Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:- 
1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take). 
2) need small size radio 
3) need low power consumption 
4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast. 
5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq / interference 
issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate) 
6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks 
7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial intent to 
convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio). 

B24 is NOT for situations where ! 
1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles). 
3) You have symmetric traffic (i.e duplex ) 
4) You need a larger Radio :) 
5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

> Jaime Solorza

> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net >
> wrote:

>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane 
>> zone E
>> (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5 miles.

>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>> wrote:

>>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles? Small footprint, lower price...I see it has 
>>> place
>>> in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

>>> Jaime Solorza

>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:

 The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 Midwest Internet Exchange

 The Brothers WISP

 From: "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

 What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

 On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
 wrote:

> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 
> replacement,
> but… works for the application

> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Sam Lambie < 
> samtaos...@gmail.com
> >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

> Hey all,

> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and 
> these fit
> the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

> Thanks

> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> 

>> --

>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
>> C: 806.231.7180
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] we dead?

[Steve Jones]

I thought I might have been in a roman wilderness of pain

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Where do you think you ended up, my good Steve?  I could quote you some
> Dante, Milton or Marlowe!!! Hahaha (inject Vincent Price laughing
> malevolently)
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> is that it? is this the end?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Jaime Solorza]

I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
> miles.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
>> place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>>
>>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>> samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>>> sweet too.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
> C: 806.231.7180
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Adair Winter]

Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
miles.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
> place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>>
>> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
>> replacement, but… works for the application
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>> samtaos...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
>> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
>> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
>> sweet too.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Jaime Solorza]

Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it has
place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Adair Winter]

af24 is also full duplex, if that matters to you.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 7:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
>
>
>

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Mike Hammett]

The AF is much larger and thus has much more gain. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24? 


On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 





We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application 


From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Sam Lambie < 
samtaos...@gmail.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts? 





Hey all, 


Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think? 
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too. 


Thanks 


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

 

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[chuck]

I know what you mean.  I had a flight instructor think I was an idiot during 
autorotation practice in a helicopter.  From my point of view I took the rotor 
speed right up to the red line.  But since he was in the left seat parallax 
error made it look like I was overspeeding the rotor and he would violently 
punch the cyclic forward each time.  

Many years ago and I still wake up mad about it.  I kinda hope I run into him 
in a Starbucks someday, him taking orders behind the counter...

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

Yeah, it happened 25 years ago and it still pisses off.


On Wed, May 30, 2018, 4:10 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Somebody oughtta go to prison for a thing like that... although union hall 
catching fire does sound like a pretty good compromise...


  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 4:07 PM,  wrote:

I think that would be a good case for RICO.  Perhaps get some kind of 
prosecutor to attempt to raise hell with the union.  
Funny, union hall might catch fire too...

From: Robert 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit 
by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed off 
about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They 
were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we should 
contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the story, Hire at 
least one union guy in a union state. 

  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific 
groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four of 
them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000 members in 
total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor and see what you 
get back. 


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
 wrote:

  I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI. 
Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time. Concrete 
work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to 
one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large cellular 
constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar range. I took the 
quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of jobs.  

  If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in 
this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and 
willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work. 



  Thanks,

  Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Josh Baird]

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 
> replacement, but… works for the application 
> 
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
> fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Gino A. Villarini]

We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs

[Mathew Howard]

Now sold

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yup
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> Still got these available?
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2018 3:01 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a couple of brand new PMP-450i 900mhz APs, sitting on the shelf,
>> that it doesn't look like we'll be deploying at this point. $2100/each
>> shipped.
>>
>>
>>
>> No antennas or accessories, other than what comes in the box with the AP
>> included.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Lewis Bergman]

Yeah, it happened 25 years ago and it still pisses off.

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 4:10 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Somebody oughtta go to prison for a thing like that... although union hall
> catching fire does sound like a pretty good compromise...
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 4:07 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I think that would be a good case for RICO.  Perhaps get some kind of
>> prosecutor to attempt to raise hell with the union.
>> Funny, union hall might catch fire too...
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI
>>
>> Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit
>> by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed
>> off about private property trespassing out here in NV...
>>
>> On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower.
>> Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down.
>> They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local
>> we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
>> story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
>>> groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
>>> of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
>>> members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
>>> and see what you get back.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz >> > wrote:
>>>
 I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
 Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
 Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
 have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
 large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
 range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
 jobs.

 If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in
 this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area
 and willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it
 work.



