Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-26 Thread Mike Hammett 
I'm more accepting of it on backhauls because there's another path. There isn't 
for PtMP. 

BFD or (preferably) the radio's ability to drop the Ethernet port should have 
taken the link down immediately. 




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Mike Hammett 
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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:14:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 



Exactly. I don’t consider a minute of downtime acceptable on a backhaul, 
especially if you have no control over when or how often it happens. Also it’s 
long enough to trigger OSPF to reroute traffic. 

Customer expectations about the Internet have changed, the phone may already be 
ringing before the AP has finished scanning and the SMs have reregistered on 
the new frequency. Their phone calls drop, their video pauses, they get kicked 
out of games, their VPN session to work drops. 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:05 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


There's still the LBT timer. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 

With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the radio to 
go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies get hits and 
cause the AP to go down. 



On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on another 
path. Not so with PtMP. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 

I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered. On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change. 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance. For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect? Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead? 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable. 





On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 


As long as you're at a safe distance yes. I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake? 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 




Yeah, the U is upper band only. 
The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance. 





On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 


I think one or two modulations. 
You can't do the lower frequencies on the U. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Is there any difference performance wise on these two? 

What is the distance for full modulation on the AF-5U ? 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the AF-5U 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Rory Conaway 
One of the features on the Mimosa B5’s and B5c’s is the ability to look ahead 
and reserve a DFS frequency so that if it has to change, there is no downtime.  
We are replacing one of our links right now because of that.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:29 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

I think it all depends on the link. We have some links/APs on DFS channels that 
have been running for years without any DFS hits, and others that are pretty 
much unusable.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well on AF5X I had way to may false radar hits to the point where I would 
absolutely avoid putting nay backhaul on DFS freqs. Not all of my towers have 
redundant links. I

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Exactly.  I don’t consider a minute of downtime acceptable on a backhaul, 
especially if you have no control over when or how often it happens.  Also it’s 
long enough to trigger OSPF to reroute traffic.

Customer expectations about the Internet have changed, the phone may already be 
ringing before the AP has finished scanning and the SMs have reregistered on 
the new frequency.  Their phone calls drop, their video pauses, they get kicked 
out of games, their VPN session to work drops.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

There's still the LBT timer.


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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
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To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the radio to 
go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies get hits and 
cause the AP to go down.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on another 
path. Not so with PtMP.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Mathew Howard 
I think it all depends on the link. We have some links/APs on DFS channels
that have been running for years without any DFS hits, and others that are
pretty much unusable.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well on AF5X I had way to may false radar hits to the point where I would
> absolutely avoid putting nay backhaul on DFS freqs. Not all of my towers
> have redundant links. I
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  I don’t consider a minute of downtime acceptable on a backhaul,
>> especially if you have no control over when or how often it happens.  Also
>> it’s long enough to trigger OSPF to reroute traffic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Customer expectations about the Internet have changed, the phone may
>> already be ringing before the AP has finished scanning and the SMs have
>> reregistered on the new frequency.  Their phone calls drop, their video
>> pauses, they get kicked out of games, their VPN session to work drops.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>>
>>
>> There's still the LBT timer.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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>>
>>
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>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>> With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the
>> radio to go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies
>> get hits and cause the AP to go down.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on
>> another path. Not so with PtMP.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the
>> other hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
>> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
>> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
>> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
>> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>>
>>
>> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Well on AF5X I had way to may false radar hits to the point where I would
absolutely avoid putting nay backhaul on DFS freqs. Not all of my towers
have redundant links. I

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Exactly.  I don’t consider a minute of downtime acceptable on a backhaul,
> especially if you have no control over when or how often it happens.  Also
> it’s long enough to trigger OSPF to reroute traffic.
>
>
>
> Customer expectations about the Internet have changed, the phone may
> already be ringing before the AP has finished scanning and the SMs have
> reregistered on the new frequency.  Their phone calls drop, their video
> pauses, they get kicked out of games, their VPN session to work drops.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> There's still the LBT timer.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
> With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the
> radio to go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies
> get hits and cause the AP to go down.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on
> another path. Not so with PtMP.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other
> hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>
>
>
> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
> from me for the TDWR here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmai

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Exactly.  I don’t consider a minute of downtime acceptable on a backhaul, 
especially if you have no control over when or how often it happens.  Also it’s 
long enough to trigger OSPF to reroute traffic.

