Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[D. Ryan Spott]

When I need the specs I just Google the product name. Some place in 
brazil has the PDFs available. Everything is Portuguese but the wattage 
etc is in english.


COMPLETE BS that the spec sheets are behind a pay/info/login wall.

ryan


On 8/6/15 12:43 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

+∞
On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Brian Meredith 
> wrote:



  * Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to
accept the request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads,
even though I'm 100% sure I'm putting in the correct entry.
  * Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to
download a data sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support
section for registered customers?






--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[George Skorup]

I have two on my desk that I submitted support case requests for and 
haven't got a response yet. You want me to drive them up to Rolling 
Meadows? :)


The 5GHz SM shows RF calibration failure and ADI communication failure. 
The 3GHz SM shows only RF calibration failure. They both reboot shortly 
after starting to scan. I think I might have another 5GHz in my WTF pile 
too, have to check tomorrow.


On 8/6/2015 11:37 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar wrote:
We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what 
is going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I 
will provide more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the 
trouble this is causing.

Rajesh Vijayakumar
Cambium Networks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


We have had a few.


On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:

yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew
whats making this happen as they work fine out of the box then
die later

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and
RMA is the only solution.


On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the
RF die and show in re letters

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for
a week or so before they stopped running tired defaulting
both and upgrading firmware on both did not work they also
randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr drive apart
connected to diffrent towers


anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[Rajesh Vijayakumar]

We are waiting for the RMA'd units to reach us, so we can look at what is
going on. I am told we should get at least one unit on Monday. I will
provide more details as soon as possible. I am sorry about the trouble this
is causing.
Rajesh Vijayakumar
Cambium Networks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> We have had a few.
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:
>
> yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats making
> this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is the
>> only solution.
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:
>>
>> we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and
>> show in re letters
>>
>> RF Calibration Failure
>> ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!
>>
>> They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or so
>> before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware on
>> both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr
>> drive apart connected to diffrent towers
>>
>>
>> anyone have any clue whats going on here??
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti loses $40 million to fraud

[Work]

That's says all radios shipped before July 2016 are grandfathered in to the old 
DFS power that's good to know..



—
Sent from Mailbox

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1511737/000157104915006288/t1501817_8k.htm
> Secure your email everyone. That's gotta hurt.
> Sent while mobile

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Jaime Solorza]

yeah I get that allot.the ubiquiti sector is small

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> too big
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> mars MA-WA56-DP23
>>
>> http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Steve Utick]

No, just take the existing serial #'s, and move them around in the order
you want them to show up, then rescan expansion and it will put them in
that order.


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the
>> expansion bus.
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to
>>> correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but I
>>> would really like it to.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

[Mike Hammett]

I think they have opened up new markets already. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 9:03:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To 
Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov 

They could start deploying fixed-wireless via BusinessOnlyBroadband. 

On 8/6/2015 8:35 PM, David Milholen wrote: 
> Seems that all the HYPE about CAF was a giant FARCE! 
> Go Giant telcos for gov funding. Squash the little guy :) 
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message  
> 
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/windstream-takes-175m-connect-america-offer-expand-rural-broadband
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[Sterling Jacobson]

MPLS is where we are heading.

In the planning phases right now for MPLS ring network.

Seems like it works well if the network has multiple paths, but heads in 
essentially one location.

I think it may break a bit if it’s necessary to involve BGP at multiple 
locations though.

That’s what I’m debating right now.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

MPLS-enabling a network also reduces your latency on Mikrotik.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:52:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings 
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't done 
it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer tunnels for 
multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.
On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, got a 
different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, all 
the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big L2 
network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into the 
network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use STP, 
that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in case the 
main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a tower go 
out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to take 
the rest of the day off...

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the backbone, 
maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than 12+ subnets 
from tower to tower.

Input is appreciated.

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Josh Luthman]

9 foot panel?!  Wow.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 6, 2015 10:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> You will find it hard to beat that.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:59 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol
>
>
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/MIMO-80211-n//PAT50016dual-HV.html
> On Aug 6, 2015 8:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Should be able to get 15 dBi  in a 9’ square or so.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol
>>
>> Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> too big
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:
>>>
 mars MA-WA56-DP23

 http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com');> wrote:

> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol
>


>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Jeremy]

OI think I misread your question.  You are talking the order of the
expansion units.  14 hours in the sun working the booth at the county fair
and my brain is fried

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> No, this.  http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=17
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> This? http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=14
>>
>> That's mostly for modules not being detected at all. I guess reordering
>> modules could potentially have an issue with this bug. I've had that
>> happen, remotely too. Usually just a couple bus rescans or a base reboot
>> will get them back.
>>
>> This reminds me, where's that beta firmware for the SyncInjectors and
>> PDUs that does the trip auto reset? Forrest?
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 9:23 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>> The new firmware addressed this issue.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
 Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the
 expansion bus.

 On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

> Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to
> correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but I
> would really like it to.
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Jeremy]

No, this.  http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=17

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> This? http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=14
>
> That's mostly for modules not being detected at all. I guess reordering
> modules could potentially have an issue with this bug. I've had that
> happen, remotely too. Usually just a couple bus rescans or a base reboot
> will get them back.
>
> This reminds me, where's that beta firmware for the SyncInjectors and PDUs
> that does the trip auto reset? Forrest?
>
> On 8/6/2015 9:23 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> The new firmware addressed this issue.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the
>>> expansion bus.
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to
 correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but I
 would really like it to.

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[George Skorup]

This? http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=14

That's mostly for modules not being detected at all. I guess reordering 
modules could potentially have an issue with this bug. I've had that 
happen, remotely too. Usually just a couple bus rescans or a base reboot 
will get them back.


This reminds me, where's that beta firmware for the SyncInjectors and 
PDUs that does the trip auto reset? Forrest?


On 8/6/2015 9:23 PM, Jeremy wrote:

The new firmware addressed this issue.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?


On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then
rescan the expansion bus.

On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't
seem to correspond to their physical order in the chain of
serial ports.but I would really like it to.

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[George Skorup]

No, I'm saying to manually edit the expansion module serial number 
fields. Or to move a module to the end (which can be tricky depending on 
the firmware), set a module's serial number to zero and rescan.


On 8/6/2015 9:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?

On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan 
the expansion bus.


On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to 
correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial 
ports.but I would really like it to.

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Jeremy]

The new firmware addressed this issue.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the
>> expansion bus.
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to
>>> correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but I
>>> would really like it to.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Adam Moffett]

So I just pick new serial numbers like 1,2,3,4,5 ?

On 8/6/2015 10:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the 
expansion bus.


On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to 
correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial 
ports.but I would really like it to.

Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[George Skorup]

Yeah. Reorder the serial numbers how you want them and then rescan the 
expansion bus.


On 8/6/2015 9:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to 
correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial 
ports.but I would really like it to.

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

It's one of the perks of the job, free room and board for 3 to 16 years
On Aug 6, 2015 8:43 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Not enough of them, it seems.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:41:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
> Don’t they promote the secretaries of state and governors to the “big
> house” in your state?
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
> Ours is through the Secretary of State. I think every state department
> here has additional costs added on for the Illinois Governor Retirement
> Commissary and Soap Fund.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency.
>> For example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you
>> right to the form where you do it yourself.
>>
>> I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp.  Provides some
>> protection against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things.  Also makes it
>> much easier to do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of
>> expenses.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>
>> My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise
>> legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive
>> always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point,
>> even if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the
>> money in a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed
>> womans debit card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household
>> expenditures need to not be eating into that.
>> I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.
>>
>> So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else
>> anyway?
>>
>> When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no
>> need for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB,
>> OSHA never checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in
>> the baggies. that was a simpler time
>>
>>
>> On the tax ID note
>> I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business
>> discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state
>> but they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them,
>> I got percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I
>> finally called and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but
>> she told my I actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I
>> cancelled my tax ID.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> i am not a lawyer but...
>>>
>>> i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can
>>> protect your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.
>>>
>>> but again i am not a lawyer ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
 sufficient.

 Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in
 sales tax?

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
> but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
> you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of 
> other
> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>
>
>
> -1000
>
>
>
> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
> you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t 
> take
> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, 
> but
> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
> waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
> snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
> to use/avoid one.
>
>
>
> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>
>
>
> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
> done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
> personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
> enough to actu

[AFMUG] Site Monitor Expansion Order

[Adam Moffett]

Can you change the order of expansion units?  It doesn't seem to 
correspond to their physical order in the chain of serial ports.but 
I would really like it to.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Yea, that's for sure, it sucks when it turns out you're THAT customer
On Aug 6, 2015 5:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Thank you Powercode for figuring out a problem on my network? ;)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 6, 2015 6:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> This ended up being a router issue on our side, changed to a mikrotik and
>> jesus gave me a thumbs up
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Probe tab?  Really doubt it.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We did the 5.6 beta and went through the probe fixes some time back.
 Haven't added any probes.

