Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Travis Johnson]

+1

On 12/8/2017 2:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, 
right?

It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.

We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the 
music.

My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- From: Dev
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other 
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.


There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list.


By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant 
noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the 
effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore 
not to round-file the whole list traffic.


Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so 
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small 
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of 
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them talk, 
most everyone else would leave to do productive things.








Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Mike Hammett]

Was that the start of a new thread? 

and I agree. I propose we tar and feather them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 5:43:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list 

The OT stuff is fine. Whether it's marked [OT] or not, I don't really 
care. It's not hard to collapse a thread and delete it in Thunderchicken. 

My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, and 
NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. They 
will simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, change the 
subject and may or may not even bother wiping out the body. So, in 
Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original thread ID or whatever 
header. Which means something I might want to see gets buried in shit I 
don't want to see and is deleted. I see this at least every other day or 
two. Is it really that difficult to start a new message to af@afmug or 
whatever@wispa? 

On 12/8/2017 3:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
> Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, 
> right? 
> It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be. No extra work involved. 
> 
> We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years. 
> Along with several hundred less noisy people. 
> 
> Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the 
> music. 
> My record player. 
> 
> Everybody dance now... 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dev 
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list? 
> 
> Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other 
> communities, separates out the technical from the noise. 
> 
> There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
> information on this list. 
> 
> By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant 
> noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the 
> effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore 
> not to round-file the whole list traffic. 
> 
> Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so 
> relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small 
> group generating extra work for the other vast majority of 
> subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them talk, 
> most everyone else would leave to do productive things. 
> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Sure does waste time though. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[George Skorup]

Holy shit you're old. More depressed now?



...ducking

On 12/8/2017 6:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Depressing, I have kids older than that... (where did I put my Metamucil)

-Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, December 
08, 2017 5:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

Are you calling me old? I'll be 33 on Monday. Get off my lawn.

On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, 
and NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread 
properly. They will simply do a reply to a message in an existing 
thread, change the subject and may or may not even bother wiping out 
the body. So, in Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original 
thread ID or whatever header. Which means something I might want to 
see gets buried in shit I don't want to see and is deleted. I see 
this at least every other day or two. Is it really that difficult to 
start a new message to af@afmug or whatever@wispa?



People think replying is starting a new message because clients that 
thread properly with the References header are no longer the 
majority. Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail 
client is totally unknown to many.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Robert Andrews]

LOL, I usually now check before posting for exactly the same case... 
Didn't this time  LOL


On 12/08/2017 04:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I thought it was Mark Twain too until I started looking it up.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

Mark Twain?

On 12/08/2017 02:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its 
members... (Groucho Marx)

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 3:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list
I once heard that when in Rome you should do as the Romans do. I did 
accidentally put an off color response in the nanog list from this 
account by mistake today thinking it was this list. damn cretin 
behavior sullying up the professional group

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line,
right?
It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work 
involved.


We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 
years.

Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about
the music.
My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- From: Dev
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.

There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the
information on this list.

By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other
irrelevant noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem
worth the effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it
becomes a chore not to round-file the whole list traffic.

Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them
talk, most everyone else would leave to do productive things.




Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Chuck McCown]

I thought it was Mark Twain too until I started looking it up.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

Mark Twain?

On 12/08/2017 02:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its 
members... (Groucho Marx)

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 3:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list
I once heard that when in Rome you should do as the Romans do. I did 
accidentally put an off color response in the nanog list from this account 
by mistake today thinking it was this list. damn cretin behavior sullying 
up the professional group

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line,
right?
It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work 
involved.


We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about
the music.
My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- From: Dev
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.

There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the
information on this list.

By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other
irrelevant noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem
worth the effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it
becomes a chore not to round-file the whole list traffic.

Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them
talk, most everyone else would leave to do productive things.




Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Robert Andrews]

Mark Twain?

