Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

[Daniel Gerlach]

yes, you have 100 sensors for free and you can use 1 of them for  for
netflow..

2017-11-30 17:27 GMT+01:00 Adam Moffett :

> What?  Serious?  You can use PRTG as a netflow analyzer without paying for
> it?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Daniel Gerlach" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/30/2017 11:21:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers
>
> prtg is free for 100 sensors
> 1 senor = netflow
>
> 2017-11-30 16:28 GMT+01:00 Justin Marshall :
>
>> Ended up trying this one (https://sourceforge.net/projects/flowviewer/)
>>
>> Got the back-end (Silk) up and collection flows, just having a heck of a
>> time trying to get the front-end to see the back-end.
>>
>> I'm sure it's something simple.
>>
>> Thanks for all the suggestions.  I may end up trying another if I can't
>> get this one going
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:04 AM
>> To: af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers
>>
>> Not free at all - but I've explored many of the products out there.  The
>> one I like the most isn't free and isn't on prem so finding a way to set up
>> a tunnel with them would be beneficial.
>>
>> https://www.talaia.io/overview/
>>
>> I've used ntop, scrutinizer (pretty good actually and has a free level I
>> believe) and the netflow analyzer.  If I recall it was $1500 for 10
>> interfaces.  If you pipe everything through some 10Gbps channels you only
>> need to use 1-2.  Any of them require a good processor and good disk IO
>> (use an ssd) so plan accordling.  Or just use amazon and set up a tunnel to
>> them to dump the data.
>>
>> That ELK version looks interesting though.  I'm not a huge fan of ELK at
>> all but I do want to take a look at it now.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Justin Marshall" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:57:39 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer?
>>  Ntop's pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of data I
>> need to collect...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>> just...@pdmnet.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Adam Moffett]

A lot of doom and gloom in this thread.

I'll say that we have some customers on a 900mhz 450i getting 6mbps or 
so at -80 something on a 5mhz channel.  I think the weakest is -86dbm.  
The ones on 900mhz did not work with LTE, even with 1W tx and an 18dbi 
sector antenna.  There is literally zero signal on LTE, but 900mhz 
works.  My point being there are sometimes places where you have no 
other option but 900.


Maybe have a frank talk with that handful of customers.  Say you can 
keep what you've got, or you can contribute $x towards an infrastructure 
upgrade that will give you more speed.  Replace X with whatever value 
makes the situation viable.




-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/30/2017 5:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

Really hard to say depending where you are with current 900 noise 
floors what they are.
In my area its not too bad as smart meters dont exist here. The other 
issue I have ran into is RFID entry points and

Gated communities using automated gates.
 It works for us in some area but not others and it can be a real bear 
to coordinate channels and framing to get it all
to work right especially with the higher demand in capacity needs of 
the end user. We have 30 Access points in a single county wide 
deployment and all of them are on 10Mhz wide channels which only allows 
for 2 channels so we
had to work issues at each site with proper antenna positions and 
locations on the tower to overcome self interference. The biggest 
gotcha is not adding the correct gain for both AP antennas and 
Subscriber antennas.
The 450i radio really uses the ATPC to control power levels at the AP 
and Subscriber to help overcome saturation and

OOBEs.

Its definately given us some breathing room to help move to better 
service for those who were only getting 1Mb on the FSK.
 We able to effectively provide 12Mb basic plans on any of our 900 
sectors and have 30 subs on several APs without much issue.
I still watch the frame utilization graphs vs throughput to be sure we 
are not overloaded.




On 11/30/2017 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 
11 different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is 
feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's 
with the PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I 
currently have because they won't all be on the same side of the 
towers. So looking at costs I see the following:


PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running 
on the PMP100-900mhz now.


At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 
450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than 
what I was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.


Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?


--

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Josh Reynolds]

You may have found the one thing mediacom cares about - litigation due
to employee negligence.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> IF you can lay your hands on mediacom cable companies, it covers all bases,
> to the degree you cant park anywhere you have to back, cones out, i was told
> they even are to avoid left turns
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> We are supposed to attend some new OSHA and State of Texas safety training
>> soon.   I can share that when we get it.  Maybe Lewis or Tushar or other
>> fellow Texans can chime in?
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 10:11 AM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing
>>> policy and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’ safety
>>> one.  Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis clothing,
>>> cones, etc.  Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like this?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Ben Royer]

Steve,

I ended up ordering these:

http://a.co/gtzGRRV

Work pretty good.  Just have the guys throw a bungee on it too.

I just typed something simple up for now, but still looking to make something 
more involved.  Attached is my basic document.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Steve D 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Any further luck on finding this kind of info?  Our company is looking to 
implement the same thing.   

Anyone got a source for a good cone holder for vehicles too?  (Cheap, simple.)

