Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[George Skorup]

Bummer. Woulda made it much easier to mix 450, 450i and lots of other 
48v stuff.


On 3/11/2016 9:49 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:


You may have already seen the post in our forum, but in case you don’t 
frequent the site… the answer (posted by our engineering team) is NO, 
do not attempt to use voltages above 30 VDC.


http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP450-AP-48-volt-support/m-p/51650#M2172

To quote him: “You may be able to get it running for some time but 
eventually, because of the overstress on the parts” and this will 
eventually cause them to fail prematurely.


Thanks,

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Vander Dussen
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Well, we powered several 450 APs this morning off 48v for about 3 hours :)

Thanks,

`S

---

Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


On Mar 10, 2016, at 16:36, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for
the 450 AP. Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I
wonder if the hardware supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's
just the 29.5 standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will
indeed run fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like
I can downsize some DC-DC converters.

On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet
does indeed say 22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are
being powered and running happily at 48VDC? That's funny
because they're also supposed to be 30VDC max.

On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

You know what's funny is we did... But every time we
tested we happened to grab 450 since that's almost
exclusively what were installing now. One time one of
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned
it in passing but we chalked it up to bad FSK taken
from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,

`S

---

Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>>
wrote:

As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized
APs of our own and Bill Prince has 2 which I'm
driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also
connectorized and shipping me some for
spares.  Love this list, thanks guys! We'll
have 80% of the customers restored within 90
minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of
Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you
code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove
the regulator chip from an SM and replace it
into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that
dies from overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Matt Mangriotis]

You may have already seen the post in our forum, but in case you don’t frequent 
the site… the answer (posted by our engineering team) is NO, do not attempt to 
use voltages above 30 VDC.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/PMP450-AP-48-volt-support/m-p/51650#M2172

To quote him: “You may be able to get it running for some time but eventually, 
because of the overstress on the parts” and this will eventually cause them to 
fail prematurely.

Thanks,
Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Well, we powered several 450 APs this morning off 48v for about 3 hours :)

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 16:36, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 450 AP. 
Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if the hardware 
supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will indeed run 
fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can downsize some 
DC-DC converters.
On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does indeed say 
22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and 
running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be 
30VDC max.
On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to grab 
450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time one of 
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing but we 
chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:
As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of J

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Well, we powered several 450 APs this morning off 48v for about 3 hours :)

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 16:36, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 450 AP. 
Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if the hardware 
supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will indeed run 
fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can downsize some 
DC-DC converters.

On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does indeed say 
22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and 
running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be 
30VDC max.

On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to grab 
450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time one of 
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing but we 
chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman 
<<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
 wrote:


That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
<<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> 
wrote:
As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
<<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>>
wro

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[George Skorup]

At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 
450 AP. Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if 
the hardware supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 
standard.


Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will 
indeed run fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can 
downsize some DC-DC converters.


On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does 
indeed say 22-32VDC.


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being
powered and running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're
also supposed to be 30VDC max.

On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we
happened to grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were
installing now. One time one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and
it died- he mentioned it in passing but we chalked it up to bad
FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:

As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own
and Bill Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul
McCall is also connectorized and shipping me some for
spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of the
customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert
an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator
chip from an SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is
the regulator that dies from overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
    Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring
of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
        Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you
feed them.  If you feed

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Vince West]

Good point.

The PMP 450i 900Mhz we installed calls for a 48v PoE (sped sheet states
48-59v, 802.3at compliant). The test PMP 450 2.4Ghz AP we have plugged in
to a Netonix is using 24v (spec sheet states 22-32V)

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and
> running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be
> 30VDC max.
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
> You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to
> grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time
> one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing
> but we chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman < <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.
>
> Next time lab it :)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill
>> Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also
>> connectorized and shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks
>> guys!  We'll have 80% of the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest
>> this afternoon.
>>
>> Whew, fun morning.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into
>> an AP.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an
>> SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from
>> overvoltage).
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> He might could do an advance replacement...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Christopher Tyler
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> We all just shed a collective tear...
>>
>> At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
>> Spring his here!
>> Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
>> Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.
>>
>> From: Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If
>> you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC
>> converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from
>> Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <
>> <