 Thanks,

 Brandon



>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, looks like that message took about 24 hours to get to the list.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> It is again taking ~24H to post to the list.  I just saw a post I sent
> yesterday re power over LMR400.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this thing on?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410
> )
> 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Mathew Howard]

Somebody oughtta go to prison for a thing like that... although union hall
catching fire does sound like a pretty good compromise...


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 4:07 PM,  wrote:

> I think that would be a good case for RICO.  Perhaps get some kind of
> prosecutor to attempt to raise hell with the union.
> Funny, union hall might catch fire too...
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI
>
> Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit
> by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed
> off about private property trespassing out here in NV...
>
> On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. Next
> day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They
> were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we
> should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
> story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
>> groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
>> of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
>> members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
>> and see what you get back.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
>>> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
>>> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
>>> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
>>> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
>>> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
>>> jobs.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in
>>> this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area
>>> and willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[chuck]

FBI might.  Racketeering against interstate commerce.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

Whom would you sue?  No actual proof who did it. The sheriff in that heavily 
Union area wasn't hot on even coming out, much less prosecuting.


On Wed, May 30, 2018, 3:17 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I should think that would be actionable.
  I've never sued anybody, but I think I would over that.




  On 5/30/2018 3:57 PM, Robert wrote:

Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit 
by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed off 
about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They 
were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we should 
contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the story, Hire at 
least one union guy in a union state. 


  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific 
groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four of 
them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000 members in 
total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor and see what you 
get back. 


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
 wrote:

  I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI. 
Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time. Concrete 
work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to 
one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large cellular 
constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar range. I took the 
quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of jobs.  

  If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in 
this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and 
willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work. 



  Thanks,

  Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[chuck]

I think that would be a good case for RICO.  Perhaps get some kind of 
prosecutor to attempt to raise hell with the union.  
Funny, union hall might catch fire too...

From: Robert 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit by, 
armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed off about 
private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. Next 
day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They were 
kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we should 
contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the story, Hire at 
least one union guy in a union state. 

  On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific 
groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four of 
them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000 members in 
total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor and see what you 
get back. 


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

  I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI. 
Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time. Concrete 
work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to 
one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large cellular 
constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar range. I took the 
quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of jobs.  

  If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in this 
they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and 
willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work. 



  Thanks,

  Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Eric Muehleisen]

This is interesting. I definitely want to be in compliance, but I also know
that these detection are 100% false. We have redundant AP's on the same
tower mounted at the same height pointing the same direction, but 20mhz
apart, and they don't trip DFS. It's like there is a magical packet or
multipath event that causes this. We may have to give 15.0.2 a try.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM Darren Shea  wrote:

> I’ll vouch for Sean’s experience on these – we also had to roll back a
> bunch of DFS 15.1-15.1.3 APs to 15.0.2 to deal with a ridiculous level of
> false radar detections. I haven’t yet tried 15.1.5 on any of those, but
> there wasn’t any indication they dealt with that in release notes.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events
>
>
>
> 15.0.2 is the least finicky with DFS.  above that cambium changed the code
> to be more restrictive to meet new FCC rules (or something like that)
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
> If someone has the holy grail on what firmware for reducing DFS on 450.
> I'd love to hear it. We are on 15.1.1 and the false DFS hits are killing us
> lately. See attached. This is one AP for the past couple days. It's been
> terrible around here.
>
> [image: DFS_450.png]
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> ​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very stable DFS
> performance and for APs where we saw issues, we have left
>
> it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware though.​
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to
> DFS events. By far.
>
> On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS
> events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way
> less events on Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�
>
> �
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Lewis Bergman]

Whom would you sue?  No actual proof who did it. The sheriff in that
heavily Union area wasn't hot on even coming out, much less prosecuting.

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 3:17 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I should think that would be actionable.
> I've never sued anybody, but I think I would over that.
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2018 3:57 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and sit
> by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That pissed
> off about private property trespassing out here in NV...
>
> On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. Next
> day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They
> were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we
> should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
> story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
>> groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
>> of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
>> members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
>> and see what you get back.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
>>> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
>>> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
>>> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
>>> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
>>> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
>>> jobs.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in
>>> this they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area
>>> and willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Darren Shea]

I’ll vouch for Sean’s experience on these – we also had to roll back a bunch of 
DFS 15.1-15.1.3 APs to 15.0.2 to deal with a ridiculous level of false radar 
detections. I haven’t yet tried 15.1.5 on any of those, but there wasn’t any 
indication they dealt with that in release notes.

