Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux SiteMonitor Gigabit POE Boards?

2014-12-31 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
That's wrong from what I'm told

Josh Luthman
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On Dec 31, 2014 8:33 AM, Erich Kaiser via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 So Are the Gigabit POE boards available? 4/8 port?  It says something
 about September.



Re: [AFMUG] OT: You think your hotel internet sucks?

2014-12-31 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Satellite?

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On Dec 31, 2014 2:41 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Still in Accra, Ghana. I won't have full control over my own WAN
 connectivity until I'm in Sierra Leone.



 To my OpenVPN end point in Chicago:


 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=328 ttl=44 time=35823.830 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=329 ttl=44 time=35670.255 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=330 ttl=44 time=36631.655 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=331 ttl=44 time=36991.921 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=332 ttl=44 time=38264.931 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=333 ttl=44 time=37747.913 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=334 ttl=44 time=37115.652 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=335 ttl=44 time=36670.680 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=336 ttl=44 time=35929.999 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=337 ttl=44 time=35625.236 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=338 ttl=44 time=34662.884 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=339 ttl=44 time=34074.305 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=340 ttl=44 time=33121.928 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=341 ttl=44 time=32353.936 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=345 ttl=44 time=28718.398 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=347 ttl=44 time=26997.230 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=354 ttl=44 time=20525.829 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=355 ttl=44 time=19915.944 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=356 ttl=44 time=19184.626 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=357 ttl=44 time=18757.754 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=364 ttl=44 time=7289.139 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=365 ttl=44 time=6797.058 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=366 ttl=44 time=6988.131 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=367 ttl=44 time=8027.773 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=368 ttl=44 time=9274.591 ms
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 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=370 ttl=44 time=15499.858 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=371 ttl=44 time=17101.477 ms
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 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=373 ttl=44 time=16704.022 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=374 ttl=44 time=16296.078 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=375 ttl=44 time=15979.370 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=376 ttl=44 time=15395.257 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=377 ttl=44 time=14846.662 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=378 ttl=44 time=14458.502 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=379 ttl=44 time=14213.088 ms
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 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=383 ttl=44 time=13698.292 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=384 ttl=44 time=12826.512 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=385 ttl=44 time=12255.279 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=386 ttl=44 time=11669.360 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=387 ttl=44 time=10953.765 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=388 ttl=44 time=10215.605 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=389 ttl=44 time=9903.748 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=390 ttl=44 time=9627.079 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=391 ttl=44 time=9441.339 ms
 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=392 ttl=44 time=16774.935 ms



Re: [AFMUG] Double postings on AF list - Fix?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I'm not.  Are you talking about getting your own messages?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 30, 2014 10:02 AM, Andreas Wiatowski via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Hi All,



 Ever since the new list I get posts x2. Is everyone seeing the same thing?



 Cheers,



 Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

 Silo Wireless Inc.

 1-866-727-4138 x-600

 Web: www.silowireless.com

 Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless

 Twitter: @silowireless





Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
tl;dr should go in bold at the top not the bottom!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Thanks Paul,
 It must be mentioned, Paul is doing this out of the goodness of his
 heart.  Nothing in it for him.  So, be kind when you bitch.

  *From:* Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon


 Well……



 As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for
 Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.  There were some bumps to get
 it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to
 be adhered to in order to send email through their servers.  That has
 resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with
 certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J



 In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how
 things would work if we went the “Amazon verified email” method, whereby
 each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon
 email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email.  This
 method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally
 for a week or so) and it handles all the backend “stuff” just like we want
 it to.)   The email headers then work like they would in any other mail
 server.



 We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the
 changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other
 projects and didn’t pull the trigger on the switchover.  Since November,
 all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon
 verification as part of the AFMUG signup.



 We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else
 Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc.



 Here’s what will happen….



 All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of
 you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email
 address.  The verification emails are good for 24 hours only.  The email
 does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can’t change it so
 just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc.   Probably on Friday, we
 will turn on “normal headers”.   If you have not been Amazon verified at
 that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the
 list they will NOT go through.  We will monitor the changes closely  and
 make any adjustments that are needed along the way.



 *To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly.  It’s
 important.  Follow the instructions please.*



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net





Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
APC + card is probably 300 or 400 and does everything.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Not terribly cheap, are they?

 -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Tuesday, December
 30, 2014 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel
 Depending on how many contacts you need, the APC boards work well. like
 the AP9619.  You can get a single chassis for it that you just power.  It
 has 1 set of contact closures, and will send an email when it trips.


 On 12/30/2014 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

 I was asking a similar question a week or two ago. There are some small
 developer type of boards in the $40 range.
 One could do it by just looping back an ethernet port if you had some way
 to send traps when that port changed state.

 -Original Message- From: Matt via Af
 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 6:31 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

 Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will
 send email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection. Say
 a door is opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or
 both.  Anyone know of anything?  Thinking of using something like an
 Arduino but hate to reinvent the wheel.





Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Nanobeam for tight focal point.

Picostation for a  6dbi omni (or if you want to change antenna).

Both run AirOS/Airview which is a real spectrum analyzer.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out
 customer’s wifi coverage?



Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Didn't know it was broken.  Gmail works just fine.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  YEAAA a threading FIX

 On 12/30/2014 11:18 AM, Curtis Brotherton via Af wrote:

  Here comes the Amazon Verification Email � Click the link in the
 email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon.�

 �

 I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to
 display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes
 the threading)��� J

 �

 ===

 Curtis Brotherton

 PDMNet

 (772) 564-6800

 �

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

 �

 Well��

 �

 As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for
 Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.� There were some bumps to
 get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have
 to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers.� That has
 resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with
 certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J��

 �

 In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how
 things would work if we went the �Amazon verified email� method,
 whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an
 Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification
 email.� This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like
 that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend
 �stuff� just like we want it to.)�� The email headers then work
 like they would in any other mail server.

 �

 We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the
 changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other
 projects and didn�t pull the trigger on the switchover.� Since
 November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the
 Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup.

 �

 We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else
 Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc.

 �

 Here�s what will happen�.

 �

 All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of
 you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email
 address.� The verification emails are good for 24 hours only.� The
 email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can�t
 change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc.�
 �Probably on Friday, we will turn on �normal headers�.�� If you
 have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but
 if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. �We will
 monitor the changes closely� and make any adjustments that are needed
 along the way.

 �

 *To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly.� It�s
 important.� Follow the instructions please.*

 �

 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 �





Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Linktechs has a device, not sure if dual band

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 30, 2014 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:42 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

  Nanobeam for tight focal point.

 Picostation for a  6dbi omni (or if you want to change antenna).

 Both run AirOS/Airview which is a real spectrum analyzer.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out
 customer’s wifi coverage?





Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if ours
 is lost?

 ~Seth



Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
W comes before L?  Blasphemy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 30, 2014 1:49 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I got mine literally 30 seconds ago, I think they are going out slowly.

 On 12/30/2014 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if ours
 is lost?

 ~Seth


 --
 Simon Westlake
 Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
 powercode.com
 P: 920-351-1010
 E: si...@powercode.com



Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Trick question, wasn't broken.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Maybe J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 a yes or a no




 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!

Mine came at 1:24 PM


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Read Paul's email.


 On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
 af@afmug.com ;)



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 The From was definitely broken.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

 Trick question, wasn't broken.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Maybe J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 a yes or a no




 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925








Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Wow.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Well then obviously GMail is broken.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

  Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!

 Mine came at 1:24 PM


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Read Paul's email.


 On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
 af@afmug.com ;)



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 The From was definitely broken.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

 Trick question, wasn't broken.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Maybe J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 a yes or a no




 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925










 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound like
you need 2.4, just Wifi.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Android cell phone app.  Free!

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
  Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  Looking for something under $300
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Daniel White via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight
 Fieldfox or
  Anritsu Sitemaster.
 
  Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.
 
  I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even
 an app
  on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
 Aaronia
  or SAF (which is a whole different debate).
 
  Daniel White – Managing Director
  SAF North America LLC
 
  Cell:  (303) 746-3590
  Skype: danieldwhite
  daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
   Af
   Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
  
   Spendy as I recall.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Seth Mattinen via Af
   Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
  
   On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
  
   SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
  
   ~Seth




Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Need to request a quote =/

http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
 Cannot find a price for this device:

 BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer


 From: Josh Luthman via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound
 like you need 2.4, just Wifi.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Android cell phone app.  Free!

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af


  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Looking for something under $300

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel White via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight
 Fieldfox or
 Anritsu Sitemaster.

 Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.

 I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even
 an app
 on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
 Aaronia
 or SAF (which is a whole different debate).

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
  Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  Spendy as I recall.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Seth Mattinen via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
   Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
 
  SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
 
  ~Seth







Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
mailinator.com (or use another one of their domains =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I don’t want the spam.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

  Need to request a quote =/

 http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
 Cannot find a price for this device:

 BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer


 From: Josh Luthman via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound
 like you need 2.4, just Wifi.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:
  Android cell phone app.  Free!

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590 %28303%29%20746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af


 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Looking for something under $300

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel White via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight
 Fieldfox or
 Anritsu Sitemaster.

 Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.

 I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even
 an app
 on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
 Aaronia
 or SAF (which is a whole different debate).

