[AFMUG] Serverplus

[Steve Jones]

Has anyone noted a consistent decline in quality with these guys, and a
large number of different tech names in their tickets?
Its almost looking like they outsourced their outsourcing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

Track car is a road racing car, closed circuit.  Drag car would be the Dodge 
Demon.  At least the way I meant it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a Dodge 
Demon in the 1/4 mile.

On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jerry Head]

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a 
Dodge Demon in the 1/4 mile.


On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to 
buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.


It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the 
new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest 
track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 
million).


Travis


On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very 
nice race track nearby.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of 
these???

*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or 
later... LOL


Travis


On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is 
cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not 
much out there that can boast these specs) performance 
specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think 
the company would have been successful on its own, but that is the 
car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy
to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure

[Jon Lee]

I'm sure there is something purpose built for the application, but
something that came to mind is an under body truck box. They are weather
tight and sturdy.

On Mar 9, 2018 3:53 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Looking for outdoor enclosure that will hold a Packetflux RackInjector
> and Mikrotik rack mount 24 port CRS.  Something small enough I can
> pole mount.  Anyone know of anything?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:44 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I did after
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 8:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Did you use some of your creative Stevespeak and got yourself booted?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:08 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat and
>>> cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought that
>>> was a neat bday gift
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:
>>>
 We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the day,
 or take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm gonna do 
 :)

 On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
>> employee?
>>
>
>
> Take the day off of work.
>
> ~Seth
>

[AFMUG] New one on me...

[Jaime Solorza]

I was told that the industry standard for installing Access Points in a
warehouse is on the ceilings.  Having attended many classes, webinars and
presentations I have never heard of a Wi-Fi AP industry standard
Installation for warehouses.  Most presenters and trainers recommend an
actual RF survey to create a heat map to determine where to install then
and how many APs will be needed.   If someone has documentation please
point me to it. Thanks

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Steve Jones]

I did after

On Mar 9, 2018 8:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Did you use some of your creative Stevespeak and got yourself booted?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:08 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat and
>> cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought that
>> was a neat bday gift
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:
>>
>>> We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the day,
>>> or take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm gonna do :)
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>>
 On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
> employee?
>


 Take the day off of work.

 ~Seth

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jaime Solorza]

Did you use some of your creative Stevespeak and got yourself booted?

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:08 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat and
> cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought that
> was a neat bday gift
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:
>
>> We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the day,
>> or take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm gonna do :)
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>
 Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
 employee?

>>>
>>>
>>> Take the day off of work.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Steve Jones]

I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat and
cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought that
was a neat bday gift

On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the day, or
> take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm gonna do :)
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
>>> employee?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Take the day off of work.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Joe Novak]

We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the day, or
take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm gonna do :)

On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
>> employee?
>>
>
>
> Take the day off of work.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the employee?



Take the day off of work.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Woot!  Love your math!

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:33 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Birthday cards $2.00Tecate tall boy $1.79...seems like the way 
> conservative guys would make decision..
> Lol
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 5:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Cards and a gift card to a restaurant.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the 
>> > employee?

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jaime Solorza]

Birthday cards $2.00Tecate tall boy $1.79...seems like the way
conservative guys would make decision..
Lol

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 5:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Cards and a gift card to a restaurant.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
> employee?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Chuck McCown]

Cards and a gift card to a restaurant.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the 
> employee?

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Matt Hoppes]

And it was like I'm curious to hear from any size company

> On Mar 9, 2018, at 19:18, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> I think it depends if you have 5, or 50 employees?
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the 
>> employee?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think it depends if you have 5, or 50 employees?

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
> employee?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Adair Winter]

we buy a cake a month and celebrate who ever's birthday is inside that
month.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
> employee?
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jaime Solorza]

Tecate 6 pack

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 5:10 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the
> employee?
>

[AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Matt Hoppes]

Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the employee?

Re: [AFMUG] This looks ungood.