-Steve D

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

  Good info, thanks again.  I’ve been trying to find other companies’ data, but 
even with the abundance that is the interwebs, I’ve had little luck so far.  I 
am however settling in on something along these lines:

  oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, greater than 5’ away, 
no further than 1’ x MPH of roadway, or a distance deemed necessary for 
environment and driving conditions.

  oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, 3’-10’ away, when 
working in non-roadway areas.

  oClass II Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 1-40MPH

  oClass III Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 40+MPH


  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

  No, the cone is purely to force them to walk behind the vehicle when leaving 
so they don’t squish the customer’s kids.  

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

  Thanks,  Do you specify to the employee the distance of cone?  IE: 1’*MPH of 
roadway? or 10’ or anything like that?

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

  Not sure I have written it down.  If in a public ROW, hard hats and orange 
vests must be worn.
  If in a UDOT ROW then amber blinky light on top must be used.

  Cones behind the truck at every stop.  

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:11 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

  Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing 
policy and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’ safety 
one.  Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis clothing, 
cones, etc.  Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like this?

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[Jaime Solorza]

I believe so

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 5:07 PM, "Dave"  wrote:

> We use those same batteries on every thing we do.
> Are those 8G27 ?
>
>
> On 11/29/2017 06:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they digging right
> where we have to work so will finish next week.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> You can see power levels from solar  panels easily and once completed,
> owner will get alarms from our system.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Steve D]

Any further luck on finding this kind of info?  Our company is looking to
implement the same thing.

Anyone got a source for a good cone holder for vehicles too?  (Cheap,
simple.)

-Steve D

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Good info, thanks again.  I’ve been trying to find other companies’ data,
> but even with the abundance that is the interwebs, I’ve had little luck so
> far.  I am however settling in on something along these lines:
>
>
> oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, greater than 5’
> away, no further than 1’ x MPH of roadway, or a distance deemed necessary
> for environment and driving conditions.
>
> oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, 3’-10’ away, when
> working in non-roadway areas.
>
> oClass II Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any
> roadway with traffic speeds of 1-40MPH
>
> oClass III Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any
> roadway with traffic speeds of 40+MPH
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?
>
> No, the cone is purely to force them to walk behind the vehicle when
> leaving so they don’t squish the customer’s kids.
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?
>
> Thanks,  Do you specify to the employee the distance of cone?  IE: 1’*MPH
> of roadway? or 10’ or anything like that?
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
> 
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?
>
> Not sure I have written it down.  If in a public ROW, hard hats and orange
> vests must be worn.
> If in a UDOT ROW then amber blinky light on top must be used.
>
> Cones behind the truck at every stop.
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?
>
> Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing
> policy and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’
> safety one.  Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis
> clothing, cones, etc.  Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like
> this?
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[Dave]

We use those same batteries on every thing we do.
Are those 8G27 ?


On 11/29/2017 06:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they digging 
right where we have to work so will finish next week.


Jaime Solorza

On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


You can see power levels from solar panels easily and once
completed, owner will get alarms from our system.

Jaime Solorza




--

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Dave]

Really hard to say depending where you are with current 900 noise floors 
what they are.
In my area its not too bad as smart meters dont exist here. The other 
issue I have ran into is RFID entry points and

Gated communities using automated gates.
 It works for us in some area but not others and it can be a real bear 
to coordinate channels and framing to get it all
to work right especially with the higher demand in capacity needs of the 
end user. We have 30 Access points in a single county wide deployment 
and all of them are on 10Mhz wide channels which only allows for 2 
channels so we
had to work issues at each site with proper antenna positions and 
locations on the tower to overcome self interference. The biggest gotcha 
is not adding the correct gain for both AP antennas and Subscriber antennas.
The 450i radio really uses the ATPC to control power levels at the AP 
and Subscriber to help overcome saturation and

OOBEs.

Its definately given us some breathing room to help move to better 
service for those who were only getting 1Mb on the FSK.
 We able to effectively provide 12Mb basic plans on any of our 900 
sectors and have 30 subs on several APs without much issue.
I still watch the frame utilization graphs vs throughput to be sure we 
are not overloaded.




On 11/30/2017 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 
11 different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is 
feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's 
with the PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I 
currently have because they won't all be on the same side of the 
towers. So looking at costs I see the following:


PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running 
on the PMP100-900mhz now.


At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 
450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than 
what I was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.


Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?


--

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[George Skorup]

Highly dependent on the noise floor at a particular site. All I can say 
is try it and see if it'll work out for you.


On 11/30/2017 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

George,

How much worse is the Omni setup? I have a couple sites that I could 
put an inverted Verticle under the H-pol already in place.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete
upgrade from what you currently have on PMP100 to 450i. Are the
customer's pretty evenly spread across all those APs? If there are
a few APs that are a lot denser, it may make sense to upgrade
those APs, but to me it's just not worth putting that kind of
money into 900mhz at this point.

When PMP450i 900mhz first came out, we it was working great for
us... but now half our APs are nearly worthless because the noise
floor has gone up so much in certain areas (I'm assuming smart
grid, but I haven't actually verified that).

