Re: [AFMUG] Country of Qatar uses one v4 address

[George Skorup]

??? 
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3glahg/til_the_entire_nation_of_qatar_has_the_same_ip/


On 8/11/2015 11:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


*82.148.97.69*

That's interesting...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Jeremy]

I have been extremely impressed with the new UBNT AC sectors.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Go by the F/B ratio. Makes a huge difference.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 9:34 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
>
> A followup question before ordering...
>
> The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements and
> has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17 dBi
> antenna.
>
> Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium
> before the RF Elements unit?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas
>> and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head <
>>> li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.


 On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 The Cambium OEM is RF elements.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett" < 
 af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
> slightly "better".
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" < ch...@shelbybb.com>
> *To: * af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>
> I think those are the ePMP sectors?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4
>> GHz 14dBi sectors.
>>
>> Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small
>> sectors (in the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low
>> cost of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new
>> versions perform significantly better.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Country of Qatar uses one v4 address

[Josh Luthman]

*82.148.97.69*

That's interesting...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Wireless Admin]

Yes.

 

Steve B

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Steve,

Are you using them as in Beta? I am assuming they will be a good solution
but its hard to deploy tower sites and assume the client is coming soon.

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Force 200 (2.4Ghz)

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:28 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Are these 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

We're getting about the same DB Levels as the KP Performance dish. Can't
speak to SNR.

 

Steve

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:29 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200's are for real.  We have several demo
units and they ROCK ..  I don't know cost or availability but I'd wait if
possible if I were you.

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well as
the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force dish.
The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized vs the
integrated on the KP dish.

 

Craig

 

 

  _  

From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

 

I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it here
and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is great in
the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for antennas. What
are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we are considering
the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the mouting. But at 150 a
pop I am hoping for other options.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Adam Moffett]

Hah!  Circa 1990-something you could go to Radioshack and buy a tone 
generator.  You would hold it up to the mouthpiece of your rotary phone 
and push the buttons on it to make DTMF tones so you could use IVR menus.


I never used one for it's intended purpose, but I bought one because 
you could modify the asterisk key to create the 5c tone for a payphone.  
Tap it 5 times to pretend you put a quarter in.  The whole idea was 
ridiculous because I spent more money on that project than I ever spent 
on payphones.


On 8/11/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I wouldn’t bring up rotary dial, they will look to see if your horse 
and buggy are tied to the hitching post out front.  Might as well 
mention it doesn’t support party line.
Anyone trying to use a non-DTMF capable phone will have trouble using 
voicemail and IVR anyway.

If you really need to connect your antique phone:
http://www.dialgizmo.com/
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] voip inadequacies
I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the 
years.  I am going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow 
morning and I want to have a list to defuse them before the oral part 
of the proceedings start.

I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:
Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a 
doctor’s office and pharmacy once)
TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will 
work on a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

Dial up modems
Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even 
hook it up if you tell them it is VOIP).

Burglar Alarms  ditto
I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results 
phoned in.
Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an 
ATA/SIP unit.  I wonder if it would work.

Any others?

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Jaime Solorza]

Maybe off topic but does all that iron in your area affect RF performance,
Brandon?
On Aug 10, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:

> I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it
> here and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is
> great in the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for
> antennas. What are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we
> are considering the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the
> mouting. But at 150 a pop I am hoping for other options.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Mike Hammett]

It's been coming "soon" longer than 

>From what I can tell, Border6 is the only one that does any sort of inbound 
>traffic manipulation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Robbie Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:13:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 


Correct, but the have an inbound version in the works as well. Supposed to be 
Q2 of this year... 








Robbie Wright 
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Noction is among those that only affect outbound. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Robbie Wright" < rob...@siuslawbroadband.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:35:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 


http://www.noction.com/ 



We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC. 








Robbie Wright 
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 





I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand vs 
having some automation take over … 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 



Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network? 

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept. Just reading up on the 
concept now 

Paul McCall, Pres. 
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 office 
772-473-0352 cell 
www.pdmnet.com 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Jaime Solorza]

My mum has TWC VoIP service and it sucksI have never embraced it.
On Aug 11, 2015 5:10 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Oh, yeah, Elevator Alarms too...
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] voip inadequacies
>
> I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the years.
> I am going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow morning and I want
> to have a list to defuse them before the oral part of the proceedings start.
>
> I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:
>
> Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a doctor’s
> office and pharmacy once)
>
> TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will
> work on a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.
>
> Dial up modems
>
> Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even hook it
> up if you tell them it is VOIP).
> Burglar Alarms  ditto
>
> I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results phoned in.
>
> Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an ATA/SIP
> unit.  I wonder if it would work.
>
> Any others?
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Jaime Solorza]

I was testing you.  You passed
On Aug 11, 2015 6:20 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> GPS isn't geosynchronous.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:54:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>
> Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion?
> On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
>> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
>> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
>> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
>> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
>> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>>
>> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>>
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>>
>>>
>>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>>
>>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>>> product.
>>>
>>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>>> designs.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
 pulse?

 And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Jaime Solorza]

West End has great restaurants.  The great Mexican restaurants are not
downtown.  But you can get a decent steak in many places.
On Aug 11, 2015 5:38 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I think my pasty NY skin got sunburned walking across the street from my
> hotel to Telrad's hotel.
>
> On 8/11/2015 7:36 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I always tell people if they want to experience Phoenix in the summer,
> stand in front of a blow-dryer.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World
>
>
>
> That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with talk
> of "warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third tennis shoes
> are melting it is to late.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.
>
> I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
> was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Sean Heskett]

Yes WAAS is geosynchronous

On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Except for the WAAS satellites (
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System).
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 5:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> GPS isn't geosynchronous.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:54:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>
> Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion?
> On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:
>
>> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
>> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
>> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
>> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
>> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
>> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>>
>> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince <
>> part15...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>>
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>>
>>>
>>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>>
>>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>>> product.
>>>
>>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>>> designs.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" <
>>> d...@wyoming.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
 pulse?

 And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Sean Heskett]

Geosynchronous orbit is 22,000 miles up so the satellite orbits the earth
once per day which places it in the same spot in the sky.  That's why your
satellite dish is aimed at a fixed point.

GPS is 11,000 miles up so they orbit the earth twice per day.  They have a
constellation of 32 (currently) so that there's always at least 6 or more
visible from anywhere on the earth.

The international space station orbits 200 miles up and goes around the
earth every 90 minutes.

-sean


On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion?
> On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:
>
>> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
>> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
>> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
>> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
>> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
>> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>>
>> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>>
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>>
>>>
>>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>>
>>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>>> product.
>>>
>>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>>> designs.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" >> > wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
 pulse?

 And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Bill Prince]

Except for the WAAS satellites 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System).


bp


On 8/11/2015 5:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

GPS isn't geosynchronous.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com



*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:54:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion?

On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett" > wrote:


the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving
faster in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for
relativity.  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough
information to know where the satellite is and therefore you
can't accurately calculate the relativity offset.  once you have
3D lock with 4 satellites you can accurately calculate the
relativity offset and therefore calculate the accurate time for
where you are on earth.

shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)

-Sean

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars
has been online for a half hour or more, the location should
be "set" so to speak. I would then expect them to hold time
sync even with 1 satellite in view. Knowing that the location
is static and unmoving, I would expect that maintaining time
lock would be gravy.

Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.

bp


On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to
calculate the delay. Had not considered that.  But if you
know where you are and have ephermis data, you should be
able to calculate the delay and arrive at a pretty
accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate
timing.   To have an accurate 3d position using GPS alone,
you need four satellites. Three  only gets you a 2d lock,
and less than that you don't get a lock at all.

