Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

[Mathew Howard]

I don't really see how redefining "broadband" to 10/1 is a bad thing...
shouldn't that mean that other companies wouldn't (in theory, anyway) be
able to get funding to overbuild areas where we are already providing
10mbps, which they currently could, unless we have at least 25mbps?

On Sep 28, 2017 12:30 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Off the topic, but we  have a customer who keeps trying to get our cs to
> ise the term broadband. Hes limited to 6x2 and thinks (semi correctly) he
> can fule an fcc complaint if they use that word. Hes also accused us of
> violating federal monopoly laws because we have an exclusive contract on
> the grain elevator in his town.
> If i could release emails, voicemails, and call recordings from this guy
> over thelast ten years, i would win the internet and nobody in this
> industry would ever hate a customer less.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> As a note to this...
>
> "As always, you're not going to be blown away by the performance.
> You're paying $60 per month for 10Mbps downloads and 1Mbps uploads,
> which doesn't meet the FCC's definition of broadband."
>
> https://twitter.com/JRosenworcel/status/910514607743217665
>
> "#FCC proposing to lower US #broadband standard from 25 to 10 Mbps.
> This is crazy. Lowering standards doesn't solve our broadband
> problems."
>
> Why would they do such a thing?
>
> Oh, so they can get more of our tax dollars to roll out competition in
> your area. Funded by you.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > Theyre replacing a tower here five feet from the current tower. I assume
> my
> > bosses taxes are helping to fund this assholes
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2017 6:50 PM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:
> >
> > https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/att-rural-wireless-inter
> net-expands-to-9-more-states/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I need to hear the voicemails

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Off the topic, but we  have a customer who keeps trying to get our cs to
> ise the term broadband. Hes limited to 6x2 and thinks (semi correctly) he
> can fule an fcc complaint if they use that word. Hes also accused us of
> violating federal monopoly laws because we have an exclusive contract on
> the grain elevator in his town.
> If i could release emails, voicemails, and call recordings from this guy
> over thelast ten years, i would win the internet and nobody in this
> industry would ever hate a customer less.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> As a note to this...
>
> "As always, you're not going to be blown away by the performance.
> You're paying $60 per month for 10Mbps downloads and 1Mbps uploads,
> which doesn't meet the FCC's definition of broadband."
>
> https://twitter.com/JRosenworcel/status/910514607743217665
>
> "#FCC proposing to lower US #broadband standard from 25 to 10 Mbps.
> This is crazy. Lowering standards doesn't solve our broadband
> problems."
>
> Why would they do such a thing?
>
> Oh, so they can get more of our tax dollars to roll out competition in
> your area. Funded by you.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > Theyre replacing a tower here five feet from the current tower. I assume
> my
> > bosses taxes are helping to fund this assholes
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2017 6:50 PM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:
> >
> > https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/att-rural-wireless-inter
> net-expands-to-9-more-states/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

Shut up george, dont make logical sense

On Sep 28, 2017 12:25 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I thought half or most of the issue was the "edge providers"?
>
> Consumer wants edge providers' content.
> Edge provider makes money from the consumer. Advertising. The content
> itself. Etc.
> Edge provider doesn't want to pay carrier for transit.
> Both sides bitch. Peering is overloaded.
> Gov't steps in to "fix" it.
>
> Data caps and speed tiers weren't dissolved with NN. So what does it do
> for the consumer? Or for that matter, the carrier? Who does it "protect"
> other than the edge provider? Seems it's only protecting their profits.
>
> On 9/27/2017 11:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> That's pretty much how I've always seen it... NN always seemed to me more
> of a solution to a problem that people were afraid might be there someday,
> which the market would more than likely take care of by itself if it
> actually does happen, than a solution to an actual real problem.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 11:26 PM, "Jason McKemie"  com> wrote:
>
>> I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they
>> wish with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's
>> certainly possible that I'm missing something though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to
>>> come fix it?
>>>
>>> On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
 How so?

 It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
 was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
 the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
 dogged".

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>>
>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
>>> -neutrality-isp
>>>
>>>
>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the
>>> FCCs job
>>> is
>>>
>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

Fing george

On Sep 28, 2017 12:34 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Shut up george, dont make logical sense
>
> On Sep 28, 2017 12:25 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought half or most of the issue was the "edge providers"?
>>
>> Consumer wants edge providers' content.
>> Edge provider makes money from the consumer. Advertising. The content
>> itself. Etc.
>> Edge provider doesn't want to pay carrier for transit.
>> Both sides bitch. Peering is overloaded.
>> Gov't steps in to "fix" it.
>>
>> Data caps and speed tiers weren't dissolved with NN. So what does it do
>> for the consumer? Or for that matter, the carrier? Who does it "protect"
>> other than the edge provider? Seems it's only protecting their profits.
>>
>> On 9/27/2017 11:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> That's pretty much how I've always seen it... NN always seemed to me more
>> of a solution to a problem that people were afraid might be there someday,
>> which the market would more than likely take care of by itself if it
>> actually does happen, than a solution to an actual real problem.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 11:26 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they
>>> wish with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's
>>> certainly possible that I'm missing something though.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
 I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to
 come fix it?

 On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

> How so?
>
> It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
> was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
> the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
> dogged".
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>>>
>>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
 -neutrality-isp


 I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the
 FCCs job
 is

>>>

>>

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

[Steve Jones]

Off the topic, but we  have a customer who keeps trying to get our cs to
ise the term broadband. Hes limited to 6x2 and thinks (semi correctly) he
can fule an fcc complaint if they use that word. Hes also accused us of
violating federal monopoly laws because we have an exclusive contract on
the grain elevator in his town.
If i could release emails, voicemails, and call recordings from this guy
over thelast ten years, i would win the internet and nobody in this
industry would ever hate a customer less.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

As a note to this...

"As always, you're not going to be blown away by the performance.
You're paying $60 per month for 10Mbps downloads and 1Mbps uploads,
which doesn't meet the FCC's definition of broadband."

https://twitter.com/JRosenworcel/status/910514607743217665

"#FCC proposing to lower US #broadband standard from 25 to 10 Mbps.
This is crazy. Lowering standards doesn't solve our broadband
problems."

Why would they do such a thing?