 

n  Darren

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

 

15.0.2 is the least finicky with DFS.  above that cambium changed the code to 
be more restrictive to meet new FCC rules (or something like that)

 

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

If someone has the holy grail on what firmware for reducing DFS on 450. I'd 
love to hear it. We are on 15.1.1 and the false DFS hits are killing us lately. 
See attached. This is one AP for the past couple days. It's been terrible 
around here.

DFS_450.png

 

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very stable DFS 
performance and for APs where we saw issues, we have left

it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware though.​

 

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to DFS 
events. By far.

On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:



Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS events? Im 
assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way less events on 
Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�


�

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Error! Filename not specified.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Aren't they running power for RVs to each space, especially if these are
long term rentals?

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> ONT+NID takes space, also where do you get power for the ONT? Using 120V
> on the same pole is an option but I'd prefer not rely directly on
> (sometimes questionable) 120V power in such places, or putting a
> PoE-powered ONT.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
>> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
>> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
>> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
>> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>>
>>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>>> they need to hardwire.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
 with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
 This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
 park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
 avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
 that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
 lease term will be monthly.

 While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
 conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
 Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
 complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
 hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
 reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
 we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
 stuff of nightmares.

 We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
 spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
 that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

 Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
 equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
 at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
 haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
 interesting.


 Thank you,

 Chris Starritt
 Western Broadband
 supp...@ecpi.com
 512-257-1077

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[can...@believewireless.net]

​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very stable DFS
performance and for APs where we saw issues, we have left
it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware though.​

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to
> DFS events. By far.
>
> On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS
> events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way
> less events on Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�
>
> �
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Colin Stanners]

ONT+NID takes space, also where do you get power for the ONT? Using 120V on
the same pole is an option but I'd prefer not rely directly on (sometimes
questionable) 120V power in such places, or putting a PoE-powered ONT.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
> on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
> cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
> cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
> running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
>> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
>> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
>> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
>> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>>
>> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
>> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
>> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
>> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
>> they need to hardwire.
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>>
>>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>>> lease term will be monthly.
>>>
>>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>>> stuff of nightmares.
>>>
>>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Chris Starritt
>>> Western Broadband
>>> supp...@ecpi.com
>>> 512-257-1077
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Cameron Crum]

Why run ethernet? This seems ideal for fiber. Put a small box for the ONT
on the same pole as the electrical hookup with about 20 ft of ethernet
cable so they can drag it through a window and call it a day. Rent them a
cheap router if they want wifi or mount a small loco ac or something
running as a low powered AP and alternate frequencies every 3 or 4 spaces.




On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal
> boosters" that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal
> to their booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand
> that the signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's
> interference from mobile hotspots etc
>
> I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with
> outdoor-grade ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge
> protector on each line as it returns to your switch). You can try offering
> some service over wifi but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds
> they need to hardwire.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:
>
>> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park
>> with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.
>> This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV
>> park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to
>> avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client
>> that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
>> lease term will be monthly.
>>
>> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay
>> conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
>> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
>> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
>> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
>> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
>> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
>> stuff of nightmares.
>>
>> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
>> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
>> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>>
>> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any
>> equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking
>> at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We
>> haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks
>> interesting.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris Starritt
>> Western Broadband
>> supp...@ecpi.com
>> 512-257-1077
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Eric Muehleisen]

We got what we needed. Thanks everyone!

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:28 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> We have approximately 50, let me know how many you need
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We have Telrad 3000, Telrad 6000, and Telrad 7000.
>> Telrad 3000 is the same as PMP320 but with different firmware.
>>
>> I'm sure these won't work with Motorola's bridge mode, but they are Wimax
>> and ought to connect.  If they would help you any, let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2018 3:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>>
>>> Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our
>>> PMP 320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me know
>>> if you can part with any.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Ryan Ray]

We have approximately 50, let me know how many you need


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We have Telrad 3000, Telrad 6000, and Telrad 7000.
> Telrad 3000 is the same as PMP320 but with different firmware.
>
> I'm sure these won't work with Motorola's bridge mode, but they are Wimax
> and ought to connect.  If they would help you any, let me know.
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2018 3:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
>> Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our PMP
>> 320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me know if
>> you can part with any.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Adam Moffett]

I should think that would be actionable.
I've never sued anybody, but I think I would over that.


On 5/30/2018 3:57 PM, Robert wrote:
Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and 
sit by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That 
pissed off about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut 
down. They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which 
union local we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. 
The moral of the story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry
specific groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc).
There's about four of them that are really active, and between
the groups probably 30,000 members in total. Put out a message
that you're looking for a contractor and see what you get back.


