Re: [AFMUG] Please take our money

[John Seaman]

I’ll take some Adam ;-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Please take our money

I'm trying to upgrade bandwidth on an existing circuit and can't get a call 
back.  I'll never understand why some people aren't willing to take more money 
of our money.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[John Seaman]

Yes, ask the coordinator if they can change it to match the radios you have, 
although I can't tell from the part number if those radios support 80 MHz 
channel.

If the coordinated frequency cannot be changed you are best off obtaining 
radios with part numbers containing Ch1W6.  The freq. range for this sub-band 
is 10695-10955MHz / 11185-11485MHz. 

For Cambium, the two common 11 GHz sub-bands are Ch1W6 (lower part of band) and 
7W13 (upper part of the band).  These two sub-bands cover the entire 11 GHz 
band.  It appears Ceragon sub-band numbering is the same.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

This is the license, 11325 and 10835 and 80Mhz widths I think?

Maybe the coordinator can find out if it can be changed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[John Seaman]

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[John Seaman]

Hi Mitch, Cambium 820c will do this, provided you can coordinate the 
frequenciesrequired.  As others suggested, you probably want to go with lower 6 
GHz with 60 MHz channels.  This will need to be a 4+0 configuration for 2 gig, 
but you can start off with a 2+0 (dual core radio) for your 1 gig for starters. 
 In the end, you will have two 2+0 systems (XPIC most likely) on the same 
antenna, which is nice for redundancy purposes.  If you want us to take a look 
at the path hit me up off-list john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com.

John



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of next 
year

Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application

Thanks

Mitch

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[John Seaman]

True, but I thought it inappropriate for me to put in a shameless plug

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

IDK the ptp550 is pretty sexy.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, John Seaman 
<john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:john.sea...@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
Hi Gino, While you didn’t miss out on any earth shattering new product 
announcements, you did miss out on a lot of fun and an overall great 
conference.  VERY sorry you couldn’t attend and we hope to see you next year if 
not sooner!
John

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[John Seaman]

Hey, what do you have against us San Diegans?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

San Diego could be nice if all the people were removed

What ever became of the neutron bomb?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:53 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

Yes, but mid 60s is the coldest it should ever get...

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Mid 70s is the warmest it should ever get!  ;-)


-
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Intelligent Computing 
Solutions
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Exchange
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From: "Lewis Bergman" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:31:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
I mean warm in the winter. It still gets below freezing. 

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[John Seaman]

Hi Gino, While you didn't miss out on any earth shattering new product 
announcements, you did miss out on a lot of fun and an overall great 
conference.  VERY sorry you couldn't attend and we hope to see you next year if 
not sooner!
John

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

It doesn't seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp... nothing spectacular 
either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Max BW on a 6 GHz 60 Mhz wide channel

[John Seaman]

Dragonwave is looking a little dicey
http://www.obj.ca/index.php/article/dragonwave-directors-resign-firm-delisted-tsx

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Max BW on a 6 GHz 60 Mhz wide channel

Maybe SIAE or Dragonwave.


-
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Intelligent Computing 
Solutions
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Exchange
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From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:57:56 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Max BW on a 6 GHz 60 Mhz wide channel
Cambium will do almost 500 Mbps.
Anyone else do better?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[John Seaman]

Linkedin basic (free) membership is all you need.  It is extremely useful 
especially in my line of work (sales).  And it is quickly becoming the primary 
tool to connect job seekers with hiring professionals and recruiters.  
Definitely worth your time to set up and maintain a your profile and start 
connecting with colleagues.  But the added benefit of the paid-for premium 
membership is minimal and not worth the cost.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
>  facebook.com%2Fthebrotherswisp=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnet
> works.com%7C07cd202ecac9441f07b708d4d2e89478%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d
> 993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636365343751011021=QIuh9FNhP5UAq%2Bfgrg08wtX
> Tz45GFUs5%2Bt2CXfpeg9s%3D=0>
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is 

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[John Seaman]

Trango is alive and well although there is not much going on there in terms of 
new products.  It was time for me to move on.  After focusing only on microwave 
for the last few years I am loving being back in the ptmp game!  Nice to be 
with a company with a lot of great product lines and more to come.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Can we start talking conspiracy about Trango yet? Because they kinda seem. 
MIA. Which is scary considering how many Lynx we have deployed.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Maybe... more $?