Oh, so they can get more of our tax dollars to roll out competition in
your area. Funded by you.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:
> Theyre replacing a tower here five feet from the current tower. I assume
my
> bosses taxes are helping to fund this assholes
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 6:50 PM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/att-rural-wireless-
internet-expands-to-9-more-states/
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

[Rory Conaway]

Sorry guys, didn't realize this was already posted.  My bad.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

If nn had existed on day one, at wouldnt have built long lines and wed
all still be taught morse code in school... thats the only real

On Sep 27, 2017 11:50 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
> Also, if we are going to waste time on hypotheticals, why don't people
> also pause to consider how the internet of today may or may not have come
> to exist in its current form if NN was something already on the regulatory
> books the first day that it started carrying commercial traffic?
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:40 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
>
>
>
> That's pretty much how I've always seen it... NN always seemed to me more
> of a solution to a problem that people were afraid might be there someday,
> which the market would more than likely take care of by itself if it
> actually does happen, than a solution to an actual real problem.
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 11:26 PM, "Jason McKemie"  com> wrote:
>
> I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they
> wish with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's
> certainly possible that I'm missing something though.
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to
> come fix it?
>
> On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> How so?
>
> It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
> was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
> the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
> dogged".
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>
> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-
> net-neutrality-isp
>
>
> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
> is
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

Dude im drunk, as usual, and that exceeded my level of wtf did he say

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

How so?

It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
dogged".

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:
> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>>
>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-
net-neutrality-isp
>>>
>>>
>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs
job
>>> is

[AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

[Rory Conaway]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Nathan Anderson]

+1

Also, if we are going to waste time on hypotheticals, why don't people also 
pause to consider how the internet of today may or may not have come to exist 
in its current form if NN was something already on the regulatory books the 
first day that it started carrying commercial traffic?

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:40 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

That's pretty much how I've always seen it... NN always seemed to me more of a 
solution to a problem that people were afraid might be there someday, which the 
market would more than likely take care of by itself if it actually does 
happen, than a solution to an actual real problem.

On Sep 27, 2017 11:26 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> 
wrote:
I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they wish 
with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's certainly 
possible that I'm missing something though.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup 
> wrote:
I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to come fix 
it?

On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
How so?

It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
dogged".

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
Were we fucked 4 years ago?

On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.

Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp


I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
is

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.elpasoproud.com/news/fort-bliss-soldiers-deploy-to-puerto-rico-to-help-with-hurricane-relief-efforts/819790978

On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>> ships are queued.
>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>> docks or something.
>>
>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
>>> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
>>> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
>>> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
>>> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
>>> Gino yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>> 
>>>
>>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>>
>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>>
>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
>>> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
>>> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
>>> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
>>> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
>>> able to find its way onto military transport
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you
>>> could get it there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
>>> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
>>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, exactly what I said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
>>> internet service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
>>> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
>>>
>>> One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
>>> Infrastructure.
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Mathew Howard]

That's pretty much how I've always seen it... NN always seemed to me more
of a solution to a problem that people were afraid might be there someday,
which the market would more than likely take care of by itself if it
actually does happen, than a solution to an actual real problem.

On Sep 27, 2017 11:26 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they
> wish with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's
> certainly possible that I'm missing something though.
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to
>> come fix it?
>>
>> On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> How so?
>>>
>>> It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
>>> was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
>>> the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
>>> dogged".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Were we fucked 4 years ago?

 On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>
> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
>> -neutrality-isp
>>
>>
>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs
>> job
>> is
>>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Jason McKemie]

I'd think the big guys getting greedy (and being allowed to do as they wish
with their networks) would only help the smaller providers. It's certainly
possible that I'm missing something though.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to
> come fix it?
>
> On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> How so?
>>
>> It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
>> was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
>> the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
>> dogged".
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.

 Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.

 On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

>
> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
> -neutrality-isp
>
>
> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs
> job
> is
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Steve Jones]

Nah, there was some configuration options in the last firmware release of
baii. I think it was an engineers fuck you to motorola fsk, you can make
them chatter across the band at full power. It costs you the whole 1.2mbps
throughput, so i guess i wouldnt be able to run a good wisp on it, lol

On Sep 27, 2017 11:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> You need a wideband Cylink radio to knock them off the air..or an Engenius
> original long range cordless phone...they were 900mW handsets...
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Problem is, it'll still work.
>>
>> On 9/27/2017 9:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Unless i see that the web interface gives me enough insight into my
>> consumption, i can guarantee this meter and every meter in my neighborhood
>> will require visual readings. I have 3 alvarion 900mhz fhss access points
>> and subscribers that ensures that
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Some 900 MHz video transmitter can cause meters problems.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>> Faraday-cage it.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over
>>> now. I told them to call comed and raise hell
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, aren't you lucky!
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>

>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Jaime Solorza]

They are huge and scary looking..World's Toughest Jobs show had episode on
tall tower construction with these gin poles...impressive but I will not
work on them...my Superman days are long gone

On Sep 27, 2017 10:11 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

I haven't ever seen them.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Have you seen those gin poles used on large towers?  I have turned down
> high paying gigs on crews like these.  Cranes near guyed towers...not my
> cup of Tecate.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> They were "attached to the gin pole, when it collapsed and they fell".
>> Who in the hell ties off to a gin pole?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost three
>>> tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are that
>>> serve DFW area...sad...
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ouch …..



 http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-televis
 ion-tower-in-miami-gardens/



 Steve B.

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Jaime Solorza]

You need a wideband Cylink radio to knock them off the air..or an Engenius
original long range cordless phone...they were 900mW handsets...

On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Problem is, it'll still work.
>
> On 9/27/2017 9:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Unless i see that the web interface gives me enough insight into my
> consumption, i can guarantee this meter and every meter in my neighborhood
> will require visual readings. I have 3 alvarion 900mhz fhss access points
> and subscribers that ensures that
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Some 900 MHz video transmitter can cause meters problems.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> Faraday-cage it.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over
>> now. I told them to call comed and raise hell
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>> Well, aren't you lucky!
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Jeremy]

I haven't ever seen them.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Have you seen those gin poles used on large towers?  I have turned down
> high paying gigs on crews like these.  Cranes near guyed towers...not my
> cup of Tecate.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> They were "attached to the gin pole, when it collapsed and they fell".
>> Who in the hell ties off to a gin pole?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost three
>>> tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are that
>>> serve DFW area...sad...
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ouch …..



 http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-televis
 ion-tower-in-miami-gardens/



 Steve B.