 These situations require liberal applications of swear words and liquor
 to troubleshoot when home at night and would rather be doing something
 other than troubleshooting.

 I have an open ticket with them, they were looking at it, I saw in the
 log they poked some ubnt probes.

 I see in the billing server logs they were looking at time.

 Would rrd and time issue affect the probes tab updates
 On Aug 5, 2015 8:57 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> If you have one bad OID for a price none of them work.  Removing the
> bad one makes the probes work instantly.
>
> Status check isn't effected by this.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 5, 2015 9:46 AM, "Jason Pond"  wrote:
>
>> I had this happen last week when I started upgrading my ubnt network
>> to 5.6.2  it is the result of a bad SNMP probe causing all SNMP to stop
>> functioning from the powercode server.  I opened a ticket with powercode
>> and they were able to resolve it.
>>
>> If you made any changes to the monitoring you might want to try to
>> remove bad probes.  Probes that were working on 5.5.x are not the same 
>> for
>> 5.6.x.  Once the bad probes were removed it took about 3 hours for things
>> to really start populating graphs again.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Jason Pond
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping
>>> it was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on 
>>> the
>>> VHD. This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode
>>> datastore 16 core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two
>>> lightly hit DNS servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so 
>>> not
>>> likely an external issue
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?

 Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot
 before though.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted,
> about every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never
> populates the probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still 
> present
> and probes worked during the resync, but failed again at some point,
> subsequent reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.
>
> I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are
> working, so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging 
> at some
> point in the polling as best I can tell
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully
>>> its just us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can 
>>> kick
>>> probes off on the back end, its just not logging. real time tools 
>>> work, so
>>> its not a communication issue, we didnt make any system 

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Chuck McCown]

You will find it hard to beat that.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:59 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/MIMO-80211-n//PAT50016dual-HV.html

On Aug 6, 2015 8:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Should be able to get 15 dBi  in a 9’ square or so.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

  Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol 



  On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini  wrote:

too big 


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

  mars MA-WA56-DP23 

  http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23


  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

[Keefe John]

They could start deploying fixed-wireless via BusinessOnlyBroadband.

On 8/6/2015 8:35 PM, David Milholen wrote:

Seems that all the  HYPE about CAF was a giant FARCE!
Go Giant telcos for gov funding. Squash the little guy :)



 Forwarded Message 

https://www.fcc.gov/document/windstream-takes-175m-connect-america-offer-expand-rural-broadband 

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Mathew Howard]

http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/MIMO-80211-n//PAT50016dual-HV.html
On Aug 6, 2015 8:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Should be able to get 15 dBi  in a 9’ square or so.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol
>
> Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> too big
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:
>>
>>> mars MA-WA56-DP23
>>>
>>> http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ginovi...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
 looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Jon Langeler]

radio type? Tough to beat the new ubiquiti sizes...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol 

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Chuck McCown]

Should be able to get 15 dBi  in a 9’ square or so.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol 



On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  too big 


  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

mars MA-WA56-DP23 

http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

  looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Mike Hammett]

Not enough of them, it seems. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:41:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 




Don’t they promote the secretaries of state and governors to the “big house” in 
your state? 




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:23 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 


Ours is through the Secretary of State. I think every state department here has 
additional costs added on for the Illinois Governor Retirement Commissary and 
Soap Fund. 


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency. For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself. 

I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp. Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things. Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses. 




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 


My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that. 
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff. 

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway? 

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time 



On the tax ID note 
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax 
ID. 


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 





i am not a lawyer but... 

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship. the LLC can protect your 
personal assets from someone who goes after the business. 

but again i am not a lawyer ;-) 




On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem sufficient. 

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales tax? 




On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 





This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but it's 
a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need to 
issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, 
the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an hour 
or two to pull it all together. 

bp
 


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote: 






-1000 

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you can 
probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides. Registering a 
DBA name is easy, too. Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to figure 
out how to complete. Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means necessary. 
On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money. You don’t need to 
pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you 
are willing to pay money to use/avoid one. 

HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO! 

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done what 
you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal assets (or 
other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to actually transact 
business in the state or location where you are located. You have to follow a 
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, 
resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) 
or you will have just wasted your time and money. As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too. 

Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small 
business accountant, is 

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[Mike Hammett]

MPLS-enabling a network also reduces your latency on Mikrotik. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:52:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist 

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF rings 
(like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I haven't done 
it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like customer tunnels for 
multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there. 


On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: 



I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, got a 
different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, all 
the fun stuff. 

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big L2 
network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest. 

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into the 
network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use STP, 
that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in case the 
main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a tower go 
out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well. 

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to take 
the rest of the day off... 

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the backbone, 
maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than 12+ subnets 
from tower to tower. 

Input is appreciated. 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Chuck McCown]

Don’t they promote the secretaries of state and governors to the “big house” in 
your state?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Ours is through the Secretary of State. I think every state department here has 
additional costs added on for the Illinois Governor Retirement Commissary and 
Soap Fund.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency.  For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself.

  I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp.  Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things.  Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

  My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that. 
  I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.

  So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway?

  When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time



  On the tax ID note
  I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax ID.

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

i am not a lawyer but... 

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can protect 
your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.

but again i am not a lawyer ;-)



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem 
sufficient.  

  Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales 
tax?

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, 
but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you 
need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. 
In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe 
an hour or two to pull it all together.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:




  -1000



  If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, 
you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  
Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a 
degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no 
means necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  
You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs 
so much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.



  HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



  If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t 
done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal 
assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to 
actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.  You 
have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, 
minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local 
registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and money. 
 As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements, too.



  Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good 
small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business 
right from the start.



  Doug





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMU

[AFMUG] Fwd: Windstream Takes $175M Connect America Offer To Expand Rural Broadband | FCC.gov

[David Milholen]

Seems that all the  HYPE about CAF was a giant FARCE!
Go Giant telcos for gov funding. Squash the little guy :)



 Forwarded Message 

https://www.fcc.gov/document/windstream-takes-175m-connect-america-offer-expand-rural-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Sean Heskett]

Too big?!?!  It's 1' square lol



On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> too big
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:
>
>> mars MA-WA56-DP23
>>
>> http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini > > wrote:
>>
>>> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti loses $40 million to fraud

[Rory Conaway]

Here is the Seeking Alpha link to the questions.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3412176-ubiquiti-networks-ubnt-robert-j-pera-on-q4-2015-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti loses $40 million to fraud

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1511737/000157104915006288/t1501817_8k.htm

Secure your email everyone. That's gotta hurt.


Sent while mobile

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti loses $40 million to fraud

[Ryan Ray]

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1511737/000157104915006288/t1501817_8k.htm

Secure your email everyone. That's gotta hurt.


Sent while mobile

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[George Skorup]

If you already have a routed core network, especially if you have OSPF 
rings (like we do), I figure it'd make more sense to put MPLS on top. I 
haven't done it yet because we haven't needed to do anything like 
customer tunnels for multi-site interconnects, but we're getting there.


On 8/6/2015 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each 
tower, got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed 
to the customers, all the fun stuff.


I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one 
big L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it 
will be no different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's 
own subnet, but the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the 
rest.


I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy 
into the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, 
might use STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another 
fiber feed in case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of 
redundancy should a tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than 
the ones behind it as well.


I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me 
to take the rest of the day off...


I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the 
backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler 
than 12+ subnets from tower to tower.


Input is appreciated.

Re: [AFMUG] MDU Hotspot?

[Keefe John]

Yup, you can run wired connections through a USG and use hotspot. We do 
a hotel and have both wired clients and wifi clients.


On 8/6/2015 6:22 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

for a ethernet network? not wifi?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Keefe John > wrote:


You could do this with a Unifi controller and a USG.


On 8/6/2015 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


Currently researching a Internet Gateway system for MDU
billing, access is via Gpon/Layer 2, need to have a gateway
system in place that acts like a hotspot system.  Walled
garden, customer enters CC payment and chooses either monthly
or long term service package.


Any ideas besides Nomadix?

Re: [AFMUG] Correct firmware for R5ac-lite?

[TJ Trout]

Thanks! that was probably buried in release notes somewhere!

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Work  wrote:

> You have to upgrade to 7.1.1RC first then you can upgrade to 7.1.3
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Can't seem to update a lite rocket, this is my first one.
>>
>> I'm trying to go from 7.0.3 (shipped fw) to either;
>>
>> XC.v7.1.3.27894.150713.1729
>>
>> XC.v7.1.4-beta.28460.150710.1545
>>
>> IS XC the correct type?
>>
>> Keeps saying invalid image!
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Correct firmware for R5ac-lite?

[Work]

You have to upgrade to 7.1.1RC first then you can upgrade to 7.1.3



—
Sent from Mailbox

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Can't seem to update a lite rocket, this is my first one.
> I'm trying to go from 7.0.3 (shipped fw) to either;
> XC.v7.1.3.27894.150713.1729
> XC.v7.1.4-beta.28460.150710.1545
> IS XC the correct type?
> Keeps saying invalid image!