On 7/17/2017 10:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But why does he have a new job...

From: Jeremy
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has a new job.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Oh.  oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.
Hmmm.  What is the meaning of this

From: Dustin Jurman
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has transitioned to the other side.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out in the 
past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean 
Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the same 
pinout.
On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpower.sager.com%2Fsdr-120-48-2526640.html%3Futm_source%3Dgooglemerchant%26utm_medium%3Dclick%26utm_campaign%3Dpower-brand%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C703603b1882e42a41d5508d4cd216f5a%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636358990910197469=QYBIjVMZPLQu1ESU%2Boz2M06a8%2FK8V%2FK241iuk1vyuGw%3D=0>

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Any suggestions?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[John Seaman]

Glad you didn’t say the ‘dark’ side

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Jurman
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has transitioned to the other side.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out in the 
past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean 
Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the same 
pinout.
On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpower.sager.com%2Fsdr-120-48-2526640.html%3Futm_source%3Dgooglemerchant%26utm_medium%3Dclick%26utm_campaign%3Dpower-brand%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C703603b1882e42a41d5508d4cd216f5a%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636358990910197469=QYBIjVMZPLQu1ESU%2Boz2M06a8%2FK8V%2FK241iuk1vyuGw%3D=0>

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

 Any suggestions?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[John Seaman]

Yep ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out in the 
past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean 
Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the same 
pinout.
On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpower.sager.com%2Fsdr-120-48-2526640.html%3Futm_source%3Dgooglemerchant%26utm_medium%3Dclick%26utm_campaign%3Dpower-brand%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C703603b1882e42a41d5508d4cd216f5a%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636358990910197469=QYBIjVMZPLQu1ESU%2Boz2M06a8%2FK8V%2FK241iuk1vyuGw%3D=0>

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

 Any suggestions?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[John Seaman]

Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpower.sager.com%2Fsdr-120-48-2526640.html%3Futm_source%3Dgooglemerchant%26utm_medium%3Dclick%26utm_campaign%3Dpower-brand%26gclid%3DCj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C703603b1882e42a41d5508d4cd216f5a%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636358990910197469=QYBIjVMZPLQu1ESU%2Boz2M06a8%2FK8V%2FK241iuk1vyuGw%3D=0>

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


 On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jon Langeler" 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
 To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

 Any suggestions?

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[John Seaman]

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest difference
between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not.
  Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the
Orion can both radios operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the
Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the
Lynx.  However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the
same.  Orion also features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on
the Lynx.  Both models now support buffer size up to 8 MB.

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 |
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a
> license key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t spell it out
> very well on their website, but it looks like the major differences between
> Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering
> options?  So that you could still double the throughput as long as you can
> license a different frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the
> issue of the wired interface speed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has
> been rock solid for going on four years now.  It does 700Mbps FDX.  I
> believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why in the world would they buy Exalt?
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I thought Crisco bought out Exalt
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the end
> of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz.  Oops, I just found the email, and it’s
> everything but 6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway.  Maybe someone else
> was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.
>
> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...
>
>
>
> Not a simple path to engineer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel White
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more
> competitive.
>
>
>
> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the
> link budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or
> split-mount/all-indoor.
>
>
>
> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your
> most comfortable with.
>
>
>
> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave
> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about
> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping.
>
>
>
> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon>
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
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>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[John Seaman]

Hi John, the MSRP is actually printed on the datasheets which you can
download from our website
https://www.trangosys.com/products/stratapro-series/  Of course there are
discounts for service providers.  Hit me off list for more info.
Thanks,

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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:

> what's the cost of these radios?
>
> On 6/9/2016 4:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Can I ask what was the reason for the decision to go with a 2.5 Gbps SFP
> cage instead of SFP+?  I do not have a single router in any network I
> support capable of native 2.5 Gbps SFP. Such an interface is incredibly
> rare in layer 3 IP network deployments.
>
> If it had an SFP+ interface it would be trivially easy to software rate
> limit a 10GbE optical port in a router (such as a WS-X6704 card in a Cisco
> 6500/7600 platform, or a Juniper PC-1XGE-XENPAK) to 2.5 Gbps FD and assign
> it an appropriate OSPF cost somewhere in between the cost metrics currently
> used on 1Gbps and 10Gbs interfaces for router-to-router backbone links.
>
> If the radio's interface will function at 2.5 Gbps with a
> standards-compliant 10GbE SFP+ (*not* one of the special weird 2.5 Gbps
> FC SFP) on each end of the link, please disregard everything I just said
> above.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:21 PM, John Seaman <j...@trangosys.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello and thanks for the questions.  The StrataPro does have one 2.5 Gbps
>> SFP cage (along with 3 other GigE ports), but so far we have not qualified
>> a suitable 2.5 Gbps SFP.  That is something we are working on.
>> The Xi model is capable of 2 Gbps FDD (4 Gbps aggregate) so that
>> currently requires using 2 of the ports to achieve.  Going to 4 Gbps FDD
>> requires two pairs of radios, in MIMO configuration so you would be using 2
>> ports on each of the radios.
>>
>> Regarding keys, the Si base model allows 500 Mbps FDX, and there is a key
>> that takes it up to 1 Gbps.  The Xi model comes with 1 Gbps FDD capability,
>> with a key that opens it up to the max 2+ Gbps.  Yes, AES-256 is an
>> optional key.  These are the only keys involved with this product.
>>
>> Given the capacity of 1 Gbps and 2 Gpbs on these products, 1 MB packet
>> buffer should be more than sufficient since they can transmit at Ethernet
>> line rate.
>>
>> Let me know if any other questions, or feel free to hit me off list.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> John Seaman | Sales | *Trango Systems, Inc. | *
>> * +1-858-248-4006 <+1-858-248-4006>  *
>>  |
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>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> <er...@northcentraltower.com>er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP,
>>> not sure why they did not go 10G
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> <er...@northcentraltower.com>er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson < <c...@infowest.com>
>>> c...@infowest.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
>>>> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
>>>> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>>>
>>>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra
>>>> to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 
>>>> 2200Mbps.
>>>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>>>> buffer.. seems low.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>>>
>>>> -c
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[John Seaman]

Hello and thanks for the questions.  The StrataPro does have one 2.5 Gbps
SFP cage (along with 3 other GigE ports), but so far we have not qualified
a suitable 2.5 Gbps SFP.  That is something we are working on.
The Xi model is capable of 2 Gbps FDD (4 Gbps aggregate) so that currently
requires using 2 of the ports to achieve.  Going to 4 Gbps FDD requires two
pairs of radios, in MIMO configuration so you would be using 2 ports on
each of the radios.

Regarding keys, the Si base model allows 500 Mbps FDX, and there is a key
that takes it up to 1 Gbps.  The Xi model comes with 1 Gbps FDD capability,
with a key that opens it up to the max 2+ Gbps.  Yes, AES-256 is an
optional key.  These are the only keys involved with this product.

Given the capacity of 1 Gbps and 2 Gpbs on these products, 1 MB packet
buffer should be more than sufficient since they can transmit at Ethernet
line rate.

Let me know if any other questions, or feel free to hit me off list.

Best regards,



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*+1-858-248-4006 <+1-858-248-4006> *
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not
> sure why they did not go 10G
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
>> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
>> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>
>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to
>> unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>> buffer.. seems low.
>>
>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>
>> -c
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Interview

[John Seaman]

Mike thanks for taking the time to produce and post these videos!

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-Shnyz6N0
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Interview

[John Seaman]

2.5 Gbps Gino.  (And 2 1 Gbps)

On Thursday, March 17, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> no 10G sfp?
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
>
>> can you periscope the conferences?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-Shnyz6N0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

--

Re: [AFMUG] Trango stratalink 24 sale

[John Seaman]

Hello all,  The Stratalink24 is FCC certified for 3 ft antennas, with TX
power set to -3 dBm.

