Re: [AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[Jeremy]

We really like the STP patch cables from directcable4less.com.  We get
unshielded patch cables from Skywalker.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:36 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I use these in 1, 2 and 3 foot: https://www.monoprice.com/prod
> uct?p_id=2125 Haven't had any bad ones in >1k. The boots aren't too stiff
> in the cold unlike some others I've used in the past.
>
> On 11/7/2017 11:41 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> Monoprice is somewhat cheaper.
>>
>> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Amazon, but I'll have to look at those others.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, 11:37 AM Jay Weekley >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Monoprice.com or Showmecables.com.  I use Showmecables because
>>> they have
>>> historically had more length selections.
>>>
>>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at
>>> in bulk
>>> > ad good prices these days?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>> >   Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>>> >
>>> >> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Rory Conaway]

Municipal wireless fails because they could not profitably fund all the talent 
and training it takes to not only start one up but to actually operate one.  I 
haven't seen a business plan that is profitable within 2 years of startup and 
that's with people willing to work 60-80 hour weeks for little or no pay.  
Imagine what those numbers look like with union costs and wages, benefits, 
etc...  

Now add in the specialization of the staff versus the multi-technical 
capabilities of a typical WISP operator and the average staff.  If people can't 
keep up, we get different people until we find those that are good for the 
business.  Municipalities don't do that and their average employee is usually 
not the best and brightest with nowhere near the motivation of private industry 
staff.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

On 11/7/17 10:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
> municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet 
> service couldn't succeed.
> 
> I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people 
> involved underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to be.
>   We could think up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I think 
> that's the root of the problem.
> 


With water and electricity if the customer has a problem on their side 
of the meter there's an entire industry of electricians and plumbers 
that will fix it or make changes. Also, the customers generally accept 
such as fact, and will call an electrician or plumber. And often the 
plumber or electrician won't be able to come out the same day.

Now with internet service, customers generally seem to expect that their 
ISP should handle everything end to end plus anything tangentially 
related to the interwebz immediately.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Adam Moffett]

I did not know that tone contained modulated data.  I just thought it 
was a noise you wouldn't ignore.


That's a fun fact to have.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same modulation 
method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV 
before the beep and thunderstorm warning.


I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring.  
Some of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage 
for power so it may need the ring first to power the display box then 
the data.


In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line monitor 
mode.

Bell 202 is correct.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, 
but

it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Brett A Mansfield]

This customer has been doing this prior to implementing the new IPs. 

The new subnet is for NJ, so I’ve submitted tickets to get that adjusted. 
Hopefully that happens soon. For some reason nobody on my new subnet can load 
ksl.com either. That seems to be the only url to have this issue so far. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Also Brett, you might want to keep in mind geo-location for your IPv4 space.
>  
> If the subnet you are using is still showing on some geo services as another 
> state or country weird things can happen with CDN routing etc.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
>  
> Thanks Mike.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Upload or download? Download, I assume?
> 
> Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
> 
> I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers 
> on the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same 
> IP address. 
> 
> 31.13.70.51
> 
> I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
> RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any 
> idea what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? 
> 
> I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
> thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
> updates do, and it’s nothing like this.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Sterling Jacobson]

Also Brett, you might want to keep in mind geo-location for your IPv4 space.

If the subnet you are using is still showing on some geo services as another 
state or country weird things can happen with CDN routing etc.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

Thanks Mike.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Upload or download? Download, I assume?

Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on 
the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP 
address.

31.13.70.51

I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea 
what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth?

I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
updates do, and it’s nothing like this.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Brett A Mansfield]

Thanks Mike.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Upload or download? Download, I assume?
> 
> Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic
> 
> I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers 
> on the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same 
> IP address. 
> 
> 31.13.70.51
> 
> I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
> RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any 
> idea what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? 
> 
> I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
> thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
> updates do, and it’s nothing like this.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Mike Hammett]

Upload or download? Download, I assume? 

Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic 

I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on 
the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP 
address. 

31.13.70.51 

I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea 
what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? 

I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
updates do, and it’s nothing like this. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

[AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Brett A Mansfield]

I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on 
the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP 
address. 

31.13.70.51

I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea 
what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth? 

I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
updates do, and it’s nothing like this.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[chuck]

Some ATAs don’t put out 48 volts.  That could be a thing.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

Is there any chance it could be a polarity problem?  If somewhere between the 
ATA and the PBX the 2 wires are reversed?