Re: [AFMUG] MDU Hotspot?

[Gino Villarini]

for a ethernet network? not wifi?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> You could do this with a Unifi controller and a USG.
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>>
>> Currently researching a Internet Gateway system for MDU billing, access
>> is via Gpon/Layer 2, need to have a gateway system in place that acts like
>> a hotspot system.  Walled garden, customer enters CC payment and chooses
>> either monthly or long term service package.
>>
>>
>> Any ideas besides Nomadix?
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Correct firmware for R5ac-lite?

[TJ Trout]

Can't seem to update a lite rocket, this is my first one.

I'm trying to go from 7.0.3 (shipped fw) to either;

XC.v7.1.3.27894.150713.1729

XC.v7.1.4-beta.28460.150710.1545

IS XC the correct type?

Keeps saying invalid image!

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I just turned on the second tier debate... TiVo is a wonderful thing I love 
technology

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?
Date: Thu, Aug 6, 2015 3:28 PM

I figured it out.  They are rushing home to catch the second tier 
debate on Fox at 5pm eastern.  Or maybe you are right, at the bar, do you 
think sports bars will turn on the debates?  I wonder if our BW usage will 
be affected tonight?





From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a 
Thursday?


Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer 
either.  The support guy had some knowledge and actually answered the 
phone.  Must be opposite day.





Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 
937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:




Actually it’s 3pm here.

Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.





From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a 
Thursday?




Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing 
voice message system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.



Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 
1337Troy, 
OH 
45373

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Gino Villarini]

too big


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> mars MA-WA56-DP23
>
> http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[Glen Waldrop]

Just one thing I've noticed with MT, bridging vs switching, I had to have 
routes in an RB750UP set up with bridging or traffic would do strange things.

Set up switching and bridge the ether1 port and I don't have that problem.

Tracert and ping would show route redirects every other ping in bridge without 
routes in the 750. Setting ports 3-5 to use ether2 as the master and I don't 
have the redirect issue anymore. It also can't do QoS on port to port traffic 
in switch mode, works fine from ether1 to the switch chip though.




  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist


  Im probably mucking our whole network up, but we are putting a mikrotik 
rb1200ahx2 at each site, each backhaul goes into its own port for routing and 
running OSPF, there is a /30 between each site for router to router and the 
ospf traffic, a /30 secondary on each interface for the local backhaul radio to 
communicate. I just finished isolating the big layer 2 into chunks and will 
push the routers out to each site as time permits, but from our primary center 
point there are 4 isolated layer 2 networks connecting into the mikrotik.


  at the site, depending on the number of "LAN" side devices and number of 
backhauls, Im either creating a bridge on the mikrotik, or connecting to a site 
switch. this is saving us a ton of dough in switches, since these routers are 
so cheap, we pay less for them than one of the two switches at the sites


  We are turning up our first of the redundant paths tomorrow on the OSPF 
network, so learning how to toy with the metrics should be interesting.


  After all the work and hammering it turns out its pretty simple.


  With the OSPF people have yelled about distributing connected routes, its 
easier to do, but ive caused myself trouble a couple of times already so I see 
why people get so emotional about it


  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, 
got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, 
all the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big 
L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into 
the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use STP, 
that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in case the 
main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a tower go 
out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to 
take the rest of the day off...

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the 
backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than 12+ 
subnets from tower to tower.

Input is appreciated.





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[Josh Luthman]

Thank you Powercode for figuring out a problem on my network? ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 6, 2015 6:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> This ended up being a router issue on our side, changed to a mikrotik and
> jesus gave me a thumbs up
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Probe tab?  Really doubt it.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We did the 5.6 beta and went through the probe fixes some time back.
>>> Haven't added any probes.
>>>
>>> These situations require liberal applications of swear words and liquor
>>> to troubleshoot when home at night and would rather be doing something
>>> other than troubleshooting.
>>>
>>> I have an open ticket with them, they were looking at it, I saw in the
>>> log they poked some ubnt probes.
>>>
>>> I see in the billing server logs they were looking at time.
>>>
>>> Would rrd and time issue affect the probes tab updates
>>> On Aug 5, 2015 8:57 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you have one bad OID for a price none of them work.  Removing the
 bad one makes the probes work instantly.

 Status check isn't effected by this.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 5, 2015 9:46 AM, "Jason Pond"  wrote:

> I had this happen last week when I started upgrading my ubnt network
> to 5.6.2  it is the result of a bad SNMP probe causing all SNMP to stop
> functioning from the powercode server.  I opened a ticket with powercode
> and they were able to resolve it.
>
> If you made any changes to the monitoring you might want to try to
> remove bad probes.  Probes that were working on 5.5.x are not the same for
> 5.6.x.  Once the bad probes were removed it took about 3 hours for things
> to really start populating graphs again.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason Pond
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping
>> it was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on 
>> the
>> VHD. This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode
>> datastore 16 core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two
>> lightly hit DNS servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so 
>> not
>> likely an external issue
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?
>>>
>>> Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted,
 about every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never
 populates the probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still 
 present
 and probes worked during the resync, but failed again at some point,
 subsequent reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.

 I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are
 working, so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at 
 some
 point in the polling as best I can tell

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully
>> its just us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can 
>> kick
>> probes off on the back end, its just not logging. real time tools 
>> work, so
>> its not a communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near 
>> the
>> failure.
>> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive
>> removed mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, 
>> restarted
>> BMUs, restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

This ended up being a router issue on our side, changed to a mikrotik and
jesus gave me a thumbs up

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Probe tab?  Really doubt it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We did the 5.6 beta and went through the probe fixes some time back.
>> Haven't added any probes.
>>
>> These situations require liberal applications of swear words and liquor
>> to troubleshoot when home at night and would rather be doing something
>> other than troubleshooting.
>>
>> I have an open ticket with them, they were looking at it, I saw in the
>> log they poked some ubnt probes.
>>
>> I see in the billing server logs they were looking at time.
>>
>> Would rrd and time issue affect the probes tab updates
>> On Aug 5, 2015 8:57 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have one bad OID for a price none of them work.  Removing the bad
>>> one makes the probes work instantly.
>>>
>>> Status check isn't effected by this.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 5, 2015 9:46 AM, "Jason Pond"  wrote:
>>>
 I had this happen last week when I started upgrading my ubnt network to
 5.6.2  it is the result of a bad SNMP probe causing all SNMP to stop
 functioning from the powercode server.  I opened a ticket with powercode
 and they were able to resolve it.

 If you made any changes to the monitoring you might want to try to
 remove bad probes.  Probes that were working on 5.5.x are not the same for
 5.6.x.  Once the bad probes were removed it took about 3 hours for things
 to really start populating graphs again.

 Sincerely,

 Jason Pond

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping
> it was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on the
> VHD. This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode
> datastore 16 core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two
> lightly hit DNS servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so 
> not
> likely an external issue
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?
>>
>> Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before
>> though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about
>>> every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never 
>>> populates
>>> the probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and 
>>> probes
>>> worked during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent
>>> reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.
>>>
>>> I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are
>>> working, so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at 
>>> some
>>> point in the polling as best I can tell
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its
> just us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick 
> probes
> off on the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so 
> its not
> a communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the 
> failure.
> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive
> removed mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, 
> restarted
> BMUs, restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing 
> seems to
> work.
> I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram
> since the coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody 
> has this
> happen occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux
> command and burning sage.
> Our customer facing staff

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im probably mucking our whole network up, but we are putting a mikrotik
rb1200ahx2 at each site, each backhaul goes into its own port for routing
and running OSPF, there is a /30 between each site for router to router and
the ospf traffic, a /30 secondary on each interface for the local backhaul
radio to communicate. I just finished isolating the big layer 2 into chunks
and will push the routers out to each site as time permits, but from our
primary center point there are 4 isolated layer 2 networks connecting into
the mikrotik.

at the site, depending on the number of "LAN" side devices and number of
backhauls, Im either creating a bridge on the mikrotik, or connecting to a
site switch. this is saving us a ton of dough in switches, since these
routers are so cheap, we pay less for them than one of the two switches at
the sites

We are turning up our first of the redundant paths tomorrow on the OSPF
network, so learning how to toy with the metrics should be interesting.

After all the work and hammering it turns out its pretty simple.

With the OSPF people have yelled about distributing connected routes, its
easier to do, but ive caused myself trouble a couple of times already so I
see why people get so emotional about it

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

> I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower,
> got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the
> customers, all the fun stuff.
>
> I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big
> L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no
> different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but
> the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.
>
> I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into
> the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use
> STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in
> case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a
> tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.
>
> I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to
> take the rest of the day off...
>
> I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the
> backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than
> 12+ subnets from tower to tower.
>
> Input is appreciated.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[Ty Featherling]

This is basically what I have right now. I will describe it in more detail
when I'm not mobile.