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in
Northern WI. Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely
prepped ahead of time. Concrete work will all be done and the
towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to one company
from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large
cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a
similar range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be
doing these small of jobs.

If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is
interested in this they can hit me off list for more details.
If you are out of the area and willing to travel up give me a
shout as well might be able to make it work.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Adam Moffett]

We have Telrad 3000, Telrad 6000, and Telrad 7000.
Telrad 3000 is the same as PMP320 but with different firmware.

I'm sure these won't work with Motorola's bridge mode, but they are 
Wimax and ought to connect.  If they would help you any, let me know.



On 5/30/2018 3:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our 
PMP 320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me 
know if you can part with any.

Re: [AFMUG] Bad surge card symptoms between MT and Rocket

[Josh Luthman]

I'm wondering from other MT/UBNT users if they had similar symptoms and it
is in fact a bad card.  I'm really hoping that's all it is - easier for me
to fix (as it's done) and you make another buck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM,  wrote:

> Surge protectors get wounded when they are doing their jobs.  They can
> only take so many hits before they start causing trouble.  No good way to
> test them.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Bad surge card symptoms between MT and Rocket
>
> Ultimately I'm wondering if a line replacement is pointless or a good
> idea.
>
> We had a Rocket that just all of a sudden would negotiate at 10 meg
> (instead of 100).  It passed a few kbps but nothing really.  Should be
> passing 50+ Meg.
>
> I go to the site and try 100 full static on both sides.  No link.
>
> Replaced card and POE and it started working.
>
> Chugging fine now but I wasn't sure what the collective does.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] test

[Josh Luthman]

Which day?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM,  wrote:

> Sent 12:27 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Robert]

Darn, ( using polite word ) I have friends that would stack again and 
sit by, armed, just looking for the opportunity to "discuss"...   That 
pissed off about private property trespassing out here in NV...


On 5/30/18 12:52 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. 
Next day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut 
down. They were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which 
union local we should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. 
The moral of the story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry
specific groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc).
There's about four of them that are really active, and between the
groups probably 30,000 members in total. Put out a message that
you're looking for a contractor and see what you get back.


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in
Northern WI. Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely
prepped ahead of time. Concrete work will all be done and the
towers will be on site waiting. We have talked to one company
from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large
cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a
similar range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be
doing these small of jobs.

If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is
interested in this they can hit me off list for more details.
If you are out of the area and willing to travel up give me a
shout as well might be able to make it work.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Colin Stanners]

Be careful of selling service over Wi-FI... customers buy "signal boosters"
that run their own DHCP server, or they see a very strong signal to their
booster and complain that their service sucks (don't understand that the
signal from the booster to your network is low). And there's interference
from mobile hotspots etc

I would do like Adam says, run ethernet lines everywhere with outdoor-grade
ethernet connection boxes (make sure to have a surge protector on each line
as it returns to your switch). You can try offering some service over wifi
but tell customers that if they want reliable speeds they need to hardwire.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
> around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
> isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
> they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
> providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
> wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
> lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
> so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
> recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
> doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
> any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Colin Stanners]

We had some before, I will check if we still have some to sell.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our PMP
> 320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me know if
> you can part with any.
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[chuck]

lynksees router in a rubbermaid container and lots of rtv.  Zip tie to power 
pole.

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270… 

 

Dennis

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

 

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

 

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

 

Thank you,

 

Chris Starritt

Western Broadband

supp...@ecpi.com

512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs

[Mathew Howard]

Yup

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Still got these available?
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2018 3:01 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs
>
>
>
> I have a couple of brand new PMP-450i 900mhz APs, sitting on the shelf,
> that it doesn't look like we'll be deploying at this point. $2100/each
> shipped.
>
>
>
> No antennas or accessories, other than what comes in the box with the AP
> included.
>

Re: [AFMUG] FW: ISP Radio at 11am Central

[Jaime Solorza]

This message just dropped into bin... strange

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 1:25 PM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> www.ispradio.com  ..
>
>
>
> *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org  *On Behalf
> Of *Claude Aiken
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:29 AM
> *To:* members 
> *Subject:* [WISPA Members] ISP Radio at 11am Central
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I'm joining Dennis to talk what is going on with WISPA on ISP Radio today
> at 11am Central. Wanted to let y'all know in case you're interested in
> joining.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Claude
>
>
>
> Claude Aiken
> President & CEO
> WISPA
> 202-578-6197
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Robert]

I am assuming here you meant tannerite

On 5/30/18 10:59 AM, Dave wrote:
I heard Tenamite works well in these situations LOL kidding dont use 
that stuff



On 05/25/2018 10:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i 
use on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 
3/4" thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than 
a hardware store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 
bucks in bulk online


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short
length of conduit on the outside with a sweep.