On 11/7/2017 3:42 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring.

  On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM  wrote:

Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same modulation method
as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before the beep
and thunderstorm warning.

I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring.  Some
of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage for power so
it may need the ring first to power the display box then the data.

In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line monitor
mode.
Bell 202 is correct.

-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/7/17 10:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet service 
couldn't succeed.


I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people 
involved underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to be. 
  We could think up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I think 
that's the root of the problem.





With water and electricity if the customer has a problem on their side 
of the meter there's an entire industry of electricians and plumbers 
that will fix it or make changes. Also, the customers generally accept 
such as fact, and will call an electrician or plumber. And often the 
plumber or electrician won't be able to come out the same day.


Now with internet service, customers generally seem to expect that their 
ISP should handle everything end to end plus anything tangentially 
related to the interwebz immediately.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

Is there any chance it could be a polarity problem?  If somewhere 
between the ATA and the PBX the 2 wires are reversed?


On 11/7/2017 3:42 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM > wrote:


Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same
modulation method
as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before
the beep
and thunderstorm warning.

I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first
ring.  Some
of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage
for power so
it may need the ring first to power the display box then the data.

In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line
monitor
mode.
Bell 202 is correct.

-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming
through, but
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Lewis Bergman]

I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM  wrote:

> Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same modulation
> method
> as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before the beep
> and thunderstorm warning.
>
> I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring.  Some
> of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage for power
> so
> it may need the ring first to power the display box then the data.
>
> In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line monitor
> mode.
> Bell 202 is correct.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question
>
> At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
> PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but
> it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
> the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
> that older systems may be looking for?
>
> The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
> currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
> set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.
>
> Nate
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[Adam Moffett]

Option 43 is only to provide a configuration server.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:35:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


What other options are available for option43?

From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 5:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" , "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a domain 
via option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it tries 
"cnmaestro.domain"


My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for 
CnMaestro then it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in theory, 
if we're plugging in one at default settings it should get the URL from 
DHCP.






Gino A. Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro 
value="'https://X.X.X.X'"



On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on 
ePMP?


I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these 
instructions:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26 



Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is 
never actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP 
renewal or a reboot.  I can confirm via packet capture the options 
are being sent to the ePMP.  I don't see any attempt to connect to 
the CnMaestro server on premises, but I do see them doing DNS 
lookups for cloud.cambiumnetworks.com 
.

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[chuck]

Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same modulation method 
as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before the beep 
and thunderstorm warning.


I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring.  Some 
of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage for power so 
it may need the ring first to power the display box then the data.


In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line monitor 
mode.

Bell 202 is correct.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.

Nate 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[George Skorup]

Of course you do have to update the SMs to 15.1+ first.

On 11/7/2017 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

450 might be the only system that really nailed that.


-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" >

To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:36:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

This is kinda moot to me since ePMP can't do ICC like Canopy. So we 
have to pre-config ePMP SMs anyway (so that our WPA key matches for 
registration), so we might as well set the cnMaestro URL while we're 
at it. Maybe it's useful in case you want to change the URL or 
something I guess.


The 450 gives us true out of box deployment. The AP now sends down 
the DNS servers and cnMaestro URL as of R15.1. That coupled with 
authentication bypass for ICC makes things fairly easy.


On 11/7/2017 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a 
domain via option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it 
tries "cnmaestro.domain"


My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for 
CnMaestro then it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in 
theory, if we're plugging in one at default settings it should get 
the URL from DHCP.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro
value="'https://X.X.X.X'"


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via
Option 43 on ePMP?

I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these
instructions:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26



Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro
URL is never actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither
on a DHCP renewal or a reboot.  I can confirm via packet
capture the options are being sent to the ePMP.  I don't
see any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro server on
premises, but I do see them doing DNS lookups for
cloud.cambiumnetworks.com .

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[Adam Moffett]

450 might be the only system that really nailed that.


-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:36:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

This is kinda moot to me since ePMP can't do ICC like Canopy. So we 
have to pre-config ePMP SMs anyway (so that our WPA key matches for 
registration), so we might as well set the cnMaestro URL while we're at 
it. Maybe it's useful in case you want to change the URL or something I 
guess.