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at
most of those sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it
two blocks in a small town and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus
that was back when you couldn't turn down the Tx power on the
eNB. It was the full 1W per port, so we were still 4-5dB over
the EIRP limit with a KP 14dBi sector and cable loss.

We do have Baicells at other sites and we've seen roughly 85%
success rate getting customers off of 900. So it does work,
just not everywhere.

Anyway.. a couple of those 900 450i sites have a dual H & V
omni setup. It mostly works, but I do not recommend it. The
typical omni problem, interference from everywhere.

But like Steve said, once our power co turns up their grid, I
fully expect 900 to be worthless. I guess we'll see.

On 11/30/2017 11:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we
will be in the same boat now of trying to find another
solution to get the bandwidth to the customers because by
then they will be all wanting faster than what the 900mhz can
do just like the same problem we have now.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help
you by answering your questions for you



On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

So I have 2% of my customer base that is running
900mhz PMP100 using 11 different access points. I am
trying to cost justify weather it is feasible to
upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of
Omni's with the PMP100 so most likely I will need
twice as many AP's as I currently have because they
won't all be on the same side of the towers. So
looking at costs I see the following:

PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of
customers running on the PMP100-900mhz now.

At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on
deploying the 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer
any better speeds with it than what I was able to
offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.

Is it just me or does this not make sense worth
deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[chuck]

I just use 28 as the nominal voltage.  Aircraft systems are nominally 28 volts. 
 Yeah, 13.6 x 2 or approx 2.25 volts per cell is what I would normally use as a 
float voltage depending on temperature.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

Most lead acid batteries want the float to be at something like 27.4v, 
depending on temperature and the specific batteries. 28.4 seems a little on the 
high side, but there could be a reason that it needs to be that high.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

  I believe that most solar controllers set float at 27V...

  On 11/29/2017 05:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I would think a 24 VDC batt would want to float at 28 volts.  You are only 
getting 22.3 from the panels?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:43 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels
They came with Tycon Remote Solar Kit...I will check tomorrow.  4 per site 
with two panels...voltage is 22.3 from panels and with batteries on controller 
we get 24.6 vdc

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 29, 2017 6:35 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:


What kind of batteries?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:


  We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they
  digging right where we have to work so will finish next week.

  Jaime Solorza
  On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
   wrote:

  You can see power levels from solar  panels easily and once
  completed, owner will get alarms from our system.

  Jaime Solorza

  

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Jaime Solorza]

Barometric

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 1:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Water floats in tank
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Nov 30, 2017 1:06 PM,  wrote:
>
>> What are the bellows measuring the pressure of?  Barometric pressure?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:00 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..
>>
>> Aneroid bellows
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2017 8:51 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice and professional job.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "af" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:40:55 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] What meter shows..
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[Mathew Howard]

Most lead acid batteries want the float to be at something like 27.4v,
depending on temperature and the specific batteries. 28.4 seems a little on
the high side, but there could be a reason that it needs to be that high.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I believe that most solar controllers set float at 27V...
>
> On 11/29/2017 05:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I would think a 24 VDC batt would want to float at 28 volts.  You are
>> only getting 22.3 from the panels?
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:43 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels
>> They came with Tycon Remote Solar Kit...I will check tomorrow.  4 per
>> site with two panels...voltage is 22.3 from panels and with batteries on
>> controller we get 24.6 vdc
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Nov 29, 2017 6:35 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What kind of batteries?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>>
>> We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they
>>> digging right where we have to work so will finish next week.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You can see power levels from solar  panels easily and once
>>> completed, owner will get alarms from our system.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

George,

How much worse is the Omni setup? I have a couple sites that I could put an
inverted Verticle under the H-pol already in place.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete upgrade from
> what you currently have on PMP100 to 450i. Are the customer's pretty evenly
> spread across all those APs? If there are a few APs that are a lot denser,
> it may make sense to upgrade those APs, but to me it's just not worth
> putting that kind of money into 900mhz at this point.
>
> When PMP450i 900mhz first came out, we it was working great for us... but
> now half our APs are nearly worthless because the noise floor has gone up
> so much in certain areas (I'm assuming smart grid, but I haven't actually
> verified that).
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at most of
>> those sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it two blocks in a small
>> town and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus that was back when you couldn't
>> turn down the Tx power on the eNB. It was the full 1W per port, so we were
>> still 4-5dB over the EIRP limit with a KP 14dBi sector and cable loss.
>>
>> We do have Baicells at other sites and we've seen roughly 85% success
>> rate getting customers off of 900. So it does work, just not everywhere.
>>
>> Anyway.. a couple of those 900 450i sites have a dual H & V omni setup.
>> It mostly works, but I do not recommend it. The typical omni problem,
>> interference from everywhere.
>>
>> But like Steve said, once our power co turns up their grid, I fully
>> expect 900 to be worthless. I guess we'll see.
>>
>> On 11/30/2017 11:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we will be in the
>> same boat now of trying to find another solution to get the bandwidth to
>> the customers because by then they will be all wanting faster than what the
>> 900mhz can do just like the same problem we have now.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by
>>> answering your questions for you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
 different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
 to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
 PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
 because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
 costs I see the following:

 PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
 PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
 SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

 equipment cost total = $58,528
 plus my time of putting it all up

 I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running
 on the PMP100-900mhz now.

