Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

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>>> On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
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>>> Screenshot the message?
>>>
>>>
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>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
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>>> Suite 1337
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>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza <
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Steve Jones]

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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jason Wilson 
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> Details.
>
> On Apr 23, 2017 10:01 PM, "Jason Wilson" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2017 9:55 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Screenshot the message?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

[Steve Jones]

do i drill a hole in the saf and push the fiber in the hole and the radio
mites will just make it work? :-)
[image: Inline image 1]


On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Best solution would be to do fiber IMO.  SFP right into the RB.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks man
>>
>> i would lock it down but i dont know whats causing it, im fearful it
>> would just dump the link all together, which is fine if im on the network,
>> but if im off network (as i found out the hard way tonite) my remote access
>> to the shop drops and all the site routers ACLs limit access to the office
>> IP. I had to VPN into a contact services customer who is on our network and
>> then connect to our office so i could flip the port back on, this, btw is
>> also why i hate having to have static routes on our OSPF network,
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 100% sure a script could do that.
>>>
>>> :global interfacestats
>>> :global int "ether2"
>>> :set interfacestats value=[/interface ethernet monitor [find name=$int]
>>> as-value]
>>> :if (($interfacestats->"rate")!="1000Mbps") do={/interface ethernet
>>> disable [find name=$int]; :delay 3; /interface ethernet enable [find
>>> name=$int]}
>>>
>>> That took me a strangely long time to figure out how to do because
>>> Mikrotik scripts are friggin weird.   But there it is.  You could schedule
>>> that every xx minutes if you wanted.
>>> :delay 3; might not be necessary.  I'm not sure.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, what if you just disallow all auto-negotiation
>>> options except for 1000/F ?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 4/23/2017 10:59:17 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script
>>>
>>> we have a saf 11ghz primary link interconnecting our two upstream
>>> locations, about once every 6 or 7 months the mikrotik renegotiates to
>>> 100mbps. disable/enable the port fixes it.
>>>
>>> Ive never been able to reproduce it because it only happens once or
>>> twice a year.
>>>
>>> Is there a script i can run on the mikrotik that monitors that specific
>>> port and flaps it if it is ever not running 1gbps?
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Steve Jones]

same boat here, i used to do 5-7 jobs a day (not all installs, but i could
easily knock out 4 and be home by 7pm if i left the office by 10 even if i
ran into a shitshow, and i managed the network and handled tech support one
id get connected at each customers house)
now im happy if our guys gets 2 installs or 3 upgrades in a day (not happy,
but happy)

expectation is always higher from people who take ownership in their job,
even if they arent owners, im cursed with that affliction, most guys dont,
its just a job, it is what it is

those of us who can "see" an install before they finish the survey tend to
have minds that are always busy, we are usually the guys who cant sleep at
night because as we are closing our eyes we wonder if that crimp we made
two years ago on the job before we found out our crimper blade was dull is
going to fail, and we consider for a minute maybe we should drive over real
quick tonite and put a new end, then realize its stupid, but it doesnt
matter because by this point we are thinking about something else, and the
pillow is getting so hot. alot of guys just hit and install one step at a
time.

i also did stuff that was questionably safe like climbing a rusty 40 foot
tower with a laptop and a small battery backup in a backpack because
cellphones werent as useful and the battery market wasnt awesome. regular
guys expect if any issue whatsoever with the install tools happens they
will just call in

i went out with the current guy, hes just slow, and he talks too much, has
the problem where if his mouth is moving his hands arent. get onsite, greet
customer, always moving, get the restrictions, give them a rough idea of
intent, always moving to the inside, find where they want it, figure out
the exit, and you have your inside plan. I made the guys some good test
cables, each 70 foot long with clear markings every ten foot. run from the
inverter, mount, peak, if its warm you already terminated the top of the
outdoor cable and brought that end up with you, secure it on the way down
to the point of entry, cut and terminate it, mount the SS and plug it in.
if its cold, you know your footage from the cable markers, hop in the van
pull out the right amount of cable terminate both ends in the toasty van,
run up, plug it in, secure it on the way down, boom, youre ready to put
your ladder and outside stuff back in the van. grab the indoor cable, drill
your hole, push the cable in, go inside, drill any holes, grab your cable,
get it to the end point, terminate it, do any stapling or whatever you need
to do. go outside, terminate, plug it in the SS, seal any holes with
mastic, bam.
go inside, drop the power supply and router, add everything to the system.
train the customer for 20 minutes, move on.

nope.. not at all, Ive seen this guy on roof with a box of outdoor cable in
his hand, ive seen him take a cable up, wrap it around a radio come down
cut it to length, climb up to get it off, climb down terminate the top,
climb down terminate the bottom, climb up and secure the cable. and thats
an efficient day

