold-out/


On 5/6/2015 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
GTR is cheaper.  New GTR is $102k.  The NISMO GTR is $150k if you can 
actually get one from the dealer.  Those things are absolutely gorgeous.


Look *cooler *with a Ferrari 360.
Be more *comfortable *in a Jag XF (R?)
Want *better mileage* on your electric car?  Leaf or something of the 
sort.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


I'm not seeing how all of these are cheaper options. And for the
actual cheaper option (Jag XFR-S) its 0-60 is more than a second
slower than the P85D.

Tesla P85D - $105,000, 0-60 in 2.8s

GTR -- $150,000, 0-60 in 2.7s

Ferrari 360 - $147,000, 0-60 in 3.8s

Jag XFR-S - $84,000, 0-60 in 3.9s

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:37 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

100k for a toy car?


Go faster with a GTR.

Look cooler with a Ferrari 360.

Be more comfortable in a Jag XF (R?)

Want better mileage on your electric car?  Leaf or something of
the sort.

These are all cheaper options if you're after a toy car.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

Tesla is still a toy though.  Even with all its, any luxury car is
a better value. When there are alternatives or the next gen
battery hits the market, not just a slightly better version of
what Tesla has but a carbon-iron or carbon anything, then a long
range electric has real value.  Out in Arizona at 80mph or
slightly more average in 100-115 degree weather and even hotter on
the open highway, with air-conditioning, I'd be surprised to see
their biggest battery last 200 miles.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

Tesla S is cool. Being able to drive 3-4 hours and not be stuck
for 8 is better.  Once they get more charging stations (at least
in major cities, come on!) I can see it being available to way
more people.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Wow... that is really interesting ... I looked at putting solar at
my house before and the number of panels, the cost etc didn't make
it worthwhile.  I was quoted $25k in panels at the time ... think
I may revisit though and get additional quotes ;)

BTW -- a friend of mine has a Tesla S and loves it... I'm
seriously considering one now as well

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2015 11:31 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

I don't know how many cycles it can handle, but max draw per pack
is 2kW continuous, 3.3kW peak.

http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 10:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the
neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this
would be a serious consideration.

I'd like to know what the maximum draw-down is, and how many
charge/discharge cycles, etc. etc.

bp



  


On 5/1/2015 10:20 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:

I want to see more specs, but a 10kWh AC UPS for $3500..
�that�s a decent price.

�

http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall

�

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

�

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Nate Burke]

I'm not sure.  He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that 
it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde.  Not sure what he 
does during that time.  He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have 
internet yet






On 5/7/2015 11:50 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I wonder if it's only specific things that won't work during a 
retrograde, or if he just has to go into hibernation or something. 
Shouldn't he be worrying that just calling you now jinxed it?


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


huh?

People...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if
you install it during that time it just won't work'

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix
it

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 control counts

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

Yes. That's just SM registrations. Or attempted registrations. Look at 
Statistics > SM Registration Failures and see if anything interesting is 
in there.


One thing I've been seeing on the 3.6 450 is "something" happening and 
SM reg attempts going nuts. The AP reports SM's "out of range" and it 
has to be rebooted to fix. That hasn't happened in quite a while, but it 
was a daily occurrence back when it didn't get above freezing for almost 
three weeks straight.


On 5/7/2015 10:27 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

I have an issue I�m trying to track down.

Does this look normal?

Transmit Control Count :38
Receive Control Count : 7

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder if it's only specific things that won't work during a retrograde,
or if he just has to go into hibernation or something. Shouldn't he be
worrying that just calling you now jinxed it?

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> huh?
>
> People...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac
>
> Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
> install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if
> you install it during that time it just won't work'
>
> I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Josh Luthman]

LOL?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 12:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> huh?
>
> People...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac
>
> Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us
> install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if
> you install it during that time it just won't work'
>
> I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PRTG icons

[Jerry Richardson]

Like towers, buildings, etc?

 

You could probably use Visio, and then use a capture tool to turn them into 
images.