[Jaime Solorza]

Spelled it correctly

https://www.wired.com/story/router-hacking-slingshot-spy-operation-compromised-more-than-100-targets
Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 3:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I trust no author that cant spell vendor names
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 2:45 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cyber-espionage-group-infects-victims-through-microtik-routers/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] This looks ungood.

[Steve Jones]

I trust no author that cant spell vendor names

On Mar 9, 2018 2:45 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:

> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cyber-espiona
> ge-group-infects-victims-through-microtik-routers/
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Steve Jones]

Amtrak gets a payout for freight delays so they like em

On Mar 9, 2018 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

Yeah, you definitely CAN'T be on a schedule with Amtrak.


On Friday, March 9, 2018, Robert  wrote:

> Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a schedule...
>
> On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett > dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> lol train neutrality
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com
>> >>
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak
>>
>> I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
>>> of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
>>> gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
>>> "freight train interference"?
>>>
>>> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
>>> over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
>>> care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

[AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure

[Matt]

Looking for outdoor enclosure that will hold a Packetflux RackInjector
and Mikrotik rack mount 24 port CRS.  Something small enough I can
pole mount.  Anyone know of anything?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Lewis Bergman]

They definitely have better trains. We definitely have a better highway
system. The last century rewarded the US for that with the words best
economy. Not sure it will in this one. It almost seems like we built a tool
to get addicted to so now we can't kick the habit of everyone having a car.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:25 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yeah, you definitely CAN'T be on a schedule with Amtrak.
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a
>> schedule...
>>
>> On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
> Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett >> dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> lol train neutrality
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Cameron Crum" >> cc...@murcevilo.com>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak
>>>
>>> I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
 of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
 gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".

 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett >>> > wrote:

 So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
 "freight train interference"?

 Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
 over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
 care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, you definitely CAN'T be on a schedule with Amtrak.

On Friday, March 9, 2018, Robert  wrote:

> Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a schedule...
>
> On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett > dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> lol train neutrality
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com
>> >>
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak
>>
>> I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
>>> of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
>>> gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
>>> "freight train interference"?
>>>
>>> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
>>> over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
>>> care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Eric Kuhnke]

The last time I took Amtrak from Seattle to Vancouver it was a thoroughly
unpleasant experience. Scheduled to arrive at 9:50 PM. Actually arrived at
1 AM.

For the Americans who have no experience of a proper train system maybe
it's normal. But if you have used Deutsche Bahn (DB) ICE trains or even
their regional trains it's nuts. On the german trains you can actually sit
and watch the clock at each station, the exact moment the second hand ticks
over to zero on the minute it's scheduled to depart, the train starts
rolling.

Even the Italian high speed rail system (which for europeans, is famously
disorganized) is far better.



On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
> interference"?
>
> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
> hour. Just sayin.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Bitcoin/Ethereum mining in my region

[Eric Kuhnke]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/09/bitcoin-mining-energy-prices-smalltown-feature-217230

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Robert]

Yep, taking a train is about being relaxed not about being on a schedule...

On 3/9/18 1:50 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


lol train neutrality

-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak


I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off
of freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably
gets priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
"freight train interference"?

Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads
over realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't
care if it took an extra hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Dave]

yep, that will for sure do it...


On 03/09/2018 03:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We use small dab of plumber putty...no ingress , dust or buggy bugs

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:19 PM Dave > wrote:


If you use a cambium 600SS box it has knockouts on the inside of
the cover to allow for this
Also, I think chuck has a better version that will work on both
flat and round mounts.


On 03/09/2018 11:21 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I like this, may be overkill for many residential installations
though.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Inside

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under
antenna feet.  Mastic under vinyl tape is also very
reliable.
Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds
ideal for wall penetrations.  But can you chew it?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant
pull it an put anything else in its place, once it
sets it doesnt change, it rots houses. Use mastic,
stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can
reuse it, I hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a
butyl caulk is the only way to go. But mastic almost
always fits the bill. real mastic, not that garbage
Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either
If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you
have a mount rocking mastick moves with it,
maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
pull out and let the water leak in
http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do
roof repairs, have this in your kit btw. This is
great for cold repairs, it adheres to the shingles
wet or cold
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan
 wrote:

How do you seal penetrations?