The 450 gives us true out of box deployment. The AP now sends down the 
DNS servers and cnMaestro URL as of R15.1. That coupled with 
authentication bypass for ICC makes things fairly easy.


On 11/7/2017 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a domain 
via option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it tries 
"cnmaestro.domain"


My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for 
CnMaestro then it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in theory, 
if we're plugging in one at default settings it should get the URL 
from DHCP.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro 
value="'https://X.X.X.X'"



On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on 
ePMP?


I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these 
instructions:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26 



Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is 
never actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP 
renewal or a reboot.  I can confirm via packet capture the options 
are being sent to the ePMP.  I don't see any attempt to connect to 
the CnMaestro server on premises, but I do see them doing DNS 
lookups for cloud.cambiumnetworks.com.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[George Skorup]

This is kinda moot to me since ePMP can't do ICC like Canopy. So we have 
to pre-config ePMP SMs anyway (so that our WPA key matches for 
registration), so we might as well set the cnMaestro URL while we're at 
it. Maybe it's useful in case you want to change the URL or something I 
guess.


The 450 gives us true out of box deployment. The AP now sends down the 
DNS servers and cnMaestro URL as of R15.1. That coupled with 
authentication bypass for ICC makes things fairly easy.


On 11/7/2017 3:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a domain 
via option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it tries 
"cnmaestro.domain"


My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for 
CnMaestro then it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in theory, 
if we're plugging in one at default settings it should get the URL 
from DHCP.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro
value="'https://X.X.X.X'"


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option
43 on ePMP?

I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these
instructions:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26



Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL
is never actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a
DHCP renewal or a reboot.  I can confirm via packet
capture the options are being sent to the ePMP.  I don't see
any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro server on premises,
but I do see them doing DNS lookups for
cloud.cambiumnetworks.com .

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[Gino A. Villarini]

What other options are available for option43?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Adam 
Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 5:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a domain via 
option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it tries "cnmaestro.domain"

My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for CnMaestro then 
it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in theory, if we're plugging in one 
at default settings it should get the URL from DHCP.





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro value="'https://X.X.X.X'"


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on ePMP?

I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these instructions:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26

Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is never actually 
changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP renewal or a reboot.  I can 
confirm via packet capture the options are being sent to the ePMP.  I don't see 
any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro server on premises, but I do see them 
doing DNS lookups for 
cloud.cambiumnetworks.com.

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Adam Moffett]

That sounds like the right track.  The data is sent via some simple 
modulation coding either before the first ring or during the first ring. 
 I could imagine some scenario where the ATA sends it before the PBX is 
listeningor some crap like that.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:20:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

we had to adjust a wait time or something like that in the fortivoice 
systems when this happens


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:

The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent 
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, 
but it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be 
hitting the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs 
to be set that older systems may be looking for?


The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID 
Method, currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK 
Standard, set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those 
settings before.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Adam Moffett]

I think he means incoming.  Maybe try a different ATA.  I'm positive I 
had one or two that failed in some way that they wouldn't the send the 
caller ID data anymore.  Those were Motorola.not sure it ever 
happened to us on a Cisco.



-- Original Message --
From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:16:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question


The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent 
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, 
but it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be 
hitting the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs 
to be set that older systems may be looking for?


The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method, 
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, 
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[Adam Moffett]

It's in the User Guide.  You can use option 43, or if you set a domain 
via option 15 (the "Domain" field in Mikrotik DHCP) then it tries 
"cnmaestro.domain"


My problem turned out to be that if you've already set a URL for 
CnMaestro then it won't use the DHCP provided option.  But in theory, if 
we're plugging in one at default settings it should get the URL from 
DHCP.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:18:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43


OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro 
value="'https://X.X.X.X'"



On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on 
ePMP?


I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these 
instructions:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26 



Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is never 
actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP renewal or a 
reboot.  I can confirm via packet capture the options are being sent 
to the ePMP.  I don't see any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro 
server on premises, but I do see them doing DNS lookups for 
cloud.cambiumnetworks.com.

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Steve Jones]

we had to adjust a wait time or something like that in the fortivoice
systems when this happens

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent PBX
>> system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but it
>> used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting the ATA
>> Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set that older
>> systems may be looking for?
>>
>> The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
>> currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, set
>> to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

It's the inbound caller ID (the customer is receiving a call), not the 
Outbound Caller ID.