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590 %28303%29%20746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
  Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  Spendy as I recall.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Seth Mattinen via Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
 
  On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
   Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
 
  SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
 
  ~Seth








Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Ya


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM, justsumname . via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Testing 1 2 3 ... this thingy still worky??
 --

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I clicked on the link and I liked it J



 -Tim



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:50 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.

 (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some
 reason.  Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)





 *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Well then obviously GMail is broken.



 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!



 Mine came at 1:24 PM





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Read Paul's email.



 On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
 af@afmug.com ;)



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 The From was definitely broken.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

 Trick question, wasn't broken.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Maybe J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 a yes or a no




 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925











 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





Re: [AFMUG] did the verification email go out?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I got mine but I had to look in (Gmail's) spam folder.  Search AMAZON SES


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I haven’t seen it.  Although, that in itself may be a clue…



 Rory Conaway
 Triad Wireless
 4226 S. 37th Street
 Phoenix, Az.  85040
 602-426-0542
 r...@triadwireless.net
 www.triadwireless.net



 “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”





Re: [AFMUG] did the verification email go out?

2014-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Deleted permanently?  That's...interesting...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Deleted dubious looking verification email and then read here that I was
 supposed to click it.. doh. Too late.




 *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com



Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] UBNT equipment - Atlanta

2014-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I think he'd be happy with a Pico and/or Nanostation.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We do have a top-secret office in Midtown ;)
 Mostly development; we don't keep a lot of equipment here though... what
 do you need?

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  UBNT does actually have an Atlanta office...

 and Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego, Taiwan, and a few other places... :P

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/28/2014 05:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Matt lives down there...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 28, 2014 9:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net wrote:


  I need help.  Who here has some UBNT equipment in Atlanta ? Came down to
 my brother in laws.  They moved to another house in Cobb County.  Have a
 three story home with a Belkin.  Wifi sucks.  Will never be able to work
 here !  Doesn't UBNT have a downtown Atlanta office ?

 Sent from my iPhone
 ___
 Members mailing 
 listMembers@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members






Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

2014-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
The interface is pretty clunky.  It needs to be made more responsive.  The
alignment functionality is a an absolute joke.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics
 of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!


 Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those
 radios I would be jumping off the roof myself.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I was a relatively early adopter.  Not believing my techs, I went to the
 field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with
 me!



 After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a
 desist.



 We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs
 out now.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!



 I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I
 can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it
 would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better,
 Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle
 going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface
 is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes
 me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the
 firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a
 backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the
 bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the
 fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird
 outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up
 with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a
 wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.



 Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save
 us all









 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110





Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

2014-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as
bad as it is.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

 The interface is pretty clunky.  It needs to be made more responsive.  The
 alignment functionality is a an absolute joke.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the
 mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!


 Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those
 radios I would be jumping off the roof myself.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I was a relatively early adopter.  Not believing my techs, I went to
 the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle
 with me!



 After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a
 desist.



 We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs
 out now.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!



 I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I
 can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it
 would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better,
 Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle
 going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface
 is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes
 me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the
 firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a
 backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the
 bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the
 fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird
 outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up
 with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a
 wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.



 Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save
 us all









 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110







Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

2014-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Everything I have is 2.3.

Aligning the radios suck - the 5 second refresh is the best option =(

Ubnt had it right - nice little pop up that simply gave you the RSSI every
second (and would even beep!!!)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running
 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near
 instantaneous.

 It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything
 not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

 Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it
 as bad as it is.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

 The interface is pretty clunky.  It needs to be made more responsive.
 The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the
 mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!


 Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those
 radios I would be jumping off the roof myself.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I was a relatively early adopter.  Not believing my techs, I went to
 the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle
 with me!



 After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a
 desist.



 We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs
 out now.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!



 I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I
 can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it
 would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better,
 Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle
 going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface
 is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes
 me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the
 firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a
 backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the
 bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the
 fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird
 outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up
 with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a
 wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.



 Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and
 save us all









 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110









Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction

2014-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Seagate, years ago

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 29, 2014 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 They were bought out a while back.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction

 Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility?

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 WD went under?

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 There is probably a bunch of good stuff here:


 http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digitalutm_campaign=DigitalWesternutm_medium=email




 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925






Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] UBNT equipment - Atlanta

2014-12-28 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Matt lives down there...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 28, 2014 9:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc 
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 I need help.  Who here has some UBNT equipment in Atlanta ? Came down to
 my brother in laws.  They moved to another house in Cobb County.  Have a
 three story home with a Belkin.  Wifi sucks.  Will never be able to work
 here !  Doesn't UBNT have a downtown Atlanta office ?

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP management access from Internet

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Two WAN like Canopy.  I believe it was added in 2.3.3.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 26, 2014 11:46 AM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Has anyone figured out how to lock down an ePMP radio so it can not be
 accessed from the Internet?  In bridged mode this is not a problem since
 the Radio can be configured for a private IP. As soon as NAT is enabled and
 a public IP is used on the radio the management interface is exposed.  We
 got Cambium to implement a secondary IP for management but the radio still
 responds on the Public side of the NAT.  Could this just be an oversight on
 their part?



 Steve B



Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Powercode does bits down to the minute.

If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a
 customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability
 to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.
 My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
 for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
 debug mode.



 Steve B





Re: [AFMUG] Photos form Accra, Ghana

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Omni at the top =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That perfectly good tower seems to only have one backhaul on it?!?!

 Time to fill it up Eric!

 Sean


 On Friday, December 26, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Attached JPGs




Re: [AFMUG] I never check FB

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Ya I talked to Doug yesterday.  Still chugging along :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 26, 2014 3:46 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   So, for some reason, I actually logged into FB today.
 (Good thing I did as it reminded me my sister turns 60 on the first.)

 And it also showed me that Doug Clark recently had a birthday.
 I would say “Happy Birthday Doug” if  he was still hanging around with the
 rest of us.

 So, then I got to thinking about good old Doug.  Is he still doing his
 thang??

 Went to his web site.  Yep, looks like someone is still chugging along up
 there.  But what is this I see!!!

 Unlimited usage for the same price???  Holy Crap!




Re: [AFMUG] Lease options

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Roughly 10% finance charges.

I've worked with LCA for a while.  Just look for the basics like $1 buyout,
good record with vendors and such.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Saw the ad from Ritalia a couple weeks back, and it may suit our purposes
 to get some extra equipment in the air sooner than our more typical
 pay-from-cash-flow model.  Has anyone worked with these folks or have other
 leasing companies that they like better?  What is the metric on what we
 should be expecting to pay for this service ($x MRC versus $y equipment
 purchase cost)?

 --
 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com




Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
It's good to know there are still rude people out there.  I was beginning
to worry.

Thanks for the heads up!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic that
 has been happening every 10 minutes all day.  Finally tracked it down to my
 Speedtest.net server.  Someone automated pulling the test files via HTTP.
 It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net reports.

 They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files.

 I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a little
 rude.

 Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads up.

 Nate



Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
What's wrong with using a Ubnt AirCam?

http://inxwireless.com/rain/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven’t seen if for
 a while.  A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his
 commercial business park.  We might install and provide local bandwidth for
 free if they buy the camera.  A little good will between us, them, and the
 community.  So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money
 are we talking to get something that doesn’t suck?



 It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.  Good low light would be
 nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.  I assume a small heater is
 required to avoid condensation but I don’t know that.  Are these available
 POE?



 PC

 Blaze Broadband





Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Waste of your time IMO.  Not very fun.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I guess what I should do is set them up so that their IP Address is
 queued to a random speed each time they pull the files.  Or would that be
 rude?


 On 12/26/2014 4:28 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 It's good to know there are still rude people out there.  I was beginning
 to worry.

  Thanks for the heads up!


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic
 that has been happening every 10 minutes all day.  Finally tracked it down
 to my Speedtest.net server.  Someone automated pulling the test files via
 HTTP.  It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net
 reports.

 They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files.

 I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a
 little rude.

 Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads
 up.

 Nate





Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Philip,

Weather stuff is Wunderground (check the image URLs).

Ubnt camera is on the tower above my head.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Philip Rankin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Josh, is that your own webpage construction or are you farming that out to
 someone somehow?

 Phil

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What's wrong with using a Ubnt AirCam?

 http://inxwireless.com/rain/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven’t seen if
 for a while.  A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his
 commercial business park.  We might install and provide local bandwidth for
 free if they buy the camera.  A little good will between us, them, and the
 community.  So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money
 are we talking to get something that doesn’t suck?



 It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.  Good low light would be
 nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.  I assume a small heater is
 required to avoid condensation but I don’t know that.  Are these available
 POE?



 PC

 Blaze Broadband







 --
 Philip J. Rankin
 Wireless Telecommunications Services
 PO Box 24
 Pittsburg, KS  66762



Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Getting ARP for the gateway?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 26, 2014 8:47 PM, cstanners--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Please paste the screenshot... Just that part of the window please.