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's not too much to ask for a person to do an internet install in 2-3
> hours.
> They ought to be able to hit that goal in 90 days or less.  If they
> couldn't I would try someone new.
>
> If their full time mission is doing new installations, then the goal
> should be to give them 3 per day IMO.  Drive time is a big wild card here
> of course.  If you had the luxury of installing people who are all within 5
> minute drive of each other, then you could do 4 or even 5 per day**.  I
> know because I've done it, and I'm not a super man.  I'm motivated, but
> I've seen people more motivated than me.
>
> My preference would actually be 2 per day.  It's achievable.  The
> installer has time to do a really nice job and make sure the customer is
> happy.  It's not overly stressful.  He's likely to have some extra time
> which can be used for a last minute service call, or to reorganize the van,
> or whatever.
>
> **I'll grant you I could not get up tomorrow and do 5 installs.  I'm older
> and fatter and out of practice.  Just saying it can be done.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2017 7:37:11 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
> sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to
> teach / train a new installer to work faster?
>
>
>
> We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other
> duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good
> understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he
> is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.
>
>
>
> I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where
> the speed issues were 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

[Josh Luthman]

Best solution would be to do fiber IMO.  SFP right into the RB.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> thanks man
>
> i would lock it down but i dont know whats causing it, im fearful it would
> just dump the link all together, which is fine if im on the network, but if
> im off network (as i found out the hard way tonite) my remote access to the
> shop drops and all the site routers ACLs limit access to the office IP. I
> had to VPN into a contact services customer who is on our network and then
> connect to our office so i could flip the port back on, this, btw is also
> why i hate having to have static routes on our OSPF network,
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm 100% sure a script could do that.
>>
>> :global interfacestats
>> :global int "ether2"
>> :set interfacestats value=[/interface ethernet monitor [find name=$int]
>> as-value]
>> :if (($interfacestats->"rate")!="1000Mbps") do={/interface ethernet
>> disable [find name=$int]; :delay 3; /interface ethernet enable [find
>> name=$int]}
>>
>> That took me a strangely long time to figure out how to do because
>> Mikrotik scripts are friggin weird.   But there it is.  You could schedule
>> that every xx minutes if you wanted.
>> :delay 3; might not be necessary.  I'm not sure.
>>
>> On the other hand, what if you just disallow all auto-negotiation options
>> except for 1000/F ?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 4/23/2017 10:59:17 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script
>>
>> we have a saf 11ghz primary link interconnecting our two upstream
>> locations, about once every 6 or 7 months the mikrotik renegotiates to
>> 100mbps. disable/enable the port fixes it.
>>
>> Ive never been able to reproduce it because it only happens once or twice
>> a year.
>>
>> Is there a script i can run on the mikrotik that monitors that specific
>> port and flaps it if it is ever not running 1gbps?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Josh Luthman]

Screenshot the message?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.
>

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Adam Moffett]

It's not too much to ask for a person to do an internet install in 2-3 
hours.
They ought to be able to hit that goal in 90 days or less.  If they 
couldn't I would try someone new.


If their full time mission is doing new installations, then the goal 
should be to give them 3 per day IMO.  Drive time is a big wild card 
here of course.  If you had the luxury of installing people who are all 
within 5 minute drive of each other, then you could do 4 or even 5 per 
day**.  I know because I've done it, and I'm not a super man.  I'm 
motivated, but I've seen people more motivated than me.


My preference would actually be 2 per day.  It's achievable.  The 
installer has time to do a really nice job and make sure the customer is 
happy.  It's not overly stressful.  He's likely to have some extra time 
which can be used for a last minute service call, or to reorganize the 
van, or whatever.


**I'll grant you I could not get up tomorrow and do 5 installs.  I'm 
older and fatter and out of practice.  Just saying it can be done.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2017 7:37:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway 
sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about 
trying to teach / train a new installer to work faster?




We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other 
duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good 
understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that 
he is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.




I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out 
where the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys 
ahead of time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the 
survey. Install here, wire down here, across here in through wall here 
and terminate. You could see the tower from these sites so hanging and 
tuning the radio was a breeze.




I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I 
considered a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 
hours not counting drive time.




I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers 
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not 
a single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another 
installer with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He 
came up to 3 hours for each install. So had I but we are both 
experienced.




So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and 
then took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the 
entire install. Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install 
router. I left the more experienced guy with him to answer questions 
but told him to not physically help and explained to the new guy that 
if he had questions to ask because the other guy is there to help him 
figure out a faster process and  would be talking with me after the 
install about ways to speed up the process so we can help him. I should 
mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard feelings should 
be had here. I left him at 9:00




I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on 
installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out 
three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max 
when I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the new 
guy I drove a half hour to what I considered a hard install and did it 
alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new guy.  
When I got there he was just about done with the install but the truck 
was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known 
to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork 
and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in 
did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the truck 
some.  This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I have a 
family) and also because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for the final 
install of the day.




Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last 
job.




I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 
100s of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had 
never seen I prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the 
back of the house.  Take the little giant around to the deck so I can 
access the roof.  And it’s a tripod install. So when we pull into the 
drive I point to the back of the house “that’s the back” he says okay 
and I go to ring the doorbell and say hello.  He has the new guy with 
him so he told him to help with the ladder and then instructed him to 
start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the ladder was up and the 
supervisor was at the top 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

[Steve Jones]

thanks man

i would lock it down but i dont know whats causing it, im fearful it would
just dump the link all together, which is fine if im on the network, but if
im off network (as i found out the hard way tonite) my remote access to the
shop drops and all the site routers ACLs limit access to the office IP. I
had to VPN into a contact services customer who is on our network and then
connect to our office so i could flip the port back on, this, btw is also
why i hate having to have static routes on our OSPF network,

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm 100% sure a script could do that.
>
> :global interfacestats
> :global int "ether2"
> :set interfacestats value=[/interface ethernet monitor [find name=$int]
> as-value]
> :if (($interfacestats->"rate")!="1000Mbps") do={/interface ethernet
> disable [find name=$int]; :delay 3; /interface ethernet enable [find
> name=$int]}
>
> That took me a strangely long time to figure out how to do because
> Mikrotik scripts are friggin weird.   But there it is.  You could schedule
> that every xx minutes if you wanted.
> :delay 3; might not be necessary.  I'm not sure.
>
> On the other hand, what if you just disallow all auto-negotiation options
> except for 1000/F ?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/23/2017 10:59:17 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script
>
> we have a saf 11ghz primary link interconnecting our two upstream
> locations, about once every 6 or 7 months the mikrotik renegotiates to
> 100mbps. disable/enable the port fixes it.
>
> Ive never been able to reproduce it because it only happens once or twice
> a year.
>
> Is there a script i can run on the mikrotik that monitors that specific
> port and flaps it if it is ever not running 1gbps?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

[Adam Moffett]

I'm 100% sure a script could do that.

:global interfacestats
:global int "ether2"
:set interfacestats value=[/interface ethernet monitor [find name=$int] 
as-value]
:if (($interfacestats->"rate")!="1000Mbps") do={/interface ethernet 
disable [find name=$int]; :delay 3; /interface ethernet enable [find 
name=$int]}


That took me a strangely long time to figure out how to do because 
Mikrotik scripts are friggin weird.   But there it is.  You could 
schedule that every xx minutes if you wanted.

:delay 3; might not be necessary.  I'm not sure.

On the other hand, what if you just disallow all auto-negotiation 
options except for 1000/F ?



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/23/2017 10:59:17 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

we have a saf 11ghz primary link interconnecting our two upstream 
locations, about once every 6 or 7 months the mikrotik renegotiates to 
100mbps. disable/enable the port fixes it.


Ive never been able to reproduce it because it only happens once or 
twice a year.


Is there a script i can run on the mikrotik that monitors that specific 
port and flaps it if it is ever not running 1gbps?

[AFMUG] mikrotik port monitor script

[Steve Jones]

we have a saf 11ghz primary link interconnecting our two upstream
locations, about once every 6 or 7 months the mikrotik renegotiates to
100mbps. disable/enable the port fixes it.

Ive never been able to reproduce it because it only happens once or twice a
year.

Is there a script i can run on the mikrotik that monitors that specific
port and flaps it if it is ever not running 1gbps?

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Sterling Jacobson]

I had a guy like that a few years back.

He was a satellite installer, so he should have been faster, but for the life 
of me I couldn’t get him to do installs in less than 3-5 hours each.

He was contract installer, so I paid same dollar amount per install, no overage.

Same as your guy it appears, super nice, mostly great installer.

Some things he just never really learned though, was always calling in on 
things he should have learned over the years.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

Speed comes with practice and experience and a need to be quick.

If you force him to be fast when he's not ready, be prepared to utilize your 
insurance carrier and for trips to the hospital.

One of the best installers I ever saw was absolute shit his first 9 months on 
the job. Over time he could: drive up to the building, work out the install in 
his head without getting out of the truck, start his install documentation, do 
his customer meet and greet and education, install, confirm install with 
customer, finish documentation, and leave in the time it took two moderately 
trained techs to start aligning the radio.

Some people just aren't good at it, sure.. bit you'll never know if you don't 
give people time to learn and grow.

- Josh

On Apr 23, 2017 6:37 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz" 
> wrote:
I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway sorry) . 
But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to teach / 
train a new installer to work faster?

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other duties as 
assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good understanding of 
networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he is very slow on 
installs and the primary job he was hired to do.

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where the 
speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of time with 
me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install here, wire 
down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You could see the 
tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a breeze.

I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered a 
hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not counting 
drive time.