-Ty

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

> I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower,
> got a different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the
> customers, all the fun stuff.
>
> I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big
> L2 network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no
> different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but
> the backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.
>
> I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into
> the network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use
> STP, that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in
> case the main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a
> tower go out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.
>
> I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to
> take the rest of the day off...
>
> I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the
> backbone, maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than
> 12+ subnets from tower to tower.
>
> Input is appreciated.
>

[AFMUG] Routed vs bridge with a twist

[Glen Waldrop]

I'm running Mikrotik, all routed, got a different subnet for each tower, got a 
different subnet between each tower, public IP's routed to the customers, all 
the fun stuff.

I'm thinking of restructuring my network so the entire backbone is one big L2 
network. If I plug into the switch at the tower at tower 5 it will be no 
different than tower 1 or 7. Each AP would still have it's own subnet, but the 
backside of each AP would be on the same L2 as the rest.

I'm planning on looping it all the way around and building redundancy into the 
network, haven't quite decided how I'm going to do that yet, might use STP, 
that is a little ways down the road. I'll have another fiber feed in case the 
main goes down and I'd like to have a level of redundancy should a tower go 
out, I'll only lose the one rather than the ones behind it as well.

I've fried my brain today, so if I'm sounding half crazy, just tell me to take 
the rest of the day off...

I'm thinking it might be best to have a few large L2 segments to the backbone, 
maybe three or four, rather than one big L2 and much simpler than 12+ subnets 
from tower to tower.

Input is appreciated.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Ken Hohhof]

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

I doubt the debate has any effect on bandwidth, any decisions being made or 
even the outcome of the election.  But that's just me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I figured it out.  They are rushing home to catch the second tier debate on 
Fox at 5pm eastern.  Or maybe you are right, at the bar, do you think sports 
bars will turn on the debates?  I wonder if our BW usage will be affected 
tonight?


  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

  Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer either.  The support 
guy had some knowledge and actually answered the phone.  Must be opposite day.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Actually it’s 3pm here.

Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message 
system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Josh Luthman]

I doubt the debate has any effect on bandwidth, any decisions being made or
even the outcome of the election.  But that's just me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I figured it out.  They are rushing home to catch the second tier debate
> on Fox at 5pm eastern.  Or maybe you are right, at the bar, do you think
> sports bars will turn on the debates?  I wonder if our BW usage will be
> affected tonight?
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a
> Thursday?
>
> Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer either.  The
> support guy had some knowledge and actually answered the phone.  Must be
> opposite day.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Actually it’s 3pm here.
>>
>> Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?
>>
>> Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message
>> system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Ken Hohhof]

I figured it out.  They are rushing home to catch the second tier debate on Fox 
at 5pm eastern.  Or maybe you are right, at the bar, do you think sports bars 
will turn on the debates?  I wonder if our BW usage will be affected tonight?


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer either.  The support guy 
had some knowledge and actually answered the phone.  Must be opposite day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Actually it’s 3pm here.

  Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.


  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

  Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message 
system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, support.  It’s 10:14pm in Czech Republic.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer either.  The support guy 
had some knowledge and actually answered the phone.  Must be opposite day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Actually it’s 3pm here.

  Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.


  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

  Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message 
system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Josh Luthman]

Well the eastern region inside sales guy didn't answer either.  The support
guy had some knowledge and actually answered the phone.  Must be opposite
day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Actually it’s 3pm here.
>
> Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?
>
> Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message
> system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Ken Hohhof]

Actually it’s 3pm here.

Maybe you went to voicemail “because of increased call volume”.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message system 
is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Cambium Sales goes to voicemail at 4PM on a Thursday?

[Josh Luthman]

Hitting the bars a little soon guys?  Also, your outgoing voice message
system is playing at 2x speed and sounds really funny.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Mike Hammett]

That's what my accountant did. *shrugs* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Douglas A. Hass"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 2:40:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 

Why are you a C Corp? Do you enjoy being taxed twice on your income or do you 
have C Corp investors, or? 

El ago. 6, 2015 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett  escribió: 
I'm a C-Corp, so of course it's different, but Illinois does break it off in 
your backside. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

 
From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 1:19:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 

Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency. For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself. 

I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp. Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things. Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses. 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 

My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that. 
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff. 

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway? 

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time 


On the tax ID note 
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax 
ID. 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: 
i am not a lawyer but... 

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship. the LLC can protect your 
personal assets from someone who goes after the business. 

but again i am not a lawyer ;-) 



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem sufficient. 

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales tax? 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but it's 
a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need to 
issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, 
the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an hour 
or two to pull it all together. 


bp 
 



On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote: 



-1000 



If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you can 
probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides. Registering a 
DBA name is easy, too. Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to figure 
out how to complete. Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means necessary. 
On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money. You don’t need to 
pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you 
are willing to pay money to use/avoid one. 



HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO! 



If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done what 
you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal assets (or 
other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to actually transact 
business in the state or location where you are located. You have to follow a 
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, 
resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) 
or you will have just wasted your time and money. As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too. 



Retaining a lawyer that sp

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[Dan Petermann]

+∞
On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Brian Meredith  
wrote:

> Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to accept the 
> request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads, even though I'm 100% sure 
> I'm putting in the correct entry.
> Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to download a data 
> sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support section for registered customers?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Hass, Douglas A.]

Why are you a C Corp? Do you enjoy being taxed twice on your income or do you 
have C Corp investors, or?

El ago. 6, 2015 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett  escribió:
I'm a C-Corp, so of course it's different, but Illinois does break it off in 
your backside.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 1:19:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency.  For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself.

I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp.  Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things.  Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that.
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway?

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time


On the tax ID note
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax ID.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
i am not a lawyer but...

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can protect 
your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.

but again i am not a lawyer ;-)



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem sufficient.

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales tax?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but it's 
a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need to 
issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, 
the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an hour 
or two to pull it all together.


bp




On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



-1000



If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you can 
probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  Registering 
a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to 
figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means 
necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  You 
don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so 
much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.



HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done what 
you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal assets (or 
other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to actually transact 
business in the state or location where you are located.  You have to follow a 
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, 
resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) 
or you will have just wasted your time and money.  As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too.



Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small 
business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business right 
from the start.



Doug





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Sub

Re: [AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Sean Heskett]

mars MA-WA56-DP23

http://www.mars-antennas.com/ma-wa56-dp23

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol
>

Re: [AFMUG] MDU Hotspot?

[Keefe John]

You could do this with a Unifi controller and a USG.

On 8/6/2015 2:06 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


Currently researching a Internet Gateway system for MDU billing, 
access is via Gpon/Layer 2, need to have a gateway system in place 
that acts like a hotspot system.  Walled garden, customer enters CC 
payment and chooses either monthly or long term service package.



Any ideas besides Nomadix?

[AFMUG] Small antenna for PTP, dual pol

[Gino Villarini]

looking for a small, cost effective panel 15-18 db 5ghz dual pol

[AFMUG] MDU Hotspot?

[Gino Villarini]

Currently researching a Internet Gateway system for MDU billing, access is
via Gpon/Layer 2, need to have a gateway system in place that acts like a
hotspot system.  Walled garden, customer enters CC payment and chooses
either monthly or long term service package.


Any ideas besides Nomadix?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Mike Hammett]

I'm a C-Corp, so of course it's different, but Illinois does break it off in 
your backside. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 1:19:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 




Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency. For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself. 

I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp. Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things. Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses. 




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 


My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that. 
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff. 

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway? 

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time 



On the tax ID note 
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax 
ID. 


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



i am not a lawyer but... 

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship. the LLC can protect your 
personal assets from someone who goes after the business. 

but again i am not a lawyer ;-) 




On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem sufficient. 

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales tax? 




On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 





This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but it's 
a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need to 
issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, 
the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an hour 
or two to pull it all together. 

bp
 


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote: 






-1000 

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you can 
probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides. Registering a 
DBA name is easy, too. Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to figure 
out how to complete. Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means necessary. 
On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money. You don’t need to 
pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you 
are willing to pay money to use/avoid one. 

HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO! 

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done what 
you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal assets (or 
other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to actually transact 
business in the state or location where you are located. You have to follow a 
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, 
resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) 
or you will have just wasted your time and money. As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too. 

Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small 
business accountant, is a must. Otherwise, you’re risking your business right 
from the start. 

Doug 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom 

+1. 

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The process 
is fairly simple; even I can do it. 

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Ken Hohhof]

Contact your elected representatives in Springfield.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=325&GAID=13&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=88&GA=99
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=SB&DocNum=2776&GAID=12&SessionID=85&LegID=78630


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Jesus H Christ, So I have to do this LLC-5.5 to establish an LLC in Illinois 
for 500 bucks, then LLC-45.5 to get permission to actually conduct business for 
another 500 bucks, and yearly 250 bucks LLC-50.1 report? 

And this is just to have a bank account?