 Are you certain that you have the right gateway?
 --
 *From: * joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com
 *Date: *Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:44:25 +
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik

 Yea i did wasn't thinking  when I done it

 I done trace route and it times out when I point it to my gateway address
 and charter DNS server so I'm lost as hell now
 On Dec 26, 2014 6:19 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Guys, Its a season to be jolly! Lol

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Did you really just post a 5 megabyte, camera photo of a screen,
 rather than using a screenshot tool?
 On Dec 26, 2014 8:24 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Screen shot?
 On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Ip-routes says everything is reachable
 On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default
 gateway.
 On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static
 ip gateway and DNS. When I go to  new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I 
 get
 no route to host

 What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple




Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test

2014-12-26 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
That's not how they test

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 26, 2014 10:31 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 It's ookla! they are making sure that your server doesn't suck

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I take it this is someone out on the Internet, not one of your customers?

 -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Friday, December
 26, 2014 4:27 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Someone automated their
 Speed test
 Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic
 that has been happening every 10 minutes all day.  Finally tracked it down
 to my Speedtest.net server.  Someone automated pulling the test files via
 HTTP.  It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net
 reports.

 They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files.

 I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a
 little rude.

 Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads
 up.

 Nate





Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?

2014-12-25 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I can't play a single player game...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af 
af@afmug.com wrote:

 Yep my brother can't play his new game

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
  Well, at least they took down both, so as to not give an unfair
 advantage to one. :P
  
  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
 
 
 https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
 
 
 



Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Get a few 55 gallon drums.  That's what we did around 2006.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not  have a
 shelf life.

  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 Gas at 1.87 a gallon today

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 As long as they leave my shrubbery  alone.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?

  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

   Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation.

 “Tragedy is when I cut my finger.  Comedy is when you fall into an open
 sewer and die.”
 - Mel Brooks


  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 Polemic movie.  I thought it was a comedy

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Yes, it is the top local newspaper

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Legit news source?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html

 News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the
 cojo… now??



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr







Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Surprised it was that short...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 11:45 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
af@afmug.com wrote:

  Welcome to teh suck. And the target is almost always an Xbox kid.

 On 12/24/2014 10:13 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:


 One of our routers showed a massive increase in traffic last night around
 19:15 Pacific time (see below).  It didn't crash, but got super busy during
 that time, and appeared to be locked up.  Nothing shows in the logs, but
 a segment of our network appeared to be unavailable for a few minutes.  By
 the time I figured out what was going on, the traffic went away.



 --
 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com






Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Not even in the works.  2.4 is supposed to release q1 2015.  The 5 GHz
force110 just came out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Could be done but don’t they have a force 110 type of product for that?

  *From:* Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 Hey beehive chuck,

 What about a stinger for the connectorized 3.65 SM similar to the 900mhz
 stingers???

 It'd be nice to have a slip-on solution that has a gain between a bare SM
 and a dish.

 -sean

 On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I tried.  The internal antenna coupled with the larger wavelength made
 everything I tried impractical.  I got 4-5 dB at most.  Not worth building
 the tooling.

 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 I'm trying to find the response from somebody at Cambium when I asked
 about
 the feasibility of a CLIP for 3.65 GHz.  I think it was something about
 too
 big and not enough gain.  Obviously with the new case design you couldn't
 just slip a 5 GHz Stinger or CLIP on a 3.65 GHz SM to see what happens.
 But
 I suspect something 50% bigger than the existing CLIP and with 6 dB gain
 over a bare SM might make some people happy.  Certainly it would be
 cheaper
 than an SMC plus a panel, and smaller than a reflector dish.

 Here's a scary thought, remember the LENS that weighed a ton?  Make that
 50%
 bigger and put it on the 3.65 SM which also weighs a ton, now you have 2
 tons.


 -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:19 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 ITElite


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but
 cannot fit a reflector.  Is there a small panel antenna that works
 with the 450 3.65 SM?






Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Are you looking for tier1 support center or an over the phone PC repair
shop?

If they can't afford $100 to fix their $1000 Macbooks they will just end up
buying a new $1000 Macbook.  Give them 2-3 possible solutions and apologize
that you can't help them.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?

 I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone
 walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are
 too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue
 when it comes to computers.

 I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay
 $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.  My
 business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a
 profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
 to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.

 Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for
 less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume
 they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking about phone support for
 Internet problems.

 Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking
 permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative
 light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and
 other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes
 up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed?
 I suppose some do.  Maybe we need the government to come do all these
 things for us.




Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Connectors don't care :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 3:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 plus force 110 is for epmp (as far as I'm aware)

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Not even in the works.  2.4 is supposed to release q1 2015.  The 5 GHz
 force110 just came out.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Could be done but don’t they have a force 110 type of product for
 that?

  *From:* Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 Hey beehive chuck,

 What about a stinger for the connectorized 3.65 SM similar to the
 900mhz stingers???

 It'd be nice to have a slip-on solution that has a gain between a bare
 SM and a dish.

 -sean

 On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 I tried.  The internal antenna coupled with the larger wavelength made
 everything I tried impractical.  I got 4-5 dB at most.  Not worth building
 the tooling.

 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 I'm trying to find the response from somebody at Cambium when I asked
 about
 the feasibility of a CLIP for 3.65 GHz.  I think it was something about
 too
 big and not enough gain.  Obviously with the new case design you
 couldn't
 just slip a 5 GHz Stinger or CLIP on a 3.65 GHz SM to see what
 happens.  But
 I suspect something 50% bigger than the existing CLIP and with 6 dB gain
 over a bare SM might make some people happy.  Certainly it would be
 cheaper
 than an SMC plus a panel, and smaller than a reflector dish.

 Here's a scary thought, remember the LENS that weighed a ton?  Make
 that 50%
 bigger and put it on the 3.65 SM which also weighs a ton, now you have 2
 tons.


 -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:19 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

 ITElite


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but
 cannot fit a reflector.  Is there a small panel antenna that works
 with the 450 3.65 SM?







Re: [AFMUG] Lower signal on one end of PTP link

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Same tx power on either side?  If so it's hard to say, but you can look at
the path and kinda guess.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 7:41 PM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I've been doing this enough years (decades?) that it seems like I should
 know this, but I'm having a brain-dead moment.  Must be all the eggnog.  I
 have an Airfiber 24 link.  One end has a solid signal of -50/-50, and the
 other end varies around -53/-53 to as much as -55/-55.  Which end is more
 likely to be slightly out of alignment? Or is it impossible to tell?




Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Watched it off Google Play.  10/10 did lol

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 10:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 too late for sprint, att, vzw, and tmo


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

  It’s also an economics lesson for any of us who think about starting a
 price war with the industry cost leader, like the cable companies.

 I keep hearing the Saudis need oil to be $100, but I don’t see why.  They
 just pump the stuff, the other guys are drilling and fracking.  They
 probably need it to be $100 to support their economy and lifestyle since
 they don’t produce anything but oil, but they are probably profitable at
 $10.


  *From:* Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:04 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

  It's just a little geopolitical Christmas present.

 The old joke - what's the best price of oil for OPEC?   $100, $100, $100,
 $50, $100.

 When the price drops to $50 it kills all of the speculative drilling and
 investment in alternative energy, and then OPEC raises the price back and
 ensures they stay relevant.

 The low oil price also punishes a variety of political enemies - Russia,
 ISIS, Iran, and a couple of South American countries.

 The low price won't last, but it's nice for a while and plays into a
 number of political battles.

 Mark


 On 12/24/14 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

 Wonder what the play is there.  How long will gas prices stay this low?
 And how low will they go?  Saudi Arabia is in the drivers seat for now.
 Russia and a few of the OPEC nations are getting it in the shorts.

 Someone will blink.  I'm betting that gas will turn around in 3-6 months.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/24/2014 7:11 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

  Yep:
 http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:10 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

   I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures?

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 Get a few 55 gallon drums.  That's what we did around 2006.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not  have a
 shelf life.

  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 Gas at 1.87 a gallon today

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 As long as they leave my shrubbery  alone.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?

  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

   Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in
 retaliation.

 “Tragedy is when I cut my finger.  Comedy is when you fall into an open
 sewer and die.”
 - Mel Brooks


  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 Polemic movie.  I thought it was a comedy

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Yes, it is the top local newspaper

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Legit news source?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


 http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html

 News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the
 cojo… now??



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr







 --
 Mark Radabaugh
 Amplex
 m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
You can also do a per call plan.  Just depends on your business.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 10:52 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Serverplus charges you per customer...more if you want them to do sales.
 I highly doubt they would help a customer move their taskbar back to the
 bottom from the right side of their screen.  pccare or whatever would, but
 it costs the customer like ten bucks a month for a 'just in case' service.
 We just determine that it is not our problem and refer them to the
 manufacturer or offer a $44.95 service call to come out and help them.
 When we ask for the scheduling they usually say they'll just figure it out.

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:


 thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC.  Tell us you have a new
 router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac.
 Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms.  Early days we had trouble with
 that and i've just never liked it...


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Philip Rankin via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset
 their router.  If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup
 the pppoe information.  You are FAR better off to simply handle your
 customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work!  IMHO!

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That doesn't quite look like the answer.

 Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer.  I
 see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30
 days. Dell has paid support.  Apple has Applecare.  HP has SmartFriend
 which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe
 that's where I should send them:

 https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp


 -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 Is securitycoverage.com still relevant?   DTNSpeednet used to push it.

 ___
 Mangled by my iPhone.
 ___

 Tyler Treat
 Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
 ___


 On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?

 I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the
 phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they
 are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a
 clue when it comes to computers.

 I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't
 pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.
 My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair
 a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
 to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.

 Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for
 less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume
 they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking about phone support for
 Internet problems.

 Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking
 permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative
 light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and
 other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes
 up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed?
 I suppose some do.  Maybe we need the government to come do all these
 things for us.





 --
  Philip J. Rankin
 Wireless Telecommunications Services
 PO Box 24
 Pittsburg, KS  66762





Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45 customers
 with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks with some
 older Linksys thrown in.  I sent a little note to each of them recommending
 they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the Rapid7 “Scan My
 Router Now” test.  There is even a DLink video telling you how to update
 your firmware:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnacMKb2ro

 I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router
 firmware.  This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay
 someone to do, like changing the oil in your car.  I think the only way
 Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it
 configured for automatic updates.

 What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game
 consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly
 nothing with an Ethernet cable.  How do you update the firmware on your
 router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your
 computer and then upload it to the router?  At least Netgear gives you
 buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to
 do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer.

 And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control
 software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer
 with no computers?  Do they remote into a phone or tablet?  Even if that is
 possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a
 remote session to a WiFi device.


  *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support


 thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC.  Tell us you have a new
 router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac.
 Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms.  Early days we had trouble with
 that and i've just never liked it...


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Philip Rankin via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset
 their router.  If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup
 the pppoe information.  You are FAR better off to simply handle your
 customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work!  IMHO!

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That doesn't quite look like the answer.

 Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer.  I
 see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30
 days. Dell has paid support.  Apple has Applecare.  HP has SmartFriend
 which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe
 that's where I should send them:

 https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp


 -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 Is securitycoverage.com still relevant?   DTNSpeednet used to push it.

 ___
 Mangled by my iPhone.
 ___

 Tyler Treat
 Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
 ___


 On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?

 I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the
 phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they
 are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a
 clue when it comes to computers.

 I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't
 pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.
 My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair
 a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
 to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.

 Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for
 less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume
 they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking about phone support for
 Internet problems.

 Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking
 permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative
 light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and
 other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes
 up 

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

2014-12-24 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Yup

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 11:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the
 phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to
 the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC?

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

  Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45
 customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks
 with some older Linksys thrown in.  I sent a little note to each of them
 recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the
 Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test.  There is even a DLink video telling you
 how to update your firmware:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnacMKb2ro

 I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router
 firmware.  This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay
 someone to do, like changing the oil in your car.  I think the only way
 Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it
 configured for automatic updates.

 What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game
 consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly
 nothing with an Ethernet cable.  How do you update the firmware on your
 router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your
 computer and then upload it to the router?  At least Netgear gives you
 buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to
 do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer.

 And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control
 software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer
 with no computers?  Do they remote into a phone or tablet?  Even if that is
 possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a
 remote session to a WiFi device.


  *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support


 thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC.  Tell us you have a new
 router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac.
 Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms.  Early days we had trouble with
 that and i've just never liked it...


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Philip Rankin via Af af@afmug.com
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset
 their router.  If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup
 the pppoe information.  You are FAR better off to simply handle your
 customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work!  IMHO!

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That doesn't quite look like the answer.

 Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer.  I
 see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30
 days. Dell has paid support.  Apple has Applecare.  HP has SmartFriend
 which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe
 that's where I should send them:

 https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp


 -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

 Is securitycoverage.com still relevant?   DTNSpeednet used to push it.

 ___
 Mangled by my iPhone.
 ___

 Tyler Treat
 Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
 ___


 On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?

 I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the
 phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they
 are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a
 clue when it comes to computers.

 I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't
 pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.
 My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair
 a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
 to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.

 Is there a place

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP with Force 110 - what am I doing wrong?

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Go to monitor wireless.  That's all the APs it can see with the
frequencies/sizes you've enabled.

I would suggest limiting the frequencies to the band you're deployed in.
Saves time in scanning.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 4:49 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hello all.

 I am playing with a EPMP system to try to offload some customers over to
 it from my legacy 100 series network. I have a single 120 sector running
 5.7 at about 180ft. Software is 2.3.3. Running on 20mhz channel.

 I have four EPMP Force 110s I am evaluating. I have one of them working at
 a customers home at 5.7 miles. Not perfect, but working.

 I cannot get a signal at all at another home very close to the other, at
 5.9 miles. This is going over open farmland, however, it is not line of
 site (neither is the one above). There are a couple of small tree lines in
 the path. They are not very wide at all, perhaps only one or two trees
 deep. Each is along a creek.

 Is anyone else having issues with these? Maybe I have something configured
 wrong.



Re: [AFMUG] EPMP with Force 110 - what am I doing wrong?

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Uhm my post detailed a 5.1 link at 7 miles?  Got -67 and some very nice
bandwidth bumps.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 4:58 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Yah, my AP is not showing up there at all. But the refresh seems
 dreadfully slow on these. I have it set to 2 seconds. I only have the upper
 band from 5740-58xx checked.

 Are you successfully getting any kind of range with the 110s?




   On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:


 Go to monitor wireless.  That's all the APs it can see with the
 frequencies/sizes you've enabled.
 I would suggest limiting the frequencies to the band you're deployed in.
 Saves time in scanning.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 4:49 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hello all.

 I am playing with a EPMP system to try to offload some customers over to
 it from my legacy 100 series network. I have a single 120 sector running
 5.7 at about 180ft. Software is 2.3.3. Running on 20mhz channel.

 I have four EPMP Force 110s I am evaluating. I have one of them working at
 a customers home at 5.7 miles. Not perfect, but working.

 I cannot get a signal at all at another home very close to the other, at
 5.9 miles. This is going over open farmland, however, it is not line of
 site (neither is the one above). There are a couple of small tree lines in
 the path. They are not very wide at all, perhaps only one or two trees
 deep. Each is along a creek.

 Is anyone else having issues with these? Maybe I have something configured
 wrong.






Re: [AFMUG] EPMP with Force 110 - what am I doing wrong?

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I don't think you want to do NLOS in 5 GHz at all.  That's why I doubled up
APs and have 2/5 on each sector.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 5:16 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Is it realistic to expect good performance through trees using 5 GHz?
 I could see trying to get a nLOS situation to work at 1 mile, but
 certainly not 5+.
 Do you have other APs on the tower that you can compare to?

 On 12/23/2014 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Uhm my post detailed a 5.1 link at 7 miles?  Got -67 and some very nice
 bandwidth bumps.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 4:58 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Yah, my AP is not showing up there at all. But the refresh seems
 dreadfully slow on these. I have it set to 2 seconds. I only have the upper
 band from 5740-58xx checked.

  Are you successfully getting any kind of range with the 110s?




On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
 af@afmug.com wrote:


  Go to monitor wireless.  That's all the APs it can see with the
 frequencies/sizes you've enabled.
 I would suggest limiting the frequencies to the band you're deployed in.
 Saves time in scanning.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 4:49 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Hello all.

  I am playing with a EPMP system to try to offload some customers over
 to it from my legacy 100 series network. I have a single 120 sector running
 5.7 at about 180ft. Software is 2.3.3. Running on 20mhz channel.

  I have four EPMP Force 110s I am evaluating. I have one of them working
 at a customers home at 5.7 miles. Not perfect, but working.

  I cannot get a signal at all at another home very close to the other,
 at 5.9 miles. This is going over open farmland, however, it is not line of
 site (neither is the one above). There are a couple of small tree lines in
 the path. They are not very wide at all, perhaps only one or two trees
 deep. Each is along a creek.

  Is anyone else having issues with these? Maybe I have something
 configured wrong.







Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Hefty garbage bag.

Sex wax (surf board stuff)

Might try that neverwet

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 5:49 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 It seems like a couple times over the winter we have ice that covers a
 side of our omni antennas.
 It's only a handful of customers that directly face the iced up side of
 the omni that have degraded signals.
 We usually only have an issue when rain slowly switches to ice and then
 snow.
 It will either take a tower climb or wait for warmer temps to melt said
 ice.
 What measures has anyone here on the list taken to prevent this condition?





Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I doubt it causes any signal reduction assuming you just apply a layer.
Putting a pallet of material in front would be bad.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 5:58 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I'm using Never Wet on a couple of AirFiber24's.  I have tried sex wax on
 stinger antennas with no luck.
 The bag idea is good.  Any degraded performance I would notice?


 On 12/23/2014 4:51 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Hefty garbage bag.

 Sex wax (surf board stuff)

 Might try that neverwet

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 5:49 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 It seems like a couple times over the winter we have ice that covers a
 side of our omni antennas.
 It's only a handful of customers that directly face the iced up side of
 the omni that have degraded signals.
 We usually only have an issue when rain slowly switches to ice and then
 snow.
 It will either take a tower climb or wait for warmer temps to melt said
 ice.
 What measures has anyone here on the list taken to prevent this condition?






Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS

2014-12-23 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Ubnt flat out doesn't have GPS.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 23, 2014 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt

 On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using
 Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be
 more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point.



 We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on
 replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg
 or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels.



 What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for
 a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by
 reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional
 gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding,
 possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on
 every link.



 What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but
 rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better
 spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should
 push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using
 GPS



 Thoughts?

 Comments?



 Jerry






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Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*********, Re: Epmp results

2014-12-22 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
COAX SEAL!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Epmp pole bracket, rpsma to rpsma pigtails and some tape...