There are receivers out there which will survey a position
and then use that position to be able to continue to
provide a timing signal if you subsequently lose lock but
still have sats in view.   As far as I know,  this type of
receiver is not in use in any commercially available
timing product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think
we've almost all ended up using the exact same GPS
modules, at least for any recently designed product.

Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the
sync signal across a GPS lock loss with various levels of
success.   For instance the cmm micro in early releases
provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even without a
lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away
from this in newer designs.

On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" mailto:d...@wyoming.com>> wrote:

What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a
proper GPS sync pulse?

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM,
SyncPipe, etc.)?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Jaime Solorza]

Deodorants and talc.
On Aug 11, 2015 5:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> :( I'm going to be in Houston in a couple weeks
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 11, 2015 7:22 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with talk
>> of "warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third tennis shoes
>> are melting it is to late.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.
>>>
>>> I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
>>> was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Mike Hammett]

GPS isn't geosynchronous. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:54:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing 


Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion? 
On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster in 
orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity. knowing 
where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where the satellite 
is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the relativity offset. once you 
have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can accurately calculate the relativity 
offset and therefore calculate the accurate time for where you are on earth. 


shoulda taken the blue pill ;-) 


-Sean 


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been online for 
a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I would then 
expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view. Knowing that the 
location is static and unmoving, I would expect that maintaining time lock 
would be gravy. 

Sadly, this does not seem to be the case. 

bp
 
On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the delay. Had 
not considered that. But if you know where you are and have ephermis data, you 
should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a pretty accurate timing 
pulse with one satellite. 




From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing 


You need an accurate 3d position to get accurate timing. To have an accurate 3d 
position using GPS alone, you need four satellites. Three only gets you a 2d 
lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all. 
There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use that 
position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you subsequently 
lose lock but still have sats in view. As far as I know, this type of receiver 
is not in use in any commercially available timing product for the cambium 
radios. In fact I think we've almost all ended up using the exact same GPS 
modules, at least for any recently designed product. 
Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal across a 
GPS lock loss with various levels of success. For instance the cmm micro in 
early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even without a lock. Same 
with early syncpipes. The CTM has a holdover timer. And so on. I think most of 
us have moved away from this in newer designs. 
On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" < d...@wyoming.com > wrote: 


What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync pulse? 

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)? 

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Steve,

Are you using them as in Beta? I am assuming they will be a good solution
but its hard to deploy tower sites and assume the client is coming soon.

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Force 200 (2.4Ghz)

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:28 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Are these 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

We're getting about the same DB Levels as the KP Performance dish. Can't
speak to SNR.

 

Steve

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:29 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200's are for real.  We have several demo
units and they ROCK ..  I don't know cost or availability but I'd wait if
possible if I were you.

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well as
the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force dish.
The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized vs the
integrated on the KP dish.

 

Craig

 

 

  _  

From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

 

I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it here
and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is great in
the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for antennas. What
are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we are considering
the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the mouting. But at 150 a
pop I am hoping for other options.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Adam Moffett]

On 8/11/2015 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the 
years.  I am going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow 
morning and I want to have a list to defuse them before the oral part 
of the proceedings start.

I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:
Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a 
doctor’s office and pharmacy once)
TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will 
work on a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

Dial up modems
Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even 
hook it up if you tell them it is VOIP).

Burglar Alarms  ditto
Wellwe can usually make alarms work.  I found a building code once 
that said any electronics required to make an alarm line work needed 8 
hours of backup power.  A POTS line has that by default since they're 
powered from the CO.  Same deal with elevator phones. Any smart alarm 
company is not going to bet on a VoIP line.  Any smart ITSP is going to 
say, "geez you really should have a POTS line for that."  Anybody with a 
tight bottom line is going to try VoIP anyway because it's cheaper.


I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results 
phoned in.

I've had people try it.  Like any other modem: if it works you're lucky.
Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an 
ATA/SIP unit.  I wonder if it would work.

Any others?

Credit card machines.  Might work, might not.
ATM.

I remember a customer with an ATM, credit card machine, and alarm system 
all on his VoIP line.  I'm sure we told him "no modems or fax machines", 
but it does not register with people that those other devices count as 
modems.  Sadly, it actually worked most of the time, but when one didn't 
work, they all didn't work.


The only other thing is I've had more anomalies with call completion 
using VoIP carriers.  I think it came down to LCR and we eliminated it 
when we said, "Just take our money and stop doing LCR."


Ohand E911.  Theoretically the end user can move the ATA without 
telling you and screw up E911.

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Wireless Admin]

Force 200 (2.4Ghz)

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:28 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Are these 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

We're getting about the same DB Levels as the KP Performance dish. Can't
speak to SNR.

 

Steve

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:29 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200's are for real.  We have several demo
units and they ROCK ..  I don't know cost or availability but I'd wait if
possible if I were you.

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well as
the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force dish.
The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized vs the
integrated on the KP dish.

 

Craig

 

 

  _  

From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

 

I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it here
and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is great in
the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for antennas. What
are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we are considering
the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the mouting. But at 150 a
pop I am hoping for other options.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Adam Moffett]

I think my pasty NY skin got sunburned walking across the street from my 
hotel to Telrad's hotel.


On 8/11/2015 7:36 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I always tell people if they want to experience Phoenix in the summer, 
stand in front of a blow-dryer.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with 
talk of "warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third 
tennis shoes are melting it is to late.


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.

I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry
heat.  It
was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Rory Conaway]

I always tell people if they want to experience Phoenix in the summer, stand in 
front of a blow-dryer.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World


That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with talk of 
"warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third tennis shoes are 
melting it is to late.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.

I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Josh Luthman]

:( I'm going to be in Houston in a couple weeks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 7:22 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with talk
> of "warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third tennis shoes
> are melting it is to late.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.
>>
>> I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
>> was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Ken Hohhof]

I wouldn’t bring up rotary dial, they will look to see if your horse and buggy 
are tied to the hitching post out front.  Might as well mention it doesn’t 
support party line.

Anyone trying to use a non-DTMF capable phone will have trouble using voicemail 
and IVR anyway.

If you really need to connect your antique phone:
http://www.dialgizmo.com/


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the years.  I am 
going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow morning and I want to have 
a list to defuse them before the oral part of the proceedings start.

I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:

Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a doctor’s office 
and pharmacy once)

TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will work on 
a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

Dial up modems

Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even hook it up 
if you tell them it is VOIP).
Burglar Alarms  ditto 

I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results phoned in.

Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an ATA/SIP unit.  
I wonder if it would work.  

Any others?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Lewis Bergman]

That dry heat line is what we sticker people in with. Like them with talk
of "warm" weather and sunshine. By the time they realize third tennis shoes
are melting it is to late.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015, 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.
>
> I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
> was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, yeah, Elevator Alarms too...

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the years.  I am 
going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow morning and I want to have 
a list to defuse them before the oral part of the proceedings start.

I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:

Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a doctor’s office 
and pharmacy once)

TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will work on 
a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

Dial up modems

Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even hook it up 
if you tell them it is VOIP).
Burglar Alarms  ditto 

I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results phoned in.

Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an ATA/SIP unit.  
I wonder if it would work.  

Any others?

[AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Chuck McCown]

I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the years.  I am 
going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow morning and I want to have 
a list to defuse them before the oral part of the proceedings start.

I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:

Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a doctor’s office 
and pharmacy once)

TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will work on 
a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

Dial up modems

Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even hook it up 
if you tell them it is VOIP).
Burglar Alarms  ditto 

I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results phoned in.

Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an ATA/SIP unit.  
I wonder if it would work.  

Any others?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Jaime Solorza]

Rancher's shower and wash
..saves time
On Aug 11, 2015 4:54 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.
>
> I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It
> was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Jaime Solorza]

Hum ? So geosynchronous is just a suggestion?
On Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>
> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>
> -Sean
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>
>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>
>>
>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>
>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>> product.
>>
>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>> designs.
>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
>>> pulse?
>>>
>>> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Texas == Bizarro World

[Adam Moffett]

Case in point:  I just got rained on in Dallas, and I'm not wet.

I also am not sure if I can believe any more stories about dry heat.  It 
was 100 degrees today and it felt pretty darn hot to me!

Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Keefe John]

i hope so!

On 8/11/2015 1:37 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I wonder if that changes when IgniteNet releases their products?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

I think they are supposed to be around $5k per Gig full duplex link. 
Right now it seems like Siklu, Bridgewave, Fastback, and perhaps 
others are all converging on a $5k per 1Gbps link market price.


*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

Do you know the price of these?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?

http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Mathew Howard]

Are these 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

> We’re getting about the same DB Levels as the KP Performance dish. Can’t
> speak to SNR.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:29 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for
> epmp 2.4/
>
>
>
> Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
> fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:
>
> Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200’s are for real.  We have several
> demo units and they ROCK ……  I don’t know cost or availability but I’d wait
> if possible if I were you.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for
> epmp 2.4/
>
>
>
> We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
> this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well
> as the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force
> dish.   The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized
> vs the integrated on the KP dish.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
> 2.4/
>
>
>
> I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it
> here and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is
> great in the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for
> antennas. What are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we
> are considering the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the
> mouting. But at 150 a pop I am hoping for other options.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] See-Through Solar Could Turn Windows, Phones Into Power Sources

[Jaime Solorza]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/energy/2015/08/150805-transparent-solar-could-turn-window-phones-into-power-generators/

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Wireless Admin]

We're getting about the same DB Levels as the KP Performance dish. Can't
speak to SNR.

 

Steve

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200's are for real.  We have several demo
units and they ROCK ..  I don't know cost or availability but I'd wait if
possible if I were you.

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well as
the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force dish.
The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized vs the
integrated on the KP dish.

 

Craig

 

 

  _  

From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

 

I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it here
and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is great in
the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for antennas. What
are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we are considering
the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the mouting. But at 150 a
pop I am hoping for other options.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Who's responsible for RMAs at Cambium?

[Nate Burke]

So If we filled out the RMA Form yesterday, you do have our information, 
and we just need to wait for a call?


Nate


On 8/11/2015 1:07 PM, Ray Savich wrote:


We have fixed the problem with RMA registrations and are responding to 
contacts as they come in. We have recovered all of the information 
that folks have entered over the last few days and our team will be 
contacting each of you shortly.


Ray

Join the Conversation

Cambium Networks Community Forum 

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Josh Luthman]

Lol they are absolutely real that's for sure.  The hardware is definitely
fantastic but I'm not sure of RF performance.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Wireless Admin  wrote:

> Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200’s are for real.  We have several
> demo units and they ROCK ……  I don’t know cost or availability but I’d wait
> if possible if I were you.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for
> epmp 2.4/
>
>
>
> We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
> this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well
> as the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force
> dish.   The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized
> vs the integrated on the KP dish.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
> 2.4/
>
>
>
> I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it
> here and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is
> great in the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for
> antennas. What are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we
> are considering the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the
> mouting. But at 150 a pop I am hoping for other options.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

[Wireless Admin]

Hold on to your shorts.  The Force 200's are for real.  We have several demo
units and they ROCK ..  I don't know cost or availability but I'd wait if
possible if I were you.

 

Steve B.

 

  _  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp
2.4/

 

We have been using KP dishes but I am not impressed with range.  Of course
this is for the integrated SM and I dont think they work probably as well as
the connectorized.  I just wish they would come out with  a 2.4 force dish.
The signal is about 5dbi better on the 5ghz force and connectorized vs the
integrated on the KP dish.

 

Craig

 

 

  _  

From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:10:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] What high gain antennas are you guys using for epmp 2.4/

 

I know 2.4 is a waist land in much of the US but we are able to use it here
and have been deploying a mix of it and 5ghz epmp. The force 110 is great in
the 5ghz but I am struggling to find a good 2.4 option for antennas. What
are you guys using for longer links on this? Right now we are considering
the rocket dishes with a epmp bracket to convert the mouting. But at 150 a
pop I am hoping for other options.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans

[Bill Prince]

Was that the phoenix he had tattooed on his cheek?

bp


On 8/11/2015 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Reminds me of a company photo we had where one of the techs was 
showing the bird. 

Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans

[Chuck McCown]

Reminds me of a company photo we had where one of the techs was showing the 
bird.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans

two employees written up for flipping off cameras we set set up to monitor a 
collection and testing procedure on treated water.  The waste water facility is 
on verge of losing permits to send treated water to Rio Grande due to possible 
e-coli contamination at UV treatment platform.   The director and manager were 
showing the inspectors how system captures in real time and records the 
procedure when they pulled a recording with the techs flipping off the cameras. 
   oops.   i know these techs and I am sure they thought is was funny. 
why not illuminate the parking area?   And install cameras in locations that 
get all angles?



Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  The good thing about putting these in is you'll find out quick which 
employees steal the most or waste the most of your time by who starts 
complaining about their right to privacy first.

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

The police use a system that offloads using WiFi when the car gets back to 
the shop.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans



I suppose I assume criminals are dumb.  Like the dealer techs that stole 
money from the car after noticing the camera was recording.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 10, 2015 9:31 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

Wireless… that can connect to the DVR inside the office?  Doesn’t do much 
good if they steal the dashcam J



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans



Why not a dash cam?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 10, 2015 9:10 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:





Was thinking about putting a small wireless camera(s) inside our work vans, 
for when they are parked overnight at the shop.  We had a break-in recently and 
the angle they came in made it hard to see any faces from our outside cameras.



I was thinking something carefully placed in the cargo are of the vans 
might be advantageous to getting a face shot.



Anybody doing this?



Was thinking of the UBNT.. 
https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-video/unifi-video-camera-micro/



It’s a little big… thought about something more stealth.  I guess motion 
activated would be appropriate also.



Paul





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Shayne Lebrun]

My understanding has always been that you need 4+ satellites to get an initial 
timing lock, but then, so long as you keep at least one, you’ll keep that 
timing lock.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

 

That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been online for 
a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I would then 
expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view. Knowing that the 
location is static and unmoving, I would expect that maintaining time lock 
would be gravy.

Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.




bp

 

On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the delay.  
Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have ephermis data, 
you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a pretty accurate 
timing pulse with one satellite.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)   

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM

To: af   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

 

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an accurate 
3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three  only gets you a 
2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all. 

There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use that 
position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you subsequently 
lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,  this type of 
receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing product for the 
cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up using the exact same 
GPS modules, at least for any recently designed product. 

Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal across a 
GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the cmm micro in 
early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even without a lock.   
Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover timer.  And so on.   I think 
most of us have moved away from this in newer designs. 

On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync pulse?

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

 

Re: [AFMUG] Defcon on NBC nightly news

[Paul Stewart]

LOL .. I still have some of these t-shirts from 2600 along with a number of 
Defon shirts in my closets ;)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2600-Hacker-T-shirt-XL-tee-Circa-1996-Very-Rare/131555737879?_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32687%26meid%3D0e96148a64ef40c285dfef14861d1493%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D131555732251

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Stump
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Defcon on NBC nightly news

 

Back in the 90s when I read about it in 2600 and wanted to go I would have 
never dreamed they'd be on NBC Nightly news... crazy.

