date:20170222

In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
different animal entirely.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Check this out
> http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-
> lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbC
> IsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQm
> FYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRan
> E5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
>> ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
>> the point where it lost the original meaning.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that
>>> not necessary follow what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>>>
>>> Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>>
>>> I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They
>>> should have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the
>>> cell companies' version of 5G...
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?

 From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway <
 r...@triadwireless.net>
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

 Gino, the GPS software does work.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G



 That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I
 have seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had
 their fill .







 *Gino Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 *Gino Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
 despite spending a lot of money on them:



 WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server



 And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
 “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
 wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
 speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
 plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
 user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
 spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
 from your house in the country.



 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-mo
 dem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G



 Ouch…







 *From: *Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <
 s...@genias.net>
 *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
 *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G



 Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner:
 mimosa.

 But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.



 Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
 make their

 Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.







 *Gino Villarini*

 President

 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 --

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software

2017-02-22 Thread Jeremy

We just started using Tsheets at the first of this year.  So far it seems
great, but I still have not taken the time to really dig into it and learn
a few things  I need to figure out how to add paid holidays and try to get
the automatic QuickBooks Integration working.  I have not had enough
experience with Tsheets to tell you if it has the specific features that
you are looking for.  We were choosing between uAttend and Tsheets.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> We use Tsheets
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:37 PM Timothy Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> Try Tsheets Uattend is the worst
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 12:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I use Timeforce.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software
>>
>>
>> I see Timeforce all over the place, in every industry we work with.
>> Either its really good and versatile or there is a regional sales rep in
>> this area who has been living on red bull and cocaine for the last decade
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> My company currently uses uAttend for tracking time for all of our
>> employees (office personnel, field technicians, tower technicians, etc),
>> and we have come across a couple of glaring problems that it has. It is
>> very difficult (pretty much impossible) to track time for specific projects
>> that are done, and our employees cannot look at how much PTO time they have
>> available. We are otherwise pretty happy with this software (the phone app
>> is great for clocking in/out of jobs, and it tracks regular time/overtime
>> well).
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone else on this list come across a better piece of software that
>> could help to accomplish these tasks?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>> --
> Regards,
> Chuck
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software

2017-02-22 Thread Chuck Hogg

We use Tsheets

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:37 PM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Try Tsheets Uattend is the worst
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 12:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I use Timeforce.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software
>
>
> I see Timeforce all over the place, in every industry we work with. Either
> its really good and versatile or there is a regional sales rep in this area
> who has been living on red bull and cocaine for the last decade
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> My company currently uses uAttend for tracking time for all of our
> employees (office personnel, field technicians, tower technicians, etc),
> and we have come across a couple of glaring problems that it has. It is
> very difficult (pretty much impossible) to track time for specific projects
> that are done, and our employees cannot look at how much PTO time they have
> available. We are otherwise pretty happy with this software (the phone app
> is great for clocking in/out of jobs, and it tracks regular time/overtime
> well).
>
>
>
> Has anyone else on this list come across a better piece of software that
> could help to accomplish these tasks?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
> --
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference

2017-02-22 Thread Chuck Hogg

Not only that but they have lost, and continue to lose in TN.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:00 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> LOL !...
>
> I find it very ironic and humorous It was the Tennessee ISP's  who
> many years ago voted for FISPA to not be an advocacy organization as
> such they have to keep doing the tip toe tap dance. !
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 2:14:58 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> Maybe I misunderstood the last session there with the FCC and what was
> being discussed.  They did say that throwing a ton of money at being a
> lobbyist made no sense.  However, they DID have people at the Tennessee
> meetings on broadband and coordinated that appearance with other ISPs
> attending.   And, they did say how to personally address the issue with the
> FCC and state entities.  Template letters (ala WISPA) were brought up, etc.
>
>
>
> For what is worth….
>
>
>
> OK, I’m done.  Back to making money from all the stuff I learned at the
> FISPA conference J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
>
>
> Context Context Context ..
>
>
>
> What Fred Stated (on the WISPA list)  earlier was accurate and factual.
>
> I also have no ill will or desire to speak ill of FISPA, after all I am
> and have been a member for the last 20+ years (am getting too old to count).
>
>
>
> Buying group,  Information sharing, facilitating dialog etc etc etc, yes
> absolutely ..
>
> Advocacy group, they are not.
>
>
>
> At the present time they have morphed into more of CLEC's and Fiber
> Provider's association vs just ISP's (most of their members were ISP's and
> have grown up !).
>
>
>
> They do presentations at the meetings in regards to the Legal affairs and
> the status of where things are.. the Legal Advisors Kris and others have
> common clients with the FISPA membership.  But as an association taking an
> active position or role with legislative affairs is something they very
> much choose not to do.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 1:35:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> OK I saw some perspectives on the WISPA list…. My response there was….
>
>
>
> Um…. You guys need to take a new look at this.  Either everything they
> said from the platform is a lie, of they are indeed working for a “spot at
> the table”, so to speak.
>
>
>
> The “buying part” (ATT) was about 20% of the conference.  And, the
> perspective about where ATT sits within the group of mostly small fish
> within the attendees was transparent and “not a thing” so to speak.
>
>
>
> Maybe it started out the way you recall it, but I took nothing away from
> the conference but them being what you described, from the very helpful
> session tracts to the panels of attorneys that can fight the battles we
> need to the final meeting with FCC representation and discussions on what
> we can do to increase the little guys presence with the FCC and provide
> input and influence on policy.
>
>
>
> SMH  / ??
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 10:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
>
>
> >>They are parallel organization to WISPA,  and our fighting for our seat
> at the table with legislators.
>
>
>
> I would seriously challenge that statement, especially the last half of
> the above sentence..
>
>
>
> Please read carefully !..
>
>
>
> http://www.fispa.org/about-us/
>
>
>
> http://www.fispa.org/about-us/mission/
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:00:51 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> Just throwing this out there.  If you are doing FTTX or even with your
> towers, you should consider joining FISPA.  They are parallel organization
> to WISPA and our fighting for our seat at the table with legislators.  A
> LOT is up in the air right now regulatory wise, and supporting

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Jaime Solorza

Check this out
http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D

On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
> ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
> the point where it lost the original meaning.
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that
>> not necessary follow what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>>
>> Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>> I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They
>> should have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the
>> cell companies' version of 5G...
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway <
>>> r...@triadwireless.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>>
>>> Gino, the GPS software does work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have
>>> seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their
>>> fill .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
>>> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
>>> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
>>> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
>>> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
>>> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
>>> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
>>> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
>>> from your house in the country.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-mo
>>> dem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ouch…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <
>>> s...@genias.net>
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
>>>
>>> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
>>> make their
>>>
>>> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height to function well

Time to bring those old CB radio antennas out of storage.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require 
height to function well

Let’s not forget that for HF antennas to have a low angle of takeoff for DX 
capability, they should be a quarter wavelength off the ground. With the lowest 
frequency on the HF band being 1.8 MHz, 80 foot is more than easily justified.

http://www.dx-antennas.com/Height%20versus%20take%20off%20angle.htm

Thank You,
Brian Webster
214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
Cooperstown, NY 13326
(607) 643-4055 Office
(607) 435-3988 Mobile
(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require 
height to function well

Frequency, gain, directivity all play a part.  The normal rule of thumb is that 
if your tower did not blow over in the last big storm the antenna was not big 
enough.

You could stick up a 1.2 GHz omni about the size of your thumb, or even a 10 
GHz beacon that would be even smaller.
2 meter quarter wave whip is 19 inches and could be mounted on the side of the 
tower.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height 
to function well

Looking to see what type of antenna (without a lot of wind load) that a 
customer can put on an 80ft. tower.  They do not yet have their amateur license 
but working on it.  By placing an amateur radio antenna, the FCC mandates the 
local government to let them put up an 80 ft. tower.   I am not certain there 
has to be any kind of justification of what type of antenna (or anything else) 
but just in case, it would be nice to have some insight.

Since I am not an amateur license holder, I am not knowledgeable on the 
subject.  At the “end of the day” once the tower is erected and final 
inspection is completed, then the customer will also put up an ePMP Force 200 
to get service from us at 6miles away.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

Nice.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

http://www.c9networks.com/

Full Docsis setup.  Then just throw cable modems on the end.
On 2/22/2017 10:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment 
instead of recabling.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his 
business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

Thanks Chuck.  The building has 300 units so I was looking for something like 
this to consolidate on one side.

https://www.amazon.com/LRP-1622CS-16-port-2-port-Coaxial-Managed/dp/B01FYJ214Y/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics=UTF8=1487779542=1-7=ethernet+over+coax+switch

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment 
instead of recabling.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his 
business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

1. They have small openings
2. At least the RF armor ones are VERY sturdily built
3. Dry snow will not substantially attenuate RF at the short range
distances these are designed for given the frequencies at play
4. Wet, melting snow can attenuate signal, but not substantially given the
frequencies and ranges
5. Yes, they do have radomes/covers :)

Relevant Experience - Alaskan coastline deployments

On Feb 22, 2017 7:15 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> Do all these horns have covers for snow?
>
> On 02/22/2017 04:15 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>
>> These things are very different, and super cool, beta testers can
>> already buy them
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 6:02 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> That’s not exactly true.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> The radio comes with the horn UBNT is selling.  The horn is
>> removable from the radio.  There are talks of higher gain horns from
>> what I hear.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Owner
>>
>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-985-5912
>>
>> j...@brazoswifi.com  
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:30 PM
>> *To:* af >
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> These are kinda different, being as they have built in radios.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Rory Conaway
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Ubiquiti is copying RF Elements horns?  Seriously?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!
>>
>>  
>>
>> But they are not is good as RF elements btw
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Gino Villarini" > >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Date: 02/22/17 02:02 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> /*Gino Villarini*/
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
>> 00968
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> __ __
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

2017-02-22 Thread Robert Andrews

Do all these horns have covers for snow?