 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr






 On 12/22/14, 11:52 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 Yep.
 
 Tyson Burris, President
 Internet Communications Inc.
 739 Commerce Dr.
 Franklin, IN 46131
 
 317-738-0320 Daytime #
 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
 Online: www.surfici.net
 
 
 What can ICI do for you?
 
 Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
 Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.
 
 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the
 addressee shown. It contains information that is
 confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,
 dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by
 unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly
 prohibited.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:50 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*, Re: Epmp results
 
 For epmp + rocket dish?
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/22/14, 10:59 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Gino,
 
 You got a good mounting design with weather protection I didn't see?
 If so, please share.  That's the only reason.  Wanted to do it several
 times.
 
 Tyson Burris, President
 Internet Communications Inc.
 739 Commerce Dr.
 Franklin, IN 46131
 
 317-738-0320 Daytime #
 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
 Online: www.surfici.net
 
 
 What can ICI do for you?
 
 Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
 IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.
 
 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee
 shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from
 disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or
 its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly
 prohibited.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via
 Af
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:16 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Spam:*, Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results
 
 Why are you taking rockets down? Just swap the rocket radio with the
 epmp conn. RadioŠ the dish is already there and its aligned!
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/22/14, 12:00 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 It's cambium and works well. I understand a lot of guys are now going
 to it. Question though is the new AC gear worth waiting on at this
 point ??
 
 My complaints are...
 
 Wish it had alignment tone.  We are so use to our easy breezy
 alignment tool with FSK and OFDM.  Going to the led lights was a step
 back I guess to help keep costs down. Who here has tried to align a KP
 REFLECTOR like that?  That's dumb.  Give me my headset back so I can
 listen
 to music.
 Some of the UI loads slow and is missing some nice features we see in
 the other cambium gear.  Sync and throughput is good.  Force 110 dish
 is small...wish it was bigger to add the db loss from taking Rockets
 down.
 
 Sorry I like carrier grade but without the price.  So I am crying
 about it
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:
 
  Just curious   Who out there has had positive or negative results from
 EPMP.  What are the pluses and minuses?   I know price is a plus but
 other than that??
 
  Craig
 
 
 
 




Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs

2014-12-22 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
SWG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 22, 2014 8:36 PM, Heith Petersen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Did you check WSG? They offered me $20 per to by my p9 and above, so maybe
 they sell theirs for $35. I am still trying to find someone to buy mine off
 me



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
 Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 4:43 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs



 If you have a couple you could sell me I'd appreciate it.  Just need a few
 spares.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 No virus found in this message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
 Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8786 - Release Date: 12/22/14



Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Jump up to the Droid Maxx.  Double the battery.  Screen is a lot bigger,
though :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  My Android fits in either front or back pocket.  It's large with a ~~ 5
 (slightly less) screen.  The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy, and
 I love the long battery life.  DROID RAZR MAXX HD.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

 Mike,

  The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
 wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
 a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
 in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
 back pocket need some help.

 On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  haha

 This is the type I usually use.


 http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
 newer generation phones!
 http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg

  ...or you could always go the holster route...
 http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.

 Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).

 *shrugs*



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

  I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using
 the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass
 me mercilessly!

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or
 leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach
 them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
 sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.



 On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?

  I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
 reading).

 Tushar


 On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at
 first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back.

   The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to
 use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen.
 Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my
 pocket etc.

  We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO.


  Sean


 On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family
 need new phones.

 I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever
 owned is an iPhone 4.
 Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat, dumb and happy.

 Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone.
 I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends
 apps so we can spy on each other.
 One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one.  That kid and my wife
 are shopping for phones and plans.  Kid is OK with Apple products.  His
 mother has anxiety about leaving Android.  Kinda like I want her to vote
 Democrat or join PETA...

 (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing,
 Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree
 Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras).

 We are all on a pay as  you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT.

 No matter what we decide I get to pay.  The new phones are pretty
 expensive.  But they will amortize depending on the plan.
 Too lazy to even attempt to understand 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
You're not factoring in battery consumption :). I had both, trust me it is
double.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Not double.  3500 mah versus 3300 mah.

 Screen is only slightly bigger (5 versus 4.7).

 But I'm really happy with this phone.  Don't anticipate switching until it
 dies.  It's a couple years old now, and it is stable, fast, and smooth.

 I don't know about others claims of android crashing.  Mine hasn't crashed
 once in the two years that I've had it.  It may have been an issue with
 early versions of android, but I've only experienced jelly bean (+), and it
 just keeps trucking.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/21/2014 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Jump up to the Droid Maxx.  Double the battery.  Screen is a lot bigger,
 though :/

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  My Android fits in either front or back pocket.  It's large with a ~~
 5 (slightly less) screen.  The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy,
 and I love the long battery life.  DROID RAZR MAXX HD.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

 Mike,

  The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
 wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
 a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
 in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
 back pocket need some help.

 On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  haha

 This is the type I usually use.


 http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
 newer generation phones!
 http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg

  ...or you could always go the holster route...
 http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.

 Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).

 *shrugs*



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

  I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using
 the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass
 me mercilessly!

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or
 leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach
 them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
 sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.



 On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?

  I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
 reading).

 Tushar


 On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at
 first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back.

   The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to
 use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the 
 screen.
 Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my
 pocket etc.

  We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO.


  Sean


 On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family
 need new phones.

 I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have
 ever owned is an iPhone 4.
 Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Jerry,

Apple Maps.  Proof that's not accurate :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 2:46 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 I have been an iPhone uer for a while - 3, 4, 5, 5s. I'll get a 6 next
 year.

 Main reasons for not changing:
 - Stability. These things just keep working much like yours.
 - Consistency. I know iOS, the apps are proofed and generally work as
 expected
 - Investment. Got a lot of $$ ties up in apps and music. It's easier to
 stay with iPhone

 I'm on ATT, wife is on Verizon. Both have excellent coverage and few
 holes.

 I used to burn through data faster when I was commuting and in the field.
 Now that I'm at a home office on WiFi I use much less.

 Hope that helps.



 On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family need
 new phones.

 I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever
 owned is an iPhone 4.
 Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat, dumb and happy.

 Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone.
 I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps
 so we can spy on each other.
 One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one.  That kid and my wife are
 shopping for phones and plans.  Kid is OK with Apple products.  His mother
 has anxiety about leaving Android.  Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat
 or join PETA...

 (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing,
 Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree
 Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras).

 We are all on a pay as  you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT.

 No matter what we decide I get to pay.  The new phones are pretty
 expensive.  But they will amortize depending on the plan.
 Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different
 carriers, the different phones, etc etc.

 I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month.  Phone are for
 talking on.  But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably
 worthless too.  So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read
 books printed on plant matter.  (I do like the built in camera and a solar
 panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...)

 But I would like to get a good value.  I care more about price than
 features or OS.  Not so the rest of the clan.  (As in Scottish Clan,  OK,
 not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It  would be
 appreciated.





Re: [AFMUG] ePMP SNMP Location

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
There's a great SNMP website for all Cambium stuff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 7:58 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Does the ePMP not expose the SNMP Location that Mikrotik and Ubiquiti (and
 my Linux servers) do? It's not showing up in my monitoring program
 (Observium).



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL





Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Works pretty damn well so far.  Syncs.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 10:36 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Just curious   Who out there has had positive or negative results from
 EPMP.  What are the pluses and minuses?   I know price is a plus but other
 than that??

 Craig



Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results

2014-12-21 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Syncs like Canopy.

Haven't gotten anything heavily loaded yet, just moving people over and new
customers.  Going from 4 to 30 megs aggregate in the same channel size
kicks ass.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 10:46 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Syncs with all other towers?  What is the customer load or real throughput
 max out at?  Are the Sm's bandwidth capped?  how many SM's can you get on
 an AP without issues?

 Craig


 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:37:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results

 Works pretty damn well so far.  Syncs.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 21, 2014 10:36 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Just curious   Who out there has had positive or negative results from
 EPMP.  What are the pluses and minuses?   I know price is a plus but other
 than that??

 Craig





Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

2014-12-20 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Kinda what I thought...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 20, 2014 3:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Maybe it is a plot perpetrated by Sony to cut out the theaters.

 The demand for the banned movie will be off the charts, because everyone
 will want to see what they've been censored from.

 Pay per view, or video on demand, or even DVD/blue ray all seem viable to
 me.

 Will take a movie that might have made $100 million up into the
 multi-hundred million category.


 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/20/2014 12:26 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:

 It's not such a crazy idea anymore
 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169

 Sony Pictures says it is looking at different ways to release The
 Interview after scrapping its opening following a cyber-attack blamed on
 North Korea.

 Without theatres, we could not release it in the theatres on Christmas
 Day. We had no choice, the statement added.

 It is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the
 opportunity to do so.

 See, New distribution without theater owners, and they can't get upset.