 

Customer expectations about the Internet have changed, the phone may already be 
ringing before the AP has finished scanning and the SMs have reregistered on 
the new frequency.  Their phone calls drop, their video pauses, they get kicked 
out of games, their VPN session to work drops.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

 

There's still the LBT timer.



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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the radio to 
go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies get hits and 
cause the AP to go down.

 

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on another 
path. Not so with PtMP.



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  _____  


From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.

 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

 

I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake?

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the U is upper band only.

The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance.

 

On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" &l

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Mike Hammett 
There's still the LBT timer. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:03:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the radio to 
go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies get hits and 
cause the AP to go down. 


On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on another 
path. Not so with PtMP. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 



I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered. On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change. 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance. For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect? Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead? 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable. 





On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 


As long as you're at a safe distance yes. I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake? 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 




Yeah, the U is upper band only. 
The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance. 





On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 


I think one or two modulations. 
You can't do the lower frequencies on the U. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Is there any difference performance wise on these two? 

What is the distance for full modulation on the AF-5U ? 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the AF-5U 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
With the PMP450 you can select up to 2 alternative frequencies for the
radio to go to if it gets a DFS hit. Very rarely would all 3 frequencies
get hits and cause the AP to go down.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on
> another path. Not so with PtMP.
>
>
>
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> --------------
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other
> hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>
>
>
> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
> from me for the TDWR here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
> selected. Is that a mistake?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>
> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good
> antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as
> long as it works for your link distance.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think one or two modulations.
>
> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>
>
>
> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>  ?
>
>
>
> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>
>
>
>
> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Mike Hammett 
DFS is great for PtP because if it goes down, you have another one on another 
path. Not so with PtMP. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 



I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered. On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change. 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance. For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect? Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead? 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable. 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 


As long as you're at a safe distance yes. I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake? 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 




Yeah, the U is upper band only. 
The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance. 





On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 


I think one or two modulations. 
You can't do the lower frequencies on the U. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Is there any difference performance wise on these two? 

What is the distance for full modulation on the AF-5U ? 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the AF-5U 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-25 Thread Mike Hammett 
Those frequencies have been available or unavailable to be certified on at 
different times. It was open until people abused it and the FCC pulled it. Then 
later they opened it back again with new requirements. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:30:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x 


Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake? 


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 



Yeah, the U is upper band only. 
The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance. 




On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



I think one or two modulations. 
You can't do the lower frequencies on the U. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Is there any difference performance wise on these two? 

What is the distance for full modulation on the AF-5U ? 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the AF-5U 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
Well, the AF-5/5U does have a couple of good points over the 5X - because
it can do full duplex, it can do quite a bit more throughput, you can use
an entire 50mhz channel for one direction (I think something like 640Mbps,
if you can get 10x to work), where the AF-5x can only do 75% of that at
best (of course if you need bigger antennas to be able to maintain decent
modulations, the speed advantage goes away pretty quickly), it also has the
nice feature of being able to use not only different channels for up and
down (which the 5x can also do), but also different channel sizes (which
the 5x can't do). In most cases, this stuff isn't worth the trade-offs and
the AF-5x is almost always going to be the better choice (in my opinion),
but there are some cases where the peanut shaped monstrosities are a good
fit.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Original AF5 is twice the cost of 5X but it does full duplex. To me its
> more important to have all the 5GHZ band available rather than have full
> duplex in only the upper part of the band.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay, but it still doesn't have any advantage over a normal AF5 in the
>> US, does it? it looks to me like it would just lose you 5.47-5.7ghz,
>> without gaining anything (in the US).
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Original AF5 is twice the cost of 5X but it does full duplex. To me its
more important to have all the 5GHZ band available rather than have full
duplex in only the upper part of the band.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Okay, but it still doesn't have any advantage over a normal AF5 in the US,
> does it? it looks to me like it would just lose you 5.47-5.7ghz, without
> gaining anything (in the US).
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
Okay, but it still doesn't have any advantage over a normal AF5 in the US,
does it? it looks to me like it would just lose you 5.47-5.7ghz, without
gaining anything (in the US).