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Was watching report.   Damn those guys are smart and dangerous





 

-- 

Joshua Stump

 

Network Administrator |   Fourway.NET | 800-733-0062

Re: [AFMUG] Defcon on NBC nightly news

[Jaime Solorza]

reporters' car doors where opened in seconds and emails read even before he
had sent them out!!!

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Joshua Stump  wrote:

> Back in the 90s when I read about it in 2600 and wanted to go I would have
> never dreamed they'd be on NBC Nightly news... crazy.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Was watching report.   Damn those guys are smart and dangerous
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Joshua Stump
>
> Network Administrator | Fourway.NET | 800-733-0062
>

Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans

[Jaime Solorza]

two employees written up for flipping off cameras we set set up to monitor
a collection and testing procedure on treated water.  The waste water
facility is on verge of losing permits to send treated water to Rio Grande
due to possible e-coli contamination at UV treatment platform.   The
director and manager were showing the inspectors how system captures in
real time and records the procedure when they pulled a recording with the
techs flipping off the cameras.oops.   i know these techs and I am sure
they thought is was funny.
why not illuminate the parking area?   And install cameras in locations
that get all angles?


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:03 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The good thing about putting these in is you'll find out quick which
> employees steal the most or waste the most of your time by who starts
> complaining about their right to privacy first.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> The police use a system that offloads using WiFi when the car gets back
>> to the shop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 6:36 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose I assume criminals are dumb.  Like the dealer techs that stole
>> money from the car after noticing the camera was recording.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2015 9:31 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>> Wireless… that can connect to the DVR inside the office?  Doesn’t do much
>> good if they steal the dashcam J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 9:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] small wireless cameras to place in work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not a dash cam?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2015 9:10 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Was thinking about putting a small wireless camera(s) inside our work
>> vans, for when they are parked overnight at the shop.  We had a break-in
>> recently and the angle they came in made it hard to see any faces from our
>> outside cameras.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking something carefully placed in the cargo are of the vans
>> might be advantageous to getting a face shot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody doing this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Was thinking of the UBNT..
>> https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-video/unifi-video-camera-micro/
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s a little big… thought about something more stealth.  I guess motion
>> activated would be appropriate also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Defcon on NBC nightly news

[Joshua Stump]

Back in the 90s when I read about it in 2600 and wanted to go I would have
never dreamed they'd be on NBC Nightly news... crazy.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Was watching report.   Damn those guys are smart and dangerous
>



-- 
Joshua Stump

Network Administrator | Fourway.NET | 800-733-0062

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Josh Luthman]

+1 relativity


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> It's all relative man
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Actually, everything is orbiting the sun at about the same speed, but
>> we're digressing...
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 11:25 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
>> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
>> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
>> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
>> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
>> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>>
>> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>>
>>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>>
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>>
>>>
>>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>>
>>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>>> product.
>>>
>>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>>> designs.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>>>
 What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
 pulse?

 And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Sean Heskett]

It's all relative man



On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Actually, everything is orbiting the sun at about the same speed, but
> we're digressing...
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 11:25 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
> in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
>  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
> the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
> relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
> accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
> accurate time for where you are on earth.
>
> shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)
>
> -Sean
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
>
>> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
>> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
>> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
>> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
>> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>>
>> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
>> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
>> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
>> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>
>>
>> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
>> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
>> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>>
>> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
>> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
>> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
>> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
>> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
>> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
>> product.
>>
>> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
>> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
>> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
>> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
>> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
>> designs.
>> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" <
>> d...@wyoming.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
>>> pulse?
>>>
>>> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Rory Conaway]

I wonder if that changes when IgniteNet releases their products?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

I think they are supposed to be around $5k per Gig full duplex link. Right now 
it seems like Siklu, Bridgewave, Fastback, and perhaps others are all 
converging on a $5k per 1Gbps link market price.
Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

Do you know the price of these?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?

http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/
Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Bill Prince]

Actually, everything is orbiting the sun at about the same speed, but 
we're digressing...


bp


On 8/11/2015 11:25 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving 
faster in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for 
relativity.  knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information 
to know where the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately 
calculate the relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 
satellites you can accurately calculate the relativity offset and 
therefore calculate the accurate time for where you are on earth.


shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)

-Sean

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has
been online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set"
so to speak. I would then expect them to hold time sync even with
1 satellite in view. Knowing that the location is static and
unmoving, I would expect that maintaining time lock would be gravy.

Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.

bp


On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate
the delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you
are and have ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the
delay and arrive at a pretty accurate timing pulse with one
satellite.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To
have an accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four
satellites.  Three  only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that
you don't get a lock at all.

There are receivers out there which will survey a position and
then use that position to be able to continue to provide a timing
signal if you subsequently lose lock but still have sats in
view.   As far as I know,  this type of receiver is not in use in
any commercially available timing product for the cambium
radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up using the
exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed product.

Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync
signal across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.  
For instance the cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly

incorrect sync pulse even without a lock.   Same with early
syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover timer.  And so on.   I think
most of us have moved away from this in newer designs.

On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" mailto:d...@wyoming.com>> wrote:

What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper
GPS sync pulse?

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Sean Heskett]

the satellites are constantly moving tho and since they are moving faster
in orbit than we are here on earth you need to account for relativity.
 knowing where you are doesn't give you enough information to know where
the satellite is and therefore you can't accurately calculate the
relativity offset.  once you have 3D lock with 4 satellites you can
accurately calculate the relativity offset and therefore calculate the
accurate time for where you are on earth.

shoulda taken the blue pill ;-)

-Sean

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been
> online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to speak. I
> would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite in view.
> Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would expect that
> maintaining time lock would be gravy.
>
> Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>
>
> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>
> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
> product.
>
> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
> designs.
> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>
>> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
>> pulse?
>>
>> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Peter Kranz]

I think they are supposed to be around $5k per Gig full duplex link. Right
now it seems like Siklu, Bridgewave, Fastback, and perhaps others are all
converging on a $5k per 1Gbps link market price.

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

 

Do you know the price of these?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

 

Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?

 

http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Who's responsible for RMAs at Cambium?

[Josh Luthman]

I did get a call yesterday and a case was opened to RMA it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 2:07 PM, "Ray Savich" 
wrote:

> We have fixed the problem with RMA registrations and are responding to
> contacts as they come in. We have recovered all of the information that
> folks have entered over the last few days and our team will be contacting
> each of you shortly.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who's responsible for RMAs at Cambium?

[Ray Savich]

We have fixed the problem with RMA registrations and are responding to contacts 
as they come in. We have recovered all of the information that folks have 
entered over the last few days and our team will be contacting each of you 
shortly.

Ray

Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jaime Solorza]

Gabriel antennas
On Aug 11, 2015 10:40 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
> subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
> pol dish for 2.4 GHz?
>
> *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
>
> 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
> will do too much more damage at this point.
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
> *E.F.A. Project* , and is believed to be
> clean.
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Bill Prince]

That's what I thought too. Once one of these little beggars has been 
online for a half hour or more, the location should be "set" so to 
speak. I would then expect them to hold time sync even with 1 satellite 
in view. Knowing that the location is static and unmoving, I would 
expect that maintaining time lock would be gravy.


Sadly, this does not seem to be the case.

bp


On 8/11/2015 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the 
delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and 
have ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and 
arrive at a pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.