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of
those little light aluminum j arms for the
fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming
across flapping cable, cable down inside the
gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And
there is silicone on my F&@&ing network
again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew
Howard  wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the
other a Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave
 wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our
team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all
new hires go thru before sending
them out on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat
method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew
Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people
do three times as much work to do
something wrong, which then falls
apart a month later, as it would've
taken to jus

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Robert]

Why euro high speed rails are dedicated passenger...

On 3/9/18 1:24 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:

Here is some more details https://youtu.be/mbEfzuCLoAQ?t=224

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Zach Underwood > wrote:


Most of the tracks that Amtrak uses are owned by the rail freight
company so they give favor for there own loads.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by
"freight train interference"?

Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over
realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if
it took an extra hour. Just sayin.





-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

My website 
advance-networking.com 




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com 

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Jaime Solorza]

We use small dab of plumber putty...no ingress , dust or buggy bugs

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:19 PM Dave  wrote:

> If you use a cambium 600SS box it has knockouts on the inside of the cover
> to allow for this
> Also, I think chuck has a better version that will work on both flat and
> round mounts.
>
>
> On 03/09/2018 11:21 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I like this, may be overkill for many residential installations though.
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Inside
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.
 Mastic under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
 Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall
 penetrations.  But can you chew it?

 *From:* Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

 Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put
 anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses.
 Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I
 hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
 If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the
 only way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not
 that garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either

 If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking
 mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
 pull out and let the water leak in

 http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs,
 have this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to
 the shingles wet or cold

 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan <
 installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

> How do you seal penetrations?
>
>
> On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> caulk, the devils chowder
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> silicone grease or caulk?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>>
>> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum
>> j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp 
>> and
>> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the 
>> gutters,
>> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. 
>> And
>> there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff
>> years ago
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
 Are those the Force 200 ?

 I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
 We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending
 them out on their own adventures :)
 I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


 On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to
 do something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it 
 would've
 taken to just do it right?

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come
> across
>
>
> the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took
> the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked
>


 --

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Jaime Solorza]

Damn.  Go to bar car and get drunk.. ain't no big thing...make it a party

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 2:27 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> lol train neutrality
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Cameron Crum" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak
>
> I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off of
> freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably gets
> priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
>> interference"?
>>
>> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
>> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
>> hour. Just sayin.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[castarritt .]

You should be happy that they are running a collision avoidance rather than
detection based protocol in that particular section of their half-duplex
infrastructure.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
> interference"?
>
> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
> hour. Just sayin.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Adam Moffett]

lol train neutrality

-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/9/2018 4:19:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off of 
freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably gets 
priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight 
train interference"?


Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over 
realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it 
took an extra hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Zach Underwood]

Here is some more details https://youtu.be/mbEfzuCLoAQ?t=224

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Zach Underwood  wrote:

> Most of the tracks that Amtrak uses are owned by the rail freight company
> so they give favor for there own loads.
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
>> interference"?
>>
>> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
>> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
>> hour. Just sayin.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>



-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Adam Moffett]

I googled it.

The short version is freight companies own the rails, and they carry 
passenger traffic because the guvmint tells them they have to.  They 
lose money on passenger service but make money on freight 
service..so yes backwards QoS policy because to them it's not 
backwards.


I never really knew.  This is only my second train trip in my entire 
life.come to think of it the other one was late too.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/9/2018 4:10:15 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight 
train interference"?


Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over 
realtime traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it 
took an extra hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Cameron Crum]

I would say that Since the railroads make most of their money off of
freight and only a small portion from Amtrak, freight probably gets
priority. Too bad there is no "train neutrality".