And I suppose under purpose, I cant put anything about doing stuff to their 
mother either


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of 
Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We got the sales 
permit from the BOE, but at some point it became simpler for us to give away 
the hardware. Instead, we increased the service charge (which is not (yet) 
taxable in CA).


bp


On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some paperwork 
with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois reseller ID.  Note once 
you have one, they will hound you for the quarterly paperwork, and don’t ever 
be late.  The penalty for being late sending them $0.23 in sales tax will be 
something like $50.  Ask me how I know.  I finally refused to resell hardware 
and cancelled my reseller ID to make it stop.

So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal 
assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a separate 
bank account under your DBA, but there will be additional paperwork if you 
collect taxes or have employees.

As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.  You 
don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are making the 
wrong choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C Corp, 
etc. for various reasons including putting your personal assets at risk, tax 
consequences, and whether your business can have a subsidiary.

There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as long 
as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at me, I’m 7 feet 
off the ground without fall protection!


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem 
sufficient.  

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales 
tax?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but 
it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need 
to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In 
CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an 
hour or two to pull it all together.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:




-1000



If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, 
you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  
Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a 
degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no 
means necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  
You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs 
so much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.



HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t 
done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal 
assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to 
actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.  You 
have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, 
minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local 
registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and money. 
 As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements, too.



Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good 
small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business 
right from the start.



Doug





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom



+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The 
process is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Ours is through the Secretary of State. I think every state department here
has additional costs added on for the Illinois Governor Retirement
Commissary and Soap Fund.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency.  For
> example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right
> to the form where you do it yourself.
>
> I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp.  Provides some
> protection against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things.  Also makes it
> much easier to do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of
> expenses.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
> My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise
> legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive
> always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point,
> even if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the
> money in a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed
> womans debit card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household
> expenditures need to not be eating into that.
> I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.
>
> So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else
> anyway?
>
> When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no
> need for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB,
> OSHA never checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in
> the baggies. that was a simpler time
>
>
> On the tax ID note
> I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business
> discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state
> but they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them,
> I got percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I
> finally called and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but
> she told my I actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I
> cancelled my tax ID.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> i am not a lawyer but...
>>
>> i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can
>> protect your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.
>>
>> but again i am not a lawyer ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
>>> tax?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
 but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
 you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
 things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
 takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.

 bp
 


 On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



 -1000



 If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
 you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
 Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
 a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
 by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
 waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
 snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
 to use/avoid one.



 HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



 If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
 done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
 personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
 enough to actually transact business in the state or location where you are
 located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too
 (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
 registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
 money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
 too.



 Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good
 small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your
 business right from the start.



 Doug





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
 *To:* 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Chuck McCown]

Just do a quick google of your state’s corporation regulatory agency.  For 
example if you google DBA in Utah I am pretty sure it will take you right to 
the form where you do it yourself.

I would always run stuff through an LLC or S corp.  Provides some protection 
against lawsuits and bankruptcy types of things.  Also makes it much easier to 
do the bookkeeping to get the maximum tax advantage of expenses.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise 
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive 
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point, even 
if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the money in 
a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed womans debit 
card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household expenditures 
need to not be eating into that. 
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else anyway?

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no need 
for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB, OSHA never 
checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in the baggies. 
that was a simpler time



On the tax ID note
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business 
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state but 
they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them, I got 
percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I finally called 
and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but she told my I 
actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I cancelled my tax ID.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  i am not a lawyer but... 

  i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can protect 
your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.

  but again i am not a lawyer ;-)



  On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem 
sufficient.  

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales 
tax?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but 
it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need 
to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In 
CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an 
hour or two to pull it all together.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:




-1000



If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, 
you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  
Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a 
degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no 
means necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  
You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs 
so much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.



HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t 
done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal 
assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to 
actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.  You 
have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, 
minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local 
registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and money. 
 As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements, too.



Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good 
small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business 
right from the start.



Doug





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom



+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The 
process is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.




bp On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
wrote:

  You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen 
companies that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is 
easier to fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LL

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[Brian Sullivan]

We have had a few.

On 8/6/2015 12:12 PM, timothy steele wrote:
yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats 
making this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA
is the only solution.


On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF
die and show in re letters

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a
week or so before they stopped running tired defaulting both and
upgrading firmware on both did not work they also randomly reboot
the 2 where installed a 2hr drive apart connected to diffrent towers


anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Bill Prince]

I don't have any idea what the fees in Illinois are. The fees in 
California are very reasonable. Less than $100 for the whole works.


bp


On 8/6/2015 10:52 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Jesus H Christ, So I have to do this LLC-5.5 to establish an LLC in 
Illinois for 500 bucks, then LLC-45.5 to get permission to actually 
conduct business for another 500 bucks, and yearly 250 bucks LLC-50.1 
report?


And this is just to have a bank account?

And I suppose under purpose, I cant put anything about doing stuff to 
their mother either



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of
Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We
got the sales permit from the BOE, but at some point it became
simpler for us to give away the hardware. Instead, we increased
the service charge (which is not (yet) taxable in CA).

bp


On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some
paperwork with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois
reseller ID.  Note once you have one, they will hound you for the
quarterly paperwork, and don’t ever be late.  The penalty for
being late sending them $0.23 in sales tax will be something like
$50.  Ask me how I know.  I finally refused to resell hardware
and cancelled my reseller ID to make it stop.
So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your
personal assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk
and open a separate bank account under your DBA, but there will
be additional paperwork if you collect taxes or have employees.
As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and
accountant.  You don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise
you if you are making the wrong choice about sole proprietorship,
partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C Corp, etc. for various reasons
including putting your personal assets at risk, tax consequences,
and whether your business can have a subsidiary.
There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like
as long as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo,
look at me, I’m 7 feet off the ground without fall protection!
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
sufficient.
Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take
in sales tax?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a
lawyer, but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple
of times, and yes, you need to issue stock (if a corp),
publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, the SOS
office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes
maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.

bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



-1000

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and
nothing else, you can probably do it by downloading the free
forms your state provides. Registering a DBA name is easy,
too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to
figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful,
but by no means necessary. /On the other hand, LegalZoom is
a complete waste of money./  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom
unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that
you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.

HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you
haven’t done what you need to create a corporation that
protects you and your personal assets (or other corporate
assets), and you may not have done enough to actually
transact business in the state or location where you are
located. You have to follow a number of other corporate
formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, resolutions,
state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses,
etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and money.  As
Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing
requirements, too.

Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as
a good small business accountant, is a must. Otherwise,
you’re risking your business right from the start.

Doug

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

+1

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Aug 6, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Brian Meredith  
> wrote:
> 
> Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to accept the 
> request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads, even though I'm 100% sure 
> I'm putting in the correct entry.
> Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to download a data 
> sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support section for registered customers?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Josh Luthman]

Near Chicago tax

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 6, 2015 2:02 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Wow...it is like $30 here.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jesus H Christ, So I have to do this LLC-5.5 to establish an LLC in
>> Illinois for 500 bucks, then LLC-45.5 to get permission to actually conduct
>> business for another 500 bucks, and yearly 250 bucks LLC-50.1 report?
>>
>> And this is just to have a bank account?
>>
>> And I suppose under purpose, I cant put anything about doing stuff to
>> their mother either
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of
>>> Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We got the
>>> sales permit from the BOE, but at some point it became simpler for us to
>>> give away the hardware. Instead, we increased the service charge (which is
>>> not (yet) taxable in CA).
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some
>>> paperwork with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois reseller
>>> ID.  Note once you have one, they will hound you for the quarterly
>>> paperwork, and don’t ever be late.  The penalty for being late sending them
>>> $0.23 in sales tax will be something like $50.  Ask me how I know.  I
>>> finally refused to resell hardware and cancelled my reseller ID to make it
>>> stop.
>>>
>>> So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal
>>> assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a
>>> separate bank account under your DBA, but there will be additional
>>> paperwork if you collect taxes or have employees.
>>>
>>> As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.
>>> You don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are making
>>> the wrong choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C
>>> Corp, etc. for various reasons including putting your personal assets at
>>> risk, tax consequences, and whether your business can have a subsidiary.
>>>
>>> There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as
>>> long as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at me,
>>> I’m 7 feet off the ground without fall protection!
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>>
>>> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
>>> tax?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince < 
>>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
 but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
 you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
 things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
 takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.

 bp
 


 On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



 -1000



 If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
 you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
 Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
 a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
 by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
 waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
 snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
 to use/avoid one.



 HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



 If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
 done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
 personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
 enough to actually transact business in the state or location where you are
 located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too
 (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
 registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
 money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
 too.



 Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good
 small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your
 business right from the start.



