Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)]

" I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know"

I would :-)



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, 26 April 2016 5:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

*grabs a bucket of popcorn*

I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:
> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out We like em for small loads
>
>
> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> already have that, looking for more poe out.
> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Luthman
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>
> Rb2011
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
>> would be good, 10 would be great.
>> whats out there?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed spectrum for utility companies

[Jerry Head]

Second paragraph under "substantial service"
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/attachments/attachmentViewRD.jsp;ATTACHMENTS=c3vsXfYWpfTN7PLvH3DjhTjW1PxLsxh4QWNht2Qr19RQSDrnZp7K!69931718!-248951168?applType=search&fileKey=1971335529&attachmentKey=18622404&attachmentInd=applAttach

On 4/25/2016 4:55 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
Are you sure those are PTMP (multiple transmitters)? I know a lot of 
utilities will use licensed mid-band 900 MHz for 2-way 
console-to-controller or controller-to-controller audio links (older 
systems), but I was thinking all the PTMP systems (where each node is 
a transmitter) was all unlicensed, like for meter reading.


*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 4/25/16 3:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Then why am I finding utility companies in WA and OR with 900 MHz 
licensed stuff in the FCC ULS?




On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


There isn't a band allocated to them in the US.  I think Canada's
IC did.

If they really want a licensed band you might look in to 2.5 or
3.5.  There may be additional options.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
wrote:

can anyone point me in the direction of what licensed
spectrum is available and how to obtain the spectrum for
electrical and water utility companies that want to do
advanced metering.

our local co-op is about to deploy a 900Mhz system and they
stated that they couldn't get any licensed spectrum.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciate!

Thanks,
Sean

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[David]

Ya know me! Im always looking for a giant stir for the pot:)


On 04/25/2016 01:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Are you trolling or just insane?!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:22 PM, David > wrote:


Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
We like em for small loads


On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

already have that, looking for more poe out.
i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Rb2011

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

i need something similar to an rb750, but with more
ports. eight ports would be good, 10 would be great.
whats out there?

Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?

[Eric Muehleisen]

I thought the 60ghz was PTP only?

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Would love to hear about them. Very interested in the ptmp 60ghz.. it is
> suppose to have 5ghz fail over built in. It's got me curious.
> On Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Anybody here used them yet, besides the 60GHz products?
>>
>> I've got one I'm testing. Wanted to see what others thought of them
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?

[Josh Reynolds]

Companies can make more than 1 product you know :P
On Apr 26, 2016 8:31 AM, "Eric Muehleisen"  wrote:

> I thought the 60ghz was PTP only?
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Would love to hear about them. Very interested in the ptmp 60ghz.. it is
>> suppose to have 5ghz fail over built in. It's got me curious.
>> On Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody here used them yet, besides the 60GHz products?
>>>
>>> I've got one I'm testing. Wanted to see what others thought of them
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?

[Bill Prince]

So far. It would require something extra to allow it to work over a 
sector. Possibly beam forming?



bp


On 4/26/2016 6:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

I thought the 60ghz was PTP only?

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Joe Novak > wrote:


Would love to hear about them. Very interested in the ptmp 60ghz..
it is suppose to have 5ghz fail over built in. It's got me curious.

On Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Anybody here used them yet, besides the 60GHz products?

I've got one I'm testing. Wanted to see what others thought of
them

Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?

[Stefan Englhardt]

The do 5GHz, too. Got a small SP-AC750. Just works.

Their APs look smart and Cloud-Service looks decent.



But we’re just like to see these 60GHz Products. Nobody has stock for the PTPs 
here.



If we could do 60GHz PTMP within a km around towers and push 1GB HDX to nearby 
customers

I have to poor the money out for sure …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. April 2016 15:32
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?



Companies can make more than 1 product you know :P

On Apr 26, 2016 8:31 AM, "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I thought the 60ghz was PTP only?



On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Would love to hear about them. Very interested in the ptmp 60ghz.. it is 
suppose to have 5ghz fail over built in. It's got me curious.

On Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Anybody here used them yet, besides the 60GHz products?

I've got one I'm testing. Wanted to see what others thought of them

[AFMUG] Closest AF24 Paths

[Nate Burke]

With as Tight as the beams on the AF24 are, and how sensitive alignment 
is, how close of azimuths can you have on 2 paths (real world 
experience)?  Is 5 degrees too little?  Spec sheet says <3.5degree beam 
width.  So it should work?

Re: [AFMUG] Closest AF24 Paths

[Josh Luthman]

On the same tower leg stacked or 10 feet apart?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> With as Tight as the beams on the AF24 are, and how sensitive alignment
> is, how close of azimuths can you have on 2 paths (real world experience)?
> Is 5 degrees too little?  Spec sheet says <3.5degree beam width.  So it
> should work?
>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Adam Moffett]

Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would 
like to know what's wrong with them.



On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

*grabs a bucket of popcorn*

I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:

Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
We like em for small loads


On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


already have that, looking for more poe out.
i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Rb2011

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:


i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
would be good, 10 would be great.
whats out there?

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Dennis Burgess]

We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn out, 
failures, etc.  


www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would like to 
know what's wrong with them.


On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
>
> I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know.
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:
>> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
>> We like em for small loads
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> already have that, looking for more poe out.
>> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>>
>> Rb2011
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
>>> would be good, 10 would be great.
>>> whats out there?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Josh Luthman]

Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply don't turn
on or power on.  I use them as cable holders so no one trips over my test
cables.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn
> out, failures, etc.
>
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>
> Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would like
> to know what's wrong with them.
>
>
> On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
> >
> > I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to
> know.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:
> >> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
> >> We like em for small loads
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> already have that, looking for more poe out.
> >> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Josh Luthman
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
> >>
> >> Rb2011
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
> >>> would be good, 10 would be great.
> >>> whats out there?
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Closest AF24 Paths

[Nate Burke]

Same tower leg stacked.

On 4/26/2016 9:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

On the same tower leg stacked or 10 feet apart?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


With as Tight as the beams on the AF24 are, and how sensitive
alignment is, how close of azimuths can you have on 2 paths (real
world experience)?  Is 5 degrees too little?  Spec sheet says
<3.5degree beam width.  So it should work?

Re: [AFMUG] Closest AF24 Paths

[Jaime Solorza]

It is not as tight as you thinkI had to relocate Bridgewave 80ghz
radios that were 5 ft apart and use wall to shield it from hearing each
other.
On Apr 26, 2016 8:28 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> With as Tight as the beams on the AF24 are, and how sensitive alignment
> is, how close of azimuths can you have on 2 paths (real world experience)?
> Is 5 degrees too little?  Spec sheet says <3.5degree beam width.  So it
> should work?
>

[AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for any of you 
who need it...
http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/ 



Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

Re: [AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Ty Featherling]

Awesome, thank you very much. Gonna be at the MUM? I'll buy you a beer.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:

> I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for any of
> you who need it...
> http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

Sadly no.  I was in Texas last week and I am back home (Michigan) now for 2 
weeks… then off to Aruba.  No time.  ;(

I’m gonna try to make it to more events soon though so maybe next time.  When I 
found out that I was going to be driving past the MUM just a bit too early I 
was sad…  I hear it’s going to be the biggest US MUM… sounds awesome!


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling  wrote:
> 
> Awesome, thank you very much. Gonna be at the MUM? I'll buy you a beer.
> 
> -Ty
> 
> 
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists  > wrote:
> I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for any of 
> you who need it...
> http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/ 
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
> supp...@joshaven.com 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Ty Featherling]

That's too bad. Enjoy Aruba, though! Also, the link didn't work until I
removed the local. subdomain.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:

> Sadly no.  I was in Texas last week and I am back home (Michigan) now for
> 2 weeks… then off to Aruba.  No time.  ;(
>
> I’m gonna try to make it to more events soon though so maybe next time.
> When I found out that I was going to be driving past the MUM just a bit too
> early I was sad…  I hear it’s going to be the biggest US MUM… sounds
> awesome!
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, thank you very much. Gonna be at the MUM? I'll buy you a beer.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>
>> I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for any
>> of you who need it...
>> http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Closest AF24 Paths

[Jeremy]

The number that I have heard tossed around is 8 degrees.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Same tower leg stacked.
>
> On 4/26/2016 9:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> On the same tower leg stacked or 10 feet apart?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> With as Tight as the beams on the AF24 are, and how sensitive alignment
>> is, how close of azimuths can you have on 2 paths (real world experience)?
>> Is 5 degrees too little?  Spec sheet says <3.5degree beam width.  So it
>> should work?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Chris Wright]

Mine started oozing green slime and attempted to perform a blood sacrifice to 
Gozer on my junior techs!

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply don't turn on or 
power on.  I use them as cable holders so no one trips over my test cables.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn out, 
failures, etc.


www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 
x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would like to 
know what's wrong with them.


On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
>
> I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know.
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David 
> mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
>> We like em for small loads
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> already have that, looking for more poe out.
>> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>>
>> Rb2011
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
>>> would be good, 10 would be great.
>>> whats out there?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Ty Featherling]

I thought that was just me! I packaged it up and sent it to my competition.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Mine started oozing green slime and attempted to perform a blood sacrifice
> to Gozer on my junior techs!
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:42 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>
>
>
> Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply don't turn
> on or power on.  I use them as cable holders so no one trips over my test
> cables.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn
> out, failures, etc.
>
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>
> Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would like
> to know what's wrong with them.
>
>
> On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
> >
> > I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to
> know.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:
>
> >> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
> >> We like em for small loads
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> already have that, looking for more poe out.
> >> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Josh Luthman
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
> >>
> >> Rb2011
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
> >>> would be good, 10 would be great.
> >>> whats out there?
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Jon Bruce]

I think you meant to leave the local. out of the URL.


On 4/26/2016 11:13 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for 
any of you who need it...

http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com 

Re: [AFMUG] anybody using ignitenet spark/sunfire/skyfire?

[Mathew Howard]

They haven't actually announced anything in 60ghz PTMP yet, have they? I
know there was some talk about a future product, but 60ghz is only PTP at
this point... unless I missed something.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Companies can make more than 1 product you know :P
> On Apr 26, 2016 8:31 AM, "Eric Muehleisen"  wrote:
>
>> I thought the 60ghz was PTP only?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Would love to hear about them. Very interested in the ptmp 60ghz.. it is
>>> suppose to have 5ghz fail over built in. It's got me curious.
>>> On Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Anybody here used them yet, besides the 60GHz products?

 I've got one I'm testing. Wanted to see what others thought of them

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Ken Hohhof]

Like transporting the Tribbles to the Klingon ship?

From: Ty Featherling 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

I thought that was just me! I packaged it up and sent it to my competition. 

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

  Mine started oozing green slime and attempted to perform a blood sacrifice to 
Gozer on my junior techs!



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:42 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question


  Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply don't turn on 
or power on.  I use them as cable holders so no one trips over my test cables.






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess  
wrote:

  We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn 
out, failures, etc.


  www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

  Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would like to 
know what's wrong with them.


  On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  > *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
  >
  > I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to know.
  >
  > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:

  >> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
  >> We like em for small loads
  >>
  >>
  >> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> already have that, looking for more poe out.
  >> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
  >>
  >> - Original Message -
  >> From: Josh Luthman
  >> To: af@afmug.com
  >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
  >>
  >> Rb2011
  >>
  >> Josh Luthman
  >> Office: 937-552-2340
  >> Direct: 937-552-2343
  >> 1100 Wayne St
  >> Suite 1337
  >> Troy, OH 45373
  >>
  >> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  >> wrote:
  >>>
  >>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight ports
  >>> would be good, 10 would be great.
  >>> whats out there?
  >>>
  >>