On 02/22/2017 04:15 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:

These things are very different, and super cool, beta testers can
already buy them

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 6:02 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> wrote:

That’s not exactly true.

__ __

The radio comes with the horn UBNT is selling.  The horn is
removable from the radio.  There are talks of higher gain horns from
what I hear.

__ __

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com  

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:30 PM
*To:* af >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

__ __

These are kinda different, being as they have built in radios.

__ __

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Rory Conaway
> wrote:

Ubiquiti is copying RF Elements horns?  Seriously?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

But they are not is good as RF elements btw

-Original Message-
From: "Gino Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Date: 02/22/17 02:02 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT has horns too!

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] Fun in Dona Ana, NM

Might not be an issue in New Mexico. Frost layer there rarely goes more 
than 1/2" below the surface.



bp


On 2/22/2017 4:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is that a hollow-rod tower? If so, did they make sure to have water 
egress at the pipe bottoms inside the concrete so that water doesn't 
accumulate and burst the pipes after freezing?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


This morning

Re: [AFMUG] Fun in Dona Ana, NM

2017-02-22 Thread Colin Stanners

Is that a hollow-rod tower? If so, did they make sure to have water egress
at the pipe bottoms inside the concrete so that water doesn't accumulate
and burst the pipes after freezing?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> This morning
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height to function well

2017-02-22 Thread Brian Webster

Let’s not forget that for HF antennas to have a low angle of takeoff for DX 
capability, they should be a quarter wavelength off the ground. With the lowest 
frequency on the HF band being 1.8 MHz, 80 foot is more than easily justified.

 

http://www.dx-antennas.com/Height%20versus%20take%20off%20angle.htm

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require 
height to function well

 

Frequency, gain, directivity all play a part.  The normal rule of thumb is that 
if your tower did not blow over in the last big storm the antenna was not big 
enough.  

 

You could stick up a 1.2 GHz omni about the size of your thumb, or even a 10 
GHz beacon that would be even smaller.  

2 meter quarter wave whip is 19 inches and could be mounted on the side of the 
tower.  

 

From: Paul McCall 

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height 
to function well

 

Looking to see what type of antenna (without a lot of wind load) that a 
customer can put on an 80ft. tower.  They do not yet have their amateur license 
but working on it.  By placing an amateur radio antenna, the FCC mandates the 
local government to let them put up an 80 ft. tower.   I am not certain there 
has to be any kind of justification of what type of antenna (or anything else) 
but just in case, it would be nice to have some insight.   

 

Since I am not an amateur license holder, I am not knowledgeable on the 
subject.  At the “end of the day” once the tower is erected and final 
inspection is completed, then the customer will also put up an ePMP Force 200 
to get service from us at 6miles away.  

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

The ports are all the same, so it shouldn't matter where things are 
plugged in, right?

On 2/22/2017 4:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I assume after a few minutes, customers will start messing with the 
POE, unplugging it, getting the cables plugged into the wrong places, 
and other super helpful things.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:36 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

At least it doesn't default itself while it looks like it's 
powercycling

On 2/22/2017 4:19 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

yes it is

Dealt with that in the last cold snap

a software reboot is enough that it wont boot, just cycles, bad
bad juju

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just
sit there dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when
you first boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold
snap isn't going to make it go down.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke
> wrote:

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been
running a few mores test now that the radios are nice and
cold in the freezer.  It appears that the polarity does
not matter, but the heater will not kick on with <30v
supplied.

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP
can take up to 20 minutes to heat up if it’s really,
really cold outside. That has to feel like an eternity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday. 
Two of them.  It was like 15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof
> wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees
outside.  I assume you are testing in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think
that I'm repeating the test now and coming up with
different results.  Like the heater isn't kicking
on with either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience
with preheaters in their 5830 series radios, no
one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it
sounds like you've already answered it and are
just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup
of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function
with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems
stuck in a reboot loop
> with 4/5+ 7/8-  The same radio powered on and
booted within 2 minutes

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

2017-02-22 Thread Ken Hohhof

I assume after a few minutes, customers will start messing with the POE, 
unplugging it, getting the cables plugged into the wrong places, and other 
super helpful things.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

At least it doesn't default itself while it looks like it's powercycling

On 2/22/2017 4:19 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

yes it is 

Dealt with that in the last cold snap

a software reboot is enough that it wont boot, just cycles, bad bad juju

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just sit there dumb 
for hours until the sun cooks it a bit? 

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you first boot it 
up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap isn't going to make it go down.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke  > wrote:

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been running a few mores 
test now that the radios are nice and cold in the freezer.  It appears that the 
polarity does not matter, but the heater will not kick on with <30v supplied.  

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20 minutes 
to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to feel like an 
eternity.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was like 
15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are testing 
in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the test now 
and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't kicking on with 
either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their 5830 
> series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already 
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm  >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to around 
> 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on 
> and off, like it was continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only the 
> power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the heater 
> would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that might not be 
> the case.
>
>

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

2017-02-22 Thread George Skorup

Sigh. Everything is going towards 48/56vdc anyway.

On 2/22/2017 4:19 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

yes it is
Dealt with that in the last cold snap
a software reboot is enough that it wont boot, just cycles, bad bad juju

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just sit
there dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you
first boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap
isn't going to make it go down.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been
running a few mores test now that the radios are nice and cold
in the freezer.  It appears that the polarity does not matter,
but the heater will not kick on with <30v supplied.

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take
up to 20 minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold
outside.  That has to feel like an eternity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday. Two of
them.  It was like 15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I
assume you are testing in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm
repeating the test now and coming up with different
results.  Like the heater isn't kicking on with either
polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with
preheaters in their 5830 series radios, no one would do
that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds
like you've already answered it and are just looking for
confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of
EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with
4/5- 7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in
a reboot loop
> with 4/5+  7/8- The same radio powered on and booted
within 2 minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would
randomly spike to around 15w The power light would stay
on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on and off,
like it was continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2
minutes with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as
well. It's looking like that might not be the case.
>
>

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

At least it doesn't default itself while it looks like it's powercycling

On 2/22/2017 4:19 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

yes it is
Dealt with that in the last cold snap
a software reboot is enough that it wont boot, just cycles, bad bad juju

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just sit
there dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you
first boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap
isn't going to make it go down.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been
running a few mores test now that the radios are nice and cold
in the freezer.  It appears that the polarity does not matter,
but the heater will not kick on with <30v supplied.

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take
up to 20 minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold
outside.  That has to feel like an eternity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday. Two of
them.  It was like 15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I
assume you are testing in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm
repeating the test now and coming up with different
results.  Like the heater isn't kicking on with either
polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with
preheaters in their 5830 series radios, no one would do
that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds
like you've already answered it and are just looking for
confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of
EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with
4/5- 7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in
a reboot loop
> with 4/5+  7/8- The same radio powered on and booted
within 2 minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would
randomly spike to around 15w The power light would stay
on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on and off,
like it was continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2
minutes with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as
well. It's looking like that might not be the case.
>
>

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

yes it is
Dealt with that in the last cold snap
a software reboot is enough that it wont boot, just cycles, bad bad juju

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just sit there
> dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?
>
> This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you first
> boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap isn't going to
> make it go down.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've finally got back to this project today, and have been running a few
>> mores test now that the radios are nice and cold in the freezer.  It
>> appears that the polarity does not matter, but the heater will not kick on
>> with <30v supplied.
>>
>> On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20
>> minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to feel
>> like an eternity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>>
>>
>>
>> Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was
>> like 15*?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are
>> testing in a freezer?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>>
>> I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the
>> test now and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't
>> kicking on with either polarity now.
>>
>> On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in
>> their 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>> >
>> > I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already
>> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
>> > To: Animal Farm 
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>> >
>> > I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
>> > Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
>> > cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
>> > with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
>> > or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>> >
>> > Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to
>> around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights
>> would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.
>> >
>> > Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only
>> the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>> >
>> > I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the
>> heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that
>> might not be the case.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

My Infrared Thermometer measures the freezer at 18degrees.  I'm not sure 
what the cutoff temperature for the heater is.  I can say that I was 
bringing up a new site @24v on a 30degree day.  I plugged the cable in 
on the ground, waited a few minutes, the AP still had not come up, I 
climbed up the leg to investigate, saw the AP in what appeared to be a 
Reboot loop, waited a few more minutes, and it finally booted up.  So 
I'd say that was at least 10 minutes.  That's what prompted me to start 
testing.

I have an edgepoint R6 running at 30v input now, The edgepoint still 
seems fine, and it looks like that's enough to power the heater in the EPMP.

On 2/22/2017 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
So what happens if you do power it up with 24v? Does it just sit there 
dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you 
first boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap isn't 
going to make it go down.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been running
a few mores test now that the radios are nice and cold in the
freezer.  It appears that the polarity does not matter, but the
heater will not kick on with <30v supplied.