If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you
can get longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4
inches).

bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:


Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a
1/2" steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to
get 6 cat cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside
at the top of the tower.

-- 
*Mike Davis*

General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net
_

*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net

PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703


| 260-349-1799







--

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Lewis Bergman]

I think it was Wisconsin in winter where we stacked a 485 foot tower. Next
day we came to the site to finish cleanup and it had been cut down. They
were kind enough to leave a sign on the fence as to which union local we
should contact if we wanted to build it again. Thugs. The moral of the
story, Hire at least one union guy in a union state.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
> groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
> of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
> members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
> and see what you get back.
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
>> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
>> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
>> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
>> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
>> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
>> jobs.
>>
>> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in this
>> they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and
>> willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] we dead?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Sounds like the beginning of a song...

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> is that it? is this the end?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Solo

[Jaime Solorza]

I saw Star Wars in 70s...first one...yawn

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:51 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I liked it.  Critics are panning it but I thought it was as fun as most
> Star Wars movies.
>
> Somebody should have gotten shot under the table though.
>

[AFMUG] Looking for PMP 320 SM's

[Eric Muehleisen]

Major storms rolled through our territory and took out a bunch of our PMP
320 SM's. Our inventory is getting a little light. Please let me know if
you can part with any.

Re: [AFMUG] we dead?

[Jaime Solorza]

Where do you think you ended up, my good Steve?  I could quote you some
Dante, Milton or Marlowe!!! Hahaha (inject Vincent Price laughing
malevolently)

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> is that it? is this the end?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Bill Prince]

Works all the way to within 10 miles of the Pacific Ocean.

bp


On 5/30/2018 11:34 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Is this thing on? 

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Carl Peterson]

It is again taking ~24H to post to the list.  I just saw a post I sent
yesterday re power over LMR400.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is this thing on?




-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Steve Jones]

we have a campground running conduit from the tower where they get our
service to the middle of a campsite cluster to a pole theyre putting in. We
know we will put fiber in the conduit, thats as far as we have gotten. We
have the option to monetize, but instead are letting the campground mother
just handle tokens. looking at cambium if cnmaestro has an old lady
friendly interface for this side (just generate a token for x days and be
done, they said they probably wont monetize either) about all we will do is
put our *provided by logo on the splash page

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:07 PM, castarritt  wrote:

> We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
> around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
> isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
> they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
> providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
> wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
> lease term will be monthly.
>
> While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
> so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
> Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
> complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
> hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
> reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
> we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
> stuff of nightmares.
>
> We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
> spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
> that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.
>
> Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
> recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
> doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
> any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Starritt
> Western Broadband
> supp...@ecpi.com
> 512-257-1077
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[David Coudron]

Looks like it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:34:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Test

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Power over LMR400

[chuck]

It is rated for 16 kW but that may be dielectric breakdown voltage limitation.  
But we know it will at least do that.
So sqrt(16k/50)=17.88 amps

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Power over LMR400

How many AMPs can I safely push over LMR-400 at 48V?  Around 175'.  I would 
like to power a Netonix IDC switch off of my DC plant using 10-15A but I'm not 
sure what LMR is rated for.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[George Skorup]

My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to 
DFS events. By far.


On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS 
events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I 
see way less events on Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by 
side study.


*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Jaime Solorza]

Uno Dos Tres

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:34 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is this thing on?

[AFMUG] test

[chuck]

Sent 12:27 MDT

Re: [AFMUG] Bad surge card symptoms between MT and Rocket

[chuck]

Surge protectors get wounded when they are doing their jobs.  They can only 
take so many hits before they start causing trouble.  No good way to test them. 
 

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bad surge card symptoms between MT and Rocket

Ultimately I'm wondering if a line replacement is pointless or a good idea. 

We had a Rocket that just all of a sudden would negotiate at 10 meg (instead of 
100).  It passed a few kbps but nothing really.  Should be passing 50+ Meg.

I go to the site and try 100 full static on both sides.  No link.

Replaced card and POE and it started working.

Chugging fine now but I wasn't sure what the collective does.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Dennis Burgess]

Also note, that Ethernet is not complicated, Hotspot it and go from there.  
Don’t forget to sell cards for internet access.  I.e. you put a small vending 
machine there that sells them 1 day or 7 days etc access.

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Adam Moffett]

RV's are aluminum cans.  My experience with wifi to campers and RV's has 
not been positive.  Outdoor coverage is easy, getting it reliably into 
all the RV's is less easy.