 At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
 was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.

 Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Jaime Solorza]

Water floats in tank

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 1:06 PM,  wrote:

> What are the bellows measuring the pressure of?  Barometric pressure?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:00 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..
>
> Aneroid bellows
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Nov 30, 2017 8:51 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
>
>> Very nice and professional job.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:40:55 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] What meter shows..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Mathew Howard]

In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete upgrade from
what you currently have on PMP100 to 450i. Are the customer's pretty evenly
spread across all those APs? If there are a few APs that are a lot denser,
it may make sense to upgrade those APs, but to me it's just not worth
putting that kind of money into 900mhz at this point.

When PMP450i 900mhz first came out, we it was working great for us... but
now half our APs are nearly worthless because the noise floor has gone up
so much in certain areas (I'm assuming smart grid, but I haven't actually
verified that).

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at most of those
> sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it two blocks in a small town
> and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus that was back when you couldn't turn
> down the Tx power on the eNB. It was the full 1W per port, so we were still
> 4-5dB over the EIRP limit with a KP 14dBi sector and cable loss.
>
> We do have Baicells at other sites and we've seen roughly 85% success rate
> getting customers off of 900. So it does work, just not everywhere.
>
> Anyway.. a couple of those 900 450i sites have a dual H & V omni setup. It
> mostly works, but I do not recommend it. The typical omni problem,
> interference from everywhere.
>
> But like Steve said, once our power co turns up their grid, I fully expect
> 900 to be worthless. I guess we'll see.
>
> On 11/30/2017 11:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we will be in the
> same boat now of trying to find another solution to get the bandwidth to
> the customers because by then they will be all wanting faster than what the
> 900mhz can do just like the same problem we have now.
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering
>> your questions for you
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
>>> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
>>> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
>>> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
>>> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
>>> costs I see the following:
>>>
>>> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
>>> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
>>> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
>>> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>>>
>>> equipment cost total = $58,528
>>> plus my time of putting it all up
>>>
>>> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running
>>> on the PMP100-900mhz now.
>>>
>>> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
>>> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
>>> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[chuck]

What are the bellows measuring the pressure of?  Barometric pressure?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:00 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

Aneroid bellows


Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 8:51 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

  Very nice and professional job.

  - Original Message -
  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:40:55 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

  Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[Jaime Solorza]

Aneroid bellows for submersible pump or floats

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 12:09 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> I believe that most solar controllers set float at 27V...
>
> On 11/29/2017 05:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I would think a 24 VDC batt would want to float at 28 volts.  You are
>> only getting 22.3 from the panels?
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:43 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels
>> They came with Tycon Remote Solar Kit...I will check tomorrow.  4 per
>> site with two panels...voltage is 22.3 from panels and with batteries on
>> controller we get 24.6 vdc
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Nov 29, 2017 6:35 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What kind of batteries?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>>
>> We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they
>>> digging right where we have to work so will finish next week.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You can see power levels from solar  panels easily and once
>>> completed, owner will get alarms from our system.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Jaime Solorza]

Aneroid bellows

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 30, 2017 8:51 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

> Very nice and professional job.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:40:55 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] What meter shows..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[George Skorup]

We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at most of 
those sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it two blocks in a 
small town and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus that was back when you 
couldn't turn down the Tx power on the eNB. It was the full 1W per port, 
so we were still 4-5dB over the EIRP limit with a KP 14dBi sector and 
cable loss.


We do have Baicells at other sites and we've seen roughly 85% success 
rate getting customers off of 900. So it does work, just not everywhere.


Anyway.. a couple of those 900 450i sites have a dual H & V omni setup. 
It mostly works, but I do not recommend it. The typical omni problem, 
interference from everywhere.


But like Steve said, once our power co turns up their grid, I fully 
expect 900 to be worthless. I guess we'll see.


On 11/30/2017 11:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we will be in 
the same boat now of trying to find another solution to get the 
bandwidth to the customers because by then they will be all wanting 
faster than what the 900mhz can do just like the same problem we have now.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by
answering your questions for you



On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100
using 11 different access points. I am trying to cost justify
weather it is feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am
using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 so most likely I will
need twice as many AP's as I currently have because they won't
all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at costs I
see the following:

PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers
running on the PMP100-900mhz now.

At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying
the 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds
with it than what I was able to offer with the old FSK
2.4/5ghz stuff.

Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Adam Moffett]

The numbers seem to add up to 1 customer per AP.  If that's really the 
case, then I don't think you're going to be able to justify any kind of 
product.




