Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Mike Hammett]

True, but most people don't have to deal with BLM. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 12:40:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R 

Not always. NEPA is NEPA. If a city wants to pass over BLM turf, same 
process applies. 

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:38 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R 

On 6/29/17 09:34, Layne Sisk wrote: 
> So what we are saying is the private business can do things more cost 
> effectively than government? 
> 

Government can get through permitting and planning roadblocks easier 
though, unless you can name drop like Google Fiber did. 

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

City of Hamilton

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:22 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> lewis, what city is that project in ohio in?
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I did skim it. I guess you could read it either way but you are likely
>> right. Still seems a bit high. I am only familiar with one other Muni dark
>> fiber project in Ohio and they are having a difficult time trying to recoup
>> their cost and leave enough margin for a provider to take it the last step
>> profitably. Who knows; maybe this will work.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.
>>>
>>> *From:* Roger Timmerman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>>
>>> We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home
>>> connected all-in expenses.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can do a home for about $3500
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>>>
>>>> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
>>>> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
>>>> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>>>>
>>>> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH
>>>> delivery?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Chuck McCown]

Not always.  NEPA is NEPA.  If a city wants to pass over BLM turf, same 
process applies.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

On 6/29/17 09:34, Layne Sisk wrote:
So what we are saying is the private business can do things more cost 
effectively than government?




Government can get through permitting and planning roadblocks easier
though, unless you can name drop like Google Fiber did.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/29/17 09:34, Layne Sisk wrote:
So what we are saying is the private business can do things more cost 
effectively than government?




Government can get through permitting and planning roadblocks easier 
though, unless you can name drop like Google Fiber did.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Layne Sisk]

So what we are saying is the private business can do things more cost 
effectively than government?
Wow, so shocking 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

lewis, what city is that project in ohio in?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I did skim it. I guess you could read it either way but you are likely right. 
Still seems a bit high. I am only familiar with one other Muni dark fiber 
project in Ohio and they are having a difficult time trying to recoup their 
cost and leave enough margin for a provider to take it the last step 
profitably. Who knows; maybe this will work.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.

From: Roger Timmerman
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home connected 
all-in expenses.

Roger

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can do a home for about $3500

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.

What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Kurt Fankhauser]

lewis, what city is that project in ohio in?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I did skim it. I guess you could read it either way but you are likely
> right. Still seems a bit high. I am only familiar with one other Muni dark
> fiber project in Ohio and they are having a difficult time trying to recoup
> their cost and leave enough margin for a provider to take it the last step
> profitably. Who knows; maybe this will work.
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.
>>
>> *From:* Roger Timmerman
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>
>> We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home
>> connected all-in expenses.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can do a home for about $3500
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>>
>>> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
>>> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
>>> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>>>
>>> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

I did skim it. I guess you could read it either way but you are likely
right. Still seems a bit high. I am only familiar with one other Muni dark
fiber project in Ohio and they are having a difficult time trying to recoup
their cost and leave enough margin for a provider to take it the last step
profitably. Who knows; maybe this will work.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.
>
> *From:* Roger Timmerman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>
> We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home
> connected all-in expenses.
>
> Roger
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I can do a home for about $3500
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>>
>> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
>> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
>> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>>
>> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Chuck McCown]

I am 100% Calix, one hand hole per two homes, 100% underground.  

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home connected 
all-in expenses. 

Roger

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I can do a home for about $3500

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

  Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.  

  What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Roger Timmerman]

We are hitting about $1450 per address passed, and $1000 per home connected
all-in expenses.

Roger

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I can do a home for about $3500
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R
>
> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>
> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Chuck McCown]

I can do a home for about $3500

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:24 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.  

What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[fiberrun]

I think you got the numbers wrong. The article says 40% of the buildout will 
pass 2600 serviceable addresses, not that they will spend $21M to pass those 
2600 addresses. The city has 18k residents plus 30k more in the burbs. 

Jared
 
 

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

How about a little context? Westminster muni dark 
fiber[https://insidetowers.com/westminster-future-proofs-dark-fiber-network/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=217214801e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_20_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-217214801e-91496749=0_af16c4fc22-217214801e-91496749]
Of all the gubment cheese way of doing things I hate this the least.
 

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:24 AM Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com[mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com]> wrote:
Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address passed. 
That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they get 80% of 
addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer. 
 
What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?

Re: [AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

How about a little context? Westminster muni dark fiber

Of all the gubment cheese way of doing things I hate this the least.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:24 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
> passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
> get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.
>
> What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?
>

[AFMUG] Muni F I B E R

[Lewis Bergman]

Got the title right this time. Man...slightly over $8000 per address
passed. That seems really steep. No wonder nobody wanted to do it. If they
get 80% of addresses passed that is a bit over $10k per customer.

What is you fiber guys experience overlaying FTTH over non FTTH delivery?