 

Jerry R

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Stump
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 6:13 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] PRTG icons

 

Does anyone happen to have or know where I can find a decent WISP friendly icon 
set for PRTG maps? I've searched a bit with no luck...

 

 

Thanks,
Joshua

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Mike Hammett]

huh? 

People... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:42:11 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac 

Had a new one today. Customer want's our service, but won't let us 
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if 
you install it during that time it just won't work' 

I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Josh Reynolds]

What the hell?

On May 7, 2015 8:42:11 AM AKDT, Nate Burke  wrote:
>Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us 
>install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if 
>you install it during that time it just won't work'
>
>I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix
>it

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac

[Nate Burke]

Had a new one today.  Customer want's our service, but won't let us 
install for 4 weeks because 'Mercury is going into Retrograde, and if 
you install it during that time it just won't work'


I wonder if it Breaks during a Retrograde if he'll let us come fix it

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

 

Please review and then talk cable :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

I love this video :) 
Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this is 
what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)



On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

im down for alot of things 

 

 

i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of the 
137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 137 
customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single person 
calling or powercycling

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the coded 
message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I hope you 
like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.

 

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm   

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

 

thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they say 
theres no outage

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net> > wrote:

Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do a 
remote power cycle on that modem? 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com  


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

 

Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  
 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

   
  
 


  _  


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email.

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

No cable.  Only paying for fiber.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume you 
arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems.

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I called. The 
tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems on that 
node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 50 miles to 
powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

-- 

[AFMUG] PMP450 control counts

[Dan Petermann]

I have an issue I’m trying to track down.

Does this look normal?

Transmit Control Count :38 
Receive Control Count : 7

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Mike Hammett]

Humor me for a bit. What town is this in? I'll see how close the nearest fiber 
is. It may be immaterial at this point, but I want to see how for away 
competitive options are. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:21:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


we had a tunnel up at one point for that, but this last issue where we switched 
to the air router, we dropped that since we have the server there. Neither of 
which matters when the modem is offline. 


On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Just do a tunnel for the management traffic (or everything if you want) from 
the Fortigate to "your network" so the BMU can get to it. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



lol this is strictly internet, layer 2. We had had a BMU there but when we went 
to V10 we pulled it and put in a Fortigate. Then because of the way they handle 
static IP space it quit working, we got tired of dealing with it and stuck an 
air router in until the site sells. We have no direct monitoring on the 
customers other than a server that sits over there that calls home, we take 
over a session to troubleshoot any customer issue 




On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






In some cases, yes, but in most cases no. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:48:40 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a ton not on 
that map. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email. 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



No cable. Only paying for fiber. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume you 
arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems. 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Yes. You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I called. The 
tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems on that 
node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 50 miles to 
powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here? 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 











-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 







-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 









-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 








-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol this is strictly internet, layer 2. We had had a BMU there but when we
went to V10 we pulled it and put in a Fortigate. Then because of the way
they handle static IP space it quit working, we got tired of dealing with
it and stuck an air router in until the site sells. We have no direct
monitoring on the customers other than a server that sits over there that
calls home, we take over a session to troubleshoot any customer issue

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> In some cases, yes, but in most cases no.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:48:40 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you.
>
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
>  Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a ton
> not on that map.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>
> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a
> month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1
> or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id
> be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site
> after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only
> thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> No cable.  Only paying for fiber.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume
>>> you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile
>>> the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should
 be providing it yourself.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I
> called. The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the
> 137 modems on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have
> to drive 50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem 
> here?
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we had a tunnel up at one point for that, but this last issue where we
switched to the air router, we dropped that since we have the server there.
Neither of which matters when the modem is offline.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Just do a tunnel for the management traffic (or everything if you want)
> from the Fortigate to "your network" so the BMU can get to it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lol this is strictly internet, layer 2. We had had a BMU there but when
>> we went to V10 we pulled it and put in a Fortigate. Then because of the way
>> they handle static IP space it quit working, we got tired of dealing with
>> it and stuck an air router in until the site sells. We have no direct
>> monitoring on the customers other than a server that sits over there that
>> calls home, we take over a session to troubleshoot any customer issue
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> In some cases, yes, but in most cases no.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:48:40 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>>
>>>  Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>>
>>>  Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a
>>> ton not on that map.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>>
>>> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks
>>> a month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month
>>> T1 or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber.
>>> Id be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that
>>> site after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the
>>> only thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 No cable.  Only paying for fiber.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I
> assume you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we 
> last
> mile the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down
> modems.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should
>> be providing it yourself.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I
>>> called. The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the
>>> 137 modems on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally 
>>> have
>>> to drive 50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem 
>>> here?
>>>
>>> --
>>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
>>> team.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Josh Luthman]