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Reynolds 
The 5U is legal in the US, just restricted to 5ghz upper. In other markets
its allowed to be used in part of the 6GHz band.

On Oct 24, 2016 9:34 AM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somebody here ought to point out that the biggest difference in
> performance between is that the AF-5 (I don't think the 5U is actually
> legal to use in the US, is it?) and the AF-5X is that the AF-5 is capable
> of doing full duplex, and can do quit a bit higher throughput because of
> that - of course it also has some pretty significant disadvantages, like
> being gigantic, using lots of power and being stuck with fairly low gain
> antennas.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Define “range sucks”.  I think radios with low OOBE get higher EIRP.  I
>> have a 16 mile AF5x link in U-NII-1 that doesn’t seem to suck.  I have been
>> using the little AF5x dishes at around 5 miles in U-NII-1 and again, no
>> suck.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to do 40 miles or something?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>>
>>
>> Range on lower sucks. Also, the AF-U wouldn't support those. AF-5X would.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 9:14 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the
>> other hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
>> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
>> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
>> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
>> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>>
>>
>>
>> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
>> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
>> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
>> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30
>> km from me for the TDWR here.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
>> selected. Is that a mistake?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>>
>> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very
>> good antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the
>> money, as long as it works for your link distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think one or two modulations.
>>
>> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>  ?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
>> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
>> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Mathew Howard 
Somebody here ought to point out that the biggest difference in performance
between is that the AF-5 (I don't think the 5U is actually legal to use in
the US, is it?) and the AF-5X is that the AF-5 is capable of doing full
duplex, and can do quit a bit higher throughput because of that - of course
it also has some pretty significant disadvantages, like being gigantic,
using lots of power and being stuck with fairly low gain antennas.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Define “range sucks”.  I think radios with low OOBE get higher EIRP.  I
> have a 16 mile AF5x link in U-NII-1 that doesn’t seem to suck.  I have been
> using the little AF5x dishes at around 5 miles in U-NII-1 and again, no
> suck.
>
>
>
> Are you trying to do 40 miles or something?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> Range on lower sucks. Also, the AF-U wouldn't support those. AF-5X would.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 9:14 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other
> hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>
>
>
> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
> from me for the TDWR here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
> selected. Is that a mistake?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>
> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good
> antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as
> long as it works for your link distance.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think one or two modulations.
>
> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>
>
>
> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>  ?
>
>
>
> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>
>
>
>
> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Define “range sucks”.  I think radios with low OOBE get higher EIRP.  I have a 
16 mile AF5x link in U-NII-1 that doesn’t seem to suck.  I have been using the 
little AF5x dishes at around 5 miles in U-NII-1 and again, no suck.

 

Are you trying to do 40 miles or something?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

 

Range on lower sucks. Also, the AF-U wouldn't support those. AF-5X would.

 

On Oct 24, 2016 9:14 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.

 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

 

I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake?

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the U is upper band only.

The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance.

 

On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I think one or two modulations.

You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Is there any difference performance wise on these two?

 

What is the distance for full modulation on the  
<https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0> AF-5U  ?

 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the  
<https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0> AF-5U

 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> 

www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com> 

www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other hand 
some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.

 

I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the path 
isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that matter, I 
really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP links, can you 
really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you not have lower 5 
GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

 

I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X allows 
transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed out. I 
figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT. Maybe cambium 
just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km from 
me for the TDWR here.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be 
selected. Is that a mistake?