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

But if therer wher a reflective wall, 180 psi (ish) would be reflected
At 1 inch it would be 179 psi


But loss isnt x over distance is it? Its percentage of power\distance?!


Put this in laymens terms and a measurable input and measurable output on
the recipient end

On Sep 27, 2017 10:51 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> If i punch water (giving it a hypothetical 2d plane) with 360 psi
> pressure, it should send 1 psi out in each 1 degree? Correct?
>  Each x distance of water absorbs y of that 1 psi?
> Say its 1psi per inch som meter would measure 0? 1/2 would measure .o5?
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:45 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> Chuck... make a water video.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Oil film on water.  The colors are due to cancellation of some
>> wavelengths.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-film_interference
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)
>>
>> Ductings easy, i can put it through a duct, if need be i make a duct out
>> of ice to show the temp and humidity.
>>
>> I can show noise with a bright light close and dim light far
>>
>> But how do i replicate cancellation. I assume water, but timing the
>> ripples might be an issue. Anybody have a reflective ripple cancellation to
>> still water video? That would be the bees knees.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 10:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
>> light moves."
>>
>> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
>> harder than others (ducting for example).
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>>
>>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>>> cancel itself out?
>>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>>> mites?
>>>
>>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>>
>>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
>>> his left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>>
>>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>>
>>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
 best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
 to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies 
 visuals?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[George Skorup]

I think Steve is saying, what was broken 4 years ago that needed NN to 
come fix it?


On 9/27/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

How so?

It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
dogged".

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

Were we fucked 4 years ago?

On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.

Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:


https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp


I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
is

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

If i punch water (giving it a hypothetical 2d plane) with 360 psi pressure,
it should send 1 psi out in each 1 degree? Correct?
 Each x distance of water absorbs y of that 1 psi?
Say its 1psi per inch som meter would measure 0? 1/2 would measure .o5?

On Sep 27, 2017 10:45 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Chuck... make a water video.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Oil film on water.  The colors are due to cancellation of some
> wavelengths.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-film_interference
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)
>
> Ductings easy, i can put it through a duct, if need be i make a duct out
> of ice to show the temp and humidity.
>
> I can show noise with a bright light close and dim light far
>
> But how do i replicate cancellation. I assume water, but timing the
> ripples might be an issue. Anybody have a reflective ripple cancellation to
> still water video? That would be the bees knees.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
> light moves."
>
> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
> harder than others (ducting for example).
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>
>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>> cancel itself out?
>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>> mites?
>>
>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>
>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
>> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>
>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>
>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[George Skorup]

Problem is, it'll still work.

On 9/27/2017 9:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Unless i see that the web interface gives me enough insight into my 
consumption, i can guarantee this meter and every meter in my 
neighborhood will require visual readings. I have 3 alvarion 900mhz 
fhss access points and subscribers that ensures that


On Sep 27, 2017 9:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Some 900 MHz video transmitter can cause meters problems.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> wrote:

Faraday-cage it.


On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they
cant walk over now. I told them to call comed and raise hell

On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"
 wrote:

Well, aren't you lucky!

On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"
 wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Chuck... make a water video.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Oil film on water.  The colors are due to cancellation of some
> wavelengths.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-film_interference
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)
>
> Ductings easy, i can put it through a duct, if need be i make a duct out
> of ice to show the temp and humidity.
>
> I can show noise with a bright light close and dim light far
>
> But how do i replicate cancellation. I assume water, but timing the
> ripples might be an issue. Anybody have a reflective ripple cancellation to
> still water video? That would be the bees knees.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
> light moves."
>
> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
> harder than others (ducting for example).
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>
>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>> cancel itself out?
>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>> mites?
>>
>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>
>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
>> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>
>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>
>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Chuck McCown]

Oil film on water.  The colors are due to cancellation of some wavelengths.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-film_interference

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

Ductings easy, i can put it through a duct, if need be i make a duct out of ice 
to show the temp and humidity. 

I can show noise with a bright light close and dim light far

But how do i replicate cancellation. I assume water, but timing the ripples 
might be an issue. Anybody have a reflective ripple cancellation to still water 
video? That would be the bees knees.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the light 
moves." 

  Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are harder 
than others (ducting for example).

  On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Laymen, laymen, laymen. 

How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can 
cancel itself out? 
Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio 
mites?

Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.

My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his 
left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.

But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk 
about how bith fingers hurt

On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

  On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Shine a flashlight through a bush. 

If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto 
roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  
wrote:

  I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. 
The best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense 
to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Chuck McCown]

I am sure there are better examples, but this gives a rough audio analogy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCB8UTePQLE

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The best 
analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense to me... 
but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

This is a nice visual, but it doesnt show anything. Water ripples is all i
can see right now to visualize. Could probably do full cancellation as well
as degrees of attennuation

Thinking out loud here...


If i had a tray of water, and a respectable camera.

If i dropped a stone on the left side, halfway up the tray, the ripple
would hit the right side directly, showing los.

I could raise and lower the left and right so it bounces off the top and
bottom, showing the reflection

Some reflections would cancel, some would even amplify.

I could drop ice logs on the top to show atmospheric reflection



I think weve worked through this to a workable solution.


Now if i wanted  to get super technical, what would i use to represent
power ( a specified pressure striking the water on the left) and represent
recieve (pressure striking the right)

I could show the whole rf gammut, couldnt i? Even down to antenna gain (the
item striking is an isotropic and if i put a focal, its antenna gain)


Seriously, one of you braniacs can do this easily

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:
> Thats line of site
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
wrote:
>>
>> Headlights on hilly area roads...you see glow as it grows and then
>> boom..brights in your eyes...
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
>>> light moves."
>>>
>>> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
>>> harder than others (ducting for example).
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones" 
wrote:

 Laymen, laymen, laymen.

 How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
 cancel itself out?
 Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
 mites?

 Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they
 understand.

 My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
 his left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.

 But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
 about how bith fingers hurt

 On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

 Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

 On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

 Shine a flashlight through a bush.

 If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
 roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

 On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:
>
> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading.
The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total
sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies
visuals?



>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Even two lights doesnt cancel, it mixes.

Remember, im looking for laymen.


