Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I did one the other day on an old style POE. I managed to cut the wires
without blowing it up, but the crimp did it in.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 11:11 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've seen plastic crimpers, but I don't know that I'd
trust them to do a decent crimp...
It doesn't seem to hurt most power supplies, but I always try to be
quick about it when I do it... it all depends on the situation though,
in some cases it isn't worth the risk even if it is small.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also
short all the pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there
plastic or ceramic crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same
time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer
ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last
too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without
doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run
without frying stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing
damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with
that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable,
then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in,
but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the
home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside
of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
The risk is dropping 24VDC across the Ethernet…
The power supply might be able to take it but the NIC chip might not.
Plastic crimps just have a much shorter lifespan on the dies, but if they are
only used to crimp hot connections they should last a while
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I'm pretty sure I've seen plastic crimpers, but I don't know that I'd trust
them to do a decent crimp...
It doesn't seem to hurt most power supplies, but I always try to be quick about
it when I do it... it all depends on the situation though, in some cases it
isn't worth the risk even if it is small.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also short all the
pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there plastic or ceramic
crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet
port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I
didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the
outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Anyone know of a outdoor splice that's inline that's like 5 bucks or less ?
On Feb 19, 2015 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote:
The risk is dropping 24VDC across the Ethernet…
The power supply might be able to take it but the NIC chip might not.
Plastic crimps just have a much shorter lifespan on the dies, but if they
are only used to crimp hot connections they should last a while
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:12 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I'm pretty sure I've seen plastic crimpers, but I don't know that I'd
trust them to do a decent crimp...
It doesn't seem to hurt most power supplies, but I always try to be quick
about it when I do it... it all depends on the situation though, in some
cases it isn't worth the risk even if it is small.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also short
all the pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there plastic or
ceramic crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the
Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I
didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the
outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
+1 :) On 02/19/2015 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also short
all the pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there plastic or
ceramic crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying
stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to
the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice
if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live
run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Not that is recomended, but I do it alot. I crimp ends too. Most power supplies these days just shutdown on a short On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
It's not worth the risk of damaging equipment IMO. If this is a common concern, why not have the cable run stop at an outdoor box before going in to the home? UBNT has a solution for this, I know others do as well. http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/ETH-SP/Ethernet_Surge_Protector_DS.pdf -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 02/19/2015 09:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
[AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
We've had installers fry power supplies crimping them while plugged in. If you had a punch down lightning arrestor, it could work. But I'd strip the wire and cut each cable individually. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
If you are careful when you open the jacket and only cut the blue, then brown pair and don't short them it can be done. Problem is when you re-crimp you short the PoE to the Ethernet and there is no way to avoid that unless you are punching it down or using the crimp caps. In general I would do it in a pinch, but I don't trust installers to do it... -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the
Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I
didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to
the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I'm pretty sure I've seen plastic crimpers, but I don't know that I'd trust
them to do a decent crimp...
It doesn't seem to hurt most power supplies, but I always try to be quick
about it when I do it... it all depends on the situation though, in some
cases it isn't worth the risk even if it is small.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also short
all the pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there plastic or
ceramic crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying
stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the
Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I
didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the
outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Per UL requirements, almost all transformer style power bricks will incorporate a (non field replaceable) fuse. If you short the output, the fuse pops. -Original Message- From: David Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? +1 :) On 02/19/2015 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
If it is a splice you can do as mentioned here and strip back and cut each wire separately and then use those gel splice connectors that I sent you a link to. It's completely safe and won't short like crimping a RJ45. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Per UL requirements, almost all transformer style power bricks will incorporate a (non field replaceable) fuse. If you short the output, the fuse pops. -Original Message- From: David Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? +1 :) On 02/19/2015 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Don't do it on an old canopy power supply. It will blow it for certain. (Talking about the old original units, not the switchmode powersupply units). -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