 Doug





 *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Thursday, A

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[Josh Luthman]

Once a week it's busted.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 6, 2015 1:59 PM, "Brian Meredith" 
wrote:

>
>- Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to accept
>the request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads, even though I'm
>100% sure I'm putting in the correct entry.
>- Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to
>download a data sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support section for
>registered customers?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Jeremy]

Wow...it is like $30 here.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus H Christ, So I have to do this LLC-5.5 to establish an LLC in
> Illinois for 500 bucks, then LLC-45.5 to get permission to actually conduct
> business for another 500 bucks, and yearly 250 bucks LLC-50.1 report?
>
> And this is just to have a bank account?
>
> And I suppose under purpose, I cant put anything about doing stuff to
> their mother either
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of
>> Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We got the
>> sales permit from the BOE, but at some point it became simpler for us to
>> give away the hardware. Instead, we increased the service charge (which is
>> not (yet) taxable in CA).
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some
>> paperwork with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois reseller
>> ID.  Note once you have one, they will hound you for the quarterly
>> paperwork, and don’t ever be late.  The penalty for being late sending them
>> $0.23 in sales tax will be something like $50.  Ask me how I know.  I
>> finally refused to resell hardware and cancelled my reseller ID to make it
>> stop.
>>
>> So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal
>> assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a
>> separate bank account under your DBA, but there will be additional
>> paperwork if you collect taxes or have employees.
>>
>> As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.  You
>> don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are making the
>> wrong choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C
>> Corp, etc. for various reasons including putting your personal assets at
>> risk, tax consequences, and whether your business can have a subsidiary.
>>
>> There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as long
>> as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at me, I’m 7
>> feet off the ground without fall protection!
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>
>> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
>> sufficient.
>>
>> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
>> tax?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince < 
>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
>>> but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
>>> you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
>>> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
>>> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -1000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
>>> you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
>>> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
>>> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
>>> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
>>> waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
>>> snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
>>> to use/avoid one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
>>> done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
>>> personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
>>> enough to actually transact business in the state or location where you are
>>> located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too
>>> (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
>>> registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
>>> money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good
>>> small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your
>>> business right from the start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
>>> process is fairly simple; even I can do it.
>>>
>>> Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only c

[AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[Brian Meredith]

   - Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to accept the
   request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads, even though I'm 100%
   sure I'm putting in the correct entry.
   - Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to download
   a data sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support section for registered
   customers?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Jesus H Christ, So I have to do this LLC-5.5 to establish an LLC in
Illinois for 500 bucks, then LLC-45.5 to get permission to actually conduct
business for another 500 bucks, and yearly 250 bucks LLC-50.1 report?

And this is just to have a bank account?

And I suppose under purpose, I cant put anything about doing stuff to their
mother either


On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of
> Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We got the
> sales permit from the BOE, but at some point it became simpler for us to
> give away the hardware. Instead, we increased the service charge (which is
> not (yet) taxable in CA).
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some
> paperwork with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois reseller
> ID.  Note once you have one, they will hound you for the quarterly
> paperwork, and don’t ever be late.  The penalty for being late sending them
> $0.23 in sales tax will be something like $50.  Ask me how I know.  I
> finally refused to resell hardware and cancelled my reseller ID to make it
> stop.
>
> So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal
> assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a
> separate bank account under your DBA, but there will be additional
> paperwork if you collect taxes or have employees.
>
> As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.  You
> don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are making the
> wrong choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C
> Corp, etc. for various reasons including putting your personal assets at
> risk, tax consequences, and whether your business can have a subsidiary.
>
> There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as long
> as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at me, I’m 7
> feet off the ground without fall protection!
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
> sufficient.
>
> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
> tax?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince < 
> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but
>> it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you
>> need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
>> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
>> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> -1000
>>
>>
>>
>> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you
>> can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
>> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
>> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
>> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
>> waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy
>> web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money to
>> use/avoid one.
>>
>>
>>
>> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>>
>>
>>
>> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done
>> what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal
>> assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to
>> actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.
>> You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate
>> books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
>> registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
>> money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
>> too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small
>> business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business
>> right from the start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
>> process is fairly simple; even I can do it.
>>
>> Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
>>
>> You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies
>> that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easie

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Bill Prince]

In CA it is a completely different agency called the BOE (Board of 
Equalization) that you have to deal with to charge sales tax. We got the 
sales permit from the BOE, but at some point it became simpler for us to 
give away the hardware. Instead, we increased the service charge (which 
is not (yet) taxable in CA).


bp


On 8/6/2015 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some 
paperwork with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois 
reseller ID.  Note once you have one, they will hound you for the 
quarterly paperwork, and don’t ever be late.  The penalty for being 
late sending them $0.23 in sales tax will be something like $50.  Ask 
me how I know.  I finally refused to resell hardware and cancelled my 
reseller ID to make it stop.
So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal 
assets), probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a 
separate bank account under your DBA, but there will be additional 
paperwork if you collect taxes or have employees.
As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.  
You don’t know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are 
making the wrong choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, 
PC, S Corp, C Corp, etc. for various reasons including putting your 
personal assets at risk, tax consequences, and whether your business 
can have a subsidiary.
There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as 
long as it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at 
me, I’m 7 feet off the ground without fall protection!

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem 
sufficient.
Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in 
sales tax?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a
lawyer, but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of
times, and yes, you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish
minutes, and a couple of other things. In CA, the SOS office has a
little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an hour or two
to pull it all together.

bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



-1000

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing
else, you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your
state provides.  Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually
just a form that doesn’t take a degree to figure out how to
complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means
necessary. /On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of
money./  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy
web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay
money to use/avoid one.

HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you
haven’t done what you need to create a corporation that protects
you and your personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you
may not have done enough to actually transact business in the
state or location where you are located.  You have to follow a
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books,
minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your
time and money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual
filing requirements, too.

Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a
good small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re
risking your business right from the start.

Doug

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in
CA). The process is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to
publish.


bp

  


On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:

You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen
companies that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out
a form that is easier to fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into
getting a LLC form form the state first… you probably want a
lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.

Sincerely,

Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 

supp...@joshaven.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Jeremy]

I'd just register a LLC and DBA on your state's business website.  Should
take you about as long as it took to type that email...

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:10 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise
> legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive
> always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point,
> even if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the
> money in a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed
> womans debit card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household
> expenditures need to not be eating into that.
> I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.
>
> So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else
> anyway?
>
> When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no
> need for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB,
> OSHA never checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in
> the baggies. that was a simpler time
>
>
> On the tax ID note
> I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business
> discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state
> but they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them,
> I got percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I
> finally called and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but
> she told my I actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I
> cancelled my tax ID.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> i am not a lawyer but...
>>
>> i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can
>> protect your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.
>>
>> but again i am not a lawyer ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
>>> tax?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
 but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
 you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
 things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
 takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.

 bp
 


 On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



 -1000



 If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
 you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
 Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
 a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
 by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
 waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
 snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
 to use/avoid one.



 HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



 If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
 done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
 personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
 enough to actually transact business in the state or location where you are
 located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too
 (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
 registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
 money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
 too.



 Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good
 small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your
 business right from the start.



 Doug





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom



 +1.

 You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
 process is fairly simple; even I can do it.

 Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.


 bp

 



 On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:

 You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies
 that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to
 fill ou

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[timothy steele]

yeah same here 1 was a tower climb.. was hoping someone knew whats making
this happen as they work fine out of the box then die later

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is the
> only solution.
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:
>
> we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and
> show in re letters
>
> RF Calibration Failure
> ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!
>
> They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or so
> before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware on
> both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr
> drive apart connected to diffrent towers
>
>
> anyone have any clue whats going on here??
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

My main purpose is so I can get a bank account in that name and advertise
legally with that name, right now I send bills to people with my name. Ive
always just put the income on my personal tax returns, but its to a point,
even if I still continue to do that in the future, I would like to keep the
money in a separate account from my mortgage payment and my nappy headed
womans debit card. This isnt retirement money type revenue but my household
expenditures need to not be eating into that.
I have a couple of cash money guys that occasionally do stuff.

So the gist is, LegalZoom bad? and I should probably do something else
anyway?