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
> interference"?
>
> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
> hour. Just sayin.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Dave]

If you use a cambium 600SS box it has knockouts on the inside of the 
cover to allow for this
Also, I think chuck has a better version that will work on both flat and 
round mounts.



On 03/09/2018 11:21 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I like this, may be overkill for many residential installations though.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Inside

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under
antenna feet.  Mastic under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal
for wall penetrations.  But can you chew it?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull
it an put anything else in its place, once it sets it
doesnt change, it rots houses. Use mastic, stays workable,
sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I hate
silicone. its banned in my house too.
If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl
caulk is the only way to go. But mastic almost always fits
the bill. real mastic, not that garbage Sticky Tape brand
chewing gum either
If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a
mount rocking mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal.
set silicone will open up or pull out and let the water
leak in
http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/
 if you do
roof repairs, have this in your kit btw. This is great for
cold repairs, it adheres to the shingles wet or cold
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan
 wrote:

How do you seal penetrations?


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those
little light aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the
force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable
down inside the gutters, cable laid across the
dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating.
And there is silicone on my F&@&ing network
again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a
Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave
 wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team.
I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new
hires go thru before sending them out on
their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method
with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do
three times as much work to do something
wrong, which then falls apart a month
later, as it would've taken to just do
it right?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve
Jones  wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays
masterpieces i have come across
the Ds with the self tappers in it
amazes, me, they actually took the
mount out of plumb and fastened it
crooked




-- 






--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Zach Underwood]

Most of the tracks that Amtrak uses are owned by the rail freight company
so they give favor for there own loads.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train
> interference"?
>
> Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime
> traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra
> hour. Just sayin.
>
>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

[AFMUG] OT: Amtrak

[Adam Moffett]

So what the heck does it mean that my train is delayed by "freight train 
interference"?


Do the railroads have a QoS policy favoring bulk downloads over realtime 
traffic? Seems backwards.  The freight wouldn't care if it took an extra 
hour. Just sayin.

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Adam Moffett]

You've got a conduit and fitting coming out of the back of the box.  So 
you still must have some kind of sealant in the wall.


I do like it though.  Keeps it pretty.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 3/9/2018 12:10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing


This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...

Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.  
Mastic under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall 
penetrations.  But can you chew it?


From:Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put 
anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots 
houses. Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can 
reuse it, I hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the 
only way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, 
not that garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either


If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount 
rocking mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will 
open up or pull out and let the water leak in


http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs, 
have this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres 
to the shingles wet or cold


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

How do you seal penetrations?


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

silicone grease or caulk?

From:Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light 
aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened 
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, 
cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS 
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on 
my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.



On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before 
sending them out on their own adventures :)

I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work 
to do something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as 
it would've taken to just do it right?


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come 
across



the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually 
took the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked




--

[AFMUG] This looks ungood.

[Jerry Head]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cyber-espionage-group-infects-victims-through-microtik-routers/ 

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... I've been telling our techs that for years... I think I finally got
them mostly using mastic, but I'd be surprised if there isn't still a lot
of silicone being used in our network.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.  Mastic
> under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
> Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall
> penetrations.  But can you chew it?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>
> Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put
> anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses.
> Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I
> hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
> If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the only
> way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not that
> garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either
>
> If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking
> mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
> pull out and let the water leak in
>
> http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs, have
> this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to the
> shingles wet or cold
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan  > wrote:
>
>> How do you seal penetrations?
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> caulk, the devils chowder
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> silicone grease or caulk?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>>>
>>> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j
>>> arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
>>> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
>>> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And
>>> there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff
>>> years ago
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.