-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/30/2017 12:17:52 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 
different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is 
feasible to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's 
with the PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I 
currently have because they won't all be on the same side of the 
towers. So looking at costs I see the following:


PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running 
on the PMP100-900mhz now.


At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 
450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than 
what I was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.


Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels

[Robert Andrews]

I believe that most solar controllers set float at 27V...

On 11/29/2017 05:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I would think a 24 VDC batt would want to float at 28 volts.  You are 
only getting 22.3 from the panels?

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:43 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels
They came with Tycon Remote Solar Kit...I will check tomorrow.  4 per 
site with two panels...voltage is 22.3 from panels and with batteries on 
controller we get 24.6 vdc


Jaime Solorza
On Nov 29, 2017 6:35 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

What kind of batteries?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:


We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they
digging right where we have to work so will finish next week.

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
 wrote:

You can see power levels from solar  panels easily and once
completed, owner will get alarms from our system.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

[Andy Trimmell]

They only have 1 right angled one and its SMA on one side and RPSMA on the 
other. I need reversed polarity on both sides. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

 

Streakwave has right angle rpsma.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Nov 30, 2017 12:09 PM, "Andy Trimmell"  wrote:

Anyone sell the replacement pigtails for this antenna? One side is 90 degree 
and other side is straight. RP-SMA

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

PDS Connect

317-831-3000  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Jon Langeler]

We charge $1500 for 900 installs but I’m debating if that’s even worth it as 
the speeds can vary (sporadic interference). I almost favor offering just the 
‘tower build’ option and getting more line of site customers off it.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 
> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible 
> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 
> so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have because 
> they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at costs I see 
> the following:
> 
> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
> 
> equipment cost total = $58,528
> plus my time of putting it all up
> 
> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on the 
> PMP100-900mhz now.
> 
> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 450i-900mhz 
> and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I was able to 
> offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
> 
> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Steve Jones]

Depending on distance and terrain. Could you get by with midpoint cheap
links to the existing customers and use the midpoints to pick up some other
unserved along the way? Youre already looking at alot of money to ensure
future obsolescence, so whats a little more money to potentially be
competitive?
There are fiber magicians lurking the list who could maybe even help you
justify some duct in the earth in some places, fiber never has line of site
problems and duct is never not valuable to someone

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> If I tried to tell my partner that we needed to drop 60K on equipment for
> 1K per month in revenue I would get laughed out of the room.
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering
>> your questions for you
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
>>> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
>>> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
>>> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
>>> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
>>> costs I see the following:
>>>
>>> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
>>> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
>>> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
>>> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>>>
>>> equipment cost total = $58,528
>>> plus my time of putting it all up
>>>
>>> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running
>>> on the PMP100-900mhz now.
>>>
>>> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
>>> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
>>> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Carl Peterson]

If I tried to tell my partner that we needed to drop 60K on equipment for
1K per month in revenue I would get laughed out of the room.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering
> your questions for you
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
>> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
>> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
>> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
>> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
>> costs I see the following:
>>
>> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
>> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
>> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
>> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>>
>> equipment cost total = $58,528
>> plus my time of putting it all up
>>
>> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
>> the PMP100-900mhz now.
>>
>> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
>> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
>> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>>
>> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we will be in the
same boat now of trying to find another solution to get the bandwidth to
the customers because by then they will be all wanting faster than what the
900mhz can do just like the same problem we have now.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering
> your questions for you
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
>> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
>> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
>> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
>> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
>> costs I see the following:
>>
>> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
>> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
>> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
>> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>>
>> equipment cost total = $58,528
>> plus my time of putting it all up
>>
>> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
>> the PMP100-900mhz now.
>>
>> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
>> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
>> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>>
>> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Steve Jones]

if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help you by answering
your questions for you



On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
> costs I see the following:
>
> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>
> equipment cost total = $58,528
> plus my time of putting it all up
>
> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
> the PMP100-900mhz now.
>
> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>
> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Josh Baird]

Personally, I wouldn’t even consider investing this amount of money in 900mhz 
any longer. 

Perhaps you should take a look at LTE?

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 
> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible 
> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 
> so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have because 
> they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at costs I see 
> the following:
> 
> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
> 
> equipment cost total = $58,528
> plus my time of putting it all up
> 
> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on the 
> PMP100-900mhz now.
> 
> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 450i-900mhz 
> and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I was able to 
> offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
> 
> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Darin Steffl]

You'd want closer to 15-30 subs per AP on 900mhz to deploy or a high
install cost to make it worthwhile. We're always at 1-year ROI on tower and
CPE gear and any longer than that, we move on to more profitable projects.

If you can't make ROI work, leave the PMP100 up and tell customers you
can't justify to upgrade to higher speeds unless they pay more upfront or
monthly.

You don't owe these subs anything in terms of tying up your cash for that
long.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
> costs I see the following:
>
> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>
> equipment cost total = $58,528
> plus my time of putting it all up
>
> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
> the PMP100-900mhz now.
>
> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>
> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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[AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
costs I see the following:

PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

equipment cost total = $58,528
plus my time of putting it all up

I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
the PMP100-900mhz now.