*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an 
accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  
Three  only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a 
lock at all.


There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then 
use that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if 
you subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I 
know,  this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially 
available timing product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think 
we've almost all ended up using the exact same GPS modules, at least 
for any recently designed product.


Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal 
across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance 
the cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse 
even without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a 
holdover timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from 
this in newer designs.


On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann" > wrote:


What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS
sync pulse?

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Jaime Solorza]

Mounting kit looks familiar.  Their other 5Ghz stuff was pricey
On Aug 11, 2015 11:52 AM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:

> Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?
>
>
>
> http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Sean Heskett]

knowing where you are also involves knowing when you are ;-)



On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the
> delay.  Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have
> ephermis data, you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a
> pretty accurate timing pulse with one satellite.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>
>
> You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
> accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
> only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.
>
> There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
> that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
> subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
> this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
> product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
> using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
> product.
>
> Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
> across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
> cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
> without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
> timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
> designs.
> On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>
>> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
>> pulse?
>>
>> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Rory Conaway]

Do you know the price of these?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?

http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/
Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Bill Prince]

Go by the F/B ratio. Makes a huge difference.

bp


On 8/11/2015 9:34 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

A followup question before ordering...

The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements 
and has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 
17 dBi antenna.


Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium 
before the RF Elements unit?





On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg > wrote:


Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band
antennas and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

2.4ghz or 5ghz?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head
mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>>
wrote:

My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.


On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


The Cambium OEM is RF elements.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think it's the same rough design with the RF
Elements ones being slightly "better".



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com





*From: *"Chuck Hogg" mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class
Sector" with ePMP?

I think those are the ePMP sectors?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:

I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class"
5GHz 17dBi and 2.4 GHz 14dBi sectors.

Any positive experience with these? I need some
relatively small sectors (in the <2' height
range). I like the visual simplicity and low cost
of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I
wonder if their new versions perform
significantly better.

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Robbie Wright]

Yeah, that's how I lean. Lots of peering.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> For hosting companies or content providers I can see some advantages.. for
> ISP’s I only see limited advantages …
>
>
>
> My answer to this is much easier … more peering J Assuming the peering is
> optimized and has the capacity on both sides too
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robbie Wright
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
>
>
> Correct, but the have an inbound version in the works as well. Supposed to
> be Q2 of this year...
>
>
>
>
> Robbie Wright
>
> Siuslaw Broadband 
>
> 541-902-5101
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Noction is among those that only affect outbound.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Robbie Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:35:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
> http://www.noction.com/
>
>
>
> We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.
>
>
>
>
> Robbie Wright
>
> Siuslaw Broadband 
>
> 541-902-5101
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand
> vs having some automation take over …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
>
>
> Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to
> optimize the BGP connections in/out of your network?
>
>
>
> With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up
> on the concept now
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Fastback liberator E1000e

[Peter Kranz]

Anyone have any experience with these radios yet?

 

http://www.fastbacknetworks.com/liberator-e1000e/

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Paul Stewart]

For hosting companies or content providers I can see some advantages.. for 
ISP’s I only see limited advantages … 

 

My answer to this is much easier … more peering :) Assuming the peering is 
optimized and has the capacity on both sides too 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Wright
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

 

Correct, but the have an inbound version in the works as well. Supposed to be 
Q2 of this year...




 

Robbie Wright

Siuslaw Broadband  

541-902-5101

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Noction is among those that only affect outbound.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  
 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

   
  
 


  _  


From: "Robbie Wright" mailto:rob...@siuslawbroadband.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:35:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

http://www.noction.com/

 

We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.




 

Robbie Wright

Siuslaw Broadband  

541-902-5101  

 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand vs 
having some automation take over … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

 

Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network?

 

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up on 
the concept now

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800   office

772-473-0352   cell

www.pdmnet.com  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Chuck McCown]

Interesting, I guess you need to know where you are to calculate the delay.  
Had not considered that.  But if you know where you are and have ephermis data, 
you should be able to calculate the delay and arrive at a pretty accurate 
timing pulse with one satellite.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an accurate 
3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three  only gets you a 
2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all. 

There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use that 
position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you subsequently 
lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,  this type of 
receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing product for the 
cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up using the exact same 
GPS modules, at least for any recently designed product. 

Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal across a 
GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the cmm micro in 
early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even without a lock.   
Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover timer.  And so on.   I think 
most of us have moved away from this in newer designs. 

On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

  What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync pulse?

  And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't tried the Ti or AC, but the originals are not great...

But you can get a spiffy adapter from rf elements to snap an ePMP right in.
On Aug 11, 2015 11:49 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> The original and Ti.  I haven't tried the AC nor anything else they may
> have (IIRC they have 3 generations of sectors?)
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> They have several different ones. Which ones aren't you pleased with?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:46:28 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>>
>> Not really pleased with Ubnt sectors.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36:27 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't.  You're welcome to, though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A followup question before ordering...

 The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements
 and has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17
 dBi antenna.

 Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium
 before the RF Elements unit?




 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band
> antennas and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head <
>> li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> The Cambium OEM is RF elements.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
 slightly "better".



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 
 
 
 --
 *From: *"Chuck Hogg" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with
 ePMP?

 I think those are the ePMP sectors?

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4
> GHz 14dBi sectors.
>
> Any positive experience with these? I 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

You need an accurate  3d position to get accurate timing.   To have an
accurate 3d position using GPS alone, you need four satellites.  Three
only gets you a 2d lock, and less than that you don't get a lock at all.

There are receivers out there which will survey a position and then use
that position to be able to continue to provide a timing signal if you
subsequently lose lock but still have sats in view.   As far as I know,
this type of receiver is not in use in any commercially available timing
product for the cambium radios.  In fact I think we've almost all ended up
using the exact same GPS modules, at least for any recently designed
product.

Some of the earlier products would attempt to preserve the sync signal
across a GPS lock loss with various levels of success.   For instance the
cmm micro in early releases provided a wildly incorrect sync pulse even
without a lock.   Same with early syncpipes.  The CTM has a holdover
timer.  And so on.   I think most of us have moved away from this in newer
designs.
On Aug 11, 2015 8:36 AM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
> pulse?
>
> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Glen Waldrop]

It can probably cook popcorn at 15 feet.

Only one kernel at a time, but...



From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

They are on the boat ;)  Can fit 1 per boat so it may be a while...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  When can I get a beta unit?

  FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.  Just 
scale it up to 12 feet.


  From: Ben Moore 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, 
subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol 
dish for 2.4 GHz?

From: r...@rjr-services.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will 
do too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Josh Luthman  wrote:


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by 
E.F.A. Project, and is believed to be clean. 

Re: [AFMUG] outbound spam filtering company

[Graham McMillan]

I've used Mailchannels at several different companies, with one installation 
that does over 60 million outbound emails per month. I've run my own mail 
relays and know the pain of trying to prevent a few bad apples from ruining 
your sending reputation for the good senders. After using Mailchannels I don't 
think I'll ever waste time running my own outbound relays anymore. The amount 
of work required is not worth it anymore and I'd rather be spending time on 
other things.

The best part of Mailchannels is that it segments reputation by the individual 
sender email/domain instead of by IP/server. So one bad sender won't affect 
mail delivery for another sender that is sending legitimate mail. I don't know 
all of the behind-the-scenes technical details, but my understanding is that 
they segment relays so you get a different pool of IPs based on your historical 
reputation; good senders will get the A+ relays and questionable senders with 
frequent complaints will be pooled with other bad actors until proven 
otherwise. They also have access to a lot of aggregated data about spammers and 
patterns that I'm sure helps them stop malicious behavior quicker than 
something you'd be running yourself.