If you don't run wires now while you can, then you'll regret it later 
IMO.  Ideally do both, there will be people who don't have a router and 
only have WiFi devices as options, and there will be people who really 
need it to work 100% of the time because they'll want to work out of the 
RV park, and for them you'll wish you had a wired option.


Somebody is presumably trenching for water and electric to these pads, 
so maybe you can lay a conduit next to the water lines while the trench 
is open.

-Adam



On 5/30/2018 2:07 PM, castarritt wrote:
We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his 
tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
to the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  
He wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us 
charge every client that wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a 
campground; his shortest lease term will be monthly.


While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted 
to.  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One 
potential complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g 
PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired 
service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 
100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within sight of 
our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.


We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet 
ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
suggestions.


Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 
sectors.  We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but 
the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.



Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com 
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyser

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep
http://rfexplorer.com/models/

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:09 PM Matt  wrote:

> Anyone know of an affordable spectrum analyser that covers ~ 0.9-6hz or
> better?
>

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[Dennis Burgess]

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270…

Dennis

From: Af  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with 
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This isn't 
the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and they 
handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid providing wi-fi 
himself, and will instead let us charge every client that wants service 
separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest lease term will be 
monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit, so 
we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.  Alternatively, we 
could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential complication is that we 
have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV 
park, so while wired service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the 
potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within 
sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over spectrum, 
as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports that the 
customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment 
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either 
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used any 
of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.

Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Jason McKemie]

Seeing this on 5/30 @ 12:32pm central time.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Test
>
> From:  on behalf of Sean Heskett <
> af...@zirkel.us>
> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List , "af@afmug.com" ,
> "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack
>
> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
> the best fix.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/
> 05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-
> infecting-500k-devices/
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[chuck]

Looks like the list might be back.  They rebooted the VM that it was on.  

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

Make your own. 

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:47 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:

  Agreed, but the way their warehouse fees work it’s best to order them in 
quantity or with other gear.


  Jeff Broadwick 
  CTIconnect

  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

  On May 25, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:


Kp performance

On May 25, 2018 4:50 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

  What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
  inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.

[AFMUG] FW: ISP Radio at 11am Central

[Dennis Burgess]

www.ispradio.com  ..

From: members-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of Claude 
Aiken
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:29 AM
To: members 
Subject: [WISPA Members] ISP Radio at 11am Central

Folks,

I'm joining Dennis to talk what is going on with WISPA on ISP Radio today at 
11am Central. Wanted to let y'all know in case you're interested in joining.

Thanks,
Claude

Claude Aiken
President & CEO
WISPA
202-578-6197

[AFMUG] we dead?

[Steve Jones]

is that it? is this the end?

Re: [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Still got these available?

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 3:01 PM
To: af
Subject: [AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs

 

I have a couple of brand new PMP-450i 900mhz APs, sitting on the shelf, that it 
doesn't look like we'll be deploying at this point. $2100/each shipped. 

 

No antennas or accessories, other than what comes in the box with the AP 
included.

[AFMUG] OT Movie Solo

[Chuck McCown]

I liked it.  Critics are panning it but I thought it was as fun as most Star 
Wars movies.  

Somebody should have gotten shot under the table though.

[AFMUG] Power over LMR400

[Carl Peterson]

How many AMPs can I safely push over LMR-400 at 48V?  Around 175'.  I would
like to power a Netonix IDC switch off of my DC plant using 10-15A but I'm
not sure what LMR is rated for.

[AFMUG] Test

[Jason McKemie]

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Eric Kuhnke]

I would recommend joining the largest Facebook tower industry specific
groups (search groups for tower climbing, tower, etc). There's about four
of them that are really active, and between the groups probably 30,000
members in total. Put out a message that you're looking for a contractor
and see what you get back.


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI.
> Towers are 140’ and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time.
> Concrete work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We
> have talked to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of
> large cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar
> range. I took the quotes as they didn’t want to be doing these small of
> jobs.
>
> If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in this
> they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and
> willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Eric Kuhnke]

Portable spectrum analyzers only capable of up to around 1600 MHz are also
pretty cheap from Chinese sources now, if you want something that is not a
radio but a general purpose unit you can attach to your own selection of
yagis and dipoles. Would recommend something like this for people doing a
lot of 900 MHz or getting into TVWS bands sub-1GHz.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HSA2016A-USB-interface-Handheld-Digital-spectrum-analyzer-with-portable-Field-Strength-Meter-spectrum-monitor/32845561598.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.22.4f734b70jM6PLT&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10547_10342_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10696_10084_10083_10618_10307_10059_308_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_3&algo_expid=2b1215dc-9f68-4604-af7b-e7c417178cda-3&algo_pvid=2b1215dc-9f68-4604-af7b-e7c417178cda&transAbTest=ae803_1&priceBeautifyAB=0