 On 12/19/2014 6:45 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

  Wait, Rodman is a Mormon?� I thought he was fined $50K for insulting
 Mormons back in the day.
 �
 I was kind of hoping he would stay over in N. Korea with his buddy Un, the
 only person on the planet who thinks of him as a basketball player, not a
 washed up buffoon.� But N. Korea is stuck in 1950, so the Worm must seem
 like a basketball star from 45 years in the future.� I still can’t
 believe that idiot was on the same team with MJ.
 �
  �
  *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 6:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
  �
Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to
 heaven is in the nanoseconds...
  �
  �
  *From:* Jason Petrillo via Af af@afmug.com
  *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
  �

 Chuck,

 ������������� I didn’t think Mormons drank…

 �

 J

 �

 �

 Jason

 �

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 �

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

 �

 I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un
 and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al
 into Sony HQ to delete the copy.� While the worm was attempting to guess
 the Sony root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some
 files with the rest of� the world.� They are sorry and Kim Jong is not
 returning their calls anymore.�� So it is a big mistake, nothing to see
 here.� Please move along.�

 �

 *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

 �

 The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I
 come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away,
 somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason
 under the sun would open that can.

 �

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
 that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the
 gov't and the media industry before.� What if Sony is developing a
 new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.� What
 better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not
 anger theater owners.� 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way,
 because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'� And
 then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea
 who 'Forced them to have to do it this way'� They get to try something
 new without having ANYONE upset with them.� Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.

 Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel'
 as part of the perks?

  On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

  True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to
 want to take on that sort of liability.
 �
   --

 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

 If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
 mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
 hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.

 

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price!

2014-12-19 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
They're two different part numbers to make a force110.  I know for sure one
distributor can.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 19, 2014 11:31 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can they be bought separately? I know they  have a SKU for it, but maybe
 you can't actually buy them?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, December 19, 2014 10:18:36 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price!

 Just buy the force110 dishes and slap on the radio you already have...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 19, 2014 11:15 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Planned to use them with flat panels… then force110 came out…



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Friday, December 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price!

Ummm, curious care to share why you are getting rid of them?

  *From:* Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 7:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price!

   Hi,

 I have for sale

 50 Epmp 5 Ghz connectorized STA – New

 I’ll prefer to sell in 10packs = $700 for the 10 packs

 Also would take an offer for the whole  50 pack



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr







Re: [AFMUG] mass password change

2014-12-19 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I think it can be done with SNMP on both...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 For fsk and 450 if there is one?



 Josh Heide

 Velociter Wireless

 (office) 209-838-1221

 (fax) 209-838-1800

 www.velociter.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
 Af
 *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 9:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass password change



 For FSK radios?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Does anyone have the script to mass change sm passwords? I see that
 someone had linked it back in 2011 but it’s no longer accessible.



 Thanks for the  help





 Josh Heide

 Velociter Wireless

 (office) 209-838-1221

 (fax) 209-838-1800

 www.velociter.net





Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5 experiences - good/bad/ugly

2014-12-19 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Has anyone powered up an AF5 with DC yet?  Does this work for all Airfiber
units regardless of band?

http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-gigabit-poe-injector-for-airfiber/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Cheaper than 2K per link? Really?

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 If I was spending this kind of money I would go licensed over AF5.. buy
 used DragonWave compacts for chump change from some of the Bros on the list.



 The 5Ghz band is just to chancy for mission critical backhauls and AF5
 chews up your money making spectrum.




 *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com





Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I think you can do that exact same method if you use 169.254.1.1 (on every
radio or SM) on 2.3+ if you have a MT.

Still think it would be painfully stupid easy to add a virtual interface
that gets an IP from the AP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 10:17 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That Cambium so completely failed to realize how big of a use proxy access
 was on the Canopy product still completely baffles me.   Cambium spent way
 too much time trying to make a better Ubiquiti product rather than
 understanding how and why their own product was used.

 Hopefully they learned something :-)

 Mark


 On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal
 network between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the
 proxy so smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having
 the right IP address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when
 connecting from the AP).
 We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major
 headache..  We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with
 ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in
 the closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM..
 Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.

 Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it
 gets properly implemented.

 Vlad

 On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to
 a minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to
 get out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it
 at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check
 and go.   Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.

  This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the
 CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy.

  No way at all that I know of with ePMP.

  Mark


  On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs
 can't FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago
 that made the process super safe.

 One of the best features of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys
 me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP
 or vlan.
 On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Me too.

 I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have
 finger to count on.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:

 No, rather just have it.

 On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a
 show-stopper to not have it.

 This brings me to a new post...



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys
 had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not
 the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
 Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.

 I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
 make this work. Please do it.







 --
http://www.avast.com/

 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
 www.avast.com





Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Eww why that instead of Wbmfg???

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 10:49 AM, Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?


 http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models



 I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
 recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges



 I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently
 and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto
 surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this



 Anyone else tried out these surges?







Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
More bandwidth in 70 Ghz I think

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Not even close to an AF24 in terms of price.� Requested a quote for a
 2 mile link, and this is what I got.� Radios alone are double an AF24,
 there is extra cost for the antennas, plus extra for speed keys, AES, blah
 blah blah.� Bottom line is that you can install 4 AF24 links for one of
 these.


 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/16/2014 5:38 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

  Many of you deploying the Siklu EH-1200FX radios yet? Marketing material
 looks good: 1 Gbps full duplex for around the price of an AF-24 link�

 �


 *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 �





Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it on
the website.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet


 Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   And they fit the APC rack too!

  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the
 group's standard.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?


 http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models



 I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
 recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges



 I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently
 and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto
 surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this



 Anyone else tried out these surges?









Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
God I can only dream that would happen.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 As the Canopy proxy requires both the AP and the CPE being Canopy. MT
 supports anything using MAC telnet on that layer 2 segment. That would be
 other APs or CPE or routers or whatever else your box is configured as.
 Canopy is restricted to that AP and its CPE.

 I believe I've seen people dig up the Linux package MT uses for this
 feature for including it in other people's products. Just add mac telnet to
 ePMP?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:08:45 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 Equally so IME but that's also depending on both sides being MT.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that layer
 2 segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Vlad Sedov via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal
 network between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the
 proxy so smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having
 the right IP address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when
 connecting from the AP).
 We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major
 headache..  We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with
 ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in
 the closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM..
 Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.

 Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it
 gets properly implemented.

 Vlad

 On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to
 a minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to
 get out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it
 at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check
 and go.   Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.

  This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the
 CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy.

  No way at all that I know of with ePMP.

  Mark


  On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs
 can't FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago
 that made the process super safe.

 One of the best features of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys
 me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP
 or vlan.
 On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Me too.

 I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have
 finger to count on.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:

 No, rather just have it.

 On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a
 show-stopper to not have it.

 This brings me to a new post...



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you
 guys
 had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is
 not
 the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
 Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.

 I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
 make this work. Please do it.







 --
http://www.avast.com/

 This email has been checked

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
OK, just checking.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet


 I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Thanks!

  *From:* Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet


 I love the WB GigE-APC-POE!  Here is the APC rack mount...
 On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it
 on the website.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet


 Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack
 mountable?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   And they fit the APC rack too!

  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the
 group's standard.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?


 http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models



 I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
 recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges



 I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened
 recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and
 the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this



 Anyone else tried out these surges?









Re: [AFMUG] What are these ODUs?

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Kinda looks like Trango I'm guessing?  The ODU with the handle and fins
reminds me of the Remec ODU.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Seen on a roof in Accra, Ghana.

 The 100-series FSK and reflector, obviously, but what are the others







Re: [AFMUG] LINKPlanner supports PTP planning on the ePMP platform

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
This came a bit late, but I'm definitely glad to have the force110 PTP on
there!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Great



 And Thanks!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Collins via
 Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] LINKPlanner supports PTP planning on the ePMP platform



 *LINKPlanner now supports the planning of PTP links using ePMP (including
 the ePMP Force 110 PTP).  *



 LINKPlanner v4.2.1 was posted to the Cambium Networks support site today
 at:  https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/linkplanner/



 Now network operators can predict performance and plan their network
 deployments with ePMP 1000 in both PMP and PTP configurations.   The PTP
 planning mode includes support for the new ePMP Force 110 PTP which is a
 high-gain integrated solution especially configured for PTP applications.
 Select the ePMP Force 110 PTP from the antenna selection drop down menu to
 plan these networks and auto-generate the necessary bill of materials.



 For PMP networks, also be sure to look at the new Mean Predicted
 Throughput reports that show network designers how many subscriber modules
 are expected to be in each modulation mode for an indication of overall
 sector loading.



 LINKPlanner continues to grow more powerful and flexible now supporting
 network design for PMP (PMP 450 and ePMP) and PTP (PTP
 450/500/600/650/800/810/820 and ePMP) topologies.





 *Changes in version 4.2.1 (see user guide and release notes for details)*



 *New or changed features*



 · Added support for ePMP 1000 in PTP mode (including ePMP Force
 110 PTP)

 · Added high level Mean Predicted Throughput for ePMP 1000 AP

 · Updated PTP 820 Part Descriptions

 · Updated Optional Extras BOM generation for PTP 450 and PTP 820

 · Removed EIRP limit from PTP 450 Canada, FCC and Other-FCC at
 5.8 GHz

 o   For existing projects please check that the correct country option is
 selected.



 *Defect Corrections*



 · Fixed issue when creating SM custom antenna

 · Fixed PTP 800 and PTP 810 Installation Report issues

 · Prevent site coordinates from being changed on sites that have
 PMP links







 Regards,

 Bruce



 Bruce Collins

 Product Manager

 Cambium Networks



Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send it over here?