This is to explain to the boss why particular customers need fired, and
then to explain to the customer why they are being fired so they dont go
nuclear on usnin our coverage area

On Sep 27, 2017 10:06 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Use two flashlights to show noise. Even better if the lights are
> slightly different colors.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > Ductings easy, i can put it through a duct, if need be i make a duct out
> of
> > ice to show the temp and humidity.
> >
> > I can show noise with a bright light close and dim light far
> >
> > But how do i replicate cancellation. I assume water, but timing the
> ripples
> > might be an issue. Anybody have a reflective ripple cancellation to still
> > water video? That would be the bees knees.
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2017 10:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >
> > "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
> light
> > moves."
> >
> > Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
> harder
> > than others (ducting for example).
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
> >>
> >> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
> >> cancel itself out?
> >> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
> >> mites?
> >>
> >> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they
> understand.
> >>
> >> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
> his
> >> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
> >>
> >> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
> >> about how bith fingers hurt
> >>
> >> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
> >>
> >> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
> >>
> >> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
> >> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
> >>
> >> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> >>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total
> sense
> >>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies
> visuals?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Josh Reynolds]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> Thats line of site
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> Headlights on hilly area roads...you see glow as it grows and then
>> boom..brights in your eyes...
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
>>> light moves."
>>>
>>> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
>>> harder than others (ducting for example).
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

 Laymen, laymen, laymen.

 How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
 cancel itself out?
 Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
 mites?

 Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they
 understand.

 My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
 his left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.

 But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
 about how bith fingers hurt

 On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

 Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

 On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

 Shine a flashlight through a bush.

 If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
 roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

 On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:
>
> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total 
> sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies 
> visuals?



>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Josh Reynolds]

How so?

It depends on which session. Sometimes we at least had lube, or there
was the threat of getting fucked, but we just hadn't been moved into
the same cell block of our admirer yet. Sometimes we just got "raw
dogged".

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> Were we fucked 4 years ago?
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>>
>> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp
>>>
>>>
>>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
>>> is

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Thats line of site

On Sep 27, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Headlights on hilly area roads...you see glow as it grows and then
> boom..brights in your eyes...
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
>> light moves."
>>
>> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
>> harder than others (ducting for example).
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>>
>>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>>> cancel itself out?
>>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>>> mites?
>>>
>>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>>
>>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
>>> his left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>>
>>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>>
>>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
 best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
 to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies 
 visuals?

>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

Were we fucked 4 years ago?

On Sep 27, 2017 9:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.
>
> Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
>> -neutrality-isp
>>
>>
>> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
>> is
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Jaime Solorza]

Headlights on hilly area roads...you see glow as it grows and then
boom..brights in your eyes...

On Sep 27, 2017 9:00 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> "Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the
> light moves."
>
> Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
> harder than others (ducting for example).
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>
>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>> cancel itself out?
>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>> mites?
>>
>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>
>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
>> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>
>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>
>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Thats for us jaime, imagine youre explaining to your grandmother why you
cant give her internet

On Sep 27, 2017 9:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Here you go Stevie..
> https://goo.gl/images/958nWE
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Look up phase cancellation
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>>
>>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>>> cancel itself out?
>>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>>> mites?
>>>
>>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>>
>>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash
>>> his left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>>
>>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>>
>>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
 best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
 to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies 
 visuals?

>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Josh Reynolds]

"Sometimes the wind blows and the leaves move. This changes where the light
moves."

Almost everything in RF can be visualized with light. Some things are
harder than others (ducting for example).

On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>
> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
> cancel itself out?
> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
> mites?
>
> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>
> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>
> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
> about how bith fingers hurt
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>
> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Steve Jones]

Unless i see that the web interface gives me enough insight into my
consumption, i can guarantee this meter and every meter in my neighborhood
will require visual readings. I have 3 alvarion 900mhz fhss access points
and subscribers that ensures that

On Sep 27, 2017 9:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Some 900 MHz video transmitter can cause meters problems.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

Faraday-cage it.


On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over now.
> I told them to call comed and raise hell
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Well, aren't you lucky!
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Jaime Solorza]

Here you go Stevie..
https://goo.gl/images/958nWE

On Sep 27, 2017 8:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Look up phase cancellation
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>
>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>> cancel itself out?
>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>> mites?
>>
>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>
>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
>> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>
>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>
>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

I understand phase cancellation, you understand phase cancellation. Now
imagine youd never seen an oscilliscope.

Visualize that

On Sep 27, 2017 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Look up phase cancellation
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Laymen, laymen, laymen.
>>
>> How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
>> cancel itself out?
>> Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
>> mites?
>>
>> Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.
>>
>> My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
>> left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.
>>
>> But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
>> about how bith fingers hurt
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Shine a flashlight through a bush.
>>
>> If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
>> roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
>>> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
>>> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Above example to get variance\variability across woul be smash the fingers
on a table, then smash the fingers in a tub of water. The finger smashing
in the wayer would have less force, theyd understand that.

I wish everybody had the mindset of those who grew up in the 50s, where
smashing fingers is ablearning tool and not assault

On Sep 27, 2017 9:49 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Laymen, laymen, laymen.

How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
cancel itself out?
Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
mites?

Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.

My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.

But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
about how bith fingers hurt

On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Shine a flashlight through a bush.

If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

Laymen, laymen, laymen.

How do i visualize the fact that the same thing at the same level, can
cancel itself out?
Beyond that, how do i show the variance factors, temp, humidity, radio
mites?

Even better would be a live display of reasonable things they understand.

My old man would be easy. Id smash his right index finger, then smash his
left, hed understand because his right finger quit hurting so much.

But i assume the soft people of today that wont work, theyll just talk
about how bith fingers hurt

On Sep 27, 2017 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Shine a flashlight through a bush.

If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Jaime Solorza]

Have you seen those gin poles used on large towers?  I have turned down
high paying gigs on crews like these.  Cranes near guyed towers...not my
cup of Tecate.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> They were "attached to the gin pole, when it collapsed and they fell".
> Who in the hell ties off to a gin pole?
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost three
>> tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are that
>> serve DFW area...sad...
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ouch …..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-televis
>>> ion-tower-in-miami-gardens/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve B.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Jaime Solorza]

Use an adjustable beam version...good way to visualize

On Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Shine a flashlight through a bush.

If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Josh Reynolds]

There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not.

Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-
> net-neutrality-isp
>
>
> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job
> is
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Josh Reynolds]

Shine a flashlight through a bush.

If you're lucky sometimes the light reflects off multiple leaves onto
roughly the same spot. (Constructive reflection)

On Sep 27, 2017 8:43 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
> best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
> to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Jeremy]

They were "attached to the gin pole, when it collapsed and they fell".  Who
in the hell ties off to a gin pole?

