[AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-10 Thread David Coudron 
We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set up.  
 We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up in the 
following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch as load with a 
TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.  When testing AC power 
outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to  Bat Fail at about 21V and the whole 
thing shuts down killing power to the Netonix.Since the Netonix can go 
quite a bit lower on the voltage, we'd like to see the DR-UPS40 let the 
batteries go a little longer.   Is this the same behavior others see?   Can the 
DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 
be taken out of the circuit so that when it shuts off the Netonix still runs 
since it will go lower on voltage and shut off by itself anyway?

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Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-10 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Did you charge batteries? What kind of wire are you using? Not familiar
with these...let me look them up...we use Pulz and Phoenix Contact version
mostly.

On May 10, 2017 9:28 PM, "David Coudron" 
wrote:

> We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set
> up.   We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up in
> the following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch as
> load with a TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.  When
> testing AC power outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to  Bat Fail at
> about 21V and the whole thing shuts down killing power to the Netonix.
>  Since the Netonix can go quite a bit lower on the voltage, we’d like to
> see the DR-UPS40 let the batteries go a little longer.   Is this the same
> behavior others see?   Can the DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to
> go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 be taken out of the circuit so that when
> it shuts off the Netonix still runs since it will go lower on voltage and
> shut off by itself anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474 <(612)%20991-7474>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-10 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Specs show 21 to 29Vdc as voltage range..

On May 10, 2017 9:28 PM, "David Coudron" 
wrote:

> We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set
> up.   We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up in
> the following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch as
> load with a TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.  When
> testing AC power outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to  Bat Fail at
> about 21V and the whole thing shuts down killing power to the Netonix.
>  Since the Netonix can go quite a bit lower on the voltage, we’d like to
> see the DR-UPS40 let the batteries go a little longer.   Is this the same
> behavior others see?   Can the DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to
> go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 be taken out of the circuit so that when
> it shuts off the Netonix still runs since it will go lower on voltage and
> shut off by itself anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474 <(612)%20991-7474>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-10 Thread George Skorup 
Low voltage disconnect at 21v on a 24V system is pretty much standard. 
That's 1.75 volts per cell and is considered by most SLA manufacturers 
to be a non-bad/recoverable depth of discharge. And I agree, I consider 
a 12v battery at 10.5 volts to be dead.


You could always call/email Mean Well and ask if the LVD cutoff voltage 
can be adjusted.


On 5/10/2017 10:27 PM, David Coudron wrote:


We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet 
set up.   We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked 
up in the following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC 
switch as load with a TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring 
everything.  When testing AC power outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 
go to  Bat Fail at about 21V and the whole thing shuts down killing 
power to the Netonix.Since the Netonix can go quite a bit lower on 
the voltage, we�d like to see the DR-UPS40 let the batteries go a 
little longer.   Is this the same behavior others see?   Can the 
DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to go lower, or should the 
DR-UPS40 be taken out of the circuit so that when it shuts off the 
Netonix still runs since it will go lower on voltage and shut off by 
itself anyway?


Thanks,

*David Coudron*

david.coud...@advantenon.com 
 |*Mobile: *612-991-7474


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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
Calling them anyways leads to the same guy and he knows seemingly
everything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 11, 2017 12:00 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Low voltage disconnect at 21v on a 24V system is pretty much standard.
> That's 1.75 volts per cell and is considered by most SLA manufacturers to
> be a non-bad/recoverable depth of discharge. And I agree, I consider a 12v
> battery at 10.5 volts to be dead.
>
> You could always call/email Mean Well and ask if the LVD cutoff voltage
> can be adjusted.
>
> On 5/10/2017 10:27 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set
> up.�� We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up
> in the following block diagram.�� We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch
> as load with a TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.�
> When testing AC power outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to� Bat Fail
> at about 21V and the whole thing shuts down killing power to the
> Netonix.�� �Since the Netonix can go quite a bit lower on the
> voltage, we�d like to see the DR-UPS40 let the batteries go a little
> longer.�� Is this the same behavior others see?�� Can the DR-UPS40
> be adjusted to allow the voltage to go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 be
> taken out of the circuit so that when it shuts off the Netonix still runs
> since it will go lower on voltage and shut off by itself anyway?
>
> �
>
> �
>
> Thanks,
>
> �
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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread David Coudron 
We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they are not 
getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching the currently 
going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is showing zero current, but 
we are going to pull them off the system and charge separately once to see how 
they react to that.   I am guessing the MeanWells will take quite a while to 
charge those up fully.  We are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components 
in the system, except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.