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure you can… just turn down the TX power.
>
>
>
> SAF has their Integra 24GHz FCC certified with 4ft antennas even.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango stratalink 24 sale
>
>
>
> I don't think you can use a 3' antenna with the stratalink24 in FCC land
> due to total eirp limits... Just Canada or other places.
>
> On Oct 15, 2015 2:12 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sync is a good feature, but personally, given the low EIRP limit at 24ghz
> I think the option for higher antenna gain is a bigger deal.  I also
> suspect that high perf dishes would allow for channel re-use without sync.
>
> I really can't do 24ghz more than 3 miles in any case, so it's pretty rare
> that we're using any of these things to start with.  So I don't have as
> much experience with that as some of you do, and maybe my opinion is not
> well informed.
>
> On 10/15/2015 4:34 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Exalt is also doing their ExtendAir G2 in 24GHz U/L now. Which is probably
> about the same pricing as the Stratalink, although ~half the speed being
> that it's only 256QAM. Neither of these seem reasonable to me when the AF24
> exists. Yeah, the AF24 uses the whole 200MHz, but at least you can sync
> them.
>
> On 10/15/2015 1:44 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Yes. Midwest maximum rain rates are way up there.
>
> Looking back in our records, our AF24 (not HD) have lost ~~ 3 dBm during
> our last real rain event last December. These are 2.25 mile links.
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2015 11:38 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> The funny thing about the pacific northwest is that it's only ITU rain
> zone D. We get constant rain and drizzle and grey skies that causes
> acceptable fades (like, an 18 GHz link that normally sites at -37 with no
> rain will hang out at -49 for days at a time), but major downpour events
> are relatively rare. It's the mm/hour...
>
> If I recall correctly some locations that are less famously rainy such as
> Baltimore or Chicago actually have more frequent high mm/hour rain events
> than Seattle. Thus a link designed to be at max capacity for five nines
> will be shorter in Chicago than in Portland or Seattle.
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Agreed for the NW where you are. We're in the SF bay area, and we get
> "rain", but not like you guys. For the last 4 years we haven't even gotten
> that.
>
> I know of a couple situations that are getting almost 10 miles on a AF24HD.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/15/2015 11:31 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> 5.5 miles is probably asking too much, I would use it at a max of 5-6 km
> in a Pacific Northwest rain zone.
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango stratalink 24 sale

[John Seaman]

As usual, Daniel is correct.  The best user tool we have for predicting
SL24 link performance is our Pathcheck App
https://www.trangosys.com/pathcheck
Sorry Android users, this is only available for IOS devices at the moment.
For even more accurate results we can run your link through Pathloss.


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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The chart is a starting point, but it doesn’t reference availability and
> rain fade… or maybe take into account ACM.
>
>
>
> Lots of variables to determine distance on anything above 10GHz (and below
> that, multipath fade is important).
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>
> I’d contact the manufacturer of the radio system your looking at to help
> determine range in your area based on your design criteria.  Trango I see
> has the PathCheck app, and I know SAF has an Excel calculator on their
> website.  I’m sure other vendors like Exalt have something similar.
>
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> Thank you,
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> Daniel White
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> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango stratalink 24 sale
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> https://www.trangosys.com/24-ghz-distance-capacity
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> Faisal Imtiaz
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> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> >
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:00:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango stratalink 24 sale
>
> I don't think you can use a 3' antenna with the stratalink24 in FCC land
> due to total eirp limits... Just Canada or other places.
>
> On Oct 15, 2015 2:12 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Sync is a good feature, but personally, given the low EIRP limit at 24ghz I
> think the option for higher antenna gain is a bigger deal.  I also suspect
> that high perf dishes would allow for channel re-use without sync.
>
> I really can't do 24ghz more than 3 miles in any case, so it's pretty rare
> that we're using any of these things to start with.  So I don't have as
> much
> experience with that as some of you do, and maybe my opinion is not well
> informed.
>
> On 10/15/2015 4:34 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Exalt is also doing their ExtendAir G2 in 24GHz U/L now. Which is probably
> about the same pricing as the Stratalink, although ~half the speed being
> that it's only 256QAM. Neither of these seem reasonable to me when the AF24
> exists. Yeah, the AF24 uses the whole 200MHz, but at least you can sync
> them.
>
> On 10/15/2015 1:44 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Yes. Midwest maximum rain rates are way up there.
>
> Looking back in our records, our AF24 (not HD) have lost ~~ 3 dBm during
> our last real rain event last December. These are 2.25 mile links.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 10/15/2015 11:38 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> The funny thing about the pacific northwest is that it's only ITU rain zone
> D. We get constant rain and drizzle and grey skies that causes acceptable
> fades (like, an 18 GHz link that normally sites at -37 with no rain will
> hang out at -49 for days at a time), but major downpour events are
> relatively rare. It's the mm/hour...
>
> If I recall correctly some locations that are less famously rainy such as
> Baltimore or Chicago actually have more frequent high mm/hour rain events
> than Seattle. Thus a link designed to be at max capacity for five nines
> will
> be shor