I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers 
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a single 
thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer with me and 
asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3 hours for each 
install. So had I but we are both experienced.

So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then took 
him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire install. 
Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install router. I left the more 
experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to not physically 
help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions to ask because the 
other guy is there to help him figure out a faster process and  would be 
talking with me after the install about ways to speed up the process so we can 
help him. I should mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard 
feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00

I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on installs 
since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out three to four a 
day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when I was alone but 
never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove a half hour to what 
I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving 
back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was just about done with the 
install but the truck was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I 
have been known to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with 
paperwork and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in 
did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the truck some.  
This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I have a family) and also 
because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for the final install of the day.

Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 100s of 
installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never seen I prep 
him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the back of the house.  Take 
the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.  And it’s a 
tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the back of the house 
“that’s the back” he says 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Josh Reynolds]

Speed comes with practice and experience and a need to be quick.

If you force him to be fast when he's not ready, be prepared to utilize
your insurance carrier and for trips to the hospital.

One of the best installers I ever saw was absolute shit his first 9 months
on the job. Over time he could: drive up to the building, work out the
install in his head without getting out of the truck, start his install
documentation, do his customer meet and greet and education, install,
confirm install with customer, finish documentation, and leave in the time
it took two moderately trained techs to start aligning the radio.

Some people just aren't good at it, sure.. bit you'll never know if you
don't give people time to learn and grow.

- Josh

On Apr 23, 2017 6:37 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:

> I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
> sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to
> teach / train a new installer to work faster?
>
>
>
> We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other
> duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good
> understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he
> is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.
>
>
>
> I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where
> the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of
> time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install
> here, wire down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You
> could see the tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a
> breeze.
>
>
>
> I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered
> a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not
> counting drive time.
>
>
>
> I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers
> permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a
> single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer
> with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3
> hours for each install. So had I but we are both experienced.
>
>
>
> So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then
> took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire
> install. Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install router. I
> left the more experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to
> not physically help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions
> to ask because the other guy is there to help him figure out a faster
> process and  would be talking with me after the install about ways to speed
> up the process so we can help him. I should mention the experienced guy is
> a supervisor so no hard feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00
>
>
>
> I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on
> installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out
> three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when
> I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove
> a half hour to what I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done
> at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was
> just about done with the install but the truck was spread around the
> driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known to do this). So he was
> going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork and packing the truck he was
> going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in did the paperwork and quietly
> asked the other guy to pack up the truck some.  This was done for selfish
> reasons ( its Friday and I have a family) and also because we had a
> between 1 and 3 to hit for the final install of the day.
>
>
>
> Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.
>
>
>
> I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot
> 100s of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never
> seen I prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the back of the
> house.  Take the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.
> And it’s a tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the
> back of the house “that’s the back” he says okay and I go to ring the
> doorbell and say hello.  He has the new guy with him so he told him to help
> with the ladder and then instructed him to start an rj45 on a wire. When I
> walked out the ladder was up and the supervisor was at the top screwing
> down the tripod. I grabbed the mast, mounted the antenna and put the
> wireless unit on it to tune and scurried up the small ladder and up the
> roof. Ill make this short. We hung the gear and tuned and marked the tripod
> and I went down and he had just finished the RJ45.  In his defense he had
>  put one on a 3 foot 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[George Skorup]

If it was me, I'd clearly explain the expectations after two months of 
employment and let him know that you'll be making a decision in two 
weeks. Maybe that will motivate him. If not, don't feel bad about 
letting him go.


Honestly, 4-5 hours on an install for a new guy isn't far from normal. 
Most of our guys were there in the beginning. Usually after 3 months, 
they can hammer out an install in 2-3 hours.


Just keep in mind that everyone is different. It just takes some people 
a little bit longer to get it. What you don't want to do is let a 
potentially really good tech go.


On 4/23/2017 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway 
sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about 
trying to teach / train a new installer to work faster?


We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other 
duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good 
understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is 
that he is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.


I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out 
where the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys 
ahead of time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the 
survey. Install here, wire down here, across here in through wall here 
and terminate. You could see the tower from these sites so hanging and 
tuning the radio was a breeze.


I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I 
considered a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over 
 10 hours not counting drive time.


I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers 
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not 
a single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another 
installer with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He 
came up to 3 hours for each install. So had I but we are both experienced.


So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and 
then took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the 
entire install. Radio here, wire down here�.. in and terminate. 
Install router. I left the more experienced guy with him to answer 
questions but told him to not physically help and explained to the new 
guy that if he had questions to ask because the other guy is there to 
help him figure out a faster process and  would be talking with me 
after the install about ways to speed up the process so we can help 
him. I should mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard 
feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00


I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on 
installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock 
out three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours 
max when I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the 
new guy I drove a half hour to what I considered a hard install and 
did it alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new 
guy.  When I got there he was just about done with the install but the 
truck was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I have been 
known to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with 
paperwork and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I 
stepped in did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack 
up the truck some.  This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and 
I have a family) and also because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for 
the final install of the day.


Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 
100s of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had 
never seen I prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32�) up on the gable on the 
back of the house.  Take the little giant around to the deck so I can 
access the roof.  And it�s a tripod install. So when we pull into the 
drive I point to the back of the house �that�s the back� he says okay 
and I go to ring the doorbell and say hello.  He has the new guy with 
him so he told him to help with the ladder and then instructed him to 
start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the ladder was up and the 
supervisor was at the top screwing down the tripod. I grabbed the 
mast, mounted the antenna and put the wireless unit on it to tune and 
scurried up the small ladder and up the roof. Ill make this short. We 
hung the gear and tuned and marked the tripod and I went down and he 
had just finished the RJ45.  In his defense he had  put one on a 3 
foot scrap piece that he had confused with the rest of the wire in the 
box(  I don�t know) so this was his second end. Anyway we just ran the 
job and he stayed out of the way. This was a hard roof, tall and not 
LOS and we were done in the truck heading home in just 

[AFMUG] Did list get hacked

[Jaime Solorza]

That last post got flagged as suspicious by my phone.

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I agree.  My other installer (with 10yrs experience) is nearly as fast (mostly 
3 hrs).  He still gets confused sometimes when it is a screwball situation but 
we all do.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

Nobody will ever be as fast you. You can hope for half as fast.

Keefe
On April 23, 2017 6:54:48 PM CDT, "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
> wrote:
I am in the exact same boat. New guy is slow as cold molasses.

My installs are normally 2 hours. Maybe 3.
His are 4 or 5.  So his days are 10 hours (yay overtime).

When we work together, it seems that he just has his head up his butt and 
doesn't realize what step comes next.

Good luck!

Jim

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Brandon Yuchasz >
Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway sorry) . 
But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to teach / 
train a new installer to work faster?

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other duties as 
assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good understanding of 
networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he is very slow on 
installs and the primary job he was hired to do.

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where the 
speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of time with 
me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install here, wire 
down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You could see the 
tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a breeze.

I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered a 
hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not counting 
drive time.

I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers 
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a single 
thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer with me and 
asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3 hours for each 
install. So had I but we are both experienced.

So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then took 
him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire install. 
Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install router. I left the more 
experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to not physically 
help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions to ask because the 
other guy is there to help him figure out a faster process and  would be 
talking with me after the install about ways to speed up the process so we can 
help him. I should mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard 
feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00

I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on installs 
since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out three to four a 
day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when I was alone but 
never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove a half hour to what 
I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving 
back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was just about done with the 
install but the truck was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I 
have been known to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with 
paperwork and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in 
did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the truck some.  
This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I have a family) and also 
because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for the final install of the day.

Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 100s of 
installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never seen I prep 
him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the back of the house.  Take 
the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.  And it’s a 
tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the back of the house 
“that’s the back” he says okay and I go to ring the doorbell and say hello.  He 
has the new guy with him so he told him to help with the ladder and then 
instructed him to start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the ladder was up 
and the supervisor was at the top screwing down the tripod. I grabbed the 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Keefe John]

Nobody will ever be as fast you. You can hope for half as fast.

Keefe

On April 23, 2017 6:54:48 PM CDT, "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
 wrote:
>I am in the exact same boat. New guy is slow as cold molasses.
>
>My installs are normally 2 hours. Maybe 3.
>His are 4 or 5.  So his days are 10 hours (yay overtime).
>
>When we work together, it seems that he just has his head up his butt
>and doesn't realize what step comes next.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Jim
>
>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> Original message 
>From: Brandon Yuchasz 
>Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
>I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
>sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about
>trying to teach / train a new installer to work faster?
>
>We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other
>duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good
>understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that
>he is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.
>
>I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out
>where the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys
>ahead of time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the
>survey. Install here, wire down here, across here in through wall here
>and terminate. You could see the tower from these sites so hanging and
>tuning the radio was a breeze.
>
>I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I
>considered a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10
>hours not counting drive time.
>
>I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers
>permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not
>a single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another
>installer with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He
>came up to 3 hours for each install. So had I but we are both
>experienced.
>
>So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and
>then took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the
>entire install. Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install
>router. I left the more experienced guy with him to answer questions
>but told him to not physically help and explained to the new guy that
>if he had questions to ask because the other guy is there to help him
>figure out a faster process and  would be talking with me after the
>install about ways to speed up the process so we can help him. I should
>mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard feelings should
>be had here. I left him at 9:00
>
>I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on
>installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out
>three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max
>when I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the new
>guy I drove a half hour to what I considered a hard install and did it
>alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new guy. 
>When I got there he was just about done with the install but the truck
>was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known
>to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork
>and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in
>did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the truck
>some.  This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I have a
>family) and also because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for the final
>install of the day.
>
>Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last
>job.
>
>I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot
>100s of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had
>never seen I prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the
>back of the house.  Take the little giant around to the deck so I can
>access the roof.  And it’s a tripod install. So when we pull into the
>drive I point to the back of the house “that’s the back” he says okay
>and I go to ring the doorbell and say hello.  He has the new guy with
>him so he told him to help with the ladder and then instructed him to
>start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the ladder was up and the
>supervisor was at the top screwing down the tripod. I grabbed the mast,
>mounted the antenna and put the wireless unit on it to tune and
>scurried up the small ladder and up the roof. Ill make this short. We
>hung the gear and tuned and marked the tripod and I went down and he
>had just finished the RJ45.  In his defense he had  put one on a 3 foot
>scrap piece that he had confused with the rest of the wire in the box( 
>I don’t know) so this was his second end. Anyway we just ran the job
>and he stayed out of the way. 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Timothy Steele]