Thanks,

David Coudron
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612-991-7474

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

Did you charge batteries? What kind of wire are you using? Not familiar with 
these...let me look them up...we use Pulz and Phoenix Contact version mostly.

On May 10, 2017 9:28 PM, "David Coudron" 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set up.  
 We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up in the 
following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch as load with a 
TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.  When testing AC power 
outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to  Bat Fail at about 21V and the whole 
thing shuts down killing power to the Netonix.Since the Netonix can go 
quite a bit lower on the voltage, we’d like to see the DR-UPS40 let the 
batteries go a little longer.   Is this the same behavior others see?   Can the 
DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 
be taken out of the circuit so that when it shuts off the Netonix still runs 
since it will go lower on voltage and shut off by itself anyway?

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Thanks,

David Coudron
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612-991-7474

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Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is
showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We are
using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, except
the AC feed.  That is solid copper.



What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread David Coudron 
It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



David Coudron
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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
> are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
> the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is 
> showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
> charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
> the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We 
> are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, 
> except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.


What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
27.2 would be much more appropriate for a float charge.  Exact value depends on 
the battery manufacturer specs and temperature - check there for the right 
number.   24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and reduce 
the life of the battery.

Mark
 


> On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will 
> charge the batteries a little better?
> 
> 
> 
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>  
> Advantenon, Inc.   
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  
> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
> 
> On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>> We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
>> are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
>> the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is 
>> showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
>> charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
>> the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We 
>> are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, 
>> except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.
> 
> 
> What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?
>

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/11/17 9:35 AM, David Coudron wrote:

It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



You will probably want 27.2 to 27.6 volts. Check the spec sheets for 
your battery. I use Power-Sonic batteries because they have good docs 
and lasted well over the years.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread David Coudron 
Will do.

Thanks Mark, Seth, others for the help.  Much appreciated.

David Coudron
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

27.2 would be much more appropriate for a float charge.  Exact value depends on 
the battery manufacturer specs and temperature - check there for the right 
number.   24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and reduce 
the life of the battery.

Mark



On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
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Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com<http://www.advantenon.com> 
 |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is
showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We
are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system,
except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.


What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

2017-05-11 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
For what it's worth, I don't think the DR-UPS actually has LVD built
in. It was probably a coincidence that your Netronix shut off when
the Battery Fail light came on because there was no longer enough
current for the Netonix to run.You'd have to run the batteries (pos
or neg) through a relay, with the relay operator terminals wired
through the DC OK contact of the DR-UPS40, which opens when voltage
goes below 21V (ish).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 5/11/17 10:50 AM, David Coudron
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Will do.
 
Thanks
Mark, Seth, others for the help.  Much appreciated.
 

  David
  Coudron
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  Mobile:
612-991-7474
   
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  Inc.    
    
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Vicksburg Lane N,
  Suite
315,
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MN 55447 | 
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612-454-1545 
   
  

 


  
From: Af
  [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
  Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
  

 
27.2 would be much more appropriate for a
  float charge.  Exact value depends on the battery manufacturer
  specs and temperature - check there for the right number.  
  24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and
  reduce the life of the battery.

   


  Mark
  
 

  
 
  

 

  

  On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM,
David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:

 

  
It was at 24.2V.   We just
  turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will
  charge the batteries a little better?
  
  
  
  David Coudron
  david.coud...@advantenon.com
   |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
   
  Advantenon, Inc.       
  i...@advantenon.com
   |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
  55447  | 
  www.advantenon.com
   |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
  
  On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
  
  

  We did initially give them a
good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a
rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the
TPDIN, and that is 
showing zero current, but we are going to pull
them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to
that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge
those up fully.  We 
are using 14 ga stranded wire between all
components in the system, 
except the AC feed.