Just do a tunnel for the management traffic (or everything if you want)
from the Fortigate to "your network" so the BMU can get to it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 10:15 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> lol this is strictly internet, layer 2. We had had a BMU there but when we
> went to V10 we pulled it and put in a Fortigate. Then because of the way
> they handle static IP space it quit working, we got tired of dealing with
> it and stuck an air router in until the site sells. We have no direct
> monitoring on the customers other than a server that sits over there that
> calls home, we take over a session to troubleshoot any customer issue
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> In some cases, yes, but in most cases no.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:48:40 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>  Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>>  Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a ton
>> not on that map.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
>>
>> you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a
>> month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1
>> or a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id
>> be interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site
>> after we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only
>> thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> No cable.  Only paying for fiber.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I
 assume you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last
 mile the connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down
 modems.

 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should
> be providing it yourself.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I
>> called. The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the
>> 137 modems on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have
>> to drive 50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem 
>> here?
>>
>> --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
>> team.
>>
>
>



 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Radius

[Darren Shea]

Mike,

The username and password for RADIUS (which is referred to as EAP-TTLS 
within the configuration) are under Configuration -> Security. Obviously,to 
really make this work well, you’ll need unique usernames for each STA – we use 
the STA’s WLAN MAC address.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:45 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Radius

 

I didn't look much before, but this morning I found out that ePMP can use 
RADIUS to set MIRs for the CPE. RADIUS is good because I currently use WISPMon 
to propagate my FreeRADIUS database for Mikrotik. I could easily add additional 
lines to the script to fill in the ePMP lines so that the Mikrotik queues at 
the tower and the ePMP queues at the CPE. I looked at the config information 
and it wasn't clear where the "SubsciberModule35" and "cambium35" were coming 
from. I'm assuming that's the username and password for the authentication 
request, but the documentation doesn't make it clear as to where that actually 
goes in the CPE.

Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link

[Stefan Englhardt]

Talk to them. They will help to design this link. You’ll need crazy big 
antennas and mountains on both sides.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2015 15:50
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link



Was just puttzing arround.. was surprised to see that.. Mimosa b5c   120 mi +  ?



http://mimosa.co/home/Products/Backhaul/compare.html



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 




  _

From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:32:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link



I wonder how effective the dual non contiguous frequency feature of the Mimosa 
B5C would be against multipath?  Like 5.1 + 5.8.



Never mind, at 65 miles you probably want grandfathered 15.247 equipment for 
maximum EIRP.





From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 5:21 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link



I might have a ptp400 conn. Link, hit me offlist if interested



From: David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 6:18 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link



I have a integrated ptp500 link 50Mbs for sale





On 5/6/2015 1:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

A used/refub ptp400 or ptp600 would do

On 5/6/15, 1:15 PM, "Dan Petermann" mailto:d...@wyoming.com wrote:


I have a customer that needs a low speed very long link.

Link is 64 miles, 2200ï¿1Ž2 elevation change.

Iï¿1Ž2m looking at a Last Mile Gear connectorized PTP100. Reliability is
definitely needed.

Any other radios you guys would recommend?

900MHz is out due to noise floor.