At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.

Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

[Josh Luthman]

Streakwave has right angle rpsma.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 30, 2017 12:09 PM, "Andy Trimmell"  wrote:

Anyone sell the replacement pigtails for this antenna? One side is 90
degree and other side is straight. RP-SMA



Andy Trimmell

*Systems Engineer*

*PDS Connect*

317-831-3000 <(317)%20831-3000>

[AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

[Andy Trimmell]

Anyone sell the replacement pigtails for this antenna? One side is 90
degree and other side is straight. RP-SMA

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Faisal Imtiaz]

It is easy to play with words and confuse with what one sees vs reality. 

My question to you is .. Have you seen a cow being killed and steak being cut ? 
Have you seen sausage being made ? 

Mfg is not a 'one time' process, and yes creative techniques are used in first 
run production of small batches. 
(That should answer your HotGlue concern no hot glue is there in the units 
I have opened up after the initial ones) 

Now in regards to USB.. to each your own.. 
I see it no different than any other way of connecting stuff together.. as long 
as it works and works well so what ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:35:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

> What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines infrastructure
> out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?

> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of its
>> insides.

>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com >
>> To: "af" < af@afmug.com >
>> Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

>>> Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more
>>> than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An 
>>> 80ghz
>>> link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle
>>> enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it again. 
>>> There
>>> are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the option of 
>>> smaller
>>> antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet.

>>> On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:

 But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can... which 
 are
 $6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.

 Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.

 If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now 
 the
 issue.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 Midwest Internet Exchange

 The Brothers WISP

 From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com >
 To: "af" < af@afmug.com >
 Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

 Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.

 On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > wrote:

> Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about 
> cost
> savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the 
> cost and
> twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.

> Chris Wright

> Network Administrator

> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

> I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's 
> only
> going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link 
> will
> handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it.

> Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed
> 700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps
> isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.

> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:

> I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

> We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to 
> get to
> 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas

> I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream connectivity
> utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the same antennas

> Im not at all impressed with the mimosa gear, its not full duplex and 
> putting
> that much variable latency into the network bringing our bandwidth into 
> the
> core of our network just seems like moving backward.

> before I give my blessing, for what its worth, to the boss to order the 
> SAF
> gear, I just want to make sure there isnt a better option. Lumina is 
> older and
> nearing EOL im guessing, we have other places the units can be used.

> on the same note, we bring this 

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

[Adam Moffett]

What?  Serious?  You can use PRTG as a netflow analyzer without paying 
for it?



-- Original Message --
From: "Daniel Gerlach" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/30/2017 11:21:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers


prtg is free for 100 sensors
1 senor = netflow

2017-11-30 16:28 GMT+01:00 Justin Marshall :
Ended up trying this one (https://sourceforge.net/projects/flowviewer/ 
)


Got the back-end (Silk) up and collection flows, just having a heck of 
a time trying to get the front-end to see the back-end.


I'm sure it's something simple.

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I may end up trying another if I 
can't get this one going


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

Not free at all - but I've explored many of the products out there.  
The one I like the most isn't free and isn't on prem so finding a way 
to set up a tunnel with them would be beneficial.


https://www.talaia.io/overview/ 

I've used ntop, scrutinizer (pretty good actually and has a free level 
I believe) and the netflow analyzer.  If I recall it was $1500 for 10 
interfaces.  If you pipe everything through some 10Gbps channels you 
only need to use 1-2.  Any of them require a good processor and good 
disk IO (use an ssd) so plan accordling.  Or just use amazon and set 
up a tunnel to them to dump the data.


That ELK version looks interesting though.  I'm not a huge fan of ELK 
at all but I do want to take a look at it now.



--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

- Original Message -
From: "Justin Marshall" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:57:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

Hi,

Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer?  
 Ntop's pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of 
data I need to collect...


Thanks,
Justin
just...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 bug

[Dave]

Someone walking across the carpet wearing polyester underwear built up 
an emp pulse that made some memory chips weak upon exposure causing 
major collapse of universal gases in deep space.



On 11/29/2017 09:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Lite AP to Full upgrade and the flash experiences some corruption so 
the license key can't be found/loaded? That scenario isn't unique to 
ePMP though, happens on Canopy gear as well. Had a handful or two of 
those over the years. If it's under warranty and Cambium wants it 
back, replace with a spare and they send you a new one. It's an 
inconvenience, but meh, shit happens.


On 11/29/2017 8:36 PM, Adair Winter wrote:

What causes this to happen?

On Nov 29, 2017 7:16 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


I know this has been discussed here before. Thought I would cross
post it.
*From:* christ...@cybernet1.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:58 PM
*To:* memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA Members] ePMP2000 bug

Apparently there is a bug that limits the epmp2000 sector down to
10 subscribers with no workable solution to get it back to 120. 
I don’t know if anyone else has run in to this but it sucks. 
They are telling me it is hardware so I have to replace the AP
and RMA the original.  A software license lock caused by a
hardware problem seems pretty nuts to me.