On 12/08/2017 02:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its 
members... (Groucho Marx)

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 3:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list
I once heard that when in Rome you should do as the Romans do. I did 
accidentally put an off color response in the nanog list from this 
account by mistake today thinking it was this list. damn cretin behavior 
sullying up the professional group

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line,
right?
It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.

We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about
the music.
My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- From: Dev
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.

There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the
information on this list.

By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other
irrelevant noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem
worth the effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it
becomes a chore not to round-file the whole list traffic.

Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them
talk, most everyone else would leave to do productive things.




Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Bill Prince]

I have bunions older than that.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 12/8/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Depressing, I have kids older than that... (where did I put my Metamucil)

-Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, December 
08, 2017 5:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

Are you calling me old? I'll be 33 on Monday. Get off my lawn.

On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, 
and NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread 
properly. They will simply do a reply to a message in an existing 
thread, change the subject and may or may not even bother wiping out 
the body. So, in Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original 
thread ID or whatever header. Which means something I might want to 
see gets buried in shit I don't want to see and is deleted. I see 
this at least every other day or two. Is it really that difficult to 
start a new message to af@afmug or whatever@wispa?



People think replying is starting a new message because clients that 
thread properly with the References header are no longer the 
majority. Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail 
client is totally unknown to many.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Chuck McCown]

Depressing, I have kids older than that... 
(where did I put my Metamucil)


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:06 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list 


Are you calling me old? I'll be 33 on Monday. Get off my lawn.

On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, 
and NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. 
They will simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, 
change the subject and may or may not even bother wiping out the 
body. So, in Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original thread ID 
or whatever header. Which means something I might want to see gets 
buried in shit I don't want to see and is deleted. I see this at 
least every other day or two. Is it really that difficult to start a 
new message to af@afmug or whatever@wispa?



People think replying is starting a new message because clients that 
thread properly with the References header are no longer the majority. 
Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail client is 
totally unknown to many.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Mathew Howard]

You're old for your age...

On Dec 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Are you calling me old? I'll be 33 on Monday. Get off my lawn.
>
> On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>> On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, and
>>> NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. They will
>>> simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, change the subject
>>> and may or may not even bother wiping out the body. So, in Thunderchicken
>>> at least, it keeps the original thread ID or whatever header. Which means
>>> something I might want to see gets buried in shit I don't want to see and
>>> is deleted. I see this at least every other day or two. Is it really that
>>> difficult to start a new message to af@afmug or whatever@wispa?
>>>
>>
>>
>> People think replying is starting a new message because clients that
>> thread properly with the References header are no longer the majority.
>> Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail client is totally
>> unknown to many.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[George Skorup]

Are you calling me old? I'll be 33 on Monday. Get off my lawn.

On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, 
and NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. 
They will simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, 
change the subject and may or may not even bother wiping out the 
body. So, in Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original thread ID 
or whatever header. Which means something I might want to see gets 
buried in shit I don't want to see and is deleted. I see this at 
least every other day or two. Is it really that difficult to start a 
new message to af@afmug or whatever@wispa?



People think replying is starting a new message because clients that 
thread properly with the References header are no longer the majority. 
Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail client is 
totally unknown to many.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/8/17 15:43, George Skorup wrote:


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, and 
NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. They 
will simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, change the 
subject and may or may not even bother wiping out the body. So, in 
Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original thread ID or whatever 
header. Which means something I might want to see gets buried in shit I 
don't want to see and is deleted. I see this at least every other day or 
two. Is it really that difficult to start a new message to af@afmug or 
whatever@wispa?



People think replying is starting a new message because clients that 
thread properly with the References header are no longer the majority. 
Seeing a real threaded conversation display in a mail client is totally 
unknown to many.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[George Skorup]

The OT stuff is fine. Whether it's marked [OT] or not, I don't really 
care. It's not hard to collapse a thread and delete it in Thunderchicken.