Gino Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[http://www.aeronetpr.com/aeronet-logo.png]



--

Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Was just puttzing arround.. was surprised to see that.. Mimosa b5c 120 mi + ? 

http://mimosa.co/home/Products/Backhaul/compare.html 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:32:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link

> I wonder how effective the dual non contiguous frequency feature of the
> Mimosa B5C would be against multipath? Like 5.1 + 5.8.
> Never mind, at 65 miles you probably want grandfathered 15.247 equipment for
> maximum EIRP.
> From: Gino Villarini
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 5:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link
> I might have a ptp400 conn. Link, hit me offlist if interested
> From: David Milholen < dmilho...@wletc.com >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 6:18 PM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link
> I have a integrated ptp500 link 50Mbs for sale

> On 5/6/2015 1:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> > A used/refub ptp400 or ptp600 would do
> 

> > On 5/6/15, 1:15 PM, "Dan Petermann" mailto:d...@wyoming.com wrote:
> 

> > > I have a customer that needs a low speed very long link.
> > 
> 

> > > Link is 64 miles, 2200ï¿1Ž2 elevation change.
> > 
> 

> > > Iï¿1Ž2m looking at a Last Mile Gear connectorized PTP100. Reliability is
> > 
> 
> > > definitely needed.
> > 
> 

> > > Any other radios you guys would recommend?
> > 
> 

> > > 900MHz is out due to noise floor.
> > 
> 

> > Gino Villarini
> 
> > President
> 
> > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 

> > [ http://www.aeronetpr.com/aeronet-logo.png ]
> 

> --

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Mike Hammett]

In some cases, yes, but in most cases no. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:48:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 




Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a ton not on 
that map. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot 


you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email. 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



No cable. Only paying for fiber. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume you 
arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems. 


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 





Yes. You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I called. The 
tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems on that 
node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 50 miles to 
powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here? 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 











-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 







-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

[Simon Westlake]

Not really for me. I've done some light consulting work before, but 
doing it full time just isn't something I find appealing. Wouldn't want 
to leave my wife and kids alone for that kind of stretch either.


On 5/7/2015 7:59 AM, WaveDirect wrote:

Maybe try consulting for WISPS?  A fresh set of eyes on a network sometimes is 
good and I think some places may be willing to pay for a month long engagement 
type thing.  But I don't think you wanna live out of a suitcase.  The life of 
consultants is hard but well paying usually.  I used to work for a large 
consulting firm so I've seen its benefits. Great for younger people or 
divorcee's heheh

But then you watch House of Lies and its funny how close sometimes that can get 
pretty real.

Good part of consulting WISPS is that once you've been out at each WISP and 
become aware of their network you can work from home at that point.

- Original Message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 9:35:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

Not yet..

On 5/6/2015 5:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

And he is not saying…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 12:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

Simon probably does...lol

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
Date: Wed, May 6, 2015 11:47 AM

So does anyone actually know where he’s going?  We’re not using
Powercode so we’re not affected aside from curiosity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; Josh Luthman
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

What better place to implement "lessons learned"?

On May 6, 2015 6:32:44 AM AKDT, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Really?  Ubnt is starting from scratch.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 6, 2015 7:09 AM, "Work" mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Would be awesome if UBNT got him for the new billing/aircontrol thing
they are making right now


—
Sent from Mailbox 

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

 That sounds like a good guess to me

 On May 5, 2015 5:56:15 PM AKDT, Keefe John mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

 AirCRM?

 On 5/5/2015 8:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 I Wonder? What Company is developing a billing/management
 platform and has the moola to pull someone like Simon and also
 might defend a no compete?

 Gino A. Villarini

 @gvillarini


 On May 5, 2015, at 7:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

 Banjo He's going to cbb

 On May 5, 2015 3:32 PM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

 Yes...and much more. Feel free to contact me offlist Keefe.

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Keefe John
 mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

 does wispmon do billing?

 On 5/5/2015 10:09 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I have WISPMon and haven't seen anything elsewhere to
 incite me to change.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 


 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 


 


 *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
 
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 10:05:46 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

 What would you consider the best option?

