Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

2014-12-16 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
My chiropractor when I was younger was named Wayne Knauf.  His brother’s name 
was Jack. I always wondered if their parents knew.

Pop this in google: Dr. Wayne knauf Alexandria, mn



On Dec 16, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 One day, way back in the dialup days, when people would sign up for an 
 account, they’d have no idea what to use for an email address.  So we 
 suggested ‘first name, initial of last name.’
  
 One day, an older gent comes in, signs up.  My coworker brings me the form, I 
 start to set it all up.  Then I notice the email address.
  
 ‘Doug,’ I say, to my older, straight-laced, religious-type co-worker, ‘are 
 you sure about this email address?’
 ‘Yes,’ he says.
 ‘Really?’  says I.
 ‘Yes, ‘ he says.  ‘Don G.  That’s his name.’
 ‘Look at the form, Doug,’ I urge.  ‘Look at it.’
 He looks.
 ‘Don G at ourdomain.com.  Looks fine to me,’ he says.
 ‘Keep looking,’ I say, and I wait.
 Tick.
 Tick.
 Tick.
 “OH NO! “ and out he races to attempt to catch the man who just signed up for 
 an email address of ‘d...@ourdomain.com’.
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 2:59 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 Seriously, that would have been very cool.
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af
 Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 12:48 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 That's funny.  My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say that 
 one out loud.  Arrow SmithI don't think so.
  
 On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 My last name is House.   When my son was on the way my wife and I  were 
 discussing names for him.   She suggested Porter.   She was serious until I 
 made her say his whole name out loud.  
  
 Craig
  
  
 From: Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub.
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  
 But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, 
 otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.
  
 There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though.  I worked with 
 a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke.  I 
 went to school with a Jerry Ferry.  Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a 
 lot of software from Cambium’s website.
  
 From: Craig House via Af
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover
  
  
 From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.
  
  
 On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
 I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from.  Like I.P. 
 Freely.   Seymour Butts  juvenile stuff.
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
 On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 It took me a moment...
  
 From: Jaime Solorza via Af
 Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
  
 My favorite is Chuck U. Farley
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
 On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined.
  
 Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st 
 century.



[AFMUG] PTP230 Log Entries

2014-12-08 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Can someone tell me what the following means:
12/08/2014 : 13:32:40 MDT : Event: SMSESMSG, MsgType: KARSP, NewState: 
REGISTERED, Flag 0
12/08/2014 : 13:32:48 MDT : Event: SMSESMSG, MsgType: KAREQTO, NewState: 
REGISTERED, Flag 0

[AFMUG] Census block data

2014-12-04 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Where can I find census block data? Preferably in a GIS format?


Re: [AFMUG] Census block data

2014-12-04 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Thank You! 

Exatly what I needed.

On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 The Census Bureau.
 
 http://bit.ly/1zVtOxI
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Dan Petermann via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:46:58 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Census block data
 
 Where can I find census block data? Preferably in a GIS format?



Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh

2014-11-25 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
+1

On Nov 21, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Dear Cambium,
 
 Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your 
 other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs 
 on the Mac???
 
 I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it 
 should be possible since it's Java.
 
 Thanks,
 sean
 



Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain?

2014-11-25 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
+1

On Nov 21, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 dear cambium,
 
 please just offer us one low price year round and stop with the speed keys 
 for SMs.
 
 I live in NW CO where we can install APs and backhauls from May to Oct.  The 
 rest of the year it's too snowy, icy and cold out to even try to get to our 
 towers, all of which are above 7,000 feet MSL and several are above 10,000 
 MSL.  a special price on APs or backhauls from Oct to May does me no good and 
 I will simply ignore your advertising attempts.
 
 We install SMs year round.  every time we go to purchase SMs (and we buy a 
 lot) the price changes $20-40 per SM.  Please make this stop...I'd like to 
 know my costs are stable and not blowing in the wind so that i can get busy 
 installing more clients and therefore buying more SMs from you.
 
 Also with regards to the license keys for the SMs, this is a huge extra cost 
 burden and the key is stuck to the device for eternity so i there for have to 
 constantly track which SM has which key and what plan the client is 
 subscribed to.  When they cancel i have to set aside as special inventory all 
 the keyed SMs.  So now we have to stock 900, 2.4 and 5.7 FSK, 5.4 430, and 
 5Ghz 450 20Mbps and unlimited...That's 6 different SMs to track and stock and 
 a lot of times the unlimited 450s that come back into inventory get mixed up 
 and redeployed to a client that only needs a 20Mbps key :-/  also we have to 
 stock and track the keys in the licensing portal so that we don't run out.
 
 YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING LIGHTBULBS (SMs)...SELL ME MORE SMs AND 
 YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY.
 
 2 cents
 
 -Sean
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Scott Imhoff via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 All,
 
  
 
 You may or may not have noticed but Cambium is trying a new concept on our 
 web site called “Cambium Outlet” to make available at substantial discount 
 material that we have in excess.  The page can be viewed at:
 
  
 
 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cambium-outlet
 
  
 
 The list will be updated on a periodic basis, approximately every two to 
 three months, based on changes in part number inventory.
 
  
 
 We welcome any suggestions to improve the page and process.
 
  
 
 Happy hunting!
 
  
 
 Scott
 
 



Re: [AFMUG] RANT: Cambium Spec sheets

2014-11-25 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Nope, not working. 

I’ve just wasted almost 2 hours on a project because I can’t get the data I 
need for a client. This is why having to enter data just to get info on a 
product is a very bad idea. If they hadn’t specified the radios I would have 
went elsewhere. 

Having said that I need the following:
ePMP - the entire line including the PTP series and antennas.
PTP450 and antennas





On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Ray Savich via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hi 
 It should be working now. Let me know what specific one(s) you need.
 Ray
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] RANT: Cambium Spec sheets
 
 Here I sit trying to get work done for the week and I need some specs for 
 some Cambium gear.
 
 Go to the website select the data sheets I need, enter the captcha data and 
 nothing.
 
 Enter the new one after the page reloads noting happens.
 
 Do it again. no spec sheet
 
 Enter it again after another reload.nothing.
 
 Look for similar gear where data sheets are not a national 
 secret..JACKPOT!



Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

2014-11-13 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
+∞

On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Craig Schmaderer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I’ll make a deal with you, the day you stop making me fill out the stupid 
 form when I want to download a spec sheet, is the day that I will start to 
 use your forum.  And I am not joking.  Please start the petition now by 
 adding a +1 to this post.
  
 Craig R. Schmaderer
 CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
 Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
 Direct: 402-372-1052
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:12 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
  
 Not trying to take away from conversation here at all… AFMUG will never die!
  
 Just saying that more of the Cambium employees will see the messages at our 
 community, so if there’s something that requires more Cambium eyes, it might 
 get you an answer sooner to discuss there…
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:09 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
  
 Sounds like we need to have a rumble, Cambium can be the jets, we will be the 
 Sharks, we need to find some broad named Maria
  
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Users keeping it strong on AFMUG.  Cambium keeps trying to pull people to 
 this 1998 forum =P
 
  
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
  
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Craig Schmaderer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 n
 
 
 On Nov 13, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 The fall of AFMUG...
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 From: Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
 
 Come discuss this at the community site:  
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-2-Now-Available/m-p/36254/thread-id/278
 
 Many more of our engineering team will contribute responses, etc. over 
 there... 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:30 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
 
  I remember hearing something about 13.1.3 being the last update for FSK..
  could be wrong though
 
 N.  There not going to fix frequency select 'none'?
 
 
 
  Vlad
 
  On 11/13/2014 8:22 AM, Matt via Af wrote:
 
  When will we see it for PMP100 series?
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Matt Mangriotis via Af 
  af@afmug.com
  wrote:
 
  It is here!
 
 
 
  We released 13.2 this morning officially.  Come to our forum to 
  discuss anything about it.
 
 
 
 
  http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-2-
  Now-Avaialable/m-p/36254/thread-id/278
 
 
 
  Download the software from the usual place on our support site:
 
 
 
  https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
 
 
 
  Thanks to all of you that Beta tested this software with us, and 
  helped to make it stronger and better than ever.  Now that this is 
  here, we’re hard at work on delivering the next round of 
  enhancements (code name 13.3 (pretty original, huh?)) which are 
  right around the corner.
 
 
 
  The momentum is building on the PMP 450 platform.
 
 
 
  Thanks again,
 
 
 
  Matt
 
 
 
 
 
 
  ---
  This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus 
  protection is active.
  http://www.avast.com
 
  
  
 
 
  
 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
 get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
 hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



[AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

2014-11-12 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for multipoint?

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

2014-11-12 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
awesome, Thank you

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
af@afmug.com wrote:

 36dBm PtMP. 53dBm PtP. I assume the SM qualifies as PTP like 5.7. And no DFS.
 
 On 11/12/2014 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
 Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for 
 multipoint?
 