Christian Palecek

Chief Operations Officer

Cybernet1 Inc

Hamilton, MT


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Members mailing list
memb...@wispa.org 
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--

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

[Daniel Gerlach]

prtg is free for 100 sensors
1 senor = netflow

2017-11-30 16:28 GMT+01:00 Justin Marshall :

> Ended up trying this one (https://sourceforge.net/projects/flowviewer/)
>
> Got the back-end (Silk) up and collection flows, just having a heck of a
> time trying to get the front-end to see the back-end.
>
> I'm sure it's something simple.
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions.  I may end up trying another if I can't
> get this one going
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:04 AM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers
>
> Not free at all - but I've explored many of the products out there.  The
> one I like the most isn't free and isn't on prem so finding a way to set up
> a tunnel with them would be beneficial.
>
> https://www.talaia.io/overview/
>
> I've used ntop, scrutinizer (pretty good actually and has a free level I
> believe) and the netflow analyzer.  If I recall it was $1500 for 10
> interfaces.  If you pipe everything through some 10Gbps channels you only
> need to use 1-2.  Any of them require a good processor and good disk IO
> (use an ssd) so plan accordling.  Or just use amazon and set up a tunnel to
> them to dump the data.
>
> That ELK version looks interesting though.  I'm not a huge fan of ELK at
> all but I do want to take a look at it now.
>
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin Marshall" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:57:39 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer?
>  Ntop's pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of data I
> need to collect...
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
> just...@pdmnet.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Mathew Howard]

I don't really care what's inside the things, if they prove themselves to
work well and be reliable... if that hotglue all starts falling off in two
years, well, then I'll have a problem with it. But if five years from now
these things are all just sitting there doing their jobs without being
touched I'm going to be pretty happy.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Our target is that all infrastructure ROI’s within 8 months and all
> residential installations ROI in 4.  There are obviously exceptions but
> that’s the guiding principal.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
>
>
> Well said.  There's definitely a market for the device.  I just might not
> be a member of that market.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Rory Conaway" <*r...@triadwireless.net* >
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <*af@afmug.com* >
>
> Sent: 11/30/2017 12:53:47 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
>
>
> It always comes down to budget and ROI.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* ] *On
> Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM
> *To:* *af@afmug.com* 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
>
>
> What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines
> infrastructure out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett <*dmmoff...@gmail.com*
> > wrote:
>
> I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of
> its insides.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mathew Howard" <*mhoward...@gmail.com* >
>
> To: "af" <*af@afmug.com* >
>
> Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
>
>
> Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs
> more than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD...
> An 80ghz link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able
> to handle enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it
> again. There are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the
> option of smaller antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just
> use an ignitenet.
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" <*af...@ics-il.net*
> > wrote:
>
> But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can...  which
> are $6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.
>
> Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.
>
> If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now
> the issue.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions* 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <*mhoward...@gmail.com *>
> *To: *"af" <*af@afmug.com *>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
> Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" <*ch...@velociter.net
> *> wrote:
>
> Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about
> cost savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the
> cost and twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com *] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
>
>
> I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's
> only going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24
> link will handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it.
>
>
>
> Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed
> 700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps
> isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett <*af...@ics-il.net
> *> wrote:
>
> I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <*thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> *>
> *To: **af@afmug.com *
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
>
> We have a phenomenal saf 

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Rory Conaway]

Our target is that all infrastructure ROI’s within 8 months and all residential 
installations ROI in 4.  There are obviously exceptions but that’s the guiding 
principal.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Well said.  There's definitely a market for the device.  I just might not be a 
member of that market.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 11/30/2017 12:53:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

It always comes down to budget and ROI.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines infrastructure 
out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of its 
insides.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more 
than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An 80ghz 
link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle 
enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it again. There 
are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the option of smaller 
antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can...  which are 
$6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.

Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.

If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now the 
issue.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" 
> wrote:
Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about cost 
savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the cost and 
twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's only 
going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link will 
handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it.

Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed 
700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps 
isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to get 
to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas

I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream connectivity 
utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the same antennas

Im not at all impressed with the mimosa gear, its not full duplex and putting 
that much variable latency into the network bringing our bandwidth into the 
core of our network just seems like moving backward.

before I give my blessing, for what its worth, to the boss to order the SAF 
gear, I just want to make sure there isnt a better option. Lumina is older and 
nearing EOL im guessing, we have other places the units can be used.

on the same 

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

[Justin Marshall]

Ended up trying this one (https://sourceforge.net/projects/flowviewer/) 

Got the back-end (Silk) up and collection flows, just having a heck of a time 
trying to get the front-end to see the back-end.  

I'm sure it's something simple.