 Rory

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
 *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2015 6:54 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

 I didn't consider them the best option in the first
 place. ;-)



 ---

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Ken Hohhof]

Just because there’s fiber doesn’t mean it’s available to you.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

Where at? There's lots of fiber all over the state. There's still a ton not on 
that map.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot


you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks a month 
for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber 
connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested 
to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we pay for 
the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we make any 
money there on is the hosted email.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  No cable.  Only paying for fiber.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider right, I assume 
you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there at your shop? we last mile the 
connection from a provider through the one of their 137 down modems.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Yes.  You're paying the cable company for the service when you should be 
providing it yourself.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

we have a remote location fed by a cable connection. Its down. I 
called. The tech tells me they did some maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 
modems on that node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have to drive 
50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone else see a problem here?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] ePMP Radius

[Mike Hammett]

I didn't look much before, but this morning I found out that ePMP can use 
RADIUS to set MIRs for the CPE. RADIUS is good because I currently use WISPMon 
to propagate my FreeRADIUS database for Mikrotik. I could easily add additional 
lines to the script to fill in the ePMP lines so that the Mikrotik queues at 
the tower and the ePMP queues at the CPE. I looked at the config information 
and it wasn't clear where the "SubsciberModule35" and "cambium35" were coming 
from. I'm assuming that's the username and password for the authentication 
request, but the documentation doesn't make it clear as to where that actually 
goes in the CPE. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

[AFMUG] PRTG icons

[Joshua Stump]

Does anyone happen to have or know where I can find a decent WISP friendly
icon set for PRTG maps? I've searched a bit with no luck...


Thanks,
Joshua

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[Ken Hohhof]

“Maintenance” sounds like a software upgrade.

Steve, is it possible all those cable modems are actually up, maybe even 
including yours, and the new software conflicts with some protocol you are 
running over the link?

I know that 1-2 years ago when Comcast upgraded modems, it broke our EoIP 
tunnels and we had to switch to EoIP over PPTP.  We were able to ping and 
Winbox into our router at the other end though, just the tunnel didn’t work.

Are your customers getting TV over this or strictly Internet?


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:18 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

He said it was 137 out of 137 on that node... I'm fairly certain there is no 
part of our network half that size that I could break for most of a day without 
at least one customer resetting stuff.

In my opinion, not only is it not possibly that at least 1 out of 137 didn't 
already power cycle, but it's very hard to believe that at least one didn't 
power cycle while they were on the phone with the cable company... meaning they 
know very well (or at least should...) that something is wrong.



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  >>>i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of 
the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 
137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single 
person calling or powercycling


  Everything is relative. 137 out of how many ? and yes, there are folks 
who don't live off the internet like us and our customers ! 
  (It's a bit of an oxymoron, but think about it, if you are a causal user of 
internet, you got your TV, and Internet from the cable company, and since you 
don't use it heavily, you have no reason to look for something better ! )

  Personally, I would not recommend anyone spend a great deal of their time 
trying to 'reverse engineer' a Cable company's or Telco's behavior... your time 
will be better spent in trying to understand your wife or girl friend or 
daughter .. (all of them are impossible tasks !)

  :)


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232


  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 



--

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 10:52:42 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot


im down for alot of things 


i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one of 
the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your network that 
137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole day without a single 
person calling or powercycling

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists the 
coded message be delivered in person, so it can join with the Creator.  I hope 
you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.


  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

  thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline, but they 
say theres no outage

  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be able to do 
a remote power cycle on that modem? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot


Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com








From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying 39-49 bucks 
a month for internets when your other 2 options are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or 
a fiber connection with over 10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be 
interested to see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after we 
pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think the only thing we 
make any money there on is the hosted email.



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

No cable.  Only paying for fiber.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

you do realize everyone here on this list has a

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

[WaveDirect]

Maybe try consulting for WISPS?  A fresh set of eyes on a network sometimes is 
good and I think some places may be willing to pay for a month long engagement 
type thing.  But I don't think you wanna live out of a suitcase.  The life of 
consultants is hard but well paying usually.  I used to work for a large 
consulting firm so I've seen its benefits. Great for younger people or 
divorcee's heheh

But then you watch House of Lies and its funny how close sometimes that can get 
pretty real.  