[AFMUG] ePMP dishes

2014-11-12 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Are the current canopy dishes compatible with the ePMP radio?

It doesn’t look like it. It looks like you’d need an extension piece or 
something. 

Is that piece sold separately?



[AFMUG] Non-advantage AP

2014-11-07 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Can a non-advantage AP be converted to an advantage AP via license key? 

Hardware version is P9


Re: [AFMUG] Non-advantage AP

2014-11-07 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
True! thanks for the idea.

On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:42 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
af@afmug.com wrote:

 I'm not sure about the license key upgrade, but it's probably cheaper to buy 
 a used Advantage AP from PDM, SWG, etc.
 
 On 11/7/2014 10:20 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
 Can a non-advantage AP be converted to an advantage AP via license key?
 
 Hardware version is P9
 



[AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios

2014-10-27 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I 
do not know the hardware version of the board.

Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6?

I’m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software 
scheduling.

If so, I’ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.

Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios

2014-10-27 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Its a private network that they installed years ago and we maintain on a time 
and materials basis.


On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Just one client on the BH?
 
 I'd be tempted to swap in a pair of PTP450s, and do the same data rate on a 5 
 MHz channel.
 
 bp
 
 On 10/27/2014 9:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
 We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios 
 died. I do not know the hardware version of the board.
 
 Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 
 7.3.6?
 
 I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 
 software scheduling.
 
 If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
 



Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

2014-10-20 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/120803-vortex-radio-waves-could-boost-wireless-capacity-infinitely


On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/startup-magnacom-hypes-spectrum-saving-alternative-qam/2013-12-17
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:58 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
  
 I’m not sure of your 100:1 usage ratio but keep this in mind, to extend the 
 life of DSL, CenturyLink is building Fiber to the Node to get closer which 
 allows them to sell 40Mbps service.   Since you will be able to easily 
 deliver 500-1Gbps on a single AP (realistically, I’d be comfortable with the 
 500Mbps to start), instead of delivering FTTH, deliver Fiber to the Node 
 (FTTN) and the use wireless for the last few hundred feet.  If it was a bad 
 technical/business mode, Vivint wouldn’t be doing it.  However, I don’t even 
 think FTTN is necessary in most areas based on what I know.  Keep in mind 
 that 802.11ac CPE’s will be hitting 250Mbps or more. 
  
 I don’t see 100mbps being needed for a few more years, as right now, 4K 
 NetFlix is the only real high bandwidth app on the near Horizon.  Fiber is 
 great if you can amortize it but next generation wireless will be more 
 profitable in the short term.
  
 BTW, I just read that someone has already successfully tested 4096 and the 
 WAM guys are saying they are even better.  Wireless isn’t even close to 
 hitting it’s limits.
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi via Af
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:19 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
  
 In parts of our suburban coverage NW of Chicago we cannot coordinate 6GHz or 
 11GHz at some specific sites.  What does the picture look like in 10 years 
 when we need to also feed hundreds and hundreds of micropops...  To some 
 extent I'm not sure wireless will be a service for the masses.  How do you 
 provide 50/10 service to all homes and businesses in a 3000 to 4000:1 
 population density area?  We are 100% wireless right now but it does seem 
 like fiber is the way things are going.  Use the wireless to get a customer 
 base to convert later and then keep wireless as a premium product where 
 diversity is required.  Until then we will continue to be a boutique player 
 in these areas.  I am excited about the new tech coming out and I'm not 
 trying to say we won't take any advance in technology.  It will help greatly 
 in low density areas but will future wireless scale to a true high density 
 area for someone who is going to take significant market share?
 
 For example 14000 population in 4 miles, 50% take rate, 7000 customers.  
 50Mbps service.  100:1 usage ratio.  Is that 3.5Gbps of usage using those 
 assumptions?  Maybe, until you need to provide 100Mbps service much less 
 1Gbps.  I'd love for someone to make it possible without going down the fiber 
 route but it doesn't seem obvious to me right now that 100% wireless could 
 take the place of Comcast's Internet product in urban and suburban areas.
 
 Joe Falaschi
 http://www.e-vergent.com
 
 
 On 10/19/14, 11:09 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
 What's your Backhaul strategy for having this many sites.  How many hops do 
 you get from fiber?  With a ton of small sites, it seems like it would scale 
 to an unmanageable level very quickly...?
 