When I used to sell dope, I never had any of these issues, no taxes, no
need for a corporation, didnt need to worry about complaints to the BBB,
OSHA never checked to make sure I was not exposing my guys to any PBA in
the baggies. that was a simpler time


On the tax ID note
I had a tax ID a long time ago, this was when tiger direct gave business
discounts, so I needed to provide that. I never had any debt to the state
but they did hound me for that quarterly, for the zero dollars I owed them,
I got percentage based penalties a couple of times of zero dollars. I
finally called and talked to a nice lady about it, she took care of it but
she told my I actually needed to cut a zero dollar check in the future. I
cancelled my tax ID.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> i am not a lawyer but...
>
> i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can
> protect your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.
>
> but again i am not a lawyer ;-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
>> sufficient.
>>
>> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
>> tax?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer,
>>> but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes,
>>> you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
>>> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
>>> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -1000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else,
>>> you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
>>> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
>>> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
>>> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
>>> waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like
>>> snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money
>>> to use/avoid one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t
>>> done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your
>>> personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done
>>> enough to actually transact business in the state or location where you are
>>> located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too
>>> (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
>>> registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
>>> money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good
>>> small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your
>>> business right from the start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
>>> process is fairly simple; even I can do it.
>>>
>>> Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
>>>
>>> You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies
>>> that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to
>>> fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first…
>>> you probably want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Joshaven Potter
>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
>>> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>>
>>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Au

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Sean Heskett]

i am not a lawyer but...

i'd recommend an LLC instead of a sole proprietorship.  the LLC can protect
your personal assets from someone who goes after the business.

but again i am not a lawyer ;-)



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
> sufficient.
>
> Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
> tax?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but
>> it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you
>> need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
>> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
>> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> -1000
>>
>>
>>
>> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you
>> can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
>> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
>> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
>> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete
>> waste of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy
>> web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money to
>> use/avoid one.
>>
>>
>>
>> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>>
>>
>>
>> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done
>> what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal
>> assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to
>> actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.
>> You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate
>> books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
>> registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
>> money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
>> too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small
>> business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business
>> right from the start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
>> process is fairly simple; even I can do it.
>>
>> Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
>>
>> You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies
>> that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to
>> fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first…
>> you probably want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joshaven Potter
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
>> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an
>> LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred
>> dollars a year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff
>> comes up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something
>> similar near you.
>>
>> http://www.cartertani.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small
>> business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
>> I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome.
>> It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
>> Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Douglas A. Hass*
>> Associate
>> 312.786.6502
>> d...@franczek.com
>>
>> *Franczek Radelet P.C.*
>>
>> 300 South Wacker Drive
>> Suite 3400
>> Chicago, IL 60606
>> 312.986.0300 - Main
>> 312.986.9192 - Fax
>> www.franczek.com
>> www.wagehourinsights.com
>> Connect with me:
>> [image: linkedin]  [image: twitter]
>> 
>> *Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal
>> Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise,
>> any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 4 Sale - Brand New ePMP 25 dBi Dishes

[Gino Villarini]

Forcé 100 or  force 110?

Gino A. Villarini
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Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Ken Hohhof]

If you are going to collect sales tax, you will need to file some paperwork 
with the state.  I believe you will need an Illinois reseller ID.  Note once 
you have one, they will hound you for the quarterly paperwork, and don’t ever 
be late.  The penalty for being late sending them $0.23 in sales tax will be 
something like $50.  Ask me how I know.  I finally refused to resell hardware 
and cancelled my reseller ID to make it stop.

So the point was sole proprietor is easy (if risky to your personal assets), 
probably just file a form with the county clerk and open a separate bank 
account under your DBA, but there will be additional paperwork if you collect 
taxes or have employees.

As Doug pointed out, you really should have a lawyer and accountant.  You don’t 
know what you don’t know.  They can advise you if you are making the wrong 
choice about sole proprietorship, partnership, LLC, PC, S Corp, C Corp, etc. 
for various reasons including putting your personal assets at risk, tax 
consequences, and whether your business can have a subsidiary.

There are probably some advantages to a sole proprietorship, like as long as 
it’s just you, I think you can ignore OSHA.  Woo hoo, look at me, I’m 7 feet 
off the ground without fall protection!


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem sufficient.  

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales tax?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but 
it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you need 
to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other things. In 
CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It takes maybe an 
hour or two to pull it all together.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:




-1000



If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you 
can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  
Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a 
degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no 
means necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  
You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs 
so much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.



HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!



If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done 
what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal 
assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to 
actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.  You 
have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, 
minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local 
registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and money. 
 As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements, too.



Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small 
business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business right 
from the start.



Doug





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom



+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The 
process is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.




bp On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
wrote:

  You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies 
that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to 
fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first… you 
probably want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.





  Sincerely,

  Joshaven Potter
  MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
  Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370

  supp...@joshaven.com







On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up 
an LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred 
dollars a year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff comes 
up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar 
near you.

http://www.cartertani.com/





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Legalzoom



Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small 
b

Re: [AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[George Skorup]

Had a couple 3GHz and 5GHz SMs last week as well. Replace and RMA is the 
only solution.


On 8/6/2015 11:11 AM, timothy steele wrote:
we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and 
show in re letters


RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or 
so before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading 
firmware on both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where 
installed a 2hr drive apart connected to diffrent towers



anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

for a small, on the side business sole proprietorship would seem
sufficient.

Whats this you say about sales tax, a sole proprietor cant take in sales
tax?

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, but
> it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, you
> need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of other
> things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you need. It
> takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:
>
>
>
> -1000
>
>
>
> If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you
> can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.
> Registering a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take
> a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but
> by no means necessary.  *On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste
> of money.*  You don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web
> interfaces/hate PDFs so much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid
> one.
>
>
>
> HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!
>
>
>
> If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done
> what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal
> assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to
> actually transact business in the state or location where you are located.
> You have to follow a number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate
> books, minutes, resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local
> registrations/licenses, etc.) or you will have just wasted your time and
> money.  As Ken pointed out, most states have annual filing requirements,
> too.
>
>
>
> Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small
> business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business
> right from the start.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
>
>
> +1.
>
> You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The
> process is fairly simple; even I can do it.
>
> Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
>
> You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies
> that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to
> fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first…
> you probably want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an
> LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred
> dollars a year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff
> comes up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something
> similar near you.
>
> http://www.cartertani.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>
>
>
> Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small
> business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
> I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome.
> It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
> Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Douglas A. Hass*
> Associate
> 312.786.6502
> d...@franczek.com
>
> *Franczek Radelet P.C.*
>
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[AFMUG] RF Calibration Failure ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

[timothy steele]

we have had 2 brand new 5ghz 450's out of the blue have the RF die and show
in re letters

RF Calibration Failure
ADI Catalina R1 chip not supported!

They both where running 13.2.1 and both where installed for a week or so
before they stopped running tired defaulting both and upgrading firmware on
both did not work they also randomly reboot the 2 where installed a 2hr
drive apart connected to diffrent towers


anyone have any clue whats going on here??


Thanks

[AFMUG] 4 Sale - Brand New ePMP 25 dBi Dishes

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Bill Prince]

This stuff is not rocket science. It might be difficult for a lawyer, 
but it's a fairly rote process. I've done it a couple of times, and yes, 
you need to issue stock (if a corp), publish minutes, and a couple of 
other things. In CA, the SOS office has a little checklist of what you 
need. It takes maybe an hour or two to pull it all together.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:45 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:



-1000

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, 
you can probably do it by downloading the free forms your state 
provides.  Registering a DBA name is easy, too. Usually just a form 
that doesn’t take a degree to figure out how to complete.  Having an 
attorney is helpful, but by no means necessary. /On the other hand, 
LegalZoom is a complete waste of money./  You don’t need to pay 
LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so much that 
you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.


HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t 
done what you need to create a corporation that protects you and your 
personal assets (or other corporate assets), and you may not have done 
enough to actually transact business in the state or location where 
you are located.  You have to follow a number of other corporate 
formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, resolutions, state 
registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) or you 
will have just wasted your time and money.  As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too.


Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good 
small business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your 
business right from the start.


Doug

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). 
The process is fairly simple; even I can do it.


Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:

You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen
companies that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a
form that is easier to fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting
a LLC form form the state first… you probably want a lawyer to
draw up your articles of organization though.

Sincerely,

Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370

supp...@joshaven.com 

On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can
set up an LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the
state for a couple hundred dollars a year and you will have
someone to consult when related stuff comes up.  I use these
guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar
near you.

http://www.cartertani.com/

*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm 

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Legalzoom

Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a
small business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad
taste in the mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon
a lonesome. It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?



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Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Adam Moffett]

I filed a DBA years agoI don't remember if there was a fee.  One 
page form at the county clerk's office.  Easy as pie.


On 8/6/2015 12:35 AM, Jeremy wrote:
In our state it seems like I filed a dba on the state business website 
for a buck or two.


On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small
business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in
the mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a
lonesome. It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] cost and kind of tower to install at customer location

[Adam Moffett]

I remember a 50ft Trylon ST that ended up at $12k once everything was 
accounted for.  It's 4-5x the cost of the steel.


There are a lot of places where people cut corners to make it cheaper, 
but doing it right is expensive.




On 8/5/2015 8:04 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Guys
I had an customer emailed me and asked me if I provide internet access in his 
area and I told him currently I dont. Then he asked me what it would take for 
me get net access to his location and I told him that I would need at least 
120-130 ft. Then customer wants to know how much and kind of tower he would 
need to be installed. I gave him an ball park price of 5k for the tower but I 
could be wrong on that price.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Chuck McCown]

Ditto

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

In our state it seems like I filed a dba on the state business website for a 
buck or two.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small business 
that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
  I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome. 
It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees. 
  Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Ken Hohhof]

But in Illinois I believe an S Corp will be $100 including franchise tax, it 
looks like an LLC is $250.  Mine is an S Corp, you need to issue stock, 
designate officers, file an annual report, and I believe you need a registered 
agent.  Not sure about an LLC or PC.