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Ya not a problem.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


  Buying some stuff online for wife.  They don’t ship to PR…. Anyone can
 help out?


  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr





Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send it over here?

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Yes.  Send it to the office and give me a shipping label or whatever.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 2:26 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Ill take that as a yes?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2014 at 3:18 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send
 it over here?

   Ya not a problem.


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:


  Buying some stuff online for wife.  They don’t ship to PR…. Anyone can
 help out?


  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr






Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send it over here?

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Not a problem at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 2:37 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Hey man thanks! I owe you! Should be receiving it tomorrow, Ill send
 you a UPS label later today!



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send
 it over here?

   Yes.  Send it to the office and give me a shipping label or whatever.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 2:26 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Ill take that as a yes?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2014 at 3:18 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send
 it over here?

   Ya not a problem.


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:


  Buying some stuff online for wife.  They don’t ship to PR…. Anyone can
 help out?


  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr






Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

2014-12-18 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
 to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in
 the closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM..
 Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.

 Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it
 gets properly implemented.

 Vlad

 On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a
 minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to
 get out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it
 at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check
 and go.   Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.

 This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the
 CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy.

 No way at all that I know of with ePMP.

 Mark



 On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs
 can't FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago
 that made the process super safe.
 One of the best features of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys
 me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP
 or vlan.
 On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Me too.

 I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have
 finger to count on.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:

 No, rather just have it.

 On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a
 show-stopper to not have it.

 This brings me to a new post...



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys

 had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not

 the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
 Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.

 I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
 make this work. Please do it.









 --
 http://www.avast.com/
 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
 www.avast.com





Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
It was clever :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 10:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That statement is so completely wrong I'm not even sure where to start.

 Ah well... just keep going exactly the opposite direction of the overall
 industry.  Good luck with that.

 Mark

 On 12/17/14, 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap* Stop it.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

   http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/
 images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing
 bridging vs routing with host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask
 questions about “Bridging vs Routing”


 Wednesday 11am CST


 Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media
 player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to 
 http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live
 chat to ask questions! You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes !


 n UPCOMMING SHOWS!

 n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays

 n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over
 the Top TV”

 n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens

 n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad




 Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!

   http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com







 --
 Mark Radabaugh
 Amplex

 m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021




Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye....

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Hell ya it is :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   FB is for girls...

  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:10 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye


 Clearly you're on the wrong FB

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 17, 2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   No need to leave the list.  Much more fun here than FB...

 From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 8:41 AM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Goodbye


 Hey folks….



 I’ve really enjoyed this list for quite a long time … really helpful
 folks here.  It’s time for me to make a career change (moving to a
 different company) and with this change I will have no involvement with
 wireless.



 Wish everyone the best and happy holidays!



 Paul Stewart






Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer. STAT !

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
If you just need to buy some hardware call these guys:

http://www.pandrcommunications.com/

Every single person I've talked to (engineering wise) knows their Moto and
RF stuff down pat.  Sales guys even know what they're talking about.  They
show up at Hamvention, of course, with their mobile tower and other toys.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  These guys know Motorola radios, both analog and digital:
 www.futronics.us

 800-443-2929

 Mike owns it, Tony is one of the techs.  Or luck of the draw :-)

 Mark


 On 12/17/14, 3:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

  Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer.  STAT !



 Need some intelligence and need to buy some stuff



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net





 --
 Mark Radabaugh
 Amplex
 m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021




Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer. STAT !

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Are you?  Can you email me off list - josh AT imaginenetworksllc.com


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jason Petrillo via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Paul,

We are also a Motorola Two-Way dealer.  If there is anything we
 can do to help just let me know.





 Thanks,



 Jason Petrillo

 Last Mile Gear

 360.442.4414





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
 via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:25 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way
 dealer. STAT !



 These guys know Motorola radios, both analog and digital: www.futronics.us

 800-443-2929

 Mike owns it, Tony is one of the techs.  Or luck of the draw :-)

 Mark

 On 12/17/14, 3:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

 Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer.  STAT !



 Need some intelligence and need to buy some stuff



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net






 --

 Mark Radabaugh

 Amplex



 m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021




Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
In Soviet Russia, communists are you!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We are?

 Maybe we were.


 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/17/2014 12:15 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

  You are all communists..

 You are right.

  You are?

you're





Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Call it 5 gigs and you left your laptop on overnight, wouldn't be that hard
would it?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
 sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
 it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
 Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
 much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
 Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
 amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.



Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
It's like buying a washing machine and complaining to the water company
when it doesn't work.  I guess I just can't get to such a dumb level
thinking my non-email company has email support for me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We get all sorts of support calls about all nature of things simply
 because we provide internet service.  Most people have no clue where their
 email comes from, so we get the calls.  You can explain that to them over
 and over, and yet they will still call when their email doesn't work.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/17/2014 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Huh???


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We don't offer email.  Never have.  None the less we get a lot of
 support calls about email.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


   On 12/17/2014 12:53 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote:

  We are the same, however we have a lot of emails from the past.



 We are also thinking of dropping email.  Too many of our help desk calls
 are email.



 Adam



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives



 we stopped offering it unless someone really bugs us about it.  Just tell
 them to get a gmail or yahoo account or host their own domain...time to
 move past 1998.



 one less thing to deal with :-)



 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Today, more than half of me says to get rid of email.  We currently offer
 it, have a low take rate, and those that take it don't use it.


   Regards,
 Chuck



 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hopefully no one subscribes to the AFMUG list. I am at 4.28 gigs just for
 this account.



 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 3 gig total, more can be purchased.  Just what comes with it, it’s a
 combined across all mailboxes, so no its not store everything forever.
 Spam control is the same system we use, just like any system, works great
 most of the time, lets some things though and in spurts just like anything
 else.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
 via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:56 PM


 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives



 How good is spam control?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:57 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives



 3 gig total or 3 gig per box?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: *Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives

 WE do 1000 mailboxes 3 gig of storage, your own management interface to
 add, change etc, plus filtering for 79.99 a month.  That would be .08 per
 mailbox..



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives



 Received the email from Virtacore that they now have a solution for us to
 migrate to.  .50 a box seems a bit high doesn't it?  What alternatives are
 out there for a reliable hosted solution?  Here is the mail:



 Dear Valued Partner,

 Thank you for your continued business. As your trusted provider of Cloud
 services, we strive to bring you great solutions for the best value.  Since
 Google has announced the end-of-life of their Google Apps for Service
 Provider hosted email platform that you purchased through Virtacore, we
 have worked to find an alternate best in class solution to meet your hosted
 email needs.  We pride ourselves on your satisfaction with our service. To
 assist you with business continuity, we have chosen a product that provides
 your customers with the following:

 ●  Reliable mail platform with mailboxes that have up to 7GB of
 storage

 ●  Best in class spam solution

 ●  Private email platform to ensure your ends users’ security

 ●  Elegant webmail interface

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a
 show-stopper to not have it.

 This brings me to a new post...



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP proxy

 OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys
 had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not
 the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
 Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.

 I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
 make this work. Please do it.




Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning

2014-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Cable has TACACSIS or whatever and DOCSIS.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 9:56 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 How do the big boys manage their gear? LTE base stations, DSLAMs, cable
 headends, etc.? Surely they don't all have web interfaces. I assume you
 plug them in, they pull some config from a central server, etc.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Thanks!  This is what I ordered:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OXK1M8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Amazon

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 12/15/2014 07:58 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:


 Matt,

 Where do you get that stuff?  Looks great!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 15, 2014 8:02 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 I use 3M Dual Lock

 http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/
 Tapes/Brands/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fasteners/

 It works at really low and high temps. Its like velcro but WAY
 better. Sticks to anything. You can buy it in long rolls and cut
 it to the size you need.

 The next step is training everyone to carry it with them when they
 go to a site to fix something.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000

 On 12/15/2014 09:20 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

 anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size
 power supplies and poe injectors?

 I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to
 handle most of the gear keeping it pretty, but the power
 supplies are the problem now. Velcro is good, but they tend to
 slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in a pinch nobody has
 them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the box loose.

 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must
 remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled
 by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there
 must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM
 maintenance manual, 1925






Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 In Europe... it is common for the yellow light to flash before green as
 well.  Concept being it gives you time to put your car in gear before you
 go (automatics are still fairly uncommon there).  Took me awhile to get
 used to... although I drive now in Europe at least twice a year.

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
 via
  Af
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
 
  I don't ever want to see a countdown for a green or red light.  The
 idiots
  already try and push it now if they had a graph that shows them exaclty
  when it will change...  no thanks.
 
  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
 
  Those all look like virtual prototypes in testing, or CGI.  Nice
 ideas, but
  making them work in real life is another matter entirely.
 
  On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
  wrote:
  
   Invisible hood is better, came out a while ago
  
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRGwLDLRp8
  
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
   wrote:
  
The start of the video shows invisible A/B pillars.. but I like
   this part better.
  
   http://youtu.be/c98h41TkREA?t=1m
  
   --
   josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::
   www.spitwspots.com
  
  
  




Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
The average driver doesn't know how to use that...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On 12/16/14, 6:47 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:

 I don't ever want to see a countdown for a green or red light.  The
 idiots already try and push it now if they had a graph that shows them
 exaclty when it will change...  no thanks.