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up
to 20 minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside. 
That has to feel like an eternity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them. 
It was like 15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I
assume you are testing in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm
repeating the test now and coming up with different results. 
Like the heater isn't kicking on with either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with
preheaters in their 5830 series radios, no one would do that
ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like
you've already answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000
w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-
7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a
reboot loop
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted
within 2 minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly
spike to around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync
and ethernet lights would go on and off, like it was
continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2
minutes with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as
well. It's looking like that might not be the case.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

2017-02-22 Thread Josh Luthman

So what happens if you do power it up with 24v?  Does it just sit there
dumb for hours until the sun cooks it a bit?

This is really only relevant if it's something like <10F when you first
boot it up, right?  If it's booted and warm, a cold snap isn't going to
make it go down.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've finally got back to this project today, and have been running a few
> mores test now that the radios are nice and cold in the freezer.  It
> appears that the polarity does not matter, but the heater will not kick on
> with <30v supplied.
>
> On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20
> minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to feel
> like an eternity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
>
>
> Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was
> like 15*?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are
> testing in a freezer?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the
> test now and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't
> kicking on with either polarity now.
>
> On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their
> 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
> >
> > I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
> >
> > I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> > Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> > cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
> > with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
> > or so with 4/5- 7/8+
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to
> around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights
> would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only
> the power light on, then 4w once booted.
> >
> > I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the
> heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that
> might not be the case.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I've finally got back to this project today, and have been running a few 
mores test now that the radios are nice and cold in the freezer.  It 
appears that the polarity does not matter, but the heater will not kick 
on with <30v supplied.

On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20 
minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to 
feel like an eternity.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It 
was like 15*?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume
you are testing in a freezer?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating
the test now and coming up with different results.  Like the
heater isn't kicking on with either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters
in their 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've
already answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot
loop
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2
minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly
spike to around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and
ethernet lights would go on and off, like it was continually
rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes
with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as well. 
It's looking like that might not be the case.

>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

thank god for affirmative action, we wouldnt have have our youtube gems if
it werent for that

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> My favorite was Rep. Hank Johnson from Georgia discussing the military
> buildup in Guam.
>
>
>
> In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific
> island, Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert
> Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific fleet.
>
> "My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it
> will tip over and capsize," Johnson said. Willard paused and replied, "We
> don't anticipate that."
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> My favorite Pelosi quote was the “we have to pass the bill so we can find
> out what is in it”
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:43 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like
> Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also
> feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>
> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> dont be obtuse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

LOL

On Feb 22, 2017 2:50 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> My favorite was Rep. Hank Johnson from Georgia discussing the military
> buildup in Guam.
>
>
>
> In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific
> island, Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert
> Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific fleet.
>
> "My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it
> will tip over and capsize," Johnson said. Willard paused and replied, "We
> don't anticipate that."
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> My favorite Pelosi quote was the “we have to pass the bill so we can find
> out what is in it”
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:43 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like
> Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also
> feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>
> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> dont be obtuse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

My favorite was Rep. Hank Johnson from Georgia discussing the military buildup 
in Guam.

In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific island, 
Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert Willard, head of 
the U.S. Pacific fleet.
"My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will 
tip over and capsize," Johnson said. Willard paused and replied, "We don't 
anticipate that."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

My favorite Pelosi quote was the “we have to pass the bill so we can find out 
what is in it”

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like Maxine 
Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also feel 
like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.

On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
Lol I thought that after I typed it.

Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with more 
politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's 
response is pretty telling about the individual.

On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I'm so glad someone else thought that =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

My favorite Pelosi quote was the “we have to pass the bill so we can find out 
what is in it”

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like Maxine 
Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also feel 
like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.

On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  Lol I thought that after I typed it.

  Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with more 
politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?

  I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's 
response is pretty telling about the individual.

  On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

I'm so glad someone else thought that =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Both of them have developed he same level of dementia as Maxine.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

lindsey graham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNtzyMn-l0
note, none of these are verified real

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
maniac mccain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqrw2vIvBv0

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy1nCgm9Iw there you go

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like Maxine 
Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also feel 
like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.

On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
Lol I thought that after I typed it.


Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with more 
politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's 
response is pretty telling about the individual.

On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I'm so glad someone else thought that =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
dont be obtuse






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

lindsey graham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNtzyMn-l0
note, none of these are verified real

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> maniac mccain
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqrw2vIvBv0
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy1nCgm9Iw there you go
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like
>>> Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I
>>> also feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the
>>> video.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
>>> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>>>
>>> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
>>> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> dont be obtuse
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Feral hogs

2017-02-22 Thread David Milholen

They attract Black Bear around here which also kills off the deer populous

On 2/22/2017 11:34 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
with the amount of damage thos hogs do, bagging 100 of them should get
them fast track citizenship for the economic benefit they provide alone

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:14 AM
*To:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
2.5 million feral hogs
Divide that by 100. 25,000
Give 25,000 hunting permits to folks from south of the border.
If they bag 100 hogs they get to stay and work for 5 years.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
You would think that there is some kind of hog bait that they
cannot resist. Have them fall down a hole full of carbon
dioxide. Once a day haul them to the dog food factory.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for
feral hogs, i believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons
i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown
wrote:

I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool
live video game.
*From:* Dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
OMG really!
Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise
target eliminator :)

On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from
power lines. What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy1nCgm9Iw there you go

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like
> Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also
> feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>
> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> dont be obtuse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

How is focusing on their stupidity important to the current discussion?



On Feb 22, 2017 12:43 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like
Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?



Rory



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics



I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also
feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.



On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

Lol I thought that after I typed it.





Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?

I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
response is pretty telling about the individual.



On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

I'm so glad someone else thought that =)




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Agent Orange is target rich.  Take almost anyone else, and multiply by 
5, and it still pales to his reality.

bp

On 2/22/2017 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like 
Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I 
also feel like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in 
the video.

On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:

Lol I thought that after I typed it.

Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the
list with more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo
yionopolis (sp)?

I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle.
People's response is pretty telling about the individual.

On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>
wrote:

I'm so glad someone else thought that =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen
> wrote:

On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

How come nobody here is talking about the stupid things Democrats like Maxine 
Waters or Nancy Pelosi say all the time?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

I don't like him. I think he's a giant fucking loudmouth douchebag. I also feel 
like it's highly likely his shit was taken out of context in the video.

On Feb 21, 2017 6:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
Lol I thought that after I typed it.

Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with more 
politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's 
response is pretty telling about the individual.

On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I'm so glad someone else thought that =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

2017-02-22 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/22/17 09:08, Keefe John wrote:

Looks like that thing was built in the 90s.



Does it need more blue LEDs?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Feral hogs

with the amount of damage thos hogs do, bagging 100 of them should get them
fast track citizenship for the economic benefit they provide alone

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:14 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> 2.5 million feral hogs
> Divide that by 100.  25,000
> Give 25,000 hunting permits to folks from south of the border.
> If they bag 100 hogs they get to stay and work for 5 years.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> You would think that there is some kind of hog bait that they cannot
> resist.  Have them fall down a hole full of carbon dioxide.  Once a day
> haul them to the dog food factory.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for feral
> hogs, i believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons
> i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video
>> game.
>>
>> *From:* Dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>> OMG really!
>> Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target
>> eliminator :)
>>
>>
>> On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines.
>> What could possibly go wrong?
>>
>> http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/
>> drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What can Brown do for you?
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-
>> it-all-up-1792586968
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is pretty badass.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/
>> 21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-
>> with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

fresh infants... but mothers get all pissy when you use them as bait

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You would think that there is some kind of hog bait that they cannot
> resist.  Have them fall down a hole full of carbon dioxide.  Once a day
> haul them to the dog food factory.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for feral
> hogs, i believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons
> i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video
>> game.
>>
>> *From:* Dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>> OMG really!
>> Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target
>> eliminator :)
>>
>>
>> On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines.
>> What could possibly go wrong?
>>
>> http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/
>> drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What can Brown do for you?
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-
>> it-all-up-1792586968
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is pretty badass.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/
>> 21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-
>> with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

we replaced a couple of those when we took over a network once. The
company, bullguard or whatever was pretty good to deal with. I didnt like
the management software that was required for the units, java based, but it
was old. The feature set was pretty slick though. FYI fortigate gives a
decent trade in discount on watchguards

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Jordan Gregory  wrote:

> I have had great luck with watchguard. Their basic security suite for all
> of their firewalls includes comprehensive web proxying and all for a
> fraction of the cost of fortigate.
>
> Hit me up off list if you want more info.
>
> Full disclosure: we resell watchguard, so I'm biased :)
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 10:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Expensive
>> but Fortigate is excellent for this, the school can also set up a youtube
>> content account to tie into the policies to control what youtube content is
>> available and whats not
>> Expensive though as it scales
>> no ip proxy bypass, no dns control bypass, locally installed certificates
>> and you can mtm inspect ssl. Its pretty hard to get around a well
>> configured fortigate
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Any kid with any smarts at all can do direct ip to proxy with no
>>> effort.  If they want to keep the kids out of the porn, then the system
>>> must be airgapped.  No real world internet connection.  Perhaps go do
>>> google searches and cache all the stuff they would be likely to need for
>>> class room assignments, then break the connection and tell them it is on
>>> the computer... go find it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>>>
>>>
>>> No such thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this?  Then
>>> ask, what is their approved solution that they are willing to approve
>>> and/or pay for?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I
>>> would question DNS as being too simplistic.  Just recently the TV news here
>>> had a story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids
>>> school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids
>>> were using for inappropriate messages.  The idea that you can block all
>>> inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use,
>>> seems naïve to me.  So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or
>>> not?  CNN is dishonest media, should that be blocked?  What about RT?  Or,
>>> for an example of what happens when you try to censor the Internet by
>>> blocking IP addresses, look at the news stories about Cogent blocking
>>> Cloudflare IP addresses associated with Pirate Bay but also causing
>>> collateral damage to other sites sharing those IPs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools?
>>> Specially Porn block
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

I bet there's people on this list built in the 90s too.