Good part of consulting WISPS is that once you've been out at each WISP and 
become aware of their network you can work from home at that point.  

- Original Message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 9:35:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!

Not yet..

On 5/6/2015 5:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> And he is not saying…
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 12:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>
> Simon probably does...lol
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
> To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Subject: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
> Date: Wed, May 6, 2015 11:47 AM
>
> So does anyone actually know where he’s going?  We’re not using 
> Powercode so we’re not affected aside from curiosity.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; Josh Luthman
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>
> What better place to implement "lessons learned"?
>
> On May 6, 2015 6:32:44 AM AKDT, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>
> Really?  Ubnt is starting from scratch.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On May 6, 2015 7:09 AM, "Work"  > wrote:
>
> Would be awesome if UBNT got him for the new billing/aircontrol thing 
> they are making right now
>
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
> That sounds like a good guess to me
>
> On May 5, 2015 5:56:15 PM AKDT, Keefe John  > wrote:
>
> AirCRM?
>
> On 5/5/2015 8:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> I Wonder? What Company is developing a billing/management
> platform and has the moola to pull someone like Simon and also
> might defend a no compete?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> @gvillarini
>
>
> On May 5, 2015, at 7:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Banjo He's going to cbb
>
> On May 5, 2015 3:32 PM, "Cameron Crum"  > wrote:
>
> Yes...and much more. Feel free to contact me offlist Keefe.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Keefe John
> mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
>
> does wispmon do billing?
>
> On 5/5/2015 10:09 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I have WISPMon and haven't seen anything elsewhere to
> incite me to change.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 10:05:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>
> What would you consider the best option?
>
> Rory
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2015 6:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>
> I didn't consider them the best option in the first
> place. ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>   

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650 and the 5.1 band

[David Milholen]

Yes,
 There is more power with connectorized on 5.1 for PTP OOB restrictions.



On 5/6/2015 9:58 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
iirc new firmware is 2 on 5.1 and 5.4 and 7 on 5.2 BUT this is the 
integrated firmware with 40 selected, not the connectorized firmware, 
connectorized may be less restrictive


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


We have a PTP650 operating in 5.1 GHz and it's on FW 01-21. It
appears to be capping itself at 30 dBm EIRP.

bp


On 5/6/2015 3:34 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


If I install 01-40 firmware can I select and use the 5.1 band in
a PTP650?

�

If yes, what is the max radio power approved for the PTP650 in 5.1?

�

thanks






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

[David Milholen]

Please review and then talk cable :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso

I love this video :)
Anytime the word cable or even if I have a customer switch to cable this 
is what I pull up to watch at the end of the day :)



On 5/6/2015 9:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

im down for alot of things


i find it hard to believe that in that amount of time not a single one 
of the 137 down modems had been restarted. name any section of your 
network that 137 customers could be down and you go almost the whole 
day without a single person calling or powercycling


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Steve, it reminds me of that Star Trek movie where V’ger insists
the coded message be delivered in person, so it can join with the
Creator.  I hope you like bald chicks in shorty bathrobes.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot
thats what im saying, all the modems on their node are offline,
but they say theres no outage
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

Unless I am missing something shouldn’t the cable company be
able to do a remote power cycle on that modem?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 8:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 


*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

Do it right, do it well or don't do it at all?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2015 7:03:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] please reboot

you tell me how to make a profit on 5 or 6 customers paying
39-49 bucks a month for internets when your other 2 options
are a 1700 dollar a month T1 or a fiber connection with over
10k buildout and 2600/month 50mb fiber. Id be interested to
see that math. i think we make like 8 bucks on that site after
we pay for the resellable cable connection as it is. I think
the only thing we make any money there on is the hosted email.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

No cable.  Only paying for fiber.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

you do realize everyone here on this list has a provider
right, I assume you arent hosting the whole interwebnets there
at your shop? we last mile the connection from a provider
through the one of their 137 down modems.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Yes. You're paying the cable company for the service when
you should be providing it yourself.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

we have a remote location fed by a cable connection.
Its down. I called. The tech tells me they did some
maintenance at night. 137 of the 137 modems on that
node are offline. There is no outage. I literally have
to drive 50 miles to powercycle this modem. Anyone
else see a problem here?