On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If you want a 900mhz spectrum analyzer, there are lots of options. You
> could get a UBNT radio pretty cheap or Canopy FSK radio for next to nothing
> that'll do the job just fine.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Midpoints is what we try to get in these situations. If the customer is
>> worth having, it's great, they handle the funny business with the midpoint
>> property owner (usually they pay for that customers service) and it leaves
>> you the ability to serve other customers on the other side of the tree line.
>>
>> Fyi Ubnt used to have a 900 mhz USB spectrum analyzer. I put mine in a
>> small project box with 10' usb and small adapter to N on an 11dbi yagi with
>> a screwdriver through the hole as a handle. Worked great for checking noise
>> and tracing interference for under 60 bucks. Better than investing in 450
>> and it sitting on your shelf because the electric company wants to remotely
>> rape people.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:52 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is
>>> cheap at the treeline.  Solar powered.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>>
>>> Yeah... but that only works if you have property access.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really
 is not that far if you have property access.

 *From:* Eric Kuhnke
 *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

 Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range,
 and a 900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna.

 For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up
 to 3' dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel.
 Might have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and
 through "some" trees.

 On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going
> to work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart
> meters around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can 
> be
> pretty unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is
> definitely the best option.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> 900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles
>> completely NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain
>> and through heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
>>> How much bandwidth do you need?
>>> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy
>>> environment on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
>>> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to
>>> the new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even 
>>> better,
>>> but I haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.

 Travis


 On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Ye

[AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
sweet too.

Thanks

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

[AFMUG] Bad surge card symptoms between MT and Rocket

[Josh Luthman]

Ultimately I'm wondering if a line replacement is pointless or a good idea.

We had a Rocket that just all of a sudden would negotiate at 10 meg
(instead of 100).  It passed a few kbps but nothing really.  Should be
passing 50+ Meg.

I go to the site and try 100 full static on both sides.  No link.

Replaced card and POE and it started working.

Chugging fine now but I wasn't sure what the collective does.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Wooden utility poles - when are they no good?

[Steve D]

So, we have a small repeater site on private land, pole goes about 25'
above ground.  I'm a bit leery of its lifespan, it was old looking when we
acquired the site, and that was 10 years ago.  Its got some severe checking
the whole way up, the longest being about 6' and the deepest being 5.5"
deep.

Did a drill test to see what it was like inside.  In ground level it
drilled solid, and using a 18" bit (non-auger) required multiple plunges.
Having drilled many a log (log homes are common) it felt solid.  About 3'
above ground was different though, I was able to drill in 18" in a single
plunge.  Not hollow inside, but definitely soft.

I'm thinking this thing is done and the owner should replace it but I have
no idea at what point these things are considered unsafe.  I'd rather it be
a nice chunk of steel, but the costs of putting up a tower are a tad
exorbitant given what it serves.

Thoughts?

[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyser

[Matt]

Anyone know of an affordable spectrum analyser that covers ~ 0.9-6hz or better?

[AFMUG] RV park network design

[castarritt]

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park with
around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his tenants.  This
isn't the typical situation where we would sell service to the RV park, and
they handle distributing it to their customers.  He wants to avoid
providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us charge every client that
wants service separately.  Also, this isn't a campground; his shortest
lease term will be monthly.

While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay conduit,
so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted to.
Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One potential
complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g PMP450s a couple
hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired service could be more
reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 100 customer wi-fi routers
we can't control operating within sight of our PMP450 POP sounds like the
stuff of nightmares.

We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet ports
that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to suggestions.

Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any equipment
recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was looking at either
doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 sectors.  We haven't used
any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the cnPilot E501S looks interesting.


Thank you,

Chris Starritt
Western Broadband
supp...@ecpi.com
512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Dave]

I heard Tenamite works well in these situations LOL kidding dont use 
that stuff



On 05/25/2018 10:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i 
use on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 
3/4" thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than 
a hardware store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 
bucks in bulk online


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short
length of conduit on the outside with a sweep.

If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you
can get longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4
inches).

bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:


Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a
1/2" steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to
get 6 cat cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside
at the top of the tower.