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does indeed
say 22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and
> running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be
> 30VDC max.
>
> On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
> You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to
> grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time
> one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing
> but we chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman < <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.
>
> Next time lab it :)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill
>> Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also
>> connectorized and shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks
>> guys!  We'll have 80% of the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest
>> this afternoon.
>>
>> Whew, fun morning.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into
>> an AP.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an
>> SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from
>> overvoltage).
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> He might could do an advance replacement...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Christopher Tyler
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> We all just shed a collective tear...
>>
>> At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
>> Spring his here!
>> Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
>> Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.
>>
>> From: Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If
>> you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC
>> converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from
>> Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <
>> <sc...@velociter.net>sc...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   Thanks,
>>
>>   `S
>>
>>
>>
>>   ---
>>
>>   Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>>
>>
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[George Skorup]

So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered 
and running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed 
to be 30VDC max.


On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we 
happened to grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were 
installing now. One time one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and it 
died- he mentioned it in passing but we chalked it up to bad FSK taken 
from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��


Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:



That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net 
<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:


As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and
Bill Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall
is also connectorized and shipping me some for spares.  Love this
list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of the customers restored
within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an
SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip
from an SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the
regulator that dies from overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
    Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed
them.  If you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have
internal DC/DC converters unless I completely missed a new
product announcement from Forrest (but, I don't see this product
on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>>
wrote:



  Thanks,

  `S



  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in
DC-DC converter that you speak of!



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows
24-56VDC input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
&

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Luthman]

Whps.  I suggest having 6 to make sure you're wattage and fuses are
sufficient.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 10, 2016 12:45 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net> wrote:

> You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to
> grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time
> one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing
> but we chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. 螺
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.
>
> Next time lab it :)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill
>> Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also
>> connectorized and shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks
>> guys!  We'll have 80% of the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest
>> this afternoon.
>>
>> Whew, fun morning.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into
>> an AP.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an
>> SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from
>> overvoltage).
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> He might could do an advance replacement...
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Christopher Tyler
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> We all just shed a collective tear...
>>
>> At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
>> Spring his here!
>> Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
>> Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.
>>
>> From: Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If
>> you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC
>> converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from
>> Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <
>> sc...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   Thanks,
>>
>>   `S
>>
>>
>>
>>   ---
>>
>>   Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>>
>>
>>   On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
>> converter that you speak of!
&g

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to grab 
450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time one of 
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing but we 
chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ?

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:
As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that's fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>>
wrote:



  Thanks,

  `S



  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input 
and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  Dumb question:
  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

  -Original Message-----
  From: Scott Vander Dussen
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  We just changed out a 24vd

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Paul McCall]

Nice recovery !

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:



  Thanks,

  `S



  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input 
and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  Dumb question:
  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Vander Dussen
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
  This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK 
APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK 
wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

  Thanks,
  `S

  ---
  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Luthman]

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" <sc...@velociter.net> wrote:

> As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill
> Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also
> connectorized and shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks
> guys!  We'll have 80% of the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest
> this afternoon.
>
> Whew, fun morning.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an
> AP.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an
> SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from
> overvoltage).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> He might could do an advance replacement...
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> We all just shed a collective tear...
>
> At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
> Spring his here!
> Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
> Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.
>
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>
>
> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If
> you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC
> converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from
> Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   `S
>
>
>
>   ---
>
>   Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
>   On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
> converter that you speak of!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <
> sc...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>   Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC
> input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>       Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>   Dumb question:
>   You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with
> the smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Scott Vander Dussen
>   Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>   We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
> rectifier.
>   This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and
> FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6
> FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>
>   Thanks,
>   `S
>
>   ---
>   Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:



  Thanks,

  `S



  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input 
and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  Dumb question:
  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Vander Dussen
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
  This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK 
APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK 
wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

  Thanks,
  `S

  ---
  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an 
AP.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from
overvoltage).