On top of that, they've put a lot of work into creating some solid reporting 
and web based tools to get more visibility into where mail is coming from and 
what might need closer inspection.

If you want to chat more about it, feel free to drop me an email. I'll be the 
first to say that I was skeptical about outsourcing this part of our 
infrastructure, but now that I've been using it for over a year in several 
different capacities, I regret not switching earlier given the time wasted 
running relays, rotating IPs, pleading with blacklisting companies to remove 
us, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

They are on the boat ;)  Can fit 1 per boat so it may be a while...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When can I get a beta unit?
>
> FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.
> Just scale it up to 12 feet.
>
>
> *From:* Ben Moore 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
>
> We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
>> subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
>> pol dish for 2.4 GHz?
>>
>> *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
>>
>> 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
>> will do too much more damage at this point.
>>
>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
>> *E.F.A. Project* , and is believed to be
>> clean.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

When can I get a beta unit?

FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.  Just 
scale it up to 12 feet.


From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, 
subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol 
dish for 2.4 GHz?

  From: r...@rjr-services.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will 
do too much more damage at this point.

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


  Josh Luthman  wrote:


  -- 
  This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by 
  E.F.A. Project, and is believed to be clean. 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
> subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
> pol dish for 2.4 GHz?
>
> *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
>
> 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
> will do too much more damage at this point.
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
> *E.F.A. Project* , and is believed to be
> clean.
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

The original and Ti.  I haven't tried the AC nor anything else they may
have (IIRC they have 3 generations of sectors?)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> They have several different ones. Which ones aren't you pleased with?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:46:28 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>
> Not really pleased with Ubnt sectors.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36:27 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>>
>> I wouldn't.  You're welcome to, though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A followup question before ordering...
>>>
>>> The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements
>>> and has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17
>>> dBi antenna.
>>>
>>> Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium
>>> before the RF Elements unit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas
 and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head  > wrote:
>
>> My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> The Cambium OEM is RF elements.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
>>> slightly "better".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>>>
>>> I think those are the ePMP sectors?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4
 GHz 14dBi sectors.

 Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small
 sectors (in the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low
 cost of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new
 versions perform significantly better.

 -Chris

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Do you have a parts list you would care to share?
I assume Illinois sunshine is not as good as utah sunshine though

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, the panels are guaranteed to be producing 80% of their rated output
> in 20 years from now.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
> Dont solar panels have a gradual decline in output?
> I assume there really arent any moving parts in this system to maintain,
> but are there any components like capacitors or anything that may fail over
> time?
>
> If my math is right thats around 900 square feet of panel?
>
> That is really cool at 4 years with little maintenance if you have the sun
> and space, 10k is not all that great an investment for a home energy
> solution, people sink more than that into a bathroom just to have a nice
> place to drop a deuce.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I built it myself so that cost is for the parts.  I hope there is no
>> maintenance.
>> Generally you get about 11 watts per square foot for polycrystaline
>> panels.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:50 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>
>> how large of a footprint and a rough weight on the array?
>> What do you foresee for maintenance costs over the long term?
>>
>> For your costs, was this the overall project cost including any part
>> changes, or is the final cost just the installed components?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.
>>>
>>> No batteries.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 kW
>>>
>>> It saved me about 70%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How many panels? What percentage savings is that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
>>> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
>>> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Mike Hammett]

They have several different ones. Which ones aren't you pleased with? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:46:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP? 


Not really pleased with Ubnt sectors. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36:27 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP? 


I wouldn't. You're welcome to, though. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > 
wrote: 



A followup question before ordering... 


The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements and has 
similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17 dBi antenna. 


Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium before the 
RF Elements unit? 










On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg < ch...@shelbybb.com > wrote: 



Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas and the 
horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned... 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



2.4ghz or 5ghz? 





On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head < li...@blountbroadband.com > 
wrote: 




My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them. 



On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 





The Cambium OEM is RF elements. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being slightly 
"better". 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Chuck Hogg" < ch...@shelbybb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP? 


I think those are the ePMP sectors? 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray < cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
> wrote: 



I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4 GHz 14dBi 
sectors. 


Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small sectors (in 
the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low cost of the older 
RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new versions perform 
significantly better. 


-Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

Not really pleased with Ubnt sectors.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Why?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36:27 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>
> I wouldn't.  You're welcome to, though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
>> A followup question before ordering...
>>
>> The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements
>> and has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17
>> dBi antenna.
>>
>> Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium
>> before the RF Elements unit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas
>>> and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head 
 wrote:

> My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.
>
>
> On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> The Cambium OEM is RF elements.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
>> slightly "better".
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>>
>> I think those are the ePMP sectors?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4
>>> GHz 14dBi sectors.
>>>
>>> Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small
>>> sectors (in the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low
>>> cost of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new
>>> versions perform significantly better.
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Mike Hammett]

Why? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP? 


I wouldn't. You're welcome to, though. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > 
wrote: 



A followup question before ordering... 


The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements and has 
similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17 dBi antenna. 


Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium before the 
RF Elements unit? 










On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg < ch...@shelbybb.com > wrote: 



Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas and the 
horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned... 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



2.4ghz or 5ghz? 





On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head < li...@blountbroadband.com > 
wrote: 




My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them. 



On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 





The Cambium OEM is RF elements. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being slightly 
"better". 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Chuck Hogg" < ch...@shelbybb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP? 


I think those are the ePMP sectors? 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray < cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
> wrote: 



I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4 GHz 14dBi 
sectors. 


Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small sectors (in 
the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low cost of the older 
RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new versions perform 
significantly better. 


-Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, subject 
to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol dish 
for 2.4 GHz?

From: r...@rjr-services.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will do 
too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Josh Luthman  wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, the panels are guaranteed to be producing 80% of their rated output in 20 
years from now.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

Dont solar panels have a gradual decline in output? 
I assume there really arent any moving parts in this system to maintain, but 
are there any components like capacitors or anything that may fail over time?

If my math is right thats around 900 square feet of panel?

That is really cool at 4 years with little maintenance if you have the sun and 
space, 10k is not all that great an investment for a home energy solution, 
people sink more than that into a bathroom just to have a nice place to drop a 
deuce. 



On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I built it myself so that cost is for the parts.  I hope there is no 
maintenance.
  Generally you get about 11 watts per square foot for polycrystaline panels.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:50 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

  how large of a footprint and a rough weight on the array? 
  What do you foresee for maintenance costs over the long term?

  For your costs, was this the overall project cost including any part changes, 
or is the final cost just the installed components?

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.  

No batteries.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  10 kW

  It saved me about 70%.



  From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



  How many panels? What percentage savings is that?



  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar 
array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a payback of 
slightly more than 4 years.  







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

I wouldn't.  You're welcome to, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 12:34 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> A followup question before ordering...
>
> The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements and
> has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17 dBi
> antenna.
>
> Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium
> before the RF Elements unit?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas
>> and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.


 On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 The Cambium OEM is RF elements.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
> slightly "better".
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?
>
> I think those are the ePMP sectors?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4
>> GHz 14dBi sectors.
>>
>> Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small
>> sectors (in the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low
>> cost of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new
>> versions perform significantly better.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

[Christopher Gray]

A followup question before ordering...

The UBNT Titanium AM-M-V5G-Ti antenna fits my dimensional requirements and
has similar specifications to the RF Elements Carrier Class 5 GHz 17 dBi
antenna.

Although it is more expensive, should I consider trying the Titanium before
the RF Elements unit?