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost three
> tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are that
> serve DFW area...sad...
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ouch …..
>>
>>
>>
>> http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-televis
>> ion-tower-in-miami-gardens/
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Jaime Solorza]

We were working in Cedar Hills, Texas when this same company lost three
tower guys near Joe Poole Lake where all those monster towers are that
serve DFW area...sad...

On Sep 27, 2017 3:13 PM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

> Ouch …..
>
>
>
> http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-
> television-tower-in-miami-gardens/
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Jaime Solorza]

Some 900 MHz video transmitter can cause meters problems.

On Sep 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

Faraday-cage it.


On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over now.
> I told them to call comed and raise hell
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Well, aren't you lucky!
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Jason McKemie]

Faraday-cage it.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2017, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over now.
> I told them to call comed and raise hell
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  > wrote:
>
> Well, aren't you lucky!
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  > wrote:
>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

[Steve Jones]

I have a location thats solely down to multipath reflective fading. The
best analogy i have is noise cancelling headphones, which makes total sense
to me... but still the same dull look. Is there aome rf for dummies visuals?

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Jaime Solorza]

Do you need me to translate the Spanish for you?  It says "ha ha ha we got
you!"

On Sep 27, 2017 7:25 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over now.
> I told them to call comed and raise hell
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Well, aren't you lucky!
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[Steve Jones]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net-neutrality-isp


I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job is

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Steve Jones]

Already took out my brother in laws baby monitor, they cant walk over now.
I told them to call comed and raise hell

On Sep 27, 2017 8:09 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Well, aren't you lucky!

On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

>

Re: [AFMUG] &*$@

[Mathew Howard]

Well, aren't you lucky!

On Sep 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

>

[AFMUG] &*$@

[Steve Jones]

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

[Steve Jones]

Theyre replacing a tower here five feet from the current tower. I assume my
bosses taxes are helping to fund this assholes

On Sep 27, 2017 6:50 PM, "Tushar Patel"  wrote:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/att-rural-wireless-
internet-expands-to-9-more-states/

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/27/17 2:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to 
start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing 
it, such as HBO.



It's starting to get annoying though where everyone is starting to offer 
their own online streaming service and pulling their content from other 
services.


~Seth

[AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

[Tushar Patel]

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/27/att-rural-wireless-internet-expands-to-9
-more-states/

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Mathew Howard]

Directvnow has Syfy... I'm not sure if any of the others do or not, but I
would assume so.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'd like to have Syfy OTT, that's not an option yet, is it?
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:54 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I get all my favorite pay channels on OTT now.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>
>> There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to
>> start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing it,
>> such as HBO.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:38 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Sucks they don’t have discovery.   So far, only Sony and Directv Now
>>> have it.
>>>
>>> I really like slingtv but this youtube tv seems much easier to set up a
>>> series recording and find it later.
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:18 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>>
>>> Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?
>>>
>>> *From:* Roger Timmerman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>>
>>> Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your
>>> first payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my
>>> Vizio TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple
>>> TV.  Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super
>>> remote-control. As far as the interface being the best, it uses live video
>>> feeds as the thumbnail image for each live channel (this is super cool).
>>> While timeline scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of
>>> where you are while you scrub, so you can skip ads faster than any other
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge
>>> advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing
>>> relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps
>>> Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts)
>>> for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's
>>> about $30 less than the non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes,
>>> not to mention the hassle of dealing with local broadcast retransmission
>>> agreements and network channel distribution rights agreements which is far
>>> worse than dealing with the mafia.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Roger Timmerman" 
 To: 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
 Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

 We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
 partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
 However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
 OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
 much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
 think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
 channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
 sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
 if available in your area.

 Roger

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will
> be able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
> -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>
>> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>
>> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and
>> still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast
>> and needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT
>> handle packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like 
>> netflix
>> where it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
>>> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
>>> are you working with?
>>> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Jason McKemie]

I'd like to have Syfy OTT, that's not an option yet, is it?

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:54 PM,  wrote:

> I get all my favorite pay channels on OTT now.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to
> start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing it,
> such as HBO.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:38 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Sucks they don’t have discovery.   So far, only Sony and Directv Now have
>> it.
>>
>> I really like slingtv but this youtube tv seems much easier to set up a
>> series recording and find it later.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:18 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>
>> Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?
>>
>> *From:* Roger Timmerman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>
>> Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your
>> first payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my
>> Vizio TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple
>> TV.  Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super
>> remote-control. As far as the interface being the best, it uses live video
>> feeds as the thumbnail image for each live channel (this is super cool).
>> While timeline scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of
>> where you are while you scrub, so you can skip ads faster than any other
>> interface.
>>
>> In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge
>> advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing
>> relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps
>> Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts)
>> for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's
>> about $30 less than the non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes,
>> not to mention the hassle of dealing with local broadcast retransmission
>> agreements and network channel distribution rights agreements which is far
>> worse than dealing with the mafia.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Roger Timmerman" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>> Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
>>>
>>> We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
>>> partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
>>> However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
>>> OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
>>> much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
>>> think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
>>> channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
>>> sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
>>> if available in your area.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will
 be able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.

 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
 -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411


 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and
> still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast
> and needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT
> handle packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like 
> netflix
> where it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
>> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
>> are you working with?
>> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
>> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
>> some video with our higher tier package.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

I get all my favorite pay channels on OTT now.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to start 
selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing it, such as 
HBO.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:38 PM,  wrote:

  Sucks they don’t have discovery.   So far, only Sony and Directv Now have it. 
 

  I really like slingtv but this youtube tv seems much easier to set up a 
series recording and find it later.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?

  From: Roger Timmerman 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

  In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

  Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 

  
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and 
still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and 
needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle 
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it 
goes to lower quality or buffers nicely. 