Maybe Steve is just talking about a sole proprietorship, I’m not familiar with 
the process, but you may not need to do anything more than file your DBA name 
with the county clerk.  As long as you don’t have employees or collect sales 
tax.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The process 
is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.


bp


On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:

  You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies that 
use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to fill out 
then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first… you probably 
want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.


  Sincerely,
  Joshaven Potter
  MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
  Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
  supp...@joshaven.com



On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an 
LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred 
dollars a year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff comes 
up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar 
near you.
http://www.cartertani.com/


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small business 
that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome. 
It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees. 
Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Hass, Douglas A.]

-1000

If you just need to file corporate formation papers and nothing else, you can 
probably do it by downloading the free forms your state provides.  Registering 
a DBA name is easy, too.  Usually just a form that doesn’t take a degree to 
figure out how to complete.  Having an attorney is helpful, but by no means 
necessary.  On the other hand, LegalZoom is a complete waste of money.  You 
don’t need to pay LegalZoom unless you like snazzy web interfaces/hate PDFs so 
much that you are willing to pay money to use/avoid one.

HOWEVER FILING THE FORMS ISN’T ALL YOU NEED TO DO!

If all you do is pay the filing fees and file the forms, you haven’t done what 
you need to create a corporation that protects you and your personal assets (or 
other corporate assets), and you may not have done enough to actually transact 
business in the state or location where you are located.  You have to follow a 
number of other corporate formalities, too (corporate books, minutes, 
resolutions, state registrations/licenses, local registrations/licenses, etc.) 
or you will have just wasted your time and money.  As Ken pointed out, most 
states have annual filing requirements, too.

Retaining a lawyer that specializes in this area, as well as a good small 
business accountant, is a must.  Otherwise, you’re risking your business right 
from the start.

Doug


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The process 
is fairly simple; even I can do it.

Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.



bp




On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies that use 
one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to fill out 
then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first… you probably 
want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an LLC or 
S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred dollars a 
year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff comes up.  I use 
these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar near you.
http://www.cartertani.com/


From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small business 
that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome. It's 
like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?
Doug Hass
Associate
312.786.6502

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Suite 3400
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Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Bill Prince]

+1.

You can do an LLC or an S corp for just the filing fee ($25 in CA). The 
process is fairly simple; even I can do it.


Doing a DBA is also pretty simple, and only costs $10 or $20 to publish.

bp


On 8/6/2015 6:15 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies 
that use one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is 
easier to fill out then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form 
the state first… you probably want a lawyer to draw up your articles 
of organization though.



Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com 



On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up 
an LLC or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a 
couple hundred dollars a year and you will have someone to consult 
when related stuff comes up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m 
sure there is something similar near you.

http://www.cartertani.com/
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Legalzoom
Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small 
business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the 
mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a 
lonesome. It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.

Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

You probably don’t need a lawyer to file the LLC.  I’ve seen companies that use 
one where the lawyer is payed to fill out a form that is easier to fill out 
then a 1099ez.  Look into getting a LLC form form the state first… you probably 
want a lawyer to draw up your articles of organization though.


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an LLC 
> or S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred 
> dollars a year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff comes 
> up.  I use these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar 
> near you.
> http://www.cartertani.com/ 
>  
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Legalzoom
>  
> Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small business 
> that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
> I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome. 
> It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees. 
> Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adoreAndroid

[Lewis Bergman]

It seems to me that there is some confusion between Apple as a tech leader
and Apple as a company.
  Apple as a great company. They have fantastic marketing and a rabid
fan base willing to buy just about anything with a bite out of it. Nearly
everyone is convinced that any Apple product is easy to use or at least the
easiest to use. Fantastic earnings, a locked in subscriber base, huge
recurring revenue streams. Even their PE at 13.38 is more reasonable than a
great many riskier and less proven companies.
  Apple as a tech leader. H Hasn't come out with a really new
idea in a decade, technically is usually slower and more expensive. The
watch, years behind other products, the iPad, same thing. iPhonedidn't
take off until after a huge price drop but was arguably their last
innovation. Actually reminds me of Motorola except with a better phone than
the Razor. Motorola never had the same hippie cool vibe though, just
quality, which it turns out few consider during the purchasing cycle.

But please refer to the above company discussion, in in my world ( the one
where I don't give a poot about all that tech crap because it has nothing
to do with making money ) it is irrelevant. If Apple continues to convince
people they MUST have whatever they are selling they will continue to do
great things in the financial sector regardless of whether or not the
techno geeks believe they deserve it.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Simon Westlake <
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com> wrote:

> They have a good model, now that they've made it work. Control the whole
> product and you can offer great support. Pretty tough for Microsoft when
> anyone can throw a PC together. The Windows 10 situation is interesting to
> me, shows they are really re-orientating their business model.
>
>
> On 8/5/2015 7:49 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> That's true.  That's why they have Genius Bar.  Not really trying to argue
> here, but their support over Windows/PC is flat out awesome.  Take it for a
> ride one day and go to one of their stores...they make it easy, they
> personally take the time to teach their clients things, and they even hold
> micro classes for people to teach them how to use it.  Granted not every
> city has one, it's still available to many people.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> My view from the phone support perspective is people should buy whatever
>> device they like, as long as they know how to use it, or are willing to
>> learn.
>>
>> But if you are ignorant and like it that way, please disregard the
>> outdated wisdom that any idiot can operate a Mac because they are so simple
>> and intuitive.  If you don’t even know where the power switch is, how to
>> launch an application or find a file, or how to connect to a WiFi network,
>> please buy whatever the other 95% of the world buys, because that’s what
>> I’m going to be able to walk you through from memory, crib sheets, or the
>> Windows machine sitting on my desk.
>>
>> Don’t buy a foreign sports car and then expect the dealer or gas station
>> attendant to teach you how to shift.  If you are lucky to know what hole
>> the gas goes in, you should have bought the Camry.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 6:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually
>> adoreAndroid
>>
>> It's hard to argue with a company that makes $180B+ last year, and has a
>> market cap of $700B+, and has some of the largest earnings of all time.  I
>> don't think there's a company of that size in that space.  Google and
>> Microsoft's estimated value together are not as big as Apple's.  Someone is
>> doing something right...all of them do something...but it definitely shows
>> someone is doing something right.  Just because I use an iPhone doesn't
>> mean I can't prefer Windows on the desktop.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/5/2015 3:42 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
 Say what you want... Apple is still the largest company in the world...
 still... this discussion has been going on for 5+ years now... and Apple is
 making more money than they can spend... and Samsung is losing more money
 every quarter. :)

>>> Largest based on stock price. That's a moving target. Apple will rot
>>> someday.
>>>
>>> All the phone manufacturers love Android because it's free. Ask any of
 them if they would actually pay for it and see what response you get. LOL

>>> Apple gives theirs away too, but you have to buy an Apple phone to use
>>> it. No thanks. I don't like the tiny box you have to live inside in order
>>> to use it.
>>>
>>> Just like everyone is jumping on Windows 10... because it's a free
 upgrade.

>>> And Apple gives theirs away too for the most part.
>>>
>>> meh
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Ken Hohhof]

Find a local lawyer who specializes in small business, you can set up an LLC or 
S Corp and do the annual filings with the state for a couple hundred dollars a 
year and you will have someone to consult when related stuff comes up.  I use 
these guys (gals, actually), I’m sure there is something similar near you.
http://www.cartertani.com/


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small business 
that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome. It's 
like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees. 
Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] Legalzoom

[Lewis Bergman]

Last time I filed a DBA in Texas it took about 10 minutes and $25.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> In our state it seems like I filed a dba on the state business website for
> a buck or two.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this outfit worth dealing with for stuff like a dba for a small
>> business that will probably generate 22 bucks and a bad taste in the mouth.
>> I assume everybody here did this among other things once upon a lonesome.
>> It's like 99 to 150 bucks plus the filing fees.
>> Is a dba something you can muck up on your own?
>>
>
>


-- 
Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Aluminum vs Galvanized Steel Masts

[Ken Hohhof]

Graybar stocks IMC.  The Glendale Heights location is near my house, but it 
looks like they also have a location in Joliet by you.



-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aluminum vs Galvanized Steel Masts

We bought some 1-1/4" IMC. Nice that it's about 30% lighter and same
O.D. as rigid, but it's kinda hard to find. Found a couple pieces at
Crescent Electric and special ordered some more from Menards because it
was cheaper.

On 8/5/2015 10:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I used aluminum conduit as a mast once and found it quite bendy compared 
to rigid or IMC.


-Original Message- From: Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:39 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Aluminum vs Galvanized Steel Masts

Looking at pricing recently I noticed that schedule 40 aluminum pipe
isn't that much more expensive than schedule 40 hot dipped steel pipe.
Is there any disadvantage to using it on a tower?  The weight would make
it a lot easy for tower crews.

Keefe

Re: [AFMUG] OT Watch: Lexus makes a hoverboard that actually works - CNN Philippines

[Jason McKemie]

This has already been done, it's magnetic.

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
> http://cnnphilippines.com/lifestyle/2015/08/06/lexus-hoverboard-back-to-the-future.html
>