 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Are those the Force 200 ?
>
> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending
> them out on their own adventures :)
> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>
>
> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've 
> taken
> to just do it right?
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones  > wrote:
>
>> im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across
>>
>>
>> the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the
>> mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked
>>
>
>
> --
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Jason McKemie]

I like this, may be overkill for many residential installations though.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Inside
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 10:05 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> This is what we do...cleaner and easy to replace cabling ...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 9:58 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.
>>> Mastic under vinyl tape is also very reliable.
>>> Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall
>>> penetrations.  But can you chew it?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>>>
>>> Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put
>>> anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses.
>>> Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I
>>> hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
>>> If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the only
>>> way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not that
>>> garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either
>>>
>>> If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking
>>> mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
>>> pull out and let the water leak in
>>>
>>> http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs,
>>> have this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to
>>> the shingles wet or cold
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>
 How do you seal penetrations?


 On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 caulk, the devils chowder

 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> silicone grease or caulk?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>
> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j
> arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. 
> And
> there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff
> years ago
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Are those the Force 200 ?
>>>
>>> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
>>> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending
>>> them out on their own adventures :)
>>> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
>>> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've 
>>> taken
>>> to just do it right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across


 the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took
 the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[LD Barthlome]

I will contact ditch witch

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

Registration is now open:
http://www.afmug.com/

The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to sponsor.
Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line Products etc to 
sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Chuck McCown]

I agree on the Mastic being superior on roofs under antenna feet.  Mastic under 
vinyl tape is also very reliable.  
Have never seen that big stretch product.  Sounds ideal for wall penetrations.  
But can you chew it?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put anything 
else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses. Use mastic, 
stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I hate silicone. 
its banned in my house too. 
If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the only way to 
go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not that garbage 
Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either

If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking mastick 
moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or pull out and 
let the water leak in

http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs, have this 
in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to the shingles wet 
or cold


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan  
wrote:

  How do you seal penetrations?



  On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  silicone grease or caulk?

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

  yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j 
arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and it 
failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters, cable 
laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is 
silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago

  On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.




On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

  Are those the Force 200 ?

  I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
  We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending 
them out on their own adventures :)
  I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.



  On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to 
do something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken 
to just do it right?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

  im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come 
across 


  the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took 
the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked




  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Steve Jones]

Mastic or big stretch. silicone is garbage, you cant pull it an put
anything else in its place, once it sets it doesnt change, it rots houses.
Use mastic, stays workable, sticks to most everything, you can reuse it, I
hate silicone. its banned in my house too.
If mastic doesnt fit the bill, big stretch  or a butyl caulk is the only
way to go. But mastic almost always fits the bill. real mastic, not that
garbage Sticky Tape brand chewing gum either

If you have a lag pull for whatever reason and you have a mount rocking
mastick moves with it, maintaining the seal. set silicone will open up or
pull out and let the water leak in

http://www.sashco.com/products/big-stretch/ if you do roof repairs, have
this in your kit btw. This is great for cold repairs, it adheres to the
shingles wet or cold

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> How do you seal penetrations?
>
>
> On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> caulk, the devils chowder
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> silicone grease or caulk?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>>
>> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j
>> arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
>> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
>> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And
>> there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years
>> ago
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
 Are those the Force 200 ?

 I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
 We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them
 out on their own adventures :)
 I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


 On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
 something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken
 to just do it right?

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across
>
>
> the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the
> mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked
>


 --

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Brian Sullivan]

How do you seal penetrations?


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light
aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming across flapping cable,
cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on
my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before
sending them out on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do three times as much
work to do something wrong, which then falls apart a
month later, as it would've taken to just do it right?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones
 wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i
have come across
the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they
actually took the mount out of plumb and fastened it
crooked




-- 

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Nate Burke]

Ok, I must be late to the party, what's the deal with silicone caulk?  
Like RTV silicone?  What do you use instead, and why don't you like it.