My one major complaint with the lists I'm on (here, various WISPA, and 
NANOG) is that some people refuse to start a new thread properly. They 
will simply do a reply to a message in an existing thread, change the 
subject and may or may not even bother wiping out the body. So, in 
Thunderchicken at least, it keeps the original thread ID or whatever 
header. Which means something I might want to see gets buried in shit I 
don't want to see and is deleted. I see this at least every other day or 
two. Is it really that difficult to start a new message to af@afmug or 
whatever@wispa?


On 12/8/2017 3:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Huh? You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, 
right?

It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.

We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the 
music.

My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- From: Dev
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other 
communities, separates out the technical from the noise.


There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list.


By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant 
noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the 
effort to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore 
not to round-file the whole list traffic.


Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so 
relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small 
group generating extra work for the other vast majority of 
subscribers. If you got these five people in a room and let them talk, 
most everyone else would leave to do productive things.








Sure does waste time though.

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[chuck]

I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its 
members... (Groucho Marx)

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

I once heard that when in Rome you should do as the Romans do. I did 
accidentally put an off color response in the nanog list from this account by 
mistake today thinking it was this list. damn cretin behavior sullying up the 
professional group

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Huh?  You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, right?
  It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.

  We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
  Along with several hundred less noisy people.

  Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the music.
  My record player.

  Everybody dance now...


  -Original Message- From: Dev
  Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

  Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities, 
separates out the technical from the noise.

  There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list.

  By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant noise 
in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort to manage 
to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to round-file the whole 
list traffic.

  Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so relevant 
to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group generating 
extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you got these five 
people in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would leave to do 
productive things.







  Sure does waste time though. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT alt list

[Steve Jones]

I once heard that when in Rome you should do as the Romans do. I did
accidentally put an off color response in the nanog list from this account
by mistake today thinking it was this list. damn cretin behavior sullying
up the professional group

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM,  wrote:

> Huh?  You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, right?
> It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.
>
> We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
> Along with several hundred less noisy people.
>
> Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the
> music.
> My record player.
>
> Everybody dance now...
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Dev
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?
>
> Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities,
> separates out the technical from the noise.
>
> There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the
> information on this list.
>
> By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant
> noise in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort
> to manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to
> round-file the whole list traffic.
>
> Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so
> relevant to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group
> generating extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you
> got these five people in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would
> leave to do productive things.
>
>
>>>
>>
> Sure does waste time though.
>

[AFMUG] OT alt list

[chuck]

Huh?  You do know how to filter based on the OT in the subject line, right?
It IS an automatic thing if you want it to be.  No extra work involved.

We 5 noisy people have been partying in my basement here for 15 years.
Along with several hundred less noisy people.

Feel free to help yourself to the beer, but you can't bitch about the music.
My record player.

Everybody dance now...


-Original Message- 
From: Dev

Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] alt list?

Right, that’s why they have high/low volume lists in other communities, 
separates out the technical from the noise.


There are lots of places to find noise, and few to find some of the 
information on this list.


By volume, the white noise just escalates and begets other irrelevant noise 
in some sort of asymptotic trend that doesn’t seem worth the effort to 
manage to get to what’s of interest, so it becomes a chore not to round-file 
the whole list traffic.


Seems like there’s around 5 people generating the noise source, so relevant 
to the total number of list members it’s a very, very small group generating 
extra work for the other vast majority of subscribers. If you got these five 
people in a room and let them talk, most everyone else would leave to do 
productive things.








Sure does waste time though. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Chuck McCown]

OK, yes, Macho Man Randy Savage and the lovely Linda.  

Been a long time since I was a regular viewer.  

-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT this list 


One of these does not fit.Randy SAVAGE maybe?


On 3/1/2017 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the Giant

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Jerry Head]

One of these does not fit.Randy SAVAGE maybe?


On 3/1/2017 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the Giant

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Chuck McCown]

Make that Vince McMahon.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT this list

Sometimes this list is like watching Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the 
Giant in a cage fight.  Do I get to be Vince Vaughn?  

[AFMUG] OT this list

[Chuck McCown]

Sometimes this list is like watching Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the 
Giant in a cage fight.  Do I get to be Vince Vaughn?