Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force
2 ms is without sync From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force The 2 ms is with or without sync on 2.4? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:03:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. There's more being discussed in this thread: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810 ePmP; Force 110 - Cambium Networks Community I'm looking at the specs for the Force 110 and I see it says the radio can achieve 150 Mbs of real data throughput. Then I see the ethernet connect... Read more...http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/ePmP-Force-110/m-p/35810#U35810 Thanks, Sriram From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Isn't the 2ms without sync? From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 2ms check again http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The ptp, yes. Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question. Anyone got there hands on them yet? Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS enabled in PTP. Was really hoping for less then that. Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync. The same as any another SM? It's just a connectorized radio with 25db dish. Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet? Curious on actual latency and throughput with GPS enabled.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP
Been away from email for a few days. Just getting back to responding now. One could always connect the GPS Sync AP radio to the Force dish and have a GPS Sync’ed PTP radio. That is supported. We do not at this time plan to offer a bundled solution that provides that. Latency is higher when you use GPS Sync as opposed to the Flexible Mode of operation. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Will there be an option to use the GPS sync with the PTP110? If so what kind of latency will we get? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi George: I want to clear up your questions about the Force product. The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio module and the dish. You can buy the radio and the dish separately, but when you buy them bundle as the Force, the price is better. We do not offer a radome for it at this time. The Force 110 PTP is the same dish, but bundled with the radio that we also use for the GPS Sync AP. The GPS is turned off. The benefit of this radio over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port. Regards, John Butler From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could be totally wrong. A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there. And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module [C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And now I'm confused too. Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm guessing no. On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Hi Alan: The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in early November. The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in December. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units. On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are these things shipping yet?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP
Hi George: I want to clear up your questions about the Force product. The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio module and the dish. You can buy the radio and the dish separately, but when you buy them bundle as the Force, the price is better. We do not offer a radome for it at this time. The Force 110 PTP is the same dish, but bundled with the radio that we also use for the GPS Sync AP. The GPS is turned off. The benefit of this radio over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port. Regards, John Butler From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could be totally wrong. A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there. And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module [C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And now I'm confused too. Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm guessing no. On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Hi Alan: The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in early November. The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in December. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units. On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are these things shipping yet?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg
Thanks to Mike, we found an issue with some of the initial batch of the Force 100 that affect the assembly. The issue is easily fixed. For those who have the Force 100, please go to the following link http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/epmp/how-to-videos and scroll down to the bottom to find: - Updated (and pizza free ☺ ) Assembly instructions - The Field Bulletin describing the issue and the fix - A video that will walk you through the assembly process Please contact Cambium Support, post a question on this list or send me an email if there are any other issues. John Butler Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+john.butler=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg The dish can only accommodate a 2 pipe (I had hung 2-7/8) and if you're not careful, you can knock the reflector off of the feedhorn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg I went to Rolling Meadows and there's an issue in the assembly from the factory. It's easily correctable in the field by loosening the four screws around the feedhorn hole on the mount. Straight up the two pieces, then tighten it back down. They're working on a factory process to resolve this. The feedhorn should just slide right in without much effort. If it takes effort, look to see if everythign is lining up. If you muscle the feedhorn too much, you may damage it, producing less than expected RF performance. Cambium was *very* warm regarding my criticism. Took notes. Looked at the product to see why it wasn't working. Assembled the four remaining units (and saw more issues). I talked to a few different people about my concerns. They thanked me for bringing the issue to their attention. No one said so, but I'd imagine they would have appreciated it if I wasn't so rampant in my complaints. ;-) They also took my commentary about what I think about other aspects of the line, not just that issue. I'm not going to drive to San Francisco or Latvia to air my complaints to them, so they'll have to fly me out. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:28:17 AM Subject: Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg Does anyone know why the Force 100 has not been recalled for being an absolutely dreadful product? I think the designers of the Force 100 looked at the NanoBridge and said how can we make this worse. *slow clap* Give them a bonus for they succeeded. I bought 12 units because of an emergency and now I'm not sure how far I'll be able to go as I surely won't be able to get the required 10 units even assembled. 1. Why so much assembly? 2. I'm reminded of 2004 by the amount of coax that needs to be sealed. Ubiquiti got it right with IP67 connectors and those little rubber boots on the Rockets. 3. If we're sealing the coax on the radio, why the rubber boot and zip ties? Surely they aren't more at risk than the N connectors on the antenna. 4. That feedhorn assembly is the worst! Does everything look stable? Yup. Okay, screw in the set screws. Check. Everything look good? Feedhorn falls out. WTF. Oh, apparently it wasn't all the way in. Try again. No. Try again. No. Try again? Can't because by now the set screws are striped and I can't get them out. I can't blame them for they should only be fastened once. Try another unit. Nope, this feedhorn just won't go all the way in. Now I'm not certain that the first two that actually went together are together correctly. Yes, I separated the dish from the mount in an attempt to 5. I like the flexibility of the mount, but that is just a massive hunk of steel and too complex for a CPE. 6. Is the idea of a simple clip like the Rocket too easy? Did someone need a science project? 7. For the record, I have correctly assembled (on the first try) a few Jirous dishes and they're a bear. Can I drive them all up to Rolling Ghettos today and have you guys assemble them for me? I need them actually operational by the AM. - Mike Hammett
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 10 mhz Channel width 2.4
Greg: 10 MHz Channel support is coming in the next software release (R2.3). That will be for both 5 and 2.4 GHz. We expect to officially release it before the end of October and open it up for beta 2 - 3 weeks prior to then. Regards, John Butler Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+john.butler=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP 10 mhz Channel width 2.4 Anyone have any idea when we are going to get 10 mhz cw on 2.4 ePMP? As soon as we do, I'm building out a tower with it to see how it functions. 20 mhz cw is just not practical for us. -- Thank you, Greg Osborn Tech Support and Field Service Manager OnlyInternet.Net 1.800.363.0989 [http://home.onlyinternet.net/images/social_facebook.png]http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet [http://home.onlyinternet.net/images/social_twitter.png] http://www.twitter.com/oibw [https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12716696/OIlogo.jpg] http://www.onlyinternet.net/