-- 
*Mike Davis*

General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net
_

*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net

PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703


| 260-349-1799







--

Re: [AFMUG] SOHO router hack

[Dave]

Yep +1google
I have been seeing this for a while so its standard procedure to do 
internal ACL allow only along with all user levels protected and change 
the remote web port which is dropped at the edges fo sho.



On 05/25/2018 10:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
or use a drop all input rule with ACL, pretty much the bees knees next 
to not having a public IP


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Mikrotiks are affected too please upgrade your firmware and keep
your firewall updated on routers with Public IP's


On Fri, May 25, 2018, 7:19 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill
the malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change
passwords etc. is the best fix.


https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/






--

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks Josh

AFMUG apparently is not…

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

Working Gino


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Test

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Members mailing list
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Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Mike Davis]

Six cables through one hole - don't want any more holes than necessary 
in the water tower. I figure it will be easier to drill the one larger 
hole, too.


I had not thought about using a bulkhead connector. At this point, that 
seems like the best solution.


On 5/25/2018 11:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i 
use on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 
3/4" thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than 
a hardware store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 
bucks in bulk online


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short
length of conduit on the outside with a sweep.

If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you
can get longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4
inches).

bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:


Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a
1/2" steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to
get 6 cat cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside
at the top of the tower.

-- 
*Mike Davis*

General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net
_

*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net

PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703


| 260-349-1799

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Josh Luthman]

Working Gino


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Test
>
> From:  on behalf of Sean Heskett <
> af...@zirkel.us>
> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List , "af@afmug.com" ,
> "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack
>
> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
> the best fix.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/
> 05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-
> infecting-500k-devices/
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Test

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

[AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS events? Im 
assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way less events on 
Epmp than on 450… Will have to do a side by side study.



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Mitch Koep]

Ours died in the first month (3 of them)

We are looking for a better more rigged device

Mitch


On 5/25/2018 1:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We sent a couple in and got them replaced.  Blue one works just fine 
but the red one needs a zip tie for the cat5 (again).



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:17 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


Yep, we use the Powerlink for installs as well.   With that, the
entire install process can be done from the phone, which makes
things very portable and quick.   We use the mAP for tower tech
work.  The only issue we have with the Powerlinks is that they can
be a little fragile, we really have to protect the Ethernet ports
or they break.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

We love the bigger Powerlink (wouldn't waste time on the smaller one)

Work trucks have Toughbooks. There are some holes in them and all
kinds of dropped on concrete scuffs.  They still work. We'll
replace them when they get super slow/battery doesn't last a work day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

+1 we also use Powerlink, and they are amazing.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

We started using the Powerlink from link technologies.
So far our guys love em. The POE and wireless are built in.
a full charge will last them the whole day.



On 05/21/2018 01:10 PM, David Coudron wrote:

Very true.   However, we found that if we have to
carry the USB dongle anyway, that carrying the mAP
instead gave us much more freedom and reliability (the
USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could
even sit in the truck and work on the equipment
without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc. Or have
two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.
However, there are lots of ways to skin this cat as
you mention 😊  Probably the biggest thing is that you
can connect to the network using a phone rather than
just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.

Regards,

David Coudron

**

**

**

*From:* Af 
 *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field
Laptop

USB ethernet fixes that :)

On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same
fashion as Steve mentions with some pretty good
results. Put IP addresses on the one interface as
needed and then connect wirelessly. We were
killing EIthernet ports too often due to the
stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on
our tower sites. They just put too much pressure
on kinds of Ethernet ports many laptops have. 
Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin
laptop with an Ethernet port anyway.

Additionally the techs are doing everything they
can from their phones these days.   Normal Mimosa
installs are entirely phone based.   Our main tech
avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can
firmware update the client radios, configure the
radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc
all from the phone.   We really only use the
laptop and mAP for tower work now, and much of
that has moved to the phones too.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* Af 
 *On Behalf Of *Nate
Burke
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Chuck McCown]

Plasma or acetylene. 

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i use on 
single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 3/4" thread, so 
the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than a hardware store, like 6 
for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 bucks in bulk online

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short length of 
conduit on the outside with a sweep. 


  If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you can get 
longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4 inches).


bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:

Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" steel 
plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat cables from the 
inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of the tower.

-- 
Mike Davis
General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: mikeda...@allianceinternet.net

Alliance Internet Communications | www.allianceinternet.net
PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703 | 260-349-1799

Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[Jason Wilson]

Make your own.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:47 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Agreed, but the way their warehouse fees work it’s best to order them in
> quantity or with other gear.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On May 25, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> Kp performance
> On May 25, 2018 4:50 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
>> inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.
>>
>