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light
aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming across flapping cable,
cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on
my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before
sending them out on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do three times as much
work to do something wrong, which then falls apart a
month later, as it would've taken to just do it right?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones
 wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i
have come across
the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they
actually took the mount out of plumb and fastened it
crooked




-- 

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Steve Jones]

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> silicone grease or caulk?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
>
> yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j
> arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and
> it failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
> cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And
> there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years
> ago
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Are those the Force 200 ?
>>>
>>> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
>>> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them
>>> out on their own adventures :)
>>> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
>>> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken
>>> to just do it right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across


 the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the
 mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Chuck McCown]

silicone grease or caulk?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j arms for 
the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and it failed. Im 
coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across 
the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on 
my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.




  On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them out 
on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.



On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do 
something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken to 
just do it right?

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across 


the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the 
mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked




-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, just tell me how many via email.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 8:47 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

But how do you know if it was doubled or not...? I assume you're going to be 
wanting to get some kind of a head count...


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Sure.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

  Chuck can I get 2 admissions by just doubling my price so I don't have to 
checkout twice? no option for multiple ticket purchase :)

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

For most of my youth I thought Pinchi Jaime was my name...


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 8:06 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  Heh

  On Mar 8, 2018 5:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Nope. Asshole is short for George. Or so I'm told.


On 3/8/2018 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.whatsinaname.net/male-names/Geo.html

  Probably an old fart thing.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 2:12 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

  I don't recall ever having heard anyone refer to George Washington as 
Geo before... but I did know that Geo is the diminutive of George...


  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Geo is the diminutive of George.  

Geo Washington but I guess Canadians don’t know this kind of 
stuff..   ;-)

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

Who is "Geo Orwell", or is that the hip peoples' way to refer to 
the author?


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

  Registration is now open:
  http://www.afmug.com/

  The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to 
sponsor.  
  Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line 
Products etc to sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.  

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Steve Jones]

yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light aluminum j arms
for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened the hose clamp and it
failed. Im coming across flapping cable, cable down inside the gutters,
cable laid across the dirt. DS mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And
there is silicone on my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Are those the Force 200 ?
>>
>> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
>> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them
>> out on their own adventures :)
>> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>>
>>
>> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
>> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken
>> to just do it right?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across
>>>
>>>
>>> the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the
>>> mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt - rese

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

only works in fixed frame mode for now...
  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ubnt - rese



  I moved to 8.5.1, where is this feature?

- Original Message - 
From: Joe Novak 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ubnt - rese


I've had it running on a sector array since the beta. I don't know that I 
have a good measure of how it's working, but, it's not generating support 
calls. 




Joe


On Mar 8, 2018 9:11 AM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

  This has been or in beta for awhile. It works well, especially on uplink.

  Keefe


  On March 8, 2018 8:37:05 AM CST, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote: 
Custom code to better nagivate interference released today in airmax ac 
products


I don't remember seeing this in the beta line...anyone played with it?


Sent from my smartphone



  -- 
  Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt - rese

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I moved to 8.5.1, where is this feature?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Novak 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ubnt - rese


  I've had it running on a sector array since the beta. I don't know that I 
have a good measure of how it's working, but, it's not generating support calls.




  Joe


  On Mar 8, 2018 9:11 AM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

This has been or in beta for awhile. It works well, especially on uplink.

Keefe


On March 8, 2018 8:37:05 AM CST, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
  Custom code to better nagivate interference released today in airmax ac 
products


  I don't remember seeing this in the beta line...anyone played with it?


  Sent from my smartphone



-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[Mathew Howard]

But how do you know if it was doubled or not...? I assume you're going to
be wanting to get some kind of a head count...

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sure.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 12:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018
>
> Chuck can I get 2 admissions by just doubling my price so I don't have to
> checkout twice? no option for multiple ticket purchase :)
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> For most of my youth I thought Pinchi Jaime was my name...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 8:06 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2018 5:42 PM, "George Skorup" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nope. Asshole is short for George. Or so I'm told.

 On 3/8/2018 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 http://www.whatsinaname.net/male-names/Geo.html

 Probably an old fart thing.