When you are new getting a good process of running the install in your head
how to deal with stupid Netgear router that lie and say they have no
internet and trying to figure out why it's slow when you are done and
figuring out you had a wire crossed all that adds a lot of time to a
install when you first start you really would have to work with the guy and
judge him by his attitude is he wanting to find better ways to get done
faster?, or is he stuck in his own ways?. Or is he just milking the jobs
because he needs over time?? Without meeting the guy none of us can give
you any real help

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017, 7:54 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> I am in the exact same boat. New guy is slow as cold molasses.
>
> My installs are normally 2 hours. Maybe 3.
> His are 4 or 5.  So his days are 10 hours (yay overtime).
>
> When we work together, it seems that he just has his head up his butt and
> doesn't realize what step comes next.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jim
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Brandon Yuchasz 
> Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
> sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to
> teach / train a new installer to work faster?
>
>
>
> We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other
> duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good
> understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he
> is very slow on installs and the primary job he was hired to do.
>
>
>
> I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where
> the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of
> time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install
> here, wire down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You
> could see the tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a
> breeze.
>
>
>
> I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered
> a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not
> counting drive time.
>
>
>
> I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers
> permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a
> single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer
> with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3
> hours for each install. So had I but we are both experienced.
>
>
>
> So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then
> took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire
> install. Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install router. I
> left the more experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to
> not physically help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions
> to ask because the other guy is there to help him figure out a faster
> process and  would be talking with me after the install about ways to speed
> up the process so we can help him. I should mention the experienced guy is
> a supervisor so no hard feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00
>
>
>
> I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on
> installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out
> three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when
> I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove
> a half hour to what I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done
> at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was
> just about done with the install but the truck was spread around the
> driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known to do this). So he was
> going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork and packing the truck he was
> going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in did the paperwork and quietly
> asked the other guy to pack up the truck some.  This was done for selfish
> reasons ( its Friday and I have a family) and also because we had a
> between 1 and 3 to hit for the final install of the day.
>
>
>
> Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.
>
>
>
> I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot
> 100s of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never
> seen I prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the back of the
> house.  Take the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.
> And it’s a tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the
> back of the house “that’s the back” he says okay and I go to ring the
> doorbell and say hello.  He has the new guy with him so he told him to help
> with the ladder and then 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I am in the exact same boat. New guy is slow as cold molasses.

My installs are normally 2 hours. Maybe 3.
His are 4 or 5.  So his days are 10 hours (yay overtime).

When we work together, it seems that he just has his head up his butt and 
doesn't realize what step comes next.

Good luck!

Jim

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway sorry) . 
But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to teach / 
train a new installer to work faster?

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other duties as 
assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good understanding of 
networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he is very slow on 
installs and the primary job he was hired to do.

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where the 
speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of time with 
me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install here, wire 
down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You could see the 
tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a breeze.

I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered a 
hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not counting 
drive time.

I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers 
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a single 
thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer with me and 
asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3 hours for each 
install. So had I but we are both experienced.

So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then took 
him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire install. 
Radio here, wire down here….. in and terminate. Install router. I left the more 
experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to not physically 
help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions to ask because the 
other guy is there to help him figure out a faster process and  would be 
talking with me after the install about ways to speed up the process so we can 
help him. I should mention the experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard 
feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00

I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on installs 
since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out three to four a 
day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when I was alone but 
never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove a half hour to what 
I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done at 12:30 and driving 
back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was just about done with the 
install but the truck was spread around the driveway ( not throwing stones I 
have been known to do this). So he was going past hour 4 at this point with 
paperwork and packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in 
did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the truck some.  
This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I have a family) and also 
because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit for the final install of the day.

Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 100s of 
installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never seen I prep 
him on it. Big ladder ( 32”) up on the gable on the back of the house.  Take 
the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.  And it’s a 
tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the back of the house 
“that’s the back” he says okay and I go to ring the doorbell and say hello.  He 
has the new guy with him so he told him to help with the ladder and then 
instructed him to start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the ladder was up 
and the supervisor was at the top screwing down the tripod. I grabbed the mast, 
mounted the antenna and put the wireless unit on it to tune and scurried up the 
small ladder and up the roof. Ill make this short. We hung the gear and tuned 
and marked the tripod and I went down and he had just finished the RJ45.  In 
his defense he had  put one on a 3 foot scrap piece that he had confused with 
the rest of the wire in the box(  I don’t know) so this was his second end. 
Anyway we just ran the job and he stayed out of the way. This was a hard roof, 
tall and not LOS and we were done in the truck heading home in just under two 
hours. But that was two guys and we ran.

Ok so this is getting long sorry about that but I just am at a 

[AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to
teach / train a new installer to work faster? 

 

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other duties
as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a good understanding of
networking, computers and even RF. The problem is that he is very slow on
installs and the primary job he was hired to do.

 

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure out where
the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site surveys ahead of
time with me and we laid out the entire installs during the survey. Install
here, wire down here, across here in through wall here and terminate. You
could see the tower from these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a
breeze.

 

I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I considered a
hard install. The second one easy.  They took him over  10 hours not
counting drive time. 

 

I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the customers
permission. Both customers were happy with him and his install and not a
single thing on the install was done incorrectly I took another installer
with me and asked him to run the time frame in his head. He came up to 3
hours for each install. So had I but we are both experienced.

 

So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster and then
took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him through the entire
install. Radio here, wire down here... in and terminate. Install router. I
left the more experienced guy with him to answer questions but told him to
not physically help and explained to the new guy that if he had questions to
ask because the other guy is there to help him figure out a faster process
and  would be talking with me after the install about ways to speed up the
process so we can help him. I should mention the experienced guy is a
supervisor so no hard feelings should be had here. I left him at 9:00

 

I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time frames on
installs since normally I have a helper on my installs and we knock out
three to four a day. I felt like I got my installs done in 3 hours max when
I was alone but never really timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove
a half hour to what I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done
at 12:30 and driving back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was
just about done with the install but the truck was spread around the
driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known to do this). So he was
going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork and packing the truck he was
going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in did the paperwork and quietly asked
the other guy to pack up the truck some.  This was done for selfish reasons
( its Friday and I have a family) and also because we had a  between 1 and 3
to hit for the final install of the day. 

 

Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the last job.

 

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked together a lot 100s
of installs together. So on the way to the install which he had never seen I
prep him on it. Big ladder ( 32") up on the gable on the back of the house.
Take the little giant around to the deck so I can access the roof.  And it's
a tripod install. So when we pull into the drive I point to the back of the
house "that's the back" he says okay and I go to ring the doorbell and say
hello.  He has the new guy with him so he told him to help with the ladder
and then instructed him to start an rj45 on a wire. When I walked out the
ladder was up and the supervisor was at the top screwing down the tripod. I
grabbed the mast, mounted the antenna and put the wireless unit on it to
tune and scurried up the small ladder and up the roof. Ill make this short.
We hung the gear and tuned and marked the tripod and I went down and he had
just finished the RJ45.  In his defense he had  put one on a 3 foot scrap
piece that he had confused with the rest of the wire in the box(  I don't
know) so this was his second end. Anyway we just ran the job and he stayed
out of the way. This was a hard roof, tall and not LOS and we were done in
the truck heading home in just under two hours. But that was two guys and we
ran.

 

Ok so this is getting long sorry about that but I just am at a loss with
this guy. I did realize on that last job I run on job sites. I always run to
the truck back from the truck and I think ahead. This guy defiantly does not
run and nothing is done with any sense of urgency. He is certainly smart and
I hate to let him go because he has other values but I don't know what I can
do to help him. He was hired to take the load off of me and I realize at the
beginning new guys are work but its been over two months now he just
recently took on jobs alone and he is not taking the load off. He is adding
to it.

 

Thoughts? 

 

Is to 

Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

[George Skorup]

That's precisely why I asked Cambium to allow us to split up AAA. 
Off-net/cloud hosted billing for SM auth & acct. On-net servers for 
GUI/telnet user management, and if you already have domain controllers 
in place, it's not a bad option for this piece.


On 4/23/2017 4:36 PM, Jon Bruce wrote:
I'm a Linux guy myself and prefer FreeRADIUS but have been instructed 
to use NPS (RADIUS on a DC).


That being said, my only real interest during this phase of the 
project is AP/SM login and not auth (that's taken care of by a 
different system right now) and I see that the upcoming firmware 
version supports these separately, so that is a perfect solution for me.