 ___
 Mangled by my iPhone.
 ___
  
 Tyler Treat
 Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 
  
 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
 ___
  
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 +1.  I’ve already hit CenturyLink’s fastest speeds with anemic little Rocket 
 5M’s and nothing special.  Imagine what happens when the Rocket AC or Mimosa 
 come out with their products. 
 Those features target the urban market where which I’ve seen numbers like 84% 
 of the population is and for the most part, WISPS aren’t. 
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:39 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
  
 Microcells normally have good SNR. Add 802.11AC into the mix and you have 
 very good performance without the crappy latency hit.
 
 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
 On 10/19/2014 05:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
 Then you miss out on the best performance.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:33:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
 
 Ahh, difference of philosophies.  I just don’t want my business dependent on 
 competitors or single suppliers.
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af 

[AFMUG] PMP450 3.65

2014-10-10 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Can these be run in a 20MHz channel width, 4 APs to a tower, with frequency 
reuse of ABAB?

Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

2014-10-09 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
My wife wanted her doctor to deliver our son. He told her that if he delivered 
a baby, even on the side of a road in an emergency, his malpractice insurance 
would increase by $30,000.00/year. Think about that. 

30K! 

Our legal, insurance, and medical industry is completely out of touch.

On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Check the prices for those procedures in other countries.
 
 Our medical system is out of touch with the rest of the world.
  
 I spoke with another Lyme patient who went to visit friends in Japan and got 
 an MRI done there. The expense from the trip and testing still didn't touch 
 what an MRI costs in the US.
  
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
 
 It's not the routine care and occasional small health issue, it's when the 
 $500,000 heart attack happens. Or the $300,000 kidney failure. Or even the 
 $100,000 surgery... that's really what insurance is for.
 
 They charge full retail when they have to bill insurance because it's such 
 a pain to actually collect. I work with several medical billing offices. 
 These are full time companies that do nothing but handle insurance billing 
 for doctors, etc... it's THAT big of a job to actually collect from all these 
 insurance companies (the same ones that are making billions in profits each 
 year).
 
 Travis
 
 On 10/9/2014 3:45 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
 The hospital, yes. The doctor's office, no.
 
 I was a cash patient going to a specialist. My insurance price is around 
 $175, my cash price was $130. Same with my meds, I paid cash price at my 
 pharmacy and one run would be $66. With insurance they bill full retail 
 which is closer to double that and I pay a $20 co pay. The pharmacy makes 
 more money with my insurance, but they still made a profit without. I'm good 
 friends with my pharmacist.
  
 I ran the numbers, even dealing with Lyme disease I was spending around 
 $2500 a year, including supplements that aren't covered by insurance. I'm 
 paying around $4000 a year for my insurance and still paying a chunk of my 
 doctor bill and my medications, still paying for my supplements. My total 
 healthcare is more like $5000 to $6000 a year now.
 
 I spent less on healthcare by paying cash.
  
 The testing was nice to have covered by insurance, but I'd have still come 
 out cheaper at the end of the year to pay cash for those than pay my 
 insurance.
 
 I will say this, my wife had a miscarriage last month. Insurance came in 
 handy on that bill, however, paying cash for the same service would have 
 only made our healthcare equal what I'm paying for insurance every year.
  
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Adam Moffett via Af
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
 
 
 If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still 
 get a $500 bill (or your insurance will).
 
 I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up.
 
 Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work.  What 
 happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the 
 greatest health care in the world.  Why does everybody forget that and keep 
 wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism.
 Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health 
 care.  If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome 
 cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, 
 etc…  If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea 
 that socialized medicine is a great idea.
 Rory
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
 Amen brother Conlin.  
 
 The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far 
 enough.  We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the 
 costs.  The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other 
 developed countries.  
 
 Just peruse this: 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html
 
 
 bp
 On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
 What did people expect?  Insurance companies are the house.  They always 
 make money.  By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums 
 go up.  By definition.  The only way health insurance can work is if it is 
 universal (code for mandatory).  Can’t have people who can do math, like 
 Chuck, opting out.  Or healthy people saying no.  Everyone in.  Everyone 
 pays.  Spreads out the costs.
 ObamaCare was never about controlling costs.  It was about increasing 
 coverage.  More coverage costs more.  Why are people surprised at this?  If 
 you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows.  Our 
 

[AFMUG] 7.3.6 AES PKG3

2014-09-30 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
I have an need to get 7.3.6 AES PKG3 immediately, it sure would suck if someone 
accidentally sent it to d...@wyoming.com

[AFMUG] PTP650

2014-09-18 Thread Dan Petermann via Af
Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on 5800)