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

  Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
  If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
  We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
  Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Jason McKemie]

There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to
start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few networks are already doing it,
such as HBO.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 4:38 PM,  wrote:

> Sucks they don’t have discovery.   So far, only Sony and Directv Now have
> it.
>
> I really like slingtv but this youtube tv seems much easier to set up a
> series recording and find it later.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?
>
> *From:* Roger Timmerman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first
> payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio
> TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.
> Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As
> far as the interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the
> thumbnail image for each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline
> scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are
> while you scrub, so you can skip ads faster than any other interface.
>
> In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge
> advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing
> relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps
> Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts)
> for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's
> about $30 less than the non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes,
> not to mention the hassle of dealing with local broadcast retransmission
> agreements and network channel distribution rights agreements which is far
> worse than dealing with the mafia.
>
> Roger
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Roger Timmerman" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>> Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
>>
>> We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
>> partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
>> However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
>> OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
>> much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
>> think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
>> channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
>> sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
>> if available in your area.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
>>> able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>>>
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
>>> -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.

 *From:* Chris Fabien
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

 We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and
 still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast
 and needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT
 handle packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix
 where it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
> are you working with?
> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
> some video with our higher tier package.
>
>
> --
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

Sucks they don’t have discovery.   So far, only Sony and Directv Now have it.  

I really like slingtv but this youtube tv seems much easier to set up a series 
recording and find it later.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

  IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still 
not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs 
some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet 
loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to 
lower quality or buffers nicely. 

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Roger Timmerman]

There were a few things it took me a while to find.  For a guide of what's
currently on click on the Live icon.  For future stuff, best to just search
for it.  It takes some getting used to.  I'm about a week in, and I really
like it now that I'm used to it.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM,  wrote:

> Cannot find how you can view upcoming programs for a channel.  It only
> shows the next program, but so far cannot figure how to scroll forward and
> record something in the future.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the
> plus button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of
> the record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found
> it yet.  I like the directv style of guide.
>
> *From:* Roger Timmerman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first
> payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio
> TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.
> Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As
> far as the interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the
> thumbnail image for each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline
> scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are
> while you scrub, so you can skip ads faster than any other interface.
>
> In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge
> advantage over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing
> relationship with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps
> Fiber Internet + YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts)
> for $100/mo, or 1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's
> about $30 less than the non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes,
> not to mention the hassle of dealing with local broadcast retransmission
> agreements and network channel distribution rights agreements which is far
> worse than dealing with the mafia.
>
> Roger
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Roger Timmerman" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>> Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
>>
>> We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
>> partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
>> However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
>> OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
>> much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
>> think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
>> channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
>> sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
>> if available in your area.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
>>> able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>>>
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
>>> -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.

 *From:* Chris Fabien
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

 We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and
 still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast
 and needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT
 handle packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix
 where it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.

 On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
> are you working with?
> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
> some video with our higher tier package.
>
>
> --
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

Roger, how do  you get the bundling deal?  Can you buy wholesale or what?

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

  IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still 
not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs 
some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet 
loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to 
lower quality or buffers nicely. 

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

Cannot find how you can view upcoming programs for a channel.  It only shows 
the next program, but so far cannot figure how to scroll forward and record 
something in the future.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the plus 
button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.  

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

  IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still 
not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs 
some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet 
loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to 
lower quality or buffers nicely. 

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



-- 

[AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

[Wireless Administrator]

Ouch ...

 

http://wsvn.com/news/local/3-dead-after-falling-from-television-tower-in-mia
mi-gardens/

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the plus 
button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.  

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface. 

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.


Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


  What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Roger Timmerman" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
  Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

  We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, 
Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system 
I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area. 

  Roger

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be 
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices. 


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

  IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

  We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still 
not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs 
some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet 
loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to 
lower quality or buffers nicely. 

  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Roger Timmerman]

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio
TV that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.
Basically, you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As
far as the interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the
thumbnail image for each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline
scrubbing through a DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are
while you scrub, so you can skip ads faster than any other interface.

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship
with YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet +
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or
1Gbps Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less
than the non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention
the hassle of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and
network channel distribution rights agreements which is far worse than
dealing with the mafia.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Roger Timmerman" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
> Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
>
> We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
> partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
> However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
> OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
> much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
> think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
> channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
> sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
> if available in your area.
>
> Roger
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
>> able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
>> -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>>
>>> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still
>>> not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and
>>> needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
>>> packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where
>>> it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
 If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
 are you working with?
 We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
 Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
 some video with our higher tier package.


 --

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Layne Sisk]

One of the problems you will see is that when using OTT, as it is defined by 
the carriers, is that some of the most important content is not now nor will it 
be available for at least the foreseeable future.  OTT as they define it is 
available over the open internet similar to what Sling and Vue are doing.  
Getting OTT rights from stations who don’t even have those rights from the 
national networks, is a problem.  Often national networks can’t provide it 
either because they don’t have it for some of the content (read NFL here).

At Real Choice we decided that model was not the one we wanted to pursue.  IPTV 
is different in that it is only provided over a closed network.  It:

  1.  Is easier to control the quality of the delivery
  2.  Allows you to provide all the content (if you read the small print there 
are a number of programs that are blacked out for Vue, Sling, YouTubeTV and 
others).
  3.  Allows you to insert your own programming.
  4.  Provides an additional source of income.

We can currently provide some programming OTT, and I believe over time that 
will grow, but our decision was to provide the content people wanted on a 
closed network and move to OTT as it was possible to do so.  OTT providers 
decided to provide whatever content they could get OTT, and then go back and 
try to get the rights to add what people want.  Different approaches to the 
same problem, with one important difference, those OTT providers will not give 
you a piece of the pie.

Come to the session IPTV- To do or not to do, at Wispapalooza, we will have 
lots of good info for you there!

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
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[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.

--
[cid:image005.jpg@01D33792.655AAAB0]

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Joe Novak]

It doesn't look like much of anything just yet Android based boxes for
the most part it looks like.

https://support.google.com/youtubetv/answer/7129767?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid=en

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Roger Timmerman" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
> Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM
>
> We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
> partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
> However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
> OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
> much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
> think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
> channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
> sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
> if available in your area.
>
> Roger
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
>> able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming
>> -Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>>
>>> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still
>>> not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and
>>> needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
>>> packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where
>>> it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
 If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider
 are you working with?
 We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
 Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
 some video with our higher tier package.


 --

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Roger Timmerman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 partner 
multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, Youtube 
TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system I've 
seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area.
Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be able 
to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,   wrote:




IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never 
again.  



 


From: Chris 
Fabien 

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV


 


We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and 
still not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and 
needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle 
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it 
goes to lower quality or buffers nicely. 


 

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:


Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with 
their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content 
provider are you working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for 
this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to 
provide voip and some video with our higher tier package.