-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you
don't see your team as part of yourself you have
already failed as part of the team.



-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.



-- 


If you only see your

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I wish.   I could modify it to get rid of the the (@#$* mosquito-like
insects which infest my part of the world.   They don't bite but it's not
fun with thousands of teensy insects swarming you during part of the year.

-forrest

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Hmmm, Wisconsin in June, must be something to kill black flies with RF.
>
>  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 7:28 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>
>  We're launching 3 new products in Wisconsin in June.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> Hey now!  There's a lot to do here in Wisconsin!
>> On 5/6/2015 3:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>> He said he's staying in Wisconsin, right?  So there's a limited set of
>>> things you can do in Wisconsin:
>>>
>>> - dairy farmer
>>> - cheese maker
>>> - bed & breakfast
>>> - fishing guide
>>> - Indian casino
>>> - Scott Walker campaign worker
>>>
>>> I think Allis-Chalmers is defunct.  I guess there's Menards and Kohls.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 2:10 PM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>>>
>>> What's the fun in that...
>>> Buzz kill!
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: WaveDirect
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:06 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>>>
>>> No idea where he's going but I've talked to Jim and everything was
>>> amicable
>>> and this wasn't a burned bridge situation so I'm not as concerned.  He
>>> even
>>> went to say that Simon may even be available if something unique only he
>>> had
>>> insight into becomes a problem and he'd help with it.
>>>
>>> I wish Simon luck though he was a great guy to work with and almost like
>>> a
>>> mind reader when it came to implementing new features. He was the perfect
>>> conduit between the coding world and the customer world.  Most coders I
>>> know
>>> have better communication skills with code than with people so it was
>>> refreshing to have ideas and concerns taken care of in a professional
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Jacob also has been a professional and will be able to pick up the slack
>>> I
>>> have no doubt.
>>>
>>> >From what Jim alluded to though seems like they did some hiring over
 there

>>> and are prepping some new people to really take this thing even further
>>> up
>>> another notch.  We'll have to wait and see though!
>>>
>>> Anyway I'm calm now.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "James Howard" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 12:47:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>>>
>>> So does anyone actually know where he’s going?  We’re not using
>>> Powercode so
>>> we’re not affected aside from curiosity.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:44 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com; Josh Luthman
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving!
>>>
>>> What better place to implement "lessons learned"?
>>> On May 6, 2015 6:32:44 AM AKDT, Josh Luthman
>>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Really?  Ubnt is starting from scratch.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On May 6, 2015 7:09 AM, "Work"
>>> mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Would be awesome if UBNT got him for the new billing/aircontrol thing
>>> they
>>> are making right now
>>>
>>> —
>>> Sent from Mailbox
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>> That sounds like a good guess to me
>>> On May 5, 2015 5:56:15 PM AKDT, Keefe John
>>> mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
>>> AirCRM?
>>> On 5/5/2015 8:25 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> I Wonder? What Company is developing a billing/management platform and
>>> has
>>> the moola to pull someone like Simon and also might defend a no
>>> compete?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> @gvillarini
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2015, at 7:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Banjo He's going to cbb
>>> On May 5, 2015 3:32 PM, "Cameron Crum"
>>> mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
>>> Yes...and much more. Feel free to contact me offlist Keefe.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Keefe John
>>> mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
>>> does wispmon do billing?
>>>
>>> On 5/5/2015 10:09 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I have WISPMon and haven't seen anything elsewhere to incite me to
>>> change.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]>> >[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[
>>> http://www.ics-il.co