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I may end up trying another if I can't get 
this one going

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

Not free at all - but I've explored many of the products out there.  The one I 
like the most isn't free and isn't on prem so finding a way to set up a tunnel 
with them would be beneficial.  

https://www.talaia.io/overview/

I've used ntop, scrutinizer (pretty good actually and has a free level I 
believe) and the netflow analyzer.  If I recall it was $1500 for 10 interfaces. 
 If you pipe everything through some 10Gbps channels you only need to use 1-2.  
Any of them require a good processor and good disk IO (use an ssd) so plan 
accordling.  Or just use amazon and set up a tunnel to them to dump the data.  

That ELK version looks interesting though.  I'm not a huge fan of ELK at all 
but I do want to take a look at it now.  


-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

- Original Message -
From: "Justin Marshall" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:57:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

Hi,

Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer?   Ntop's 
pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of data I need to 
collect...

Thanks,
Justin
just...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Adam Moffett]

Well said.  There's definitely a market for the device.  I just might 
not be a member of that market.



-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/30/2017 12:53:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish


It always comes down to budget and ROI.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish



What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines 
infrastructure out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?




On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:


I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures 
of its insides.






-- Original Message --

From: "Mathew Howard" 

To: "af" 

Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish



Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it 
needs more than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an 
AF24HD... An 80ghz link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and 
then it'll be able to handle enough bandwidth that you'll probably 
never have to mess with it again. There are also other 24ghz radios 
that would at least give you the option of smaller antennas, if 
nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet.




On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can...  
which are $6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.


Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.

If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is 
now the issue.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.



On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about 
cost savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 
the cost and twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish



I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if 
it's only going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, 
the AF24 link will handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to 
mess with it.




Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only 
needed 700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point 
where ~700Mbps isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.




On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:


I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this 
to get to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas




I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream 
connectivity utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the 
same antennas




Im not at all impressed with the mimosa gear, its not full duplex and 
putting that much variable latency into the network bringing our 
bandwidth into the core of our network just seems like moving 
backward.




before I give my blessing, for what its worth, to the boss to order 
the SAF gear, I just want to make sure there isnt a better option. 
Lumina is older and nearing EOL im guessing, we have other places the 
units can be used.




on the same note, we bring this bandwidth up from the fiber by AF24 
700 feet, so probably should ask about a 24ghz (or anything) short 
link solution. Im assuming af24hd will meet that need

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Steve]

Very nice and professional job.  

- Original Message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:40:55 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Nate Burke]

What is that thing on the right side of the picture with the 
electrostatic warning sticker?  It looks like some sort of inflatable 
baffle on top?


On 11/30/2017 7:40 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:



Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

[Steve]

Not free at all - but I've explored many of the products out there.  The one I 
like the most isn't free and isn't on prem so finding a way to set up a tunnel 
with them would be beneficial.  

https://www.talaia.io/overview/

I've used ntop, scrutinizer (pretty good actually and has a free level I 
believe) and the netflow analyzer.  If I recall it was $1500 for 10 interfaces. 
 If you pipe everything through some 10Gbps channels you only need to use 1-2.  
Any of them require a good processor and good disk IO (use an ssd) so plan 
accordling.  Or just use amazon and set up a tunnel to them to dump the data.  

That ELK version looks interesting though.  I'm not a huge fan of ELK at all 
but I do want to take a look at it now.  


-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

- Original Message -
From: "Justin Marshall" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:57:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] NetFlow Analyzers

Hi,

Does anyone know of a good (preferably open-source) NetFlow analyzer?   Ntop's 
pricing scheme seems to be a little steep for the amount of data I need to 
collect...

Thanks,
Justin
just...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 bug

[Steve Jones]

So this breaks the key system? Like you couldnt just load a spare key?

On Nov 29, 2017 9:08 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Lite AP to Full upgrade and the flash experiences some corruption so the
> license key can't be found/loaded? That scenario isn't unique to ePMP
> though, happens on Canopy gear as well. Had a handful or two of those over
> the years. If it's under warranty and Cambium wants it back, replace with a
> spare and they send you a new one. It's an inconvenience, but meh, shit
> happens.
>
> On 11/29/2017 8:36 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
>
> What causes this to happen?
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 7:16 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I know this has been discussed here before.  Thought I would cross post
>> it.
>>
>> *From:* christ...@cybernet1.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:58 PM
>> *To:* memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* [WISPA Members] ePMP2000 bug
>>
>>
>> Apparently there is a bug that limits the epmp2000 sector down to 10
>> subscribers with no workable solution to get it back to 120.  I don’t know
>> if anyone else has run in to this but it sucks.  They are telling me it is
>> hardware so I have to replace the AP and RMA the original.  A software
>> license lock caused by a hardware problem seems pretty nuts to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian Palecek
>>
>> Chief Operations Officer
>>
>> Cybernet1 Inc
>>
>> Hamilton, MT
>>
>>
>>
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