-- 




 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Roger Timmerman]

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3
partner multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.
However, Youtube TV launched in our market and is way better than any other
OTT system I've seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a
much better user interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I
think it is going to take the market for OTT (local broadcast and network
channels) by storm.  I thought my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty
sweet but now I am only using Youtube TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out
if available in your area.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
> able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-
> Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>
>> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>>
>> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still
>> not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and
>> needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
>> packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where
>> it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
>>> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are
>>> you working with?
>>> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
>>> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
>>> some video with our higher tier package.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Solar Edge

[Jason McKemie]

Has anyone used this stuff?  A customer of mine has it, pretty nice solar
monitoring setup.

https://www.solaredge.com/

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Joe Novak]

Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be
able to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

> IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
>
> We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still
> not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and
> needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
> packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where
> it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
>> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are
>> you working with?
>> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
>> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and
>> some video with our higher tier package.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still not 
ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs some 
specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet loss or 
network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to lower 
quality or buffers nicely. 

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

  Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
  If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
  We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
  Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.



  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Mike Hammett]

There's not much investment to make those types of systems work (as opposed to 
DIY headends) so not a long term ROI problem. Linear TV will still have a 
significant presence for several years. 5 - 10 years at least. 


I like the quality capabilities of an on-net video solution, but anyone not 
looking at how to do OTT to phones, laptops, tablets, Rokus, etc. is doing 
themselves a disservice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:27:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV 


You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and customer 
education headaches to support a dying media model. 


On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 



Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs? 
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with? 
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package. 



-- 

[AFMUG] Chapter 63 - Tales from the Towers posted

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2017/09/27/tales-towers-chapter-63-growing-pains/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Rory Conaway]

No middleware necessary.  Everything goes back to the server.  Runs on Roku and 
Android devices.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Rory,
 Are you doing the whole middle ware thing and adding content to it?
Or, are you doing something like I mentioned ?
Thanks
Dave

On 09/27/2017 11:32 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
We will have a service announced shortly based on Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Yeah, kinda like deploying ISDN right when the internet was getting going... 
the better technology is here already.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and customer 
education headaches to  support a dying media model.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave" 
> wrote:
Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.


--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D33777.5E12C280]

--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D33777.5E12C280]

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Chris Fabien]

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still
not ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and
needs some specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle
packet loss or network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where
it goes to lower quality or buffers nicely.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are
> you working with?
> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some
> video with our higher tier package.
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Dave]

Rory,
 Are you doing the whole middle ware thing and adding content to it?
Or, are you doing something like I mentioned ?
Thanks
Dave


On 09/27/2017 11:32 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


We will have a service announced shortly based on Viva Entertainment.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Yeah, kinda like deploying ISDN right when the internet was getting 
going... the better technology is here already.


*From:*Josh Reynolds

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:27 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and 
customer education headaches to support a dying media model.


On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave" > wrote:


Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider 
are you working with?

We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.


--



--

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Rory Conaway]

We will have a service announced shortly based on Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Yeah, kinda like deploying ISDN right when the internet was getting going... 
the better technology is here already.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and customer 
education headaches to  support a dying media model.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave" 
> wrote:
Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.

--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D33773.7F610DB0]

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

Have a cousin whose husband's parents live in Puerto Rico and they have not
had contact with them?  Does Gino have email or phone service yet?

On Sep 26, 2017 10:40 PM, "Brian Webster"  wrote:

Just got an update on this request, they have enough volunteers for this
now.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-
s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort

Red Cross Asks For 50 Ham Radio Operators To Fly To Puerto Rico

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Colin Stanners 
wrote:
> (I'm trimming the excess replies as those are getting out of control)
>
> MarineTraffic shows very few ships around the island. Either that is
> because most of the AIS radio receiving stations on Puerto Rico are
> damaged / offline (still possible), or because no ships are going
> there until the ports are fixed/cleared.
>
> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-66.5/centery:18.2/z
> oom:9
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Steve Jones
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there
>> are boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even
>> just lack of docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled
>> ships in the few areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking
>> at this through landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options.
>> The military is leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians.
>> 3 million people is a lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone.
>> then distribution if you do get it to land. what do you send, and in
>> what order when the fuel is running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so
they fill the lots cause they don't have fuel?
>> food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are damaged or
>> impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a whole
>> article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite
>> cutting because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>>
>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
>> coverage on top of it
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies
>>> them...damn we are the most powerful country and we are dropping the
ball.
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[Steve Jones]

I talked to an airforce contact today. His recommendation was to go to the
PR air national guard with very detailed cargo information and the
reasoning it is or could be considered infrastructure/critical
infrastructure and they will get it into the transport queue. It would
probably need stateside to get to a transport facility. Once its in PR land
transport may be a whole other ballgame

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:

> If folks have not looked at a map recently, this is not a three hour
> cruise.  PR is a long way off.  Not close like Cuba.  It is way down there.
> So you need a truly ocean going vessel that is set up for spending days on
> the high seas.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update
>
> are chartered boats out of florida  an option? 15 pallets at t about 2.5
> tons might be doable on a few charters (a fishing trawler might be able to
> do it in one)
>
> not going to be cheap, but I'm guessing at this point non critical
> infrastructure shipping isn't going to be cheap
>
> btw, the less than reputable shippers are always accessible and can get
> anywhere
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I
>> could help and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I
>> would gladly help coordinate for him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the situation as of this point:
>>
>>
>>
>> He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside
>> now. I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy
>> right now. One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds.
>>
>> Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA
>> status. If anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for
>> this stuff ping me. The pallets are in CA right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet.
>> Since commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:
>>
>>
>>
>> FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of
>> critical radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the
>> storm. The agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and
>> by sea to restore essential radar, navigation and communication services,
>> and a long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.
>>
>>
>>
>> “Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today
>> [Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in
>> Puerto Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to
>> the site through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are
>> using chain saws to clear a path for themselves and the replacement
>> equipment.”
>>
>>
>>
>> FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing
>> the extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the
>> equipment is located.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I
>> are trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control
>> from a ship offshore?
>>
>> On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>> ships are queued.
>>
>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>> docks or something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

Yeah, kinda like deploying ISDN right when the internet was getting going... 
the better technology is here already.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and customer 
education headaches to  support a dying media model.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

  Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
  If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
  We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
  Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.



  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Josh Reynolds]

You'd be adding a lot of technical and financial (possibly) and customer
education headaches to  support a dying media model.