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the U is upper band only.

The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good 
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as 
long as it works for your link distance.

 

On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I think one or two modulations.

You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Is there any difference performance wise on these two?

 

What is the distance for full modulation on the  
<https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0> AF-5U  ?

 

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the  
<https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0> AF-5U

 

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> 

www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com> 

www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Range on lower sucks. Also, the AF-U wouldn't support those. AF-5X would.

On Oct 24, 2016 9:14 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I think PTP links are narrow beams and carefully engineered.  On the other
> hand some PTP radios allow auto frequency change.
>
>
>
> I would be very cautious about using those frequencies and make sure the
> path isn’t inline with any TDWR sites no matter the distance.  For that
> matter, I really don’t like the idea of using DFS frequencies for PTP
> links, can you really afford the downtime for a false radar detect?  Do you
> not have lower 5 GHz non-DFS frequencies available to use instead?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x
>
>
>
> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
> from me for the TDWR here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
> selected. Is that a mistake?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>
> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good
> antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as
> long as it works for your link distance.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think one or two modulations.
>
> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>
>
>
> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>  ?
>
>
>
> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
> <https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF%2D5U===0>
>
>
>
> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman 
All about CYA I expect.  I think gear is certified for the band, not
frequencies.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
> allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
> out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
> Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30
>> km from me for the TDWR here.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to
>>> be selected. Is that a mistake?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the U is upper band only.

 The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very
 good antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the
 money, as long as it works for your link distance.

 On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> I think one or two modulations.
>
> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
>> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>>   ?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
>> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
I am 60 miles from closest TDWR. I just thought it was odd that the AF5X
allows transmit on that freq but the PMP450 AP has those frequencies greyed
out. I figured that Cambium would be certified for more freqs than UBNT.
Maybe cambium just made that choice to make those freqs unavailable.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
> from me for the TDWR here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
>> selected. Is that a mistake?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>>>
>>> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very
>>> good antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the
>>> money, as long as it works for your link distance.
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think one or two modulations.

 You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>
>
>
> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>   ?
>
>
>
> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
> 
>
>
>
> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman 
As long as you're at a safe distance yes.  I'm sure you're more than 30 km
from me for the TDWR here.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 24, 2016 8:30 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

> Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
> selected. Is that a mistake?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>>
>> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very
>> good antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the
>> money, as long as it works for your link distance.
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think one or two modulations.
>>>
>>> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>>
 Is there any difference performance wise on these two?



 What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
   ?



 What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
 



 I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
 factors, but looking to get close on a comparison



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com





>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Is AF5X legal to transmit on 5600-5650mhz? Firmware 3.2.1 allows it to be
selected. Is that a mistake?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Yeah, the U is upper band only.
>
> The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good
> antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as
> long as it works for your link distance.
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I think one or two modulations.
>>
>> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>>>   ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
>>> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Yeah, the U is upper band only.

The AF-5 goes down to 5470 (if the datasheet is still accurate). Very good
antennas, but limited gain. 1024QAM. GPS sync. Good radio for the money, as
long as it works for your link distance.

On Oct 24, 2016 7:14 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I think one or two modulations.
>
> You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
>> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>>   ?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
>> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Josh Luthman 
I think one or two modulations.

You can't do the lower frequencies on the U.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 24, 2016 8:05 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Is there any difference performance wise on these two?
>
>
>
> What is the distance for full modulation on the *AF-5U*
>   ?
>
>
>
> What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the *AF-5U*
> 
>
>
>
> I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental
> factors, but looking to get close on a comparison
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] AF-5U vs. AF-5x

2016-10-24 Thread Paul McCall 
Is there any difference performance wise on these two?

What is the distance for full modulation on the 
AF-5U  ?

What is the longest link (at decent modulation) on the 
AF-5U

I understand that will vary quite a bit with the normal environmental factors, 
but looking to get close on a comparison

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com