On 11/7/2017 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:


At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient
Lucent PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming
through, but it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it
appears to be hitting the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on
the ATA that needs to be set that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID
Method, currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID
FSK Standard, set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those
settings before.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[Josh Luthman]

OMG this is amazing, I didn't know option 43 was a possibility!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:02 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Yes, working fine for us:
> /ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro value="'https://X.X.X.X
> '"
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on ePMP?
>>
>> I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these instructions:
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-R
>> outerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26
>>
>> Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is never
>> actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP renewal or a
>> reboot.  I can confirm via packet capture the options are being sent to the
>> ePMP.  I don't see any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro server on
>> premises, but I do see them doing DNS lookups for
>> cloud.cambiumnetworks.com.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[can...@believewireless.net]

The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent PBX
> system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but it
> used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting the ATA
> Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set that older
> systems may be looking for?
>
> The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
> currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, set
> to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.
>
> Nate
>

[AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent 
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but 
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting 
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set 
that older systems may be looking for?


The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method, 
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, 
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Jaime Solorza]

I understand the frustration of boot strapping your business, sacrifice and
hard work.. then some one gets a grant , starts a business and undercuts
you.  Learned long ago , life is not fair...I do the best I can and move
on.. life is too short.

On Nov 7, 2017 12:43 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Hippie as in commune?
> I just tend to view those type of endeavors as private sector space, not
> to start a whole flame thing. There are arguments to made on both sides. I
> just default to government doing less not more. There are plenty of small
> corporate water departments and electrical providers. I think most are
> still coop which is kind of a commy thing. My GAS is kind of burned out of
> late so I don't seem to care as much lately. Maybe I'll feel feisty again
> and GAS.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting you used communist with all the Russian happenings.  Hippie
>> would have been more apropos!  Lol
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2017 10:20 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor in
>>> the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with poor
>>> hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am not sure
>>> what else to expect from the communist state of California though.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:
>>>
 fake news?

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

 Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP
 said CA.

 On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> California, not Virginia.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network
>
>
> RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
> Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
> Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
> wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
> households, 817 businesses...
> 
>
> Yea! More Muni netowrks!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Lewis Bergman]

Hippie as in commune?
I just tend to view those type of endeavors as private sector space, not to
start a whole flame thing. There are arguments to made on both sides. I
just default to government doing less not more. There are plenty of small
corporate water departments and electrical providers. I think most are
still coop which is kind of a commy thing. My GAS is kind of burned out of
late so I don't seem to care as much lately. Maybe I'll feel feisty again
and GAS.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Interesting you used communist with all the Russian happenings.  Hippie
> would have been more apropos!  Lol
>
> On Nov 7, 2017 10:20 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor in
>> the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with poor
>> hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am not sure
>> what else to expect from the communist state of California though.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> fake news?
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
>>>
>>> Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP
>>> said CA.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 California, not Virginia.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network


 RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
 Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
 Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
 wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
 households, 817 businesses...
 

 Yea! More Muni netowrks!

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[George Skorup]

I use these in 1, 2 and 3 foot: 
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2125 Haven't had any bad ones in 
>1k. The boots aren't too stiff in the cold unlike some others I've 
used in the past.


On 11/7/2017 11:41 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Monoprice is somewhat cheaper.

Lewis Bergman wrote:


Amazon, but I'll have to look at those others.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, 11:37 AM Jay Weekley > wrote:


    Monoprice.com or Showmecables.com.  I use Showmecables because
    they have
    historically had more length selections.

    Steve Jones wrote:
    > where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at
    in bulk
    > ad good prices these days?
    >
    >
    >

    >   Virus-free. www.avg.com 
    >

    >
    >
    > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] android gps app

[Bill Prince]

I've been using GPS Essentials. The Satellites feature shows 
visible/tracking satellites on a compass grid.


As Chuck says, you need to just evaluate visible sky. Metal & concrete 
be bad. Blue sky (cyan actually) be good.



bp


On 11/7/2017 9:37 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Anybody have a decent app for android to verify GPS visibility for 
syncpipe placement? have some contractors hanging gear this weekend 
and need them to verify where theyre putting it without having to 
login to the gear

Re: [AFMUG] android gps app

[Jaime Solorza]

GPS Status works very well for us.