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:



 Thanks,

 `S



 ---

 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


 On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
converter that you speak of!



   On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net> wrote:

 Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC
input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 Dumb question:
 You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
     To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
rectifier.
 This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and
FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6
FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

 Thanks,
 `S

 ---
 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

ROFL, but Jamie’s photos are always blurry.. :/

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:


Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC converter 
that you speak of!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input and 
regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the smoke 
exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in 
each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont 
establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

At least it wasn't a cluster of 450 :/

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> He might could do an advance replacement...
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.
>
> -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> We all just shed a collective tear...
>
> At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
> Spring his here!
> Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
> Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.
>
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>
>
> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you
> feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters
> unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I
> don't see this product on the website).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  `S
>
>
>
>  ---
>
>  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
>  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
> converter that you speak of!
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
> <sc...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC
> input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>  Dumb question:
>  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
> smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Scott Vander Dussen
>  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
> rectifier.
>  This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and
> FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6
> FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>
>  Thanks,
>  `S
>
>  ---
>  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:



 Thanks,

 `S



 ---

 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


 On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
converter that you speak of!



   On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net> wrote:

 Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC
input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 Dumb question:
 You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
     To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
rectifier.
 This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and
FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6
FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

 Thanks,
 `S

 ---
 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I
don't see this product on the website).



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:



 Thanks,

 `S



 ---

 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


 On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
converter that you speak of!



   On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net> wrote:

 Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC
input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 Dumb question:
 You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
     To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
rectifier.
 This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and
FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6
FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

 Thanks,
 `S

 ---
 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?



Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).




On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:




 Thanks,

 `S



 ---

 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


 On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!




   On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net> wrote:


 Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC 
input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 Dumb question:
 You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
     To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc 
rectifier.
 This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and 
FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 
FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? 
Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA


 Thanks,
 `S

 ---
 Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Bill Prince]

+1.

Putting 48V (or 56V) into a sync injector, and using it to power a 29V 
FSK radio will let the smoke out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/10/2016 7:55 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  
If you feed them 48V, they output 48V. They do not have internal DC/DC 
converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from 
Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:


image1.JPG

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in
DC-DC converter that you speak of!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:

Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows
24-56VDC input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the
radios.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC
with the smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a
48vdc rectifier.
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of
450 and FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we
powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont establish eth link with
the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower climber en
route but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Christopher Tyler]

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear... 

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.  

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:



  Thanks, 

  `S

   

  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input 
and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  Dumb question:
  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Vander Dussen
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
  This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK 
APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK 
wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

  Thanks,
  `S

  ---
  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.





 

 

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

We all just shed a collective tear... 

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.  

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:



  Thanks, 

  `S

   

  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.


  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

  Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input 
and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  Dumb question:
  You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the 
smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Vander Dussen
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
  This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK 
APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK 
wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

  Thanks,
  `S

  ---
  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.





 

 

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

Ugh, sorry, that sucks.  So, you will need to get a DC/DC converter to
down-convert 48V to 24V for the SyncInjectors that power your FSK radios.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:

> Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
>
>
> Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If
> you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC
> converters unless I completely missed a new product announcement from
> Forrest (but, I don't see this product on the website).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> `S
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
> converter that you speak of!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input
> and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Dumb question:
> You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
> smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
> This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK
> APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK
> wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

It is.  See the red 'MATCH CONNECTED RADIOS' warning right below it?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:58 AM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> I believe that is a passive voltage configuration.
> I have not seen where it will down convert to 24v
> I know that the CTM2m from Lastmile will do this given you chose the
> correct radio type for that port.
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 09:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
> [image: image1.JPG]
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
> converter that you speak of!
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input
>> and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Dumb question:
>> You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
>> smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
>> This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK
>> APs in each of those Syncinjectors.� When we powered back up 6 of the 6
>> FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.�
>> Ideas? Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>> ---
>> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[David]

I believe that is a passive voltage configuration.
I have not seen where it will down convert to 24v
I know that the CTM2m from Lastmile will do this given you chose the 
correct radio type for that port.