On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Whatever you do, don't go the ITElite route with the dual band antennas
> and the horrible F/B as Mathew Howard mentioned...
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jerry Head 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Cambium ePMP sectors say "Mars Antenna" on them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/10/2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> The Cambium OEM is RF elements.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 10, 2015 11:24 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I think it's the same rough design with the RF Elements ones being
 slightly "better".



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 
 
 
 --
 *From: *"Chuck Hogg" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 10:19:46 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements "Carrier Class Sector" with ePMP?

 I think those are the ePMP sectors?

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I'm considering the RF Elements "Carrier Class" 5GHz 17dBi and 2.4 GHz
> 14dBi sectors.
>
> Any positive experience with these? I need some relatively small
> sectors (in the <2' height range). I like the visual simplicity and low
> cost of the older RF Elements "MiMo Sectors" but I wonder if their new
> versions perform significantly better.
>
> -Chris
>



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Lewis Bergman]

Except if the panels were made in Chine, which they probably were, in which
case mother Earth is screaming because of all the pollutants the plant
dumped in the river behind the factory since the Chinese don't seem to care
about their descendants cancer rates.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Cool!  Mother Earth thanks you
> On Aug 11, 2015 8:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
>> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
>> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>>
>


-- 
Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Dont solar panels have a gradual decline in output?
I assume there really arent any moving parts in this system to maintain,
but are there any components like capacitors or anything that may fail over
time?

If my math is right thats around 900 square feet of panel?

That is really cool at 4 years with little maintenance if you have the sun
and space, 10k is not all that great an investment for a home energy
solution, people sink more than that into a bathroom just to have a nice
place to drop a deuce.



On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I built it myself so that cost is for the parts.  I hope there is no
> maintenance.
> Generally you get about 11 watts per square foot for polycrystaline
> panels.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
> how large of a footprint and a rough weight on the array?
> What do you foresee for maintenance costs over the long term?
>
> For your costs, was this the overall project cost including any part
> changes, or is the final cost just the installed components?
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>
>>
>>
>> 10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.
>>
>> No batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>
>>
>>
>> So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> 10 kW
>>
>> It saved me about 70%.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>
>>
>>
>> How many panels? What percentage savings is that?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
>> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
>> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Robbie Wright]

Correct, but the have an inbound version in the works as well. Supposed to
be Q2 of this year...


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Noction is among those that only affect outbound.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Robbie Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:35:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
> http://www.noction.com/
>
> We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.
>
>
> Robbie Wright
> Siuslaw Broadband 
> 541-902-5101
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by
>> hand vs having some automation take over …
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to
>> optimize the BGP connections in/out of your network?
>>
>>
>>
>> With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up
>> on the concept now
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Robbie Wright]

Agreed, our ISP isn't either, but a different business is. Killer stuff,
just spendy for smaller guys. Internap makes some similar things as well,
but I've personally experienced them and been very unhappy.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I don’t think we are at the scale where that would justify the cost
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robbie Wright
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
>
>
> http://www.noction.com/
>
>
>
> We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.
>
>
>
>
> Robbie Wright
>
> Siuslaw Broadband 
>
> 541-902-5101
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand
> vs having some automation take over …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
>
>
> Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to
> optimize the BGP connections in/out of your network?
>
>
>
> With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up
> on the concept now
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[ron]

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will do 
too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Josh Luthman  wrote:



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Re: [AFMUG] 477 forms

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly. As close to max modulation as you can get. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:32:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 forms 




I guess my point is that I start from an RF model and prune it. If someone is 
expecting to see me advertise lower speeds in areas farther from the tower, I 
just don’t advertise those areas, but will consider them on a case-by-case 
basis. So if some government know-it-all big-data-guy thinks he can challenge 
my coverage because it isn’t physically possible to deliver the same speed at 8 
miles as at 1 mile, bring it on. 

If nothing else, the 1 mile guy gets a bare SM, the 3 mile guy gets a CLIP, the 
8 mile guy gets a dish. DSL does not have a comparable approach. But even at 8 
miles, I want the installer to get 6X or 8X modulation, so the service is 
reliable, and to avoid 1X/2X customers using too much of the shared AP 
capacity. 

I do have customers at 11+ miles, but they are straight down the center of a 
sector, in areas without much interference, or where we are shooting over a 
tree line that prevents multipath. In those cases I also usually have a Plan B 
where we could put a repeater if conditions change and we need to get closer to 
the customer. 

I realize other WISPs may operate differently and determine their covered 
blocks differently. But I choose to be conservative about the coverage data. My 
deployment data shows customers in tracts that are in blocks where supposedly I 
don’t have service. If someone wants to challenge my coverage because it 
doesn’t match their DSL-centric view of the world, they are going to be proved 
wrong. And if they want to challenge my tracts where I claim to have customers 
where I don’t advertise service, that’s easily explained as well. It’s known as 
“underpromise and overdeliver”. Probably a foreign concept to politicians, I 
don’t know about bureaucrats. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 forms 


So then change the minimum graphed signal. I have colors for -50 to -80 in 10 
dB increments. You can model anything you want. Well, in Radio Mobile. I don't 
necessarily install customers at -80 (sometimes), but it helps to know what 
areas could use improved coverage. 


If you're Frontier, you also only deliver 1/2 megabit. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:37:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 forms 




Just my personal view, I don’t like the approach of running an RF modeling 
program and getting this convoluted coverage map that shows splotches 25 miles 
away where I can supposedly offer QPSK based speeds. That’s not how most WISPs 
operate. We want at least 10 dB margin so we aren’t constantly doing service 
calls for poor service due to signal fading or interference. And we want links 
to operate at the max or second modulation, so a handful of subscribers don’t 
suck all the capacity out of the AP. And if RF models say that max AP->SM speed 
is X Mbps, we don’t sell X Mbps service because this is shared capacity, we 
sell some fraction of X. And we want to advertise one set of speeds to our 
entire coverage area, rather than saying you are 10 miles from the tower so I 
can only sell you our lowest speed. And we get pretty creative about solving 
LOS problems within our coverage area, an RF modeling program might say a 
customer can’t get service, but what if he has a 50 ft TV tower or we relay off 
his grain bin or he sets a utility pole by the road. 

So our coverage maps are going to be more like circles or cloverleafs. We 
consider requests for service outside the stated coverage on a case-by-case 
basis. If someone is going to question why our speeds aren’t a wedding cake 
with lower speeds near the edge, it’s because we already eliminated the areas 
where we can’t offer the top speed. Trying to serve those far out customers 
with –80 signals that can associate at the lowest modulation, in the end that 
doesn’t work out so good. Maybe 10 years ago when people didn’t expect 
consistent, reliable Internet service and were happy if it just worked most of 
the time. 

DSL is different, each copper pair is a home run to one customer. If the modem 
can run at 6 Mbps, that customer can get 6 Mbps, because it isn’t shared. If 
the modem can only run at 1 Mbps, that customer can only get 1 Mbps. Of course, 
if you’re Frontier, you lump it all together as “up to 6 Mbps for $19.99”. 





From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:57 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 forms 



Remember not

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Mike Hammett]

Noction is among those that only affect outbound. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Robbie Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:35:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 


http://www.noction.com/ 



We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC. 








Robbie Wright 
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101 

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 





I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand vs 
having some automation take over … 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 



Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network? 

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept. Just reading up on the 
concept now 

Paul McCall, Pres. 
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 office 
772-473-0352 cell 
www.pdmnet.com 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Mike Hammett]

What I've found is that most of them only affect outbound traffic and not 
actually inbound via BGP advertisements. That's a huge market waiting to be 
tapped. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:25:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions 



Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network? 