On Nov 7, 2017 10:37 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Anybody have a decent app for android to verify GPS visibility for
> syncpipe placement? have some contractors hanging gear this weekend and
> need them to verify where theyre putting it without having to login to the
> gear
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Jaime Solorza]

Interesting you used communist with all the Russian happenings.  Hippie
would have been more apropos!  Lol

On Nov 7, 2017 10:20 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor in
> the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with poor
> hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am not sure
> what else to expect from the communist state of California though.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:
>
>> fake news?
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
>>
>> Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP
>> said CA.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> California, not Virginia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network
>>>
>>>
>>> RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
>>> Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
>>> Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
>>> wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
>>> households, 817 businesses...
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yea! More Muni netowrks!
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Bill Prince]

Palo Alto did a fiber ring that they lease out to vendors of all 
stripes.They didn't try to do any WiFi or the like; but they did create 
an environment for any and all to get onboard. It's a bit pricey, but 
you avoid digging up streets (and all the right of way issues) to 
install your private fiber.


bp


On 11/7/2017 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

In theory
So far they don’t have a good track record.
I think it is due to electrons and water molecules not need individual 
routing.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 11:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet 
service couldn't succeed.
I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people 
involved underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to 
be.  We could think up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I 
think that's the root of the problem.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 1:01:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
Yea sure why not throw some FREE money at some non-profit network 
that will Cost NOTHING to work.



On 11/07/2017 11:20 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the 
vendor in the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, 
and with poor hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the 
same. I am not sure what else to expect from the communist state of 
California though.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:

fake news?
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed
the RFP said CA.
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett 
wrote:

California, not Virginia.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network


RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The
Richmond Information Technology Department will acquire a
community Broadband Network. The purpose of the project is
to create a high-speed fiber and wireless mesh network that
will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817
businesses...


Yea! More Muni netowrks!



--

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Adam Moffett]

Same thing as I'm saying, only different.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 1:44:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network


In theory
So far they don’t have a good track record.

I think it is due to electrons and water molecules not need individual 
routing.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 11:37 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet service 
couldn't succeed.


I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people 
involved underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to be. 
 We could think up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I think 
that's the root of the problem.




-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 1:01:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Yea sure why not throw some FREE money at some non-profit network that 
will Cost NOTHING to work.



On 11/07/2017 11:20 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor 
in the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with 
poor hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am 
not sure what else to expect from the communist state of California 
though.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:

fake news?

From:Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the 
RFP said CA.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  
wrote:

California, not Virginia.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni Network


RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The 
Richmond Information Technology Department will acquire a community 
Broadband Network. The purpose of the project is to create a 
high-speed fiber and wireless mesh network that will provide 
no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817 businesses... 



Yea! More Muni netowrks!


--

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[chuck]

In theory
So far they don’t have a good track record.  

I think it is due to electrons and water molecules not need individual routing. 
 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet service 
couldn't succeed.

I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people involved 
underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to be.  We could think 
up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I think that's the root of the 
problem.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 1:01:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

  Yea sure why not throw some FREE money at some non-profit network that will 
Cost NOTHING to work.



  On 11/07/2017 11:20 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor in 
the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with poor hindsight 
to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am not sure what else to 
expect from the communist state of California though.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:

  fake news?

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

  Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP 
said CA.

  On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

California, not Virginia.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni Network



RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond 
Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband Network. 
The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and wireless mesh 
network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817 
businesses...


Yea! More Muni netowrks!


  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Adam Moffett]

Most water systems are municipal.  A handful of electric companies are 
municipal.  In principal there's no reason a municipal internet service 
couldn't succeed.


I think municipal broadband hasn't often worked out because people 
involved underestimate how difficult and/or expensive it's going to be.  
We could think up plenty of sarcastic ways to say this, but I think 
that's the root of the problem.




-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 1:01:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Yea sure why not throw some FREE money at some non-profit network that 
will Cost NOTHING to work.



On 11/07/2017 11:20 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor 
in the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with 
poor hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am 
not sure what else to expect from the communist state of California 
though.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:

fake news?

From:Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the 
RFP said CA.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  
wrote:

California, not Virginia.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni Network


RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond 
Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband 
Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber 
and wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 
8,400 households, 817 businesses... 



Yea! More Muni netowrks!