On 03/10/2016 09:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

image1.JPG

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC 
converter that you speak of!


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net <mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:


Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows
24-56VDC input and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC
with the smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc
rectifier.
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450
and FSK APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back
up 6 of the 6 FSK wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all
the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:


Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC converter 
that you speak of!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input and 
regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the smoke 
exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in 
each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont 
establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I
don't see this product on the website).

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:

> [image: image1.JPG]
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>
> On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
> converter that you speak of!
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input
>> and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> Dumb question:
>> You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
>> smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Scott Vander Dussen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>>
>> We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
>> This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK
>> APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK
>> wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
>> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>> ---
>> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

Yes.  The exact voltage you want is specified by the battery manufacture and is 
dependent on temperature.  But 54 volts is the nominal float voltage for the 
average 48 volt battery.  

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Yeah, these SyncInjectors can take up to 56VDC, and it’s an Eltek with a 
floating ground so we’re able to put out 48vdc.  Just to verify that I’m doing 
+48 if I put my multimeter on, red to red, and back to black I’m reading 
+53.98VDC which is as expected for +48, right?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

 

I'm assuming you are using a DC-DC converter to convert your -48VDC down to 24V 
for the SyncInjectors handling the FSK?

 

Also, your rectifier is probably -48VDC, not 48VDC. 

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:

  We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier. 
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in 
each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont 
establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

  Thanks,
  `S

  ---
  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

 

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Yeah, these SyncInjectors can take up to 56VDC, and it’s an Eltek with a 
floating ground so we’re able to put out 48vdc.  Just to verify that I’m doing 
+48 if I put my multimeter on, red to red, and back to black I’m reading 
+53.98VDC which is as expected for +48, right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

I'm assuming you are using a DC-DC converter to convert your -48VDC down to 24V 
for the SyncInjectors handling the FSK?

Also, your rectifier is probably -48VDC, not 48VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
<sc...@velociter.net<mailto:sc...@velociter.net>> wrote:
We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier. This 
powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in each 
of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont establish 
eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower climber en route 
but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

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Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

I haven't heard of this magical SyncInjector with a built in DC-DC
converter that you speak of!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
wrote:

> Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input
> and regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> Dumb question:
> You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the
> smoke exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?
>
> We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
> This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK
> APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK
> wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
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>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Yes, but we're using SyncInjector version IO which allows 24-56VDC input and 
regulates that back down to 24VDC for the radios.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the smoke 
exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier. 
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in 
each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont 
establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

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Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Josh Baird]

I'm assuming you are using a DC-DC converter to convert your -48VDC down to
24V for the SyncInjectors handling the FSK?

Also, your rectifier is probably -48VDC, not 48VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier.
> This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK
> APs in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK
> wont establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas?
> Tower climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
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> Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Chuck McCown]

Dumb question:
You know the FSK have an absolute max input voltage of 30 VDC with the smoke 
exit voltage around 36 VDC, right?


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Vander Dussen

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier. 
This powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs 
in each of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont 
establish eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower 
climber en route but I'm stumped. TIA


Thanks,
`S

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[AFMUG] FSK power problem?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

We just changed out a 24vdc 20A AC/DC power supply with a 48vdc rectifier. This 
powers 4 Syncinjectors and 2 Netonix. There is a mix of 450 and FSK APs in each 
of those Syncinjectors.  When we powered back up 6 of the 6 FSK wont establish 
eth link with the Netonix, all the 450 are fine.  Ideas? Tower climber en route 
but I'm stumped. TIA

Thanks,
`S

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