Re: [AFMUG] Updated Winbox for Mac

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

Good thinking I didn’t mean to have the local… I have the site running on my 
local computer and use that domain to test before pushing to the live site… 
whoops!

http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/



Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Ty Featherling  wrote:
> 
> That's too bad. Enjoy Aruba, though! Also, the link didn't work until I 
> removed the local. subdomain.
> 
> -Ty
> 
> 
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists  > wrote:
> Sadly no.  I was in Texas last week and I am back home (Michigan) now for 2 
> weeks… then off to Aruba.  No time.  ;(
> 
> I’m gonna try to make it to more events soon though so maybe next time.  When 
> I found out that I was going to be driving past the MUM just a bit too early 
> I was sad…  I hear it’s going to be the biggest US MUM… sounds awesome!
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
> supp...@joshaven.com 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling > > wrote:
>> 
>> Awesome, thank you very much. Gonna be at the MUM? I'll buy you a beer.
>> 
>> -Ty
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Ty
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
>> mailto:lis...@joshaven.com>> wrote:
>> I finally got around to releasing version 3.4 of Winbox for Mac for any of 
>> you who need it...
>> http://local.joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
>> supp...@joshaven.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Ty Featherling]

Exactly like that.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Like transporting the Tribbles to the Klingon ship?
>
> *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>
> I thought that was just me! I packaged it up and sent it to my
> competition.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Mine started oozing green slime and attempted to perform a blood
>> sacrifice to Gozer on my junior techs!
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115 <209-838-1221%20x115>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:42 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply don't turn
>> on or power on.  I use them as cable holders so no one trips over my test
>> cables.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working, ports burn
>> out, failures, etc.
>>
>>
>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>>
>> Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education I would
>> like to know what's wrong with them.
>>
>>
>> On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> > *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
>> >
>> > I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to
>> know.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> >> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
>> >> We like em for small loads
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> already have that, looking for more poe out.
>> >> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: Josh Luthman
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>> >>
>> >> Rb2011
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more ports.  eight
>> ports
>> >>> would be good, 10 would be great.
>> >>> whats out there?
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Jerry Head]

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our 
website. What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a 
WISP we certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required" 
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we 
are not sure why he did not finish it



"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband Initiative? 
I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I research the program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my medical 
cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it necessary 
to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Josh Luthman]

Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while
writing it!

Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not
available, maybe we can help.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per
> month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?
>
> This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website.
> What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we
> certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
> to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would
> mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for
> veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are
> not sure why he did not finish it
>
>
> "I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband
> Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I
> research the program.
>
> My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my
> medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it
> necessary to budget my expenses.
>
> I need internet service right away and I am"
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Rory Conaway]

We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per month 
for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. What 
is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we certainly 
don't feed from the public trough, are we "required" 
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband Initiative? 
I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I research the 
program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my medical 
cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it necessary 
to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Ken Hohhof]

When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local news reports 
led many people to believe this would lead to everyone along the route getting 
free Internet from the government.

Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant free 
electricity.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while writing 
it! 

Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited 
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not available, 
maybe we can help.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per month 
for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

  Rory


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

  This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. 
What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we 
certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
  to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


  "I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband 
Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I 
research the program.

  My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my medical 
cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it necessary 
to budget my expenses.

  I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

dsl to our customer base is never reliable over about 300k. Id say ten
bucks a month for 300k is fair.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while
> writing it!
>
> Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited
> service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not
> available, maybe we can help.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per
>> month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?
>>
>> This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website.
>> What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we
>> certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
>> to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would
>> mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for
>> veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are
>> not sure why he did not finish it
>>
>>
>> "I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband
>> Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I
>> research the program.
>>
>> My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my
>> medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it
>> necessary to budget my expenses.
>>
>> I need internet service right away and I am"
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, all that caused was more wind, one of our customers told me