On Feb 22, 2017 11:08 AM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

> Looks like that thing was built in the 90s.
>
> On 2/22/2017 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> http://www.c9networks.com/
>
> Full Docsis setup.  Then just throw cable modems on the end.
>
> On 2/22/2017 10:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet
> over existing rg-6 cable
>
>
> I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment
> instead of recabling.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> * www.triadwireless.net
> *
>
>
>
> “The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his
> business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

2017-02-22 Thread Timothy Steele

http://www.zyxel.com/us/en/products_services/hla3105.shtml?t=p

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 12:08 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> Looks like that thing was built in the 90s.
>
> On 2/22/2017 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> http://www.c9networks.com/
>
> Full Docsis setup.  Then just throw cable modems on the end.
>
> On 2/22/2017 10:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet
> over existing rg-6 cable
>
>
> I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment
> instead of recabling.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> * www.triadwireless.net
> *
>
>
>
> “The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his
> business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Feral hogs

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

2.5 million feral hogs
Divide that by 100.  25,000
Give 25,000 hunting permits to folks from south of the border.
If they bag 100 hogs they get to stay and work for 5 years.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

You would think that there is some kind of hog bait that they cannot resist.  
Have them fall down a hole full of carbon dioxide.  Once a day haul them to the 
dog food factory.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for feral hogs, i 
believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons 
i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video 
game.  

  From: Dave 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

  OMG really!
  Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target 
eliminator :)

  On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines. 
What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

bp

On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

  This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

  -- 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

2017-02-22 Thread Robert Andrews

If you saw some of the roads around here that UPS drivers have to drive
up, I think the UPS drivers would give you an argument. They would LOVE
to stay on the main roads and deliver to some of the off-road houses and
not get their brains beat out. And the packages would probably arrive
in better shape too...

On 02/22/2017 08:38 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That UPS drone really seems pretty dumb... so the drive pulls up in
front of your house and sends his drone out to deliver the package while
he sits there and eats donuts waiting for it to come back, or what?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs
supposedly going to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an
inordinate amount of time thinking about how to eliminate jobs with
things like drones. What’s so wrong about just hiring UPS guys to
deliver packages? Or meter readers to read your meter. We want
self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and drones to deliver our
packages and self-checkouts at the store and bank.

__ __

In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go
shoot them. But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re
scared to eat the bacon.

__ __

I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery.
Is a drone going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m
not home, or drop it on the sidewalk in the rain? Is the pizza
delivery drone going to ring the doorbell and then hover in front of
the door? Will it read the sign that says to go around to the back
door? These are all jobs that are not going to be offshored to
Mexico or China, unless that’s where they intend to hire the drone
operators.

__ __

I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars.
Or cutting up meat in slaughterhouses. But once there are no UPS
drivers or meter readers or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where
are our kids going to find jobs? Oh, right, the coal mines and
steel mills and iPhone factories are coming back.

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

__ __

Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American
flag worn as a cape on the eagle. :)

On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/

On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape.

On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

2017-02-22 Thread Keefe John


Looks like that thing was built in the 90s.


On 2/22/2017 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

http://www.c9networks.com/

Full Docsis setup.  Then just throw cable modems on the end.

On 2/22/2017 10:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.
*From:* Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do 
internet over existing rg-6 cable


I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an 
apartment instead of recabling.


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net*

*www.triadwireless.net*

**

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with 
his business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

The news report stated just that. The idea was that the drone could be
delivering one thing while the driver was delivering another.

On 2/22/2017 8:50 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I figured that they would have to drone deliver one thing while the
driver did another.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Looks like they want to park in centralized location, sort and
load the drone pickup thing while it is flying around.
Yeah, did not look like a great time saver to me.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:38 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
That UPS drone really seems pretty dumb... so the drive pulls up
in front of your house and sends his drone out to deliver the
package while he sits there and eats donuts waiting for it to come
back, or what?
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs
supposedly going to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an
inordinate amount of time thinking about how to eliminate jobs
with things like drones. What’s so wrong about just hiring
UPS guys to deliver packages? Or meter readers to read your
meter. We want self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and
drones to deliver our packages and self-checkouts at the store
and bank.

In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing
to go shoot them. But no, let’s poison them with rat poison
so you’re scared to eat the bacon.

I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package
delivery. Is a drone going to leave the package inside my
front porch if I’m not home, or drop it on the sidewalk in the
rain? Is the pizza delivery drone going to ring the doorbell
and then hover in front of the door? Will it read the sign
that says to go around to the back door? These are all jobs
that are not going to be offshored to Mexico or China, unless
that’s where they intend to hire the drone operators.

I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting
cars. Or cutting up meat in slaughterhouses. But once there
are no UPS drivers or meter readers or grocery checkers or
bank tellers, where are our kids going to find jobs? Oh,
right, the coal mines and steel mills and iPhone factories are
coming back.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an
American flag worn as a cape on the eagle. :)

On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/

On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape.

On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Mike Hammett

TPB wasn't the target. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:14:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12 




Any kid with any smarts at all can do direct ip to proxy with no effort. If 
they want to keep the kids out of the porn, then the system must be airgapped. 
No real world internet connection. Perhaps go do google searches and cache all 
the stuff they would be likely to need for class room assignments, then break 
the connection and tell them it is on the computer... go find it. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:11 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12 



No such thing. 

So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this? Then ask, what 
is their approved solution that they are willing to approve and/or pay for? 

If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I would 
question DNS as being too simplistic. Just recently the TV news here had a 
story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids 
school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids 
were using for inappropriate messages. The idea that you can block all 
inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use, seems 
naïve to me. So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or not? CNN is 
dishonest media, should that be blocked? What about RT? Or, for an example of 
what happens when you try to censor the Internet by blocking IP addresses, look 
at the news stories about Cogent blocking Cloudflare IP addresses associated 
with Pirate Bay but also causing collateral damage to other sites sharing those 
IPs. 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12 


What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block 


Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

I figured that they would have to drone deliver one thing while the driver
did another.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Looks like they want to park in centralized location, sort and load the
> drone pickup thing while it is flying around.
> Yeah, did not look like a great time saver to me.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> That UPS drone really seems pretty dumb... so the drive pulls up in front
> of your house and sends his drone out to deliver the package while he sits
> there and eats donuts waiting for it to come back, or what?
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs supposedly
>> going to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an inordinate amount of
>> time thinking about how to eliminate jobs with things like drones.  What’s
>> so wrong about just hiring UPS guys to deliver packages?  Or meter readers
>> to read your meter.  We want self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and
>> drones to deliver our packages and self-checkouts at the store and bank.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go shoot
>> them.  But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re scared to eat
>> the bacon.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery.  Is a
>> drone going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m not home, or
>> drop it on the sidewalk in the rain?  Is the pizza delivery drone going to
>> ring the doorbell and then hover in front of the door?  Will it read the
>> sign that says to go around to the back door?  These are all jobs that are
>> not going to be offshored to Mexico or China, unless that’s where they
>> intend to hire the drone operators.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars.  Or
>> cutting up meat in slaughterhouses.  But once there are no UPS drivers or
>> meter readers or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where are our kids going
>> to find jobs?  Oh, right, the coal mines and steel mills and iPhone
>> factories are coming back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American flag
>> worn as a cape on the eagle. :)
>>
>> On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Would this help?
>>
>> https://samy.pl/skyjack/
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> I want one with the american flag as a cape.
>>
>>
>> On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What can Brown do for you?
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-
>> it-all-up-1792586968
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is pretty badass.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/
>> 21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-
>> with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Mike Hammett

CIPA requires you to protect your Internet, not the Internet of others. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:44:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12 




As long as the kids have smart phones what is the point. 




From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12 


What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block 



Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

As long as the kids have smart phones what is the point.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block 

  Gino Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Jordan Gregory

I have had great luck with watchguard. Their basic security suite for all
of their firewalls includes comprehensive web proxying and all for a
fraction of the cost of fortigate.

Hit me up off list if you want more info.

Full disclosure: we resell watchguard, so I'm biased :)

On Feb 22, 2017 10:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Expensive
> but Fortigate is excellent for this, the school can also set up a youtube
> content account to tie into the policies to control what youtube content is
> available and whats not
> Expensive though as it scales
> no ip proxy bypass, no dns control bypass, locally installed certificates
> and you can mtm inspect ssl. Its pretty hard to get around a well
> configured fortigate
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Any kid with any smarts at all can do direct ip to proxy with no effort.
>> If they want to keep the kids out of the porn, then the system must be
>> airgapped.  No real world internet connection.  Perhaps go do google
>> searches and cache all the stuff they would be likely to need for class
>> room assignments, then break the connection and tell them it is on the
>> computer... go find it.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:11 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>>
>>
>> No such thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this?  Then
>> ask, what is their approved solution that they are willing to approve
>> and/or pay for?
>>
>>
>>
>> If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I would
>> question DNS as being too simplistic.  Just recently the TV news here had a
>> story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids
>> school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids
>> were using for inappropriate messages.  The idea that you can block all
>> inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use,
>> seems naïve to me.  So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or
>> not?  CNN is dishonest media, should that be blocked?  What about RT?  Or,
>> for an example of what happens when you try to censor the Internet by
>> blocking IP addresses, look at the news stories about Cogent blocking
>> Cloudflare IP addresses associated with Pirate Bay but also causing
>> collateral damage to other sites sharing those IPs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools?
>> Specially Porn block
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

Looks like they want to park in centralized location, sort and load the drone 
pickup thing while it is flying around.
Yeah, did not look like a great time saver to me.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:38 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

That UPS drone really seems pretty dumb... so the drive pulls up in front of 
your house and sends his drone out to deliver the package while he sits there 
and eats donuts waiting for it to come back, or what? 