 The pedestrian signal countdown timers effectively are the same thing and
 they're everywhere, at least where I am.

 ~Seth



Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Half of the car club has a 6MT.  It's funny because I'm ahead of them in my
7AT =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.



 I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car
 because they can't figure out how to operate it.

 ~Seth



Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
What's really stupid is that the install doesn't add the firewall rules...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I had something equally ridiculous before. I felt like a fool when Cambium
 support found it. I had turned off the firewall when I installed it, but
 the install had me reboot and IPTables turned back on. I've started putting
 forth the effort to figure out what holes need to be opened up on things
 instead of just turning it off.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:56:46 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install

  LOL



 Sure enough, didn’t think about CentOS, and default iptables.  I’m more of
 a Gentoo guy…



 Did a #iptables –F and it came right up



 Thanks!

 Justin



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install



 New CentOS server?  $50 says it is a firewall.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 16, 2014 10:45 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 The firewall is definitely open, same IP I’ve used for CNS server in the
 past.

 I disabled SELinux.  With setenable 0, and disabled in the
 /etc/selinux/config file…



 But now that you mention it, I can’t telnet to anything except port 22,
 however netstat shows it listening on 80/443

 Wondering why I can’t telnet to port 80….And I’m trying from another box
 from inside the same subnet, no Firewall involved.





 [root@cnss logs]# netstat -ano

 Active Internet connections (servers and established)

 Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign
 Address State   Timer

 tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:22  0.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  off (0.00/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  0.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  off (0.00/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  off (0.00/0/0)

 tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  off (0.00/0/0)

 tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:80  0.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  off (0.00/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48692
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.13/0/0)

 tcp0  0 10.192.172.113:22   10.192.172.114:53539
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (3954.62/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48695
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.17/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48700
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.24/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48693
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.14/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48694
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.15/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48699
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.23/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48696
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.18/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48691
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.04/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48697
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.20/0/0)

 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:5432  127.0.0.1:48698
 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.21/0/0)



 and when I manually try and restart Apache I get:

 [root@cnss logs]# /etc/init.d/lappstackApache restart

 [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.272177 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module
 php5_module is already loaded, skipping

 [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284824 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module
 php5_module is already loaded, skipping

 [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284875 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module
 rewrite_module is already loaded, skipping

 AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next
 release /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf:557

 Syntax OK





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
 Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:58 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install



 Also turn down Selinux

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 16, 2014 9:57 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Did you open the firewall?  Do a netstat to see if it is running and
 telnet to see if you can connect to the ports.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 16, 2014 9:52 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Trying to do an install of CNS Server on CentOS 6.6(x86_64).  Accepted all
 the defaults

Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Oh I like to drive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCULQREBnik


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted
 to people that love the driving thing.  Stick shift makes you more
 involved.

 And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming more
 effective every day.  I'm surprised by the number of people that don't know
 how to drive a stick any more.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:

 On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.



 I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car
 because they can't figure out how to operate it.

 ~Seth





Re: [AFMUG] DC plant DIN rail UPS

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I just put one of these together, seems to be what you're after.  It
provides juice so it works for me.

ACDC battery charger
Meanwell AD-155B
Meanwell DRL-02
Meanwell DRP-03



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Have you looked at the Traco chargers and power supplies?

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 We just had a bad experience with a battery charger/battery backup that
 did not work as expected.

 We're looking at this right now:

 https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=516011

 What we like about this is that it has separate connections for battery 
 load, and also does automatic battery tests with an alarm output.

 Is anyone using something similar that they like?


 --
 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com






Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
It's not the same thing AT ALL.  It's a third gear box option.  My car has
automatic and paddle shift.  It is not the same as driving the 6MT of the
identical car at all.  Remember there is no clutch and it is generally
sequential, which is probably where that different feel of driving comes in.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 For manual lovers that have used flappy-paddle gear boxes, how do they
 compare in the involvement with the driving experience?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:54:16 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

 All of my vehicles except my most recent car (and the work van) have been
 manual, I miss that quite a bit.

 On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted
 to people that love the driving thing.  Stick shift makes you more
 involved.

 And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming more
 effective every day.  I'm surprised by the number of people that don't know
 how to drive a stick any more.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com

 On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:

 On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.



 I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car
 because they can't figure out how to operate it.

 ~Seth






Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Not at all.  The up/down on the stick shift for manu-matic is just weird
and awful.  When you're using paddles it's more F1 like.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I've never driven a real paddle shift, but I did have a car with a
 manually shiftable automatic, which I'd guess is a somewhat similar
 experience... definitely not at all the same as a stick shift, but it does
 give you somewhat more of an involved feel than automatic.

 The lack of a clutch definitely would make a huge difference.

  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:01 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

   It's not the same thing AT ALL.  It's a third gear box option.  My car
 has automatic and paddle shift.  It is not the same as driving the 6MT of
 the identical car at all.  Remember there is no clutch and it is generally
 sequential, which is probably where that different feel of driving comes in.


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  For manual lovers that have used flappy-paddle gear boxes, how do
 they compare in the involvement with the driving experience?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:54:16 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

 All of my vehicles except my most recent car (and the work van) have been
 manual, I miss that quite a bit.

 On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted
 to people that love the driving thing.  Stick shift makes you more
 involved.

 And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming
 more effective every day.  I'm surprised by the number of people that don't
 know how to drive a stick any more.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com

 On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:

 On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.



 I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car
 because they can't figure out how to operate it.

 ~Seth







Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

2014-12-16 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
In school we had a Jack Imhoff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 2:45 PM, Dan Petermann via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 My chiropractor when I was younger was named Wayne Knauf.  His brother’s
 name was Jack. I always wondered if their parents knew.

 Pop this in google: Dr. Wayne knauf Alexandria, mn



 On Dec 16, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 One day, way back in the dialup days, when people would sign up for an
 account, they’d have no idea what to use for an email address.  So we
 suggested ‘first name, initial of last name.’

 One day, an older gent comes in, signs up.  My coworker brings me the
 form, I start to set it all up.  Then I notice the email address.

 ‘Doug,’ I say, to my older, straight-laced, religious-type co-worker, ‘are
 you sure about this email address?’
 ‘Yes,’ he says.
 ‘Really?’  says I.
 ‘Yes, ‘ he says.  ‘Don G.  That’s his name.’
 ‘Look at the form, Doug,’ I urge.  ‘Look at it.’
 He looks.
 ‘Don G at ourdomain.com.  Looks fine to me,’ he says.
 ‘Keep looking,’ I say, and I wait.
 Tick.
 Tick.
 Tick.
 “OH NO! “ and out he races to attempt to catch the man who just signed up
 for an email address of ‘d...@ourdomain.com’.

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2014 2:59 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 Seriously, that would have been very cool.

 Rory

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2014 12:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 That's funny.  My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say
 that one out loud.  Arrow SmithI don't think so.

 On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 My last name is House.   When my son was on the way my wife and I  were
 discussing names for him.   She suggested Porter.   She was serious until I
 made her say his whole name out loud.

 Craig


 --
 *From: *Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub.
 On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined,
 otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.

 There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though.  I worked
 with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry
 Dyke.  I went to school with a Jerry Ferry.  Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover
 downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website.

 *From:* Craig House via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover


 --
 *From: *Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

 Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.


 On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:

 I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from.  Like I.P.
 Freely.   Seymour Butts  juvenile stuff.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 It took me a moment...

 *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)


 My favorite is Chuck U. Farley

 Jaime Solorza
 On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined.

 Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st
 century.





Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

2014-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Try http://poemounts.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
 supplies and poe injectors?

 I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
 the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
 Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
 a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
 box loose.

 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 and PTP650

2014-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Would have been a fantastic feature to upgrade the radios.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 15, 2014 1:33 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Thought as much, had a link fail and no spare on the shelf.  Have a
 ptp600, hoping for a quick temp fix.



 Thanks



 Adam



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Collins via
 Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 10:24 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 and PTP650



 Adam,



 No.   You can’t connect a PTP 650 to a PTP 600 in a single link.   You can
 synchronize PTP 650 links and PTP 600 links next to each other on the same
 tower but the air interface is not compatible.



 Regards,

 Bruce



 Product Manager

 Cambium Networks







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 11:06 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] PTP600 and PTP650



 I don’t suppose Cambium put in a compatibility mode so a 5.7 PTP650 could
 connect to a PTP600?



 Adam



Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

2014-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
I don't think so, but look at the website's notice.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 15, 2014 1:38 PM, Erich Kaiser via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Do they have a holder for the larger POE units?

 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Try http://poemounts.com/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
 supplies and poe injectors?

 I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
 the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
 Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
 a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
 box loose.

 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

2014-12-15 Thread Josh Luthman via Af
Yup that's how I heard about them, tried a few and they seem OK.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Heith Petersen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I think we got one of these free from WISPAlooza this year, as well as a
 handy lid for your cans of pop!



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
 Af
 *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 12:41 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures



 I don't think so, but look at the website's notice.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 15, 2014 1:38 PM, Erich Kaiser via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Do they have a holder for the larger POE units?



 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Try http://poemounts.com/




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
 supplies and poe injectors?



 I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
 the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
 Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
 a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
 box loose.



 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



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