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local news
> reports led many people to believe this would lead to everyone along the
> route getting free Internet from the government.
>
> Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant free
> electricity.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?
>
> Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while
> writing it!
>
> Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited
> service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not
> available, maybe we can help.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per
>> month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?
>>
>> This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website.
>> What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we
>> certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
>> to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would
>> mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for
>> veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are
>> not sure why he did not finish it
>>
>>
>> "I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband
>> Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I
>> research the program.
>>
>> My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my
>> medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it
>> necessary to budget my expenses.
>>
>> I need internet service right away and I am"
>>
>>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[David]

Myself, A veteran.
 I do believe in giving credit where credit is due. It sounds like all 
he is asking for is if there is an available discounted rate program 
that your company may offer.
The install is one but he is possibly looking for the low end package 
that has a better monthly rate.
We keep one around that we dont advertise just for those who deserve and 
need that type of service. We do non-profit and churches all get the 
same deal as with our veterans who have

served over seas as well as active service members.
 If they need more than our basic rate then we offer the std rates for 
the higher capacity packages.


my 2cents


On 04/26/2016 02:02 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our 
website. What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As 
a WISP we certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we 
"required" to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all 
that I would mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the 
installation fee for veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it 
is incomplete and we are not sure why he did not finish it



"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband 
Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend 
I research the program.


My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my 
medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This 
makes it necessary to budget my expenses.


I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Jerry Head]

Appreciate the thoughts.
I think we are going to offer a 66% discount on installation along with 
a 40% discount on our monthly rate.

No DSL available at his address.

On 4/26/2016 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local 
news reports led many people to believe this would lead to everyone 
along the route getting free Internet from the government.
Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant 
free electricity.

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?
Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died 
while writing it!
Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of 
unlimited service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If 
it's not available, maybe we can help.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95
per month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our
website. What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly?
As a WISP we certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we
"required"
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I
would mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the
installation fee for veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis.
Yes it is incomplete and we are not sure why he did not finish it


"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural
Broadband Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was
suggested by a friend I research the program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but
my medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income.
This makes it necessary to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[David]

HOLY SNIKEYS>>> I did not know they would do that.
We have 10+ on a campus and everyone of them are either in a basement or 
attic.

They only have 3 physical devices plugged into them.
1 epmp,2 MT-Cap devices

So far been a year to date none have failed yet?
Now watch all will fail at once since I spoke  Phone ringing LOL


On 04/26/2016 12:47 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:

Exactly like that.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Like transporting the Tribbles to the Klingon ship?
*From:* Ty Featherling 
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
I thought that was just me! I packaged it up and sent it to my
competition.
-Ty
-Ty
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Chris Wright
mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:

Mine started oozing green slime and attempted to perform a
blood sacrifice to Gozer on my junior techs!

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:42 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Mine failed while sitting in a controlled office.  They simply
don't turn on or power on.  I use them as cable holders so no
one trips over my test cables.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Dennis Burgess
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:

We stopped selling them, just way to many issues, not working,
ports burn out, failures, etc.


www.linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270
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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

Well I've never bought a Tough Switch so for my own education
I would like to know what's wrong with them.


On 4/25/2016 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> *grabs a bucket of popcorn*
>
> I can list quite a few things wrong with them if you'd really like to 
know.
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:22 PM, David mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

>> Get the tough switch 8 ports and POE out
>> We like em for small loads
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/2016 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> already have that, looking for more poe out.
>> i could do a netronix switch, but i like the mikrotiks ;)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question
>>
>> Rb2011
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2016 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i need something similar to an rb750, but with more
ports.  eight ports
>>> would be good, 10 would be great.
>>> whats out there?
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Sierra Components?

[Glen Waldrop]

Anyone ever order from them?

Hit a snag, wondering if they’re always condescending pricks or if I just 
happened to get lucky.

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Glen Waldrop]

aaarrgh



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while writing 
it! 

Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited 
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not available, 
maybe we can help.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per month 
for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

  Rory


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

  This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. 
What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we 
certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
  to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


  "I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband 
Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I 
research the program.

  My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my medical 
cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it necessary 
to budget my expenses.