 *From:* Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 2:12 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

 I don't recall ever having heard anyone refer to George Washington as
 Geo before... but I did know that Geo is the diminutive of George...

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Geo is the diminutive of George.
>
> Geo Washington but I guess Canadians don’t know this kind of
> stuff..   ;-)
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018
>
> Who is "Geo Orwell", or is that the hip peoples' way to refer to the
> author?
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Registration is now open:
>> http://www.afmug.com/
>>
>> The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to sponsor.
>> Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line Products
>> etc to sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.
>>
>
>




>

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Mathew Howard]

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.



On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Are those the Force 200 ?
>
> I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
> We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them
> out on their own adventures :)
> I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.
>
>
> On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do
> something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've taken
> to just do it right?
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across
>>
>>
>> the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the
>> mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Dmitry Moiseev]

With ePMP we provide compatibility even with old XM radios. Please have a 
little bit of patience to see Force300 working with ePMP2000 AP.

Dmitry

From: Af  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 6:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

is that after the 450 firmware for the fsk side of the radio?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Josh,

Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in the 
next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. That's 
been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.

Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak 
mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone






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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Adam Moffett]

That's a good idea.
I know a couple of Spectrum field techs, and apparently they get 12 
weeks of training before they go out on their own.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/9/2018 10:24:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing


Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them 
out on their own adventures :)

I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do 
something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've 
taken to just do it right?


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across


the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took the 
mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked




--

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[Chuck McCown]

Sure.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

Chuck can I get 2 admissions by just doubling my price so I don't have to 
checkout twice? no option for multiple ticket purchase :)

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  For most of my youth I thought Pinchi Jaime was my name...


  Jaime Solorza

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 8:06 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Heh

On Mar 8, 2018 5:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Nope. Asshole is short for George. Or so I'm told.


  On 3/8/2018 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://www.whatsinaname.net/male-names/Geo.html

Probably an old fart thing.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 2:12 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

I don't recall ever having heard anyone refer to George Washington as 
Geo before... but I did know that Geo is the diminutive of George...


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Geo is the diminutive of George.  

  Geo Washington but I guess Canadians don’t know this kind of 
stuff..   ;-)

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 1:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

  Who is "Geo Orwell", or is that the hip peoples' way to refer to the 
author?


  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Registration is now open:
http://www.afmug.com/

The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to sponsor.  
Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line Products 
etc to sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.  

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Dave]

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before sending them 
out on their own adventures :)

I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Don't you just love it when people do three times as much work to do 
something wrong, which then falls apart a month later, as it would've 
taken to just do it right?


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i have come across


the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they actually took
the mount out of plumb and fastened it crooked




--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

Aero downforce

On 3/8/18 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
They're saying that as-is (with a 600+ mile range), the Roadster will be 
around 4000lbs, compared to the GT's 3300 and the Z06's 3500. It's not 
too hard to imagine a lower-range unit that is considerably lighter (the 
batteries alone are supposed to be close to 1800lbs). Point taken on the 
road car vs a track car, but that applies to all of these to some 
extent. And yes, the price is pretty absurd, the Z06 is much more 
reasonable.


  If Tesla had a 300 mile range version that was track-tuned it would be 
really hard to compete with I would think.


On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Rory Conaway > wrote:


0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking
about can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a
race track.  And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with
the entire car designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a
race car, it’s going to drive like crap on the street.  If you want
a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road track.  If you
want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla
roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat
it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when
prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s. 

__ __

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I
got hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla. 

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...

__ __

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is
going to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla
has a 0-60 of less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have
to buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or
the new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two
fastest track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche
918 ($1 million).

Travis



On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a
very nice race track nearby. 



*From:*Chuck McCown 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one
of these???



*From:*Travis Johnson 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or
later... LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car,
it is cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively
similar (not much out there that can boast these specs)
performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car
fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
on its own, but that is the car industry these days. 



On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the
wealthy to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com

>>
wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster





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