On 4/23/2017 4:23 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Curious why you want to run Radius on Windows? It's not that I'm 
anti-windows, we run a lot of stuff on 2012 Servers, but radius is 
not one of them. Sure you can do it, but you could be up and running 
with a linux box and radius in no time at all. It's a lot easier than 
having to install freeradius/mysql on windows or using some other 
like MS.


On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Jon Bruce 
> wrote:


Is anyone running Canopy with RADIUS?  Specifically with Server 2016?

I've been reading this guide:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/PMP-13-4-Microsoft-RADIUS-Support-Feature-Brief/m-p/40460


however am confused about the cert part at "Import Certificate".

Any guidance would be very much appreciated. I've used RADIUS
before but never on Windows.

Also, under "User Authentication" the link in step 1 is broken,
and I'm certain I'll get stuck there as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

[Jon Bruce]

I'm a Linux guy myself and prefer FreeRADIUS but have been instructed to 
use NPS (RADIUS on a DC).


That being said, my only real interest during this phase of the project 
is AP/SM login and not auth (that's taken care of by a different system 
right now) and I see that the upcoming firmware version supports these 
separately, so that is a perfect solution for me.


On 4/23/2017 4:23 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Curious why you want to run Radius on Windows? It's not that I'm 
anti-windows, we run a lot of stuff on 2012 Servers, but radius is not 
one of them. Sure you can do it, but you could be up and running with 
a linux box and radius in no time at all. It's a lot easier than 
having to install freeradius/mysql on windows or using some other like 
MS.


On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Jon Bruce 
> 
wrote:


Is anyone running Canopy with RADIUS?  Specifically with Server 2016?

I've been reading this guide:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/PMP-13-4-Microsoft-RADIUS-Support-Feature-Brief/m-p/40460


however am confused about the cert part at "Import Certificate".

Any guidance would be very much appreciated. I've used RADIUS
before but never on Windows.

Also, under "User Authentication" the link in step 1 is broken,
and I'm certain I'll get stuck there as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

[Cameron Crum]

Curious why you want to run Radius on Windows? It's not that I'm
anti-windows, we run a lot of stuff on 2012 Servers, but radius is not one
of them. Sure you can do it, but you could be up and running with a linux
box and radius in no time at all. It's a lot easier than having to install
freeradius/mysql on windows or using some other like MS.

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Jon Bruce 
wrote:

> Is anyone running Canopy with RADIUS?  Specifically with Server 2016?
>
> I've been reading this guide: http://community.cambiumnetwor
> ks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/PMP-13-4-Microsoft-RADIUS-Support-
> Feature-Brief/m-p/40460 however am confused about the cert part at
> "Import Certificate".
>
> Any guidance would be very much appreciated. I've used RADIUS before but
> never on Windows.
>
> Also, under "User Authentication" the link in step 1 is broken, and I'm
> certain I'll get stuck there as well.
>

[AFMUG] Windows Server 2016 NPS / RADIUS

[Jon Bruce]

Is anyone running Canopy with RADIUS?  Specifically with Server 2016?

I've been reading this guide: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/PMP-13-4-Microsoft-RADIUS-Support-Feature-Brief/m-p/40460 
however am confused about the cert part at "Import Certificate".


Any guidance would be very much appreciated. I've used RADIUS before but 
never on Windows.


Also, under "User Authentication" the link in step 1 is broken, and I'm 
certain I'll get stuck there as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Pole banding

[Jeremy]

Awesome!  Thanks!

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> By the way, my reasoning on the big washers + rod is you can use a couple
> of big fat wrenches to really lay the torque on them things.
>
> I have not tried to do this with a log, but I have repaired a square beam
> this way.  I pulled the split all the way back together with a few
> strategically placed rods and big washers.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2017 1:03:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pole banding
>
> Something like this?
> http://www.linemen-tools.com/ALUM_BAB_5848_Single_band_48_
> Buckle_1_1_4_p/alu-bab-5848.htm
> Those guys ship pretty quick.
>
> Just an idea, but on the same site look under "washers" for "curved square
> washers".  You can get 4" x 4" washers curved for poles.  Run a threaded
> rod or long bolt through the pole with a couple of those washers on each
> side.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jeremy" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/22/2017 10:44:13 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Pole banding
>
> I have a need to band some logs that are splitting, in order to slow or
> stop the process.  I have found that a lot of the power pole and utility
> companies sell products that should work, for attaching to poles.  I am
> having a hell of a time finding anywhere to actually purchase said products
> though.  Hubbell lists Codale as their local distributor, but they only
> deal with the lighting division, not Hubbell Power Systems.  They are
> having trouble reaching anyone at HPS.  Anyone have any idea where I can
> find pole banding products? such as this one:
>
> http://www.hubbellpowersystems.com/pole-line/misc/banding-pole-
> attachments/
>
>
>
>