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs supposedly going 
to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking 
about how to eliminate jobs with things like drones.  What’s so wrong about 
just hiring UPS guys to deliver packages?  Or meter readers to read your meter. 
 We want self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and drones to deliver our 
packages and self-checkouts at the store and bank.

  In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go shoot 
them.  But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re scared to eat the 
bacon.

  I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery.  Is a 
drone going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m not home, or drop 
it on the sidewalk in the rain?  Is the pizza delivery drone going to ring the 
doorbell and then hover in front of the door?  Will it read the sign that says 
to go around to the back door?  These are all jobs that are not going to be 
offshored to Mexico or China, unless that’s where they intend to hire the drone 
operators.

  I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars.  Or 
cutting up meat in slaughterhouses.  But once there are no UPS drivers or meter 
readers or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where are our kids going to find 
jobs?  Oh, right, the coal mines and steel mills and iPhone factories are 
coming back.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

  Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American flag worn 
as a cape on the eagle. :)

  On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/

On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

  I want one with the american flag as a cape. 

  On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

  -- 

  --

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers

2017-02-22 Thread George Skorup

Have you looked at the Shireen DFP-1246? Or give Best-Tronics a call and 
see what they can make for you?

On 2/22/2017 9:41 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Keep me posted.  This is the last piece of the 'fiber to the radios' 
question it sounds like nobody has an answer for yet.

On 2/22/2017 9:35 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers Nate,

Haven't seen these in person yet.  Rep is coming down in a few weeks, 
so we can get a hands on.

/--
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/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Wednesday, February 22, 2017, 12:15:22 AM, you wrote:

/

	I would probably be looking for duplex.  And how tight can you make 
the termination to the outdoor sheath?  On an Edgepoint R6, there's 
only about 3" from the SFP to the cable exit, and no space for any 
cable wrap inside.

Nate

On 2/21/2017 8:15 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers Nate,

Late to the game, but how about something like this.  I think we were 
getting pricing in the low $40 range for 20' pre-terminated simplex.

/--
Best regards,
Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
/www.MyakkaTech.com 

/Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
/http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

/Please Donate at Please Donate at /http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 6:10:14 PM, you wrote:

/

I'm in a web chat with them now, and that's what they are recommending.

However they gave me a price of $80 each for 5m and yes, Minimum 
order quantity of 1km.

I'm thinking about getting some UV Resistant Heat shrink tubing, and 
putting it around a regular patch cable.  Any reason that would not work?

On 2/14/2017 4:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I asked them before about it and they can make some:

LC/UPC to LC/UPC Duplex Singlemode Waterproof Fiber Patch Cable with 
PE (UV protected) jacket.

Length- *3m
*Breakout Length-0.5m
Outlet: 2.4mm

Unit Price: *$16.54

*However, minimum order quantity is 1000 meters.. heh.

They also said the armored cable isn't recommended to be used outdoors.

Speaking of outdoor pre-made cables.. anybody got a source for 
outdoor shielded cat6 patch cables? I’d like to try some of these 
F-POEs out.

On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Armored PVC (OFNR) Patch Cable?ï¿½ Doesn't say anything out 
indoor/outdoor rating.ï¿½ Unless I'm not in the right place.ï¿½

On 2/14/2017 1:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Fiberstore.com ?

On 2/14/17, 3:20 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"  wrote:

>Does anyone have a source for outdoor rated patch fiber patch cables?
>Like 10' or 20' SC/LC cables to go from a fiber distribution box to a
>radio.ï¿½ Or are all patch cables inherently UV resistant?ï¿½ Or 
with Fiber

>does it not matter.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

2017-02-22 Thread Mathew Howard

That UPS drone really seems pretty dumb... so the drive pulls up in front
of your house and sends his drone out to deliver the package while he sits
there and eats donuts waiting for it to come back, or what?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs supposedly
> going to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an inordinate amount of
> time thinking about how to eliminate jobs with things like drones.  What’s
> so wrong about just hiring UPS guys to deliver packages?  Or meter readers
> to read your meter.  We want self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and
> drones to deliver our packages and self-checkouts at the store and bank.
>
>
>
> In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go shoot
> them.  But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re scared to eat
> the bacon.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery.  Is a
> drone going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m not home, or
> drop it on the sidewalk in the rain?  Is the pizza delivery drone going to
> ring the doorbell and then hover in front of the door?  Will it read the
> sign that says to go around to the back door?  These are all jobs that are
> not going to be offshored to Mexico or China, unless that’s where they
> intend to hire the drone operators.
>
>
>
> I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars.  Or
> cutting up meat in slaughterhouses.  But once there are no UPS drivers or
> meter readers or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where are our kids going
> to find jobs?  Oh, right, the coal mines and steel mills and iPhone
> factories are coming back.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
>
>
> Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American flag
> worn as a cape on the eagle. :)
>
> On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>
> Would this help?
>
> https://samy.pl/skyjack/
>
>
> On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> I want one with the american flag as a cape.
>
>
> On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What can Brown do for you?
>
> http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-
> fucks-it-all-up-1792586968
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
>
>
> This is pretty badass.
>
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/
> 02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-
> them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

You would think that there is some kind of hog bait that they cannot resist.  
Have them fall down a hole full of carbon dioxide.  Once a day haul them to the 
dog food factory.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for feral hogs, i 
believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons 
i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video 
game.  

  From: Dave 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

  OMG really!
  Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target 
eliminator :)

  On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines. 
What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

bp

On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

  This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

  -- 

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Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

there are a couple companies doing helicopter hunting trips for feral hogs,
i believe you get to croak them with automatic weapons
i cant imagine what their insurance premiums are

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video
> game.
>
> *From:* Dave
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
> OMG really!
> Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target
> eliminator :)
>
>
> On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines.
> What could possibly go wrong?
>
> http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/
> 14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What can Brown do for you?
>
> http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-
> fucks-it-all-up-1792586968
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.
>
>
>
> This is pretty badass.
>
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/
> 02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-
> them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6
>
>
>
> --
>



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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

I think shooting an RPG at a feral hog would be a pretty cool live video game.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

OMG really!
Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target eliminator 
:)

On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines. What 
could possibly go wrong?

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

bp

On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

--

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.


OMG really!
Add a couple small tactical missiles and we got us a precise target 
eliminator :)



On 02/22/2017 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power 
lines. What could possibly go wrong?



http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

bp


On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6





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Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

Expensive
but Fortigate is excellent for this, the school can also set up a youtube
content account to tie into the policies to control what youtube content is
available and whats not
Expensive though as it scales
no ip proxy bypass, no dns control bypass, locally installed certificates
and you can mtm inspect ssl. Its pretty hard to get around a well
configured fortigate

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Any kid with any smarts at all can do direct ip to proxy with no effort.
> If they want to keep the kids out of the porn, then the system must be
> airgapped.  No real world internet connection.  Perhaps go do google
> searches and cache all the stuff they would be likely to need for class
> room assignments, then break the connection and tell them it is on the
> computer... go find it.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>
>
> No such thing.
>
>
>
> So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this?  Then ask,
> what is their approved solution that they are willing to approve and/or pay
> for?
>
>
>
> If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I would
> question DNS as being too simplistic.  Just recently the TV news here had a
> story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids
> school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids
> were using for inappropriate messages.  The idea that you can block all
> inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use,
> seems naïve to me.  So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or
> not?  CNN is dishonest media, should that be blocked?  What about RT?  Or,
> for an example of what happens when you try to censor the Internet by
> blocking IP addresses, look at the news stories about Cogent blocking
> Cloudflare IP addresses associated with Pirate Bay but also causing
> collateral damage to other sites sharing those IPs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>
>
>
> What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools?
> Specially Porn block
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

what could go wrong with that?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Great All we need is more drunk yahoos with aerial artillery...
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 7:23 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Hog killing drones seem like a new business opportunity.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>
>>
>> Nope.  The place I go in Carol Stream is Burrito Parrilla Mexicana, but
>> avoid the tamales.  Sad.
>>
>>
>>
>> I see Texas is in the news today:
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fearing-feral-hog-apocalypse-tex
>> as-announces-drastic-measures/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:52 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>>
>>
>>
>> Dry... Brownish yellow I think there is a place in Aurora that Ken
>> knows sells authentic stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 6:47 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has to come from a Mexican aunt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Btw, where does one find corn husks in central Illinois in February. And
>> are these green or dry?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 7:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Will try Bill, will try..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's going to cost you a masa recipe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> More Trump and Spicer crap
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>> %2F21%2Fin-one-exchange-sean-spicer-demonstrated-why-theres
>> -skepticism-about-trumps-claims-of-tolerance%2F#pt0-809010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
>> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>>
>> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
>> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> dont be obtuse
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable


http://www.c9networks.com/

Full Docsis setup.  Then just throw cable modems on the end.