On Sep 27, 2017 10:08 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are
> you working with?
> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some
> video with our higher tier package.
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[chuck]

If leaving Miami VFR, things could change by the time you got there.  I guess 
you could always go alternate to somewhere that may have IFR capabilities, but 
I imagine surrounding islands have their own problems.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And more 
help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club here in El 
Paso that is collecting money for relief. 

 

On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I am sure he serves some critical facilities.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts for 
logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term care, 
fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be able to find 
its way onto military transport

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could get 
it there.

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not sure 
if I can get them to you fast enough to help.  

   

  From: Gino A. Villarini 

  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

   

  Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need Gens, 
COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

   

  Yep, exactly what I said.

   

 

Gino A. Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   



  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring internet 
service.

 

May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve 
our Customers, and that is how we earn a living... 

 

Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... 

One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our 
Infrastructure.

Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any left 
who are able to use the service and pay for it ? 

 

Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers 
(end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such 
functional infrastructure is of little value.

 

(I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing 
to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be 
around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a 
certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow, from 
someone, from somewhere)

 

These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true 
severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes weeks, 
sometimes months, and in some cases years !

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




  From: "Lewis Bergman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

  It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything 
else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose 
your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers 
will pay for.

   

  On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 

[AFMUG] Today on ISP Radio

[Dennis Burgess]

11am CST Bridgewave Hesham El-Adly Budget-Friendly, Carrier-Class 10Gbps 
Wireless Solutions

www.ispradio.com  :)


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[chuck]

On of my best technicians ever and tower climbers retired and moved to PR in 
between storms.  
Talk about timing...

He knows Gino.  

If you can let Gino know that Jeff Hodges is living there and will be 
attempting to contact Gino he could not find a guy better suited to provide the 
exact assistance he needs.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I could help 
and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I would gladly help 
coordinate for him.

 

Here is the situation as of this point:

 

He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside now. 
I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy right now. 
One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds. 

Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA status. If 
anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for this stuff ping 
me. The pallets are in CA right now.

 

Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet. Since 
commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the issue.

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:

 

FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of critical 
radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the storm. The 
agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and by sea to 
restore essential radar, navigation and communication services, and a 
long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.

 

“Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today 
[Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in Puerto 
Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to the site 
through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are using chain saws 
to clear a path for themselves and the replacement equipment.”

 

FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing the 
extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the equipment is 
located.

 

I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I are 
trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control from 
a ship offshore?

On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted 
the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for Harvey 
and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the problem is, 
the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and ships are queued.

  This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military bridging 
vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary docks or 
something.

   

  I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs. 
Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move high 
volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business

   

  On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

  Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

   

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

  Cooperstown, NY 13326

  (607) 643-4055 Office

  (607) 435-3988 Mobile

  (208) 692-1898 Fax
  Skype: Radiowebst

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

   

  How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And more 
help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club here in El 
Paso that is collecting money for relief. 

   

  On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I am sure he serves some critical facilities.  

   

  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

  To: 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 5ghz AP possible case water intrusion

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I have had a lot of them fail for this issue, Cambium was initially
repairing/replacing old 450AP's even ones that were out of warranty until
they realized how many I had. Then they started to say that basically since
it was out of warranty they weren't going to do anything anymore. I have an
email from Matt basically admitting that these units are going to fail in
the 4-5 year marks due to design flaw. He basically told me to drill some
holes in the bottom of the case for the water to escape if it got in. I was
so pissed at his response that I didn't even bother email him back. These
units were spec'ed at 40 year MTBF ratings and to admit that basically
after 5 years they were going to fail really got me upset especially when I
have junk Tranzeo's still out in service that are 10+ years old running
flawlessly.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> We have seen a number of them.  Usually where the gortex vent cloth wasn’t
> centered in the hole, or the retaining ring wasn’t fully staked in.   I
> usually plug the vent with mastic and leave out the plug in the timing port
> grommet.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
> >
> > yes, we've had a few..
> >
> > roland
> >
> >
> >> I'm investigating a PMP450 5ghz AP (old unit - the original ones that
> came
> > with the FSK port) that failed on the tower. RJ45 and especially RJ12
> ports
> > have white dots on the pins. Looking in the case, there seems to be
> evidence of
> > water intrusion coming from the little temperature/humidity control
> > membrane-covered hole in back. But a quick test of dripping water on the
> case
> > does not cause water intrusion in that hole. Has anyone else seen such
> issues
> > with older PMP450 APs? <
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[chuck]

I gave up once Directv Now, Playstation VUE and Sling TV hit the scene.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution. 
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[chuck]

If folks have not looked at a map recently, this is not a three hour cruise.  
PR is a long way off.  Not close like Cuba.  It is way down there.
So you need a truly ocean going vessel that is set up for spending days on the 
high seas.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

are chartered boats out of florida  an option? 15 pallets at t about 2.5 tons 
might be doable on a few charters (a fishing trawler might be able to do it in 
one)

not going to be cheap, but I'm guessing at this point non critical 
infrastructure shipping isn't going to be cheap

btw, the less than reputable shippers are always accessible and can get anywhere

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

  Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I could 
help and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I would gladly 
help coordinate for him.



  Here is the situation as of this point:



  He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside 
now. I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy right 
now. One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds. 

  Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA status. 
If anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for this stuff 
ping me. The pallets are in CA right now.



  Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet. 
Since commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the 
issue.







  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino



  Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:



  FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of critical 
radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the storm. The 
agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and by sea to 
restore essential radar, navigation and communication services, and a 
long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.



  “Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today 
[Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in Puerto 
Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to the site 
through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are using chain saws 
to clear a path for themselves and the replacement equipment.”



  FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing the 
extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the equipment is 
located.



  I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I are 
trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!



  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino



  You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control 
from a ship offshore?

  On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted 
the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for Harvey 
and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the problem is, 
the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and ships are queued.

This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military 
bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary docks 
or something.



I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs. 
Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move high 
volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business



On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems 
were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are 
not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very 
big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big 
issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: 

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Lewis Bergman]

You already do. Its called Netflix and HULU.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:08 AM Dave  wrote:

> Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
> If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are
> you working with?
> We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
> Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some
> video with our higher tier package.
>
>
>
> --
>

[AFMUG] OTT-TV

[Dave]

Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are 
you working with?

We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and 
some video with our higher tier package.



--