  I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Rory Conaway]

If he has no other option, then you can do what you want.  This program seems 
to be specific to CenturyLink.  We just tell the customer they have to sign a 
contract and there is an NDA clause in it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

Appreciate the thoughts.
I think we are going to offer a 66% discount on installation along with a 40% 
discount on our monthly rate.
No DSL available at his address.

On 4/26/2016 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local news reports 
led many people to believe this would lead to everyone along the route getting 
free Internet from the government.

Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant free 
electricity.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while writing 
it!

Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited 
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not available, 
maybe we can help.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per month 
for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. What 
is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we certainly 
don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband Initiative? 
I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I research the 
program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my medical 
cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it necessary 
to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Ken Hohhof]

I think I would also make it clear that you are giving him a discount, not 
getting a subsidy from some government program to make up the difference.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

If he has no other option, then you can do what you want.  This program seems 
to be specific to CenturyLink.  We just tell the customer they have to sign a 
contract and there is an NDA clause in it.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

 

Appreciate the thoughts.
I think we are going to offer a 66% discount on installation along with a 40% 
discount on our monthly rate.
No DSL available at his address.

On 4/26/2016 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local news 
reports led many people to believe this would lead to everyone along the route 
getting free Internet from the government.

   

  Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant free 
electricity.

   

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

   

  Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while 
writing it! 

   

  Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited 
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not available, 
maybe we can help.

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per 
month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. 
What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we 
certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband 
Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I 
research the program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my 
medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it 
necessary to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

[Glen Waldrop]

Agreed.



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

I think I would also make it clear that you are giving him a discount, not 
getting a subsidy from some government program to make up the difference.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

If he has no other option, then you can do what you want.  This program seems 
to be specific to CenturyLink.  We just tell the customer they have to sign a 
contract and there is an NDA clause in it.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

 

Appreciate the thoughts.
I think we are going to offer a 66% discount on installation along with a 40% 
discount on our monthly rate.
No DSL available at his address.

On 4/26/2016 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  When the BTOP funded middle mile fiber project came through, local news 
reports led many people to believe this would lead to everyone along the route 
getting free Internet from the government.

   

  Oh yeah, when the wind farm went in, some people thought that meant free 
electricity.

   

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:06 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

   

  Hope he's doing OK.  Reminds me of Monty Python - perhaps he died while 
writing it! 

   

  Personally I'd have a hard time justifying $9.95 for any kind of unlimited 
service.  If he can get DSL at that price, have at it.  If it's not available, 
maybe we can help.

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

We got hit with this a few weeks ago.  They get internet for $9.95 per 
month for 1.5Mbps with DSL.  We match this.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How would you address this?

This is a copy/paste of an inquiry submission we received on our website. 
What is this guy asking for? Discounted service possibly? As a WISP we 
certainly don't feed from the public trough, are we "required"
to do some kind of discounted service here? Having said all that I would 
mention that as a practice we do discount/waive the installation fee for 
veterans as taken on a case-by-case basis. Yes it is incomplete and we are not 
sure why he did not finish it


"I am wondering if your company participates in the Rural Broadband 
Initiative? I live on a fixed income and it was suggested by a friend I 
research the program.

My retirement is more than adequate under normal circumstances but my 
medical cost not covered by the VA eats up much of my income. This makes it 
necessary to budget my expenses.

I need internet service right away and I am"

   

 

[AFMUG] Tales from the Towers - Chapter 59 Posted

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2016/04/26/migration-isnt-just-for-birds/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I wish I could play little league now.  I'd be way better than before."

Re: [AFMUG] Tales from the Towers - Chapter 59 Posted

[Josh Reynolds]

I've got to be honest... It's been awhile since you weren't going on a rant
about the FCC or did something that was IMO really objective and at least
somewhat technical...

... But this one is really well done Rory. Informative and entertaining
with little to no spin.

Very well done.
On Apr 26, 2016 10:45 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> http://muniwireless.com/2016/04/26/migration-isnt-just-for-birds/
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”
>
>
>