On 2/22/2017 10:09 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.
*From:* Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet 
over existing rg-6 cable


I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an 
apartment instead of recabling.


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net*

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with 
his business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

Any kid with any smarts at all can do direct ip to proxy with no effort.  If 
they want to keep the kids out of the porn, then the system must be airgapped.  
No real world internet connection.  Perhaps go do google searches and cache all 
the stuff they would be likely to need for class room assignments, then break 
the connection and tell them it is on the computer... go find it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

No such thing.

So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this?  Then ask, what 
is their approved solution that they are willing to approve and/or pay for?

If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I would 
question DNS as being too simplistic.  Just recently the TV news here had a 
story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids 
school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids 
were using for inappropriate messages.  The idea that you can block all 
inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use, seems 
naïve to me.  So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or not?  CNN 
is dishonest media, should that be blocked?  What about RT?  Or, for an example 
of what happens when you try to censor the Internet by blocking IP addresses, 
look at the news stories about Cogent blocking Cloudflare IP addresses 
associated with Pirate Bay but also causing collateral damage to other sites 
sharing those IPs.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block 

  Gino Villarini

  President

  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Ken Hohhof

No such thing.

 

So ask (1) who is requiring this or (2) who is paying for this?  Then ask,
what is their approved solution that they are willing to approve and/or pay
for?

 

If this is genuinely not being pushed by some government mandate, I would
question DNS as being too simplistic.  Just recently the TV news here had a
story about parents show were shocked, shocked to discover their kids
school-issued computers allowed them to use Google Hangouts, which the kids
were using for inappropriate messages.  The idea that you can block all
inappropriate content by a simple method like what DNS servers you use,
seems naïve to me.  So, should the DNS servers let you go to Wikipedia, or
not?  CNN is dishonest media, should that be blocked?  What about RT?  Or,
for an example of what happens when you try to censor the Internet by
blocking IP addresses, look at the news stories about Cogent blocking
Cloudflare IP addresses associated with Pirate Bay but also causing
collateral damage to other sites sharing those IPs.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

 

What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools?
Specially Porn block 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

Umm Drone pilots ??
Or Robotic techs ??
Software Designers ??
Throw in the top level engineers that give these guys purpose.
Its time we adapt for the better but Lets not get lazy right!

On 02/22/2017 09:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs supposedly
going to Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an inordinate amount
of time thinking about how to eliminate jobs with things like drones.
What’s so wrong about just hiring UPS guys to deliver packages? Or
meter readers to read your meter. We want self-driving Uber cars and
robot vacuums and drones to deliver our packages and self-checkouts at
the store and bank.

In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go
shoot them. But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re
scared to eat the bacon.

I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery. Is
a drone going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m not
home, or drop it on the sidewalk in the rain? Is the pizza delivery
drone going to ring the doorbell and then hover in front of the door?
Will it read the sign that says to go around to the back door? These
are all jobs that are not going to be offshored to Mexico or China,
unless that’s where they intend to hire the drone operators.

I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars. Or
cutting up meat in slaughterhouses. But once there are no UPS drivers
or meter readers or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where are our
kids going to find jobs? Oh, right, the coal mines and steel mills
and iPhone factories are coming back.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American
flag worn as a cape on the eagle. :)

On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/

On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape.

On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment 
instead of recabling.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his 
business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] OT Spacex

Looks like it is about 10 feet off dead center... sloppy flying ;-)

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Spacex

4k version with no spam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glEvogjdEVY

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Spacex

 

http://www.space.com/35773-spacex-1st-stage-landing-captured-by-drone-video.html

[AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

I'm looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment 
instead of recabling.


Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his 
business before his competitors do." - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] OT Spacex

2017-02-22 Thread Chris Wright

4k version with no spam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glEvogjdEVY

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Spacex

http://www.space.com/35773-spacex-1st-stage-landing-captured-by-drone-video.html

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Eric Muehleisen

OpenDNS. Now owned by Cisco...for better or for worse.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> airgap the system
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12
>
> What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools?
> Specially Porn block
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

How about a drone with a flame thrower to clear trash from power lines. 
What could possibly go wrong?


   
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/17/14652556/drone-fire-garbage-powerline-china

bp


On 2/21/2017 6:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6

[AFMUG] OT Spacex

http://www.space.com/35773-spacex-1st-stage-landing-captured-by-drone-video.html

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

airgap the system

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block 


  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[AFMUG] Recommended DNS for content filtering K-12

2017-02-22 Thread Gino Villarini

What is the recommended DNS for airtight content filtering for Schools? 
Specially Porn block



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers

Keep me posted.  This is the last piece of the 'fiber to the radios' 
question it sounds like nobody has an answer for yet.

On 2/22/2017 9:35 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers Nate,

Haven't seen these in person yet.  Rep is coming down in a few weeks, 
so we can get a hands on.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2017, 12:15:22 AM, you wrote:

/

	I would probably be looking for duplex.  And how tight can you make 
the termination to the outdoor sheath?  On an Edgepoint R6, there's 
only about 3" from the SFP to the cable exit, and no space for any 
cable wrap inside.

Nate

On 2/21/2017 8:15 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers Nate,

Late to the game, but how about something like this.  I think we were 
getting pricing in the low $40 range for 20' pre-terminated simplex.

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/www.MyakkaTech.com 

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Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 6:10:14 PM, you wrote:

/

I'm in a web chat with them now, and that's what they are recommending.

However they gave me a price of $80 each for 5m and yes, Minimum order 
quantity of 1km.

I'm thinking about getting some UV Resistant Heat shrink tubing, and 
putting it around a regular patch cable.  Any reason that would not work?

On 2/14/2017 4:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I asked them before about it and they can make some:

LC/UPC to LC/UPC Duplex Singlemode Waterproof Fiber Patch Cable with 
PE (UV protected) jacket.

Length- *3m
*Breakout Length-0.5m
Outlet: 2.4mm

Unit Price: *$16.54

*However, minimum order quantity is 1000 meters.. heh.

They also said the armored cable isn't recommended to be used outdoors.

Speaking of outdoor pre-made cables.. anybody got a source for outdoor 
shielded cat6 patch cables? I’d like to try some of these F-POEs out.

	On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:

Armored PVC (OFNR) Patch Cable?ï¿½ Doesn't say anything out 
indoor/outdoor rating.ï¿½ Unless I'm not in the right place.ï¿½

On 2/14/2017 1:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Fiberstore.com ?

On 2/14/17, 3:20 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" 
on

ï¿½
*/Gino Villarini/*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

behalf of n...@blastcomm.com > wrote:

>Does anyone have a source for outdoor rated patch fiber patch cables?
>Like 10' or 20' SC/LC cables to go from a fiber distribution box to a
>radio.ï¿½ Or are all patch cables inherently UV resistant?ï¿½ Or with 
Fiber

>does it not matter.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

2017-02-22 Thread Ken Hohhof

I find it interesting that people are in a tizzy over jobs supposedly going to 
Mexico and China, yet we seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking 
about how to eliminate jobs with things like drones.  What’s so wrong about 
just hiring UPS guys to deliver packages?  Or meter readers to read your meter. 
 We want self-driving Uber cars and robot vacuums and drones to deliver our 
packages and self-checkouts at the store and bank.

 

In the case of feral hogs, it seems there are hunters willing to go shoot them. 
 But no, let’s poison them with rat poison so you’re scared to eat the bacon.

 

I’m not sure why the fascination with drones for package delivery.  Is a drone 
going to leave the package inside my front porch if I’m not home, or drop it on 
the sidewalk in the rain?  Is the pizza delivery drone going to ring the 
doorbell and then hover in front of the door?  Will it read the sign that says 
to go around to the back door?  These are all jobs that are not going to be 
offshored to Mexico or China, unless that’s where they intend to hire the drone 
operators.

 

I am all for robots that do things like welding and painting cars.  Or cutting 
up meat in slaughterhouses.  But once there are no UPS drivers or meter readers 
or grocery checkers or bank tellers, where are our kids going to find jobs?  
Oh, right, the coal mines and steel mills and iPhone factories are coming back.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

 

Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American flag worn 
as a cape on the eagle. :)



On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/




On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape. 




On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

 

This is pretty badass.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb
 

 _term=.e3dbf2132ea6

 

-- 


 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height to function well

Frequency, gain, directivity all play a part.  The normal rule of thumb is that 
if your tower did not blow over in the last big storm the antenna was not big 
enough.  

You could stick up a 1.2 GHz omni about the size of your thumb, or even a 10 
GHz beacon that would be even smaller.  
2 meter quarter wave whip is 19 inches and could be mounted on the side of the 
tower.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height 
to function well

Looking to see what type of antenna (without a lot of wind load) that a 
customer can put on an 80ft. tower.  They do not yet have their amateur license 
but working on it.  By placing an amateur radio antenna, the FCC mandates the 
local government to let them put up an 80 ft. tower.   I am not certain there 
has to be any kind of justification of what type of antenna (or anything else) 
but just in case, it would be nice to have some insight.   

 

Since I am not an amateur license holder, I am not knowledgeable on the 
subject.  At the “end of the day” once the tower is erected and final 
inspection is completed, then the customer will also put up an ePMP Force 200 
to get service from us at 6miles away.  