--

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Dave]

Yea sure why not throw some FREE money at some non-profit network that 
will Cost NOTHING to work.



On 11/07/2017 11:20 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor 
in the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with 
poor hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am 
not sure what else to expect from the communist state of California 
though.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM > wrote:


fake news?
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the
RFP said CA.
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

California, not Virginia.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network


RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The
Richmond Information Technology Department will acquire a
community Broadband Network. The purpose of the project is to
create a high-speed fiber and wireless mesh network that will
provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817
businesses...


Yea! More Muni netowrks!



--

Re: [AFMUG] android gps app

[chuck]

More sky is better.  Not sure there is any other thing to worry about.  
Obviously you don’t want the sky blocked by anything conductive.  You don’t 
want it blocked by anything, but conductive materials are the worst.  You don’t 
want the antenna to be close to tower legs or anything else.  The farther away 
the better.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] android gps app

Anybody have a decent app for android to verify GPS visibility for syncpipe 
placement? have some contractors hanging gear this weekend and need them to 
verify where theyre putting it without having to login to the gear

Re: [AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[Jay Weekley]

Monoprice is somewhat cheaper.

Lewis Bergman wrote:


Amazon, but I'll have to look at those others.


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, 11:37 AM Jay Weekley > wrote:


Monoprice.com or Showmecables.com.  I use Showmecables because
they have
historically had more length selections.

Steve Jones wrote:
> where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at
in bulk
> ad good prices these days?
>
>
>


>   Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>


>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[Lewis Bergman]

Amazon, but I'll have to look at those others.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, 11:37 AM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> Monoprice.com or Showmecables.com.  I use Showmecables because they have
> historically had more length selections.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
> > where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at in bulk
> > ad good prices these days?
> >
> >
> > <
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >
> >   Virus-free. www.avg.com
> > <
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >
> >
> >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[Jay Weekley]

Monoprice.com or Showmecables.com.  I use Showmecables because they have 
historically had more length selections.


Steve Jones wrote:
where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at in bulk 
ad good prices these days?



 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

[AFMUG] android gps app

[Steve Jones]

Anybody have a decent app for android to verify GPS visibility for syncpipe
placement? have some contractors hanging gear this weekend and need them to
verify where theyre putting it without having to login to the gear

[AFMUG] cheap patch cables

[Steve Jones]

where are people getting decent patch cables for enclosures at in bulk ad
good prices these days?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Lewis Bergman]

Not intentionally. I just copied and pasted the blurb from the vendor in
the email. The RFP seems real. Ill conceived, intended, and with poor
hindsight to other results perhaps but real all the same. I am not sure
what else to expect from the communist state of California though.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:13 AM  wrote:

> fake news?
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network
>
> Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP
> said CA.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> California, not Virginia.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network
>>
>>
>> RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
>> Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
>> Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
>> wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
>> households, 817 businesses...
>> 
>>
>> Yea! More Muni netowrks!
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[chuck]

fake news?

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP said CA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  California, not Virginia.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Lewis Bergman" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Muni Network



  RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond 
Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband Network. 
The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and wireless mesh 
network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817 
businesses...


  Yea! More Muni netowrks!

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, I just posted what some vendor spammed me with. I noticed the RFP said
CA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> California, not Virginia.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Muni Network
>
>
> RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
> Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
> Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
> wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
> households, 817 businesses...
> 
>
> Yea! More Muni netowrks!
>

[AFMUG] Mikrotik USB cell modems

[Lewis Bergman]

Does anyone have an idea of a known working LTE model?
I have reviewed the peripherals
 page on the MT wiki and
I think I am more confused now than I was before.

I found this IoT service from Hologram  that
looks perfect for an application I have in mind but I am having trouble
with the device part of the equation.

Re: [AFMUG] Muni Network

[Mike Hammett]

California, not Virginia. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:47:24 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni Network 


RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond 
Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband Network. 
The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and wireless mesh 
network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400 households, 817 
businesses... 



Yea! More Muni netowrks! 

[AFMUG] Muni Network

[Lewis Bergman]

RFP- Richmond, Virginia Broadband Accessibility Project The Richmond
Information Technology Department will acquire a community Broadband
Network. The purpose of the project is to create a high-speed fiber and
wireless mesh network that will provide no-cost broadband to all 8,400
households, 817 businesses...


Yea! More Muni netowrks!