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept. Just reading up on the 
concept now 

Paul McCall, Pres. 
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 office 
772-473-0352 cell 
www.pdmnet.com 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Paul McCall]

I don’t think we are at the scale where that would justify the cost

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Wright
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

http://www.noction.com/

We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband
541-902-5101

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand vs 
having some automation take over …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network?

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up on 
the concept now

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Chuck McCown]

I built it myself so that cost is for the parts.  I hope there is no 
maintenance.
Generally you get about 11 watts per square foot for polycrystaline panels.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

how large of a footprint and a rough weight on the array? 
What do you foresee for maintenance costs over the long term?

For your costs, was this the overall project cost including any part changes, 
or is the final cost just the installed components?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

  Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



  10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.  

  No batteries.  



  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



  So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

10 kW

It saved me about 70%.



From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback



How many panels? What percentage savings is that?



On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar 
array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a payback of 
slightly more than 4 years.  







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

how large of a footprint and a rough weight on the array?
What do you foresee for maintenance costs over the long term?

For your costs, was this the overall project cost including any part
changes, or is the final cost just the installed components?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
>
>
> 10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.
>
> No batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
>
>
> So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> 10 kW
>
> It saved me about 70%.
>
>
>
> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
>
>
> How many panels? What percentage savings is that?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: CRM tools

[Jaime Solorza]

We used Zen at district for IT and maintenance work orders.   Easy to use
On Aug 11, 2015 8:40 AM, "Simon Westlake" 
wrote:

> I preferred ZenDesk over Smartertrack, but wasn't directly my choice ;) I
> think it's a nice product, I didn't look at the ecommerce stuff, but sounds
> like it'd be a value add.
>
> On 8/11/2015 1:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> The thing that is attracting me to zendesk is the integration with our
> ecommerce platform just turn it up and it works.
>
> A lot of the others seem to do ticketing well, just nothing else...
>
> Right now I think I'm still looking at ZenDesk and odoo, and if neither of
> those seem to be a fit, I'll either stick with where I am
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Simon Westlake <
> simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com> wrote:
>
>> I have not seen a good, cheap one. For ticketing, I've used a lot of
>> things starting from super expensive Remedy ticketing (way overkill) to
>> free, like RT (too complicated for most people, IMO.)
>>
>> ZenDesk is good, I used SmarterTrack for a while at Powercode and it
>> worked pretty well for what we needed. I think you're probably better off
>> just slotting a separate inventory system in alongside it, but the lack of
>> customer integration is painful. However, if they both have an API, this is
>> probably something you can reasonably easily find a part time dev to tie
>> together and not have to worry about again for a while.
>>
>> On 8/10/2015 8:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> When you find one, let me know.  I have always hated most of my ERP
>> programs.  I currently use JobShop and it is a very complex PITA.  I tried
>> the MRP that is built into Quick Books for a time years ago, it was lacking
>> features.  I used to use EZMRP and liked it but they sold to a company that
>> started dinging me for huge annual fees for maint.  It did work well with
>> crystal reports though.  I think that was called alliance.
>>
>> Be nice if there was a mini SAP or something affordable out there.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 3:19 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Somewhat OT: CRM tools
>>
>> Hoping someone knows something about CRM tools:
>>
>> It's time for PacketFlux to change it's CRM/ticketing/etc system.  The
>> catalyst tonight was me finding (yet again) a ticket which the @(#$*
>> ticketing system didn't bring to the active list which a customer has been
>> begging for help on for a while.   It was setting there in the 'customer
>> pending' pile, way down on the list, even though the customer has been
>> responding to it forever.   I guess that's better than the previous system
>> which would lose emails/responses altogether - but only marginally.
>>
>> I really would like something which was well-integrated and handles
>> things like RMA tracking and the like.  I'm thinking of something like
>> ZenDesk, which looks really good, but seems weak in RMAs and similar.   I'd
>> love to find an integrated CRM+ERP+ecommerce system which is easy to use,
>> but I about fainted when I saw the price for netsuite for instance.
>>
>> Any place I should look?
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Sterling Jacobson]

Get a couple of Tesla batteries and your setup will be complete!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.
No batteries.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback


So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
10 kW
It saved me about 70%.

From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

How many panels? What percentage savings is that?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar array.  It 
saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a payback of slightly 
more than 4 years.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Josh Luthman]

That's sweet!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 11:39 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> 10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.
> No batteries.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
>
> So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> 10 kW
>> It saved me about 70%.
>>
>> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>>
>> How many panels? What percentage savings is that?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
>>> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
>>> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Chuck McCown]

10kW but yes about $10K for the whole system, grid tie inverter etc.  
No batteries.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  10 kW
  It saved me about 70%.

  From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

  How many panels? What percentage savings is that?

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar array.  
It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a payback of 
slightly more than 4 years.  

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/11/15 08:36, Josh Luthman wrote:

So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?




If you're net metering you wouldn't want to waste it charging batteries.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Josh Luthman]

I thought it was 3 tracked as well.  Maybe 4.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 11:06 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That's what I would think too. However, we lose sync on a sync pipe/sync
> injector when it goes below 3. Don't know about other platforms.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/11/2015 7:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I don't know for certain, but I would think one satellite could do it for
>> timing alone.  Two for sure.  Three will give you a 2D fix and 4 will give
>> you a 3D fix.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS Timing
>>
>> What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync
>> pulse?
>>
>> And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback

[Josh Luthman]

So you spent 10k on panels?  What about batteries?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> 10 kW
> It saved me about 70%.
>
> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
>
> How many panels? What percentage savings is that?
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just completed my first full 12 months on my net metered home solar
>> array.  It saved me 2269.00 over the preceding 12 months.  That is a
>> payback of slightly more than 4 years.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Robbie Wright]

http://www.noction.com/

We trialed it and it was awesome. Under $2k a month IIRC.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> I’ve heard mixed things … something that personally I prefer to do by hand
> vs having some automation take over …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
>
>
>
> Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to
> optimize the BGP connections in/out of your network?
>
>
>
> With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up
> on the concept now
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Paul McCall]

Evaluating the concept, or I need to find a great consultant to educate me :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

I've heard mixed things ... something that personally I prefer to do by hand vs 
having some automation take over ...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network?

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up on 
the concept now

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Paul Stewart]

I've heard mixed things . something that personally I prefer to do by hand
vs having some automation take over . 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

 

Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to
optimize the BGP connections in/out of your network?

 

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up on
the concept now

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

 

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina SNMP

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Is there a way to leave SNMP open to 0.0.0.0/0 ? I can add multiple SNMP
hosts, but the source ip of the query could change
Defaultly they dont respond until you add snmp hosts
Our radios are all on non public IP space and im absolutely not concerned
about it if someone on our network figures out how to run a read only query

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions

[Paul McCall]

Is anyone using any automated functionality, software or appliance to optimize 
the BGP connections in/out of your network?

With disparate pipe sizes, it is an interesting concept.  Just reading up on 
the concept now

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'The Universe is slowly dying, ' study shows - CNN.com

[Bill Prince]

It's been going on for ~~ 13.8 billion years. Forecast is that it will 
take a couple trillion years for the process to complete. The good news 
is that the earth will be engulfed and incinerated by the sun in about 3 
billion years, so we won't have to worry about the end of the universe.


bp


On 8/11/2015 7:22 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Hasn't this been the case since it began? Isn't the natural order of 
thins a state of decay?


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Wonder if I have time to start my diet?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/universe-dying/index.html