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers

2017-02-22 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers

Nate,

Haven't seen these in person yet. Rep is coming down in a few weeks, so we can get a hands on.

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Wednesday, February 22, 2017, 12:15:22 AM, you wrote:

I would probably be looking for duplex. And how tight can you make the termination to the outdoor sheath? On an Edgepoint R6, there's only about 3" from the SFP to the cable exit, and no space for any cable wrap inside.

Nate

On 2/21/2017 8:15 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Fiber Jumpers Nate,

Late to the game, but how about something like this. I think we were getting pricing in the low $40 range for 20' pre-terminated simplex.

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 6:10:14 PM, you wrote:

I'm in a web chat with them now, and that's what they are recommending.

However they gave me a price of $80 each for 5m and yes, Minimum order quantity of 1km.

I'm thinking about getting some UV Resistant Heat shrink tubing, and putting it around a regular patch cable. Any reason that would not work?

On 2/14/2017 4:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

I asked them before about it and they can make some:

LC/UPC to LC/UPC Duplex Singlemode Waterproof Fiber Patch Cable with PE (UV protected) jacket.
Length- 3m
Breakout Length-0.5m
Outlet: 2.4mm

Unit Price: $16.54

However, minimum order quantity is 1000 meters.. heh.

They also said the armored cable isn't recommended to be used outdoors.

Speaking of outdoor pre-made cables.. anybody got a source for outdoor shielded cat6 patch cables? I’d like to try some of these F-POEs out.

On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Armored PVC (OFNR) Patch Cable?ï¿½ Doesn't say anything out indoor/outdoor rating.ï¿½ Unless I'm not in the right place.ï¿½

On 2/14/2017 1:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Fiberstore.com ?

On 2/14/17, 3:20 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" wrote:

>Does anyone have a source for outdoor rated patch fiber patch cables?
>Like 10' or 20' SC/LC cables to go from a fiber distribution box to a
>radio.ï¿½ Or are all patch cables inherently UV resistant?ï¿½ Or with Fiber
>does it not matter.

[AFMUG] OT: Smallest amateur radio antenna that would require height to function well

2017-02-22 Thread Paul McCall

Looking to see what type of antenna (without a lot of wind load) that a 
customer can put on an 80ft. tower.  They do not yet have their amateur license 
but working on it.  By placing an amateur radio antenna, the FCC mandates the 
local government to let them put up an 80 ft. tower.   I am not certain there 
has to be any kind of justification of what type of antenna (or anything else) 
but just in case, it would be nice to have some insight.

Since I am not an amateur license holder, I am not knowledgeable on the 
subject.  At the "end of the day" once the tower is erected and final 
inspection is completed, then the customer will also put up an ePMP Force 200 
to get service from us at 6miles away.

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

Guess I need to be more specific.. I want an Eagle with an American flag 
worn as a cape on the eagle. :)



On 02/22/2017 08:30 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/



On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape.



On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2017-02-22 Thread Jaime Solorza

Great All we need is more drunk yahoos with aerial artillery...

On Feb 22, 2017 7:23 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Hog killing drones seem like a new business opportunity.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
> Nope.  The place I go in Carol Stream is Burrito Parrilla Mexicana, but
> avoid the tamales.  Sad.
>
>
>
> I see Texas is in the news today:
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fearing-feral-hog-apocalypse-
> texas-announces-drastic-measures/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:52 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
>
>
>
> Dry... Brownish yellow I think there is a place in Aurora that Ken
> knows sells authentic stuff
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 6:47 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has to come from a Mexican aunt.
>
>
>
>
>
> Btw, where does one find corn husks in central Illinois in February. And
> are these green or dry?
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 7:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Will try Bill, will try..
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's going to cost you a masa recipe
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> More Trump and Spicer crap
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%
> 2F02%2F21%2Fin-one-exchange-sean-spicer-demonstrated-why-
> theres-skepticism-about-trumps-claims-of-tolerance%2F#pt0-809010
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lol I thought that after I typed it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list with
> more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?
>
> I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. People's
> response is pretty telling about the individual.
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm so glad someone else thought that =)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> dont be obtuse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the ether
than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to the
point where it lost the original meaning.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that
> not necessary follow what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>
> Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of
> Jason McKemie  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should
> have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell
> companies' version of 5G...
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway <
>> r...@triadwireless.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>> Gino, the GPS software does work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have
>> seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their
>> fill .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
>> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>>
>>
>>
>> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>>
>>
>>
>> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
>> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
>> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
>> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
>> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
>> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
>> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
>> from your house in the country.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-
>> modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>>
>>
>>
>> Ouch…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <
>> s...@genias.net>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G
>>
>>
>>
>> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
>>
>> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
>> make their
>>
>> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.


I want one with the american flag as a cape.



On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6



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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

Looks like REV D is the one you want.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I ordered from 
CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest. 

George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step down to 30 
volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS ePMP backhaul into the 
unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would feel about 48 volts.

Thanks,

Brandon

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card.  Older cards did not play well with 
ePMP sync over power.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

Forest,

Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be able to 
try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site again. It could 
be a couple weeks before I am there again.

Here is the info:

We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 48 volts 
by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt on the truck so 
put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.

Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.

It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.

This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i  that I plugged it in place of was/ 
is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the jumpers)

These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC style ) 
suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know what I mean. 

One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues negotiation 
Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i  APs. I ended up letting it 
negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running auto negotiated gig no 
problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same 
suppression in place and same shielded cables.

Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the shielding connection 
and report back but like I said it could be a few weeks.

Thanks Brandon

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

It sounds like you covered all of your bases, especially since you plugged the 
ePMP radio in where the 450i was and it didn't work.So some of the ones 
below don't seem to apply:

What voltage are you running the injector at?

How much cable length are you running?

The ePMP radios reallly are picky about 24V and long cable runs, especially 
when it's cold out.  

This is a gigabit syncinjector, right?  If so, I won't ask you if you changed 
any jumpers in the units.

I do have one very odd request:

If these are shielded cables running up the tower, can you somehow break the 
shield on the bottom end?   A short unshielded pigtail to a keystone jack often 
works.  If you have a surge protector at the bottom, try inserting this either 
between the injector and the surge, and alternatively between the surge and the 
cable up the tower.I've had 1-2 reports that reterminating the cables with 
unshielded ends at the bottom causes otherwise unsyncable ePMP radios to 
suddenly start receiving sync.

-forrest

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

So to update this previous post.  Went to the site and confirmed that yes we 
were getting the blinking sync light on the SyncInjector feeding the ePMP APs, 
I logged into the AP that did not have GPS and set it to use the CMM3. Rebooted 
and no joy still no GPS. Frustrated I ended up unplugging the cable feeing one 
of my 450iAPs that was receiving sync from the PowerInjector Plus and plugged 
the ePMP APs cable into it. Still no joy no GPS after waiting several minutes. 
I am not sure how my 450i APs can be receiving GPS from the unit but the ePMP 
doesn’t from the same feed. 

I ended up doing a climb and relocated the antenna for the onboard GPS in the 
ePMP. It now has GPS from the onboard unit but it would still be nice to have 
the secondary over power working.

Any thoughts I am all ears.

Thanks,

Brandon

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

I don't have any CTMs. But I believe the CTM1 = CMM3 and CTM2 = CMM4.

On 2/20/2017 11:48 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

  Do you

Re: [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

2017-02-22 Thread Jon Bruce


Would this help?

https://samy.pl/skyjack/



On 2/22/2017 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:

I want one with the american flag as a cape.



On 02/21/2017 08:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What can Brown do for you?

http://gizmodo.com/ups-showcases-new-delivery-drone-fucks-it-all-up-1792586968

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Drone problem? Done.

This is pretty badass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/terrorists-are-building-drones-france-is-destroying-them-with-eagles/?tid=sm_fb_term=.e3dbf2132ea6



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Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Gino Villarini

I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that not necessary follow what 5G 
really menas and its deceptive.

Might as well call your service LTE… it provides broadband wirelessly…

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should have 
gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell companies' 
version of 5G...

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?

From: Af 
> on 
behalf of Rory Conaway 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Gino, the GPS software does work.

Rory

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have seen 
in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their fill .

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Gino Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean, despite 
spending a lot of money on them:

WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server

And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining “unlimited” 
as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm wanting people to 
think their phones will soon have gigabit download speeds.  Mobile carriers of 
course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data plans, and manufacturers like 
Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end user speed.  As well as neglecting 
to explain that all that unlicensed spectrum will only be used for urban small 
cells, not the celltower 5 miles from your house in the country.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

Ouch…

From: Af 
> on 
behalf of Stefan Englhardt 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Subject: [AFMUG] 5G

Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.

Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to make 
their
Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

2017-02-22 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I ordered from 
CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest. 

George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step down to 30 
volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS ePMP backhaul into the 
unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would feel about 48 volts.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card.  Older cards did not play well with 
ePMP sync over power.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

Forest,

Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be able to 
try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site again. It could 
be a couple weeks before I am there again.

Here is the info:

 

We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 48 volts 
by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt on the truck so 
put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.

 

Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.

 

It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.

 

This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i  that I plugged it in place of was/ 
is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the jumpers)

 

These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC style ) 
suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know what I mean. 

 

One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues negotiation 
Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i  APs. I ended up letting it 
negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running auto negotiated gig no 
problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same 
suppression in place and same shielded cables.

 

Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the shielding connection 
and report back but like I said it could be a few weeks.

 

Thanks Brandon

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

It sounds like you covered all of your bases, especially since you plugged the 
ePMP radio in where the 450i was and it didn't work.So some of the ones 
below don't seem to apply:

What voltage are you running the injector at?

How much cable length are you running?

The ePMP radios reallly are picky about 24V and long cable runs, especially 
when it's cold out.  

This is a gigabit syncinjector, right?  If so, I won't ask you if you changed 
any jumpers in the units.

I do have one very odd request:

If these are shielded cables running up the tower, can you somehow break the 
shield on the bottom end?   A short unshielded pigtail to a keystone jack often 
works.  If you have a surge protector at the bottom, try inserting this either 
between the injector and the surge, and alternatively between the surge and the 
cable up the tower.I've had 1-2 reports that reterminating the cables with 
unshielded ends at the bottom causes otherwise unsyncable ePMP radios to 
suddenly start receiving sync.

 

-forrest

 

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

So to update this previous post.  Went to the site and confirmed that yes we 
were getting the blinking sync light on the SyncInjector feeding the ePMP APs, 
I logged into the AP that did not have GPS and set it to use the CMM3. Rebooted 
and no joy still no GPS. Frustrated I ended up unplugging the cable feeing one 
of my 450iAPs that was receiving sync from the PowerInjector Plus and plugged 
the ePMP APs cable into it. Still no joy no GPS after waiting several minutes. 
I am not sure how my 450i APs can be receiving GPS from the unit but the ePMP 
doesn’t from the same feed. 

 

I ended up doing a climb and relocated the antenna for the onboard GPS in the 
ePMP. It now has GPS from the onboard unit but it would still be nice to have 
the secondary over power working.

 

Any thoughts I am all ears.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

 

I don't have any CTMs. But I believe the CTM1 = CMM3 and CTM2 = CMM4.

On 2/20/2017 11:48 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

Do you know what to select when using a CTM?

 

On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

 

If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector, then I'd say

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Hog killing drones seem like a new business opportunity.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Nope.  The place I go in Carol Stream is Burrito Parrilla Mexicana, but avoid 
the tamales.  Sad.

I see Texas is in the news today:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fearing-feral-hog-apocalypse-texas-announces-drastic-measures/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:52 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Dry... Brownish yellow I think there is a place in Aurora that Ken knows 
sells authentic stuff 

On Feb 21, 2017 6:47 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  Has to come from a Mexican aunt.

  Btw, where does one find corn husks in central Illinois in February. And are 
these green or dry?

  On Feb 21, 2017 7:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Will try Bill, will try.. 

On Feb 21, 2017 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  That's going to cost you a masa recipe

  On Feb 21, 2017 7:05 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

More Trump and Spicer crap

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F21%2Fin-one-exchange-sean-spicer-demonstrated-why-theres-skepticism-about-trumps-claims-of-tolerance%2F#pt0-809010

On Feb 21, 2017 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  Lol I thought that after I typed it.

  Not to change the subject, but also not wanting to corrupt the list 
with more politics threads, anybody here follow Milo yionopolis (sp)?

  I'm curious people's take on this guy and the current debacle. 
People's response is pretty telling about the individual.

  On Feb 21, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

I'm so glad someone else thought that =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

  On 2/21/17 10:29, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

dont be obtuse

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card.  Older cards did not play well with 
ePMP sync over power.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

Forest,

Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be able to 
try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site again. It could 
be a couple weeks before I am there again.

Here is the info:

We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 48 volts 
by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt on the truck so 
put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.

Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.

It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.

This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i  that I plugged it in place of was/ 
is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the jumpers)

These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC style ) 
suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know what I mean. 

One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues negotiation 
Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i  APs. I ended up letting it 
negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running auto negotiated gig no 
problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same 
suppression in place and same shielded cables.

Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the shielding connection 
and report back but like I said it could be a few weeks.

Thanks Brandon

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

It sounds like you covered all of your bases, especially since you plugged the 
ePMP radio in where the 450i was and it didn't work.So some of the ones 
below don't seem to apply:

What voltage are you running the injector at?

How much cable length are you running?

The ePMP radios reallly are picky about 24V and long cable runs, especially 
when it's cold out.  

This is a gigabit syncinjector, right?  If so, I won't ask you if you changed 
any jumpers in the units.

I do have one very odd request:

If these are shielded cables running up the tower, can you somehow break the 
shield on the bottom end?   A short unshielded pigtail to a keystone jack often 
works.  If you have a surge protector at the bottom, try inserting this either 
between the injector and the surge, and alternatively between the surge and the 
cable up the tower.I've had 1-2 reports that reterminating the cables with 
unshielded ends at the bottom causes otherwise unsyncable ePMP radios to 
suddenly start receiving sync.

-forrest

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

So to update this previous post.  Went to the site and confirmed that yes we 
were getting the blinking sync light on the SyncInjector feeding the ePMP APs, 
I logged into the AP that did not have GPS and set it to use the CMM3. Rebooted 
and no joy still no GPS. Frustrated I ended up unplugging the cable feeing one 
of my 450iAPs that was receiving sync from the PowerInjector Plus and plugged 
the ePMP APs cable into it. Still no joy no GPS after waiting several minutes. 
I am not sure how my 450i APs can be receiving GPS from the unit but the ePMP 
doesn’t from the same feed. 

I ended up doing a climb and relocated the antenna for the onboard GPS in the 
ePMP. It now has GPS from the onboard unit but it would still be nice to have 
the secondary over power working.

Any thoughts I am all ears.

Thanks,

Brandon

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

I don't have any CTMs. But I believe the CTM1 = CMM3 and CTM2 = CMM4.

On 2/20/2017 11:48 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

  Do you know what to select when using a CTM?

  On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

  If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector, then I'd say 
it's fine with a straight-through cat5.

  The ePMP1000 GPS radios will take 802.3af or Canopy -4/5 +7/8 at either 24 or 
48 volts. Running them at 48-56 as others have pointed out several times in the 
past is better with the cold startup and whatnot.

  The ePMP Sync radios don't do AutoSync like Canopy. You have to select 
internal (generate in Canopy terms), GPS (on-board), CMM3 or CMM4 for Sync 
Source on the Config > Radio page. You want to select CMM3 when using a 
PacketFlux injector.

  On 2/16/2017 11:58 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Thanks,

Patch between the two packetflux is 1 foot.

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

C'mon Hal.. that is a bit cruel Most of our parents (mine included) cannot 
move fast enough to deal with 'gigabit'... 

This is kind of like  When they put Nick Hogan behind the wheels of a NAS 
Car ! 

LOL! . 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:33:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

> I wonder what the recognition is of "gigabit" now? I usually test things like
> this on my parents. :-)

> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:38 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean, 
>> despite
>> spending a lot of money on them:

>> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server

>> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining 
>> “unlimited”
>> as “throttled after 22 GB”. The latest I saw is Qualcomm wanting people to
>> think their phones will soon have gigabit download speeds. Mobile carriers of
>> course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data plans, and manufacturers like
>> Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end user speed. As well as neglecting 
>> to
>> explain that all that unlicensed spectrum will only be used for urban small
>> cells, not the celltower 5 miles from your house in the country.

>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

>> Ouch…

>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Stefan Englhardt < 
>> s...@genias.net
>> >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 5G

>> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.

>> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.

>> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to make
>> their

>> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.

>> Gino Villarini

>> President

>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

To answer the question. this little nugget of history comes to mind... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txjqV6eKabs 

I love the reaction and comments from Ozzy in the video. 
I think this is a classic for our industry ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:27:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?

> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway <
> r...@triadwireless.net >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

> Gino, the GPS software does work.

> Rory

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Milholen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have seen 
> in
> a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their fill .

> Gino Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

>> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean, 
>> despite
>> spending a lot of money on them:

>> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server

>> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining 
>> “unlimited”
>> as “throttled after 22 GB”. The latest I saw is Qualcomm wanting people to
>> think their phones will soon have gigabit download speeds. Mobile carriers of
>> course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data plans, and manufacturers like
>> Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end user speed. As well as neglecting 
>> to
>> explain that all that unlicensed spectrum will only be used for urban small
>> cells, not the celltower 5 miles from your house in the country.

>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G

>> Ouch…

>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Stefan Englhardt < 
>> s...@genias.net
>> >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 5G

>> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.

>> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.

>> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to make
>> their

>> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.

>> Gino Villarini

>> President

>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> --

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I wonder what the recognition is of "gigabit" now?  I usually test things
like this on my parents.  :-)

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>
>
>
> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>
>
>
> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
> from your house in the country.
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Ouch…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <
> s...@genias.net>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
>
> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.
>
>
>
> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
> make their
>
> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: image002.png]
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

I don't see anything wrong with Mimosa calling their stuff 5G. They should
have gone ahead and called it 6G, it's effectively faster than the cell
companies' version of 5G...

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Yeah, no problem with that, but how do you call that 5G?
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of Rory
> Conaway  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:40 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Gino, the GPS software does work.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *David
> Milholen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> That sounds like a WIFI company we have here boasting the most BS I have
> seen in a while. So, happy to get sloppy seconds after customer had their
> fill .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 2/21/2017 12:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>
>
>
> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>
>
>
> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
> from your house in the country.
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-
> lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino
> Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Ouch…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  > on behalf of
> Stefan Englhardt  >
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
> >
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
>
> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.
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> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
> make their
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> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.
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> *Gino Villarini*
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> President
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> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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