Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

I agree.  The politics on this list, on radio, on TV sucks.  I have switched to 
listening to classical music on the radio because NPR has nothing but the same 
thing all day since last summer.  I do not watch TV news.  You cannot seem to 
be able to get away from it.  So google news is my news source.

However this list is like San Francisco sourdough.  People try to replicate it 
but unless you have the spores in the air, you ain’t  gonna get the flavor.

From: Justin Wilson 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic. 

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.
   
  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free. 
   
  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO
   
  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.
   
  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
   
  Paul
   
   
   
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions
   
  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …
   
  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 
   
  Paul
   
   
   
On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 
I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

   

  bp

   

  On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

   

  I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

   

  What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

 

People need to take t

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Sterling Jacobson]

I sent $50.

It’s not much, but I hope it helps.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one o

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Bill Prince]

I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.


bp


On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will 
keep it running for a year.
If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra 
cash to: pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?
*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISP non-business related discussions


My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support 
Chuck and support the valued members that found the list a great 
resource. PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.


Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies 
slightly by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium 
priority support.  I could cut out the support probably because we 
haven’t needed it now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was a 
LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS.  
They are very particular to how email flows, their API etc.  We had 
this discussion early on, and I believe we made the right decision.  
After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server based delivery 
issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  We 
wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.


I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political 
season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I 
absolutely LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks 
people are investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE 
labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter that. I love hearing what 
this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the 
flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) 
over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT 
ALL. You want to continue to trash him ALL the time. We get it.  We 
truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change 
anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  
Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO


As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.
While it does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its 
title, it seems to creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The 
last 6 months, good contributing members have become distant or gone 
completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort through the 
muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s 
mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go 
away.  I chose to say something.


Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header 
like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something 
similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions


I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there 
were others too …


Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you 
already have the infrastructure (which I do)


Paul

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to
drive anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in
something to avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty
of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have
been utter garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list? I think those of us that have
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this
with the list directly, so here goes.

/Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I
get one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at
the list because of all the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t
use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of that. /

//

/While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I ha

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

2 months down 10 to go.  Thanks guys.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.



bp


On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net



  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

  What paypal account do you want filled with money?

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

   

  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

   

  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

   

  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.

   

  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

   

  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

   

  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

   

  Paul

   

   

   

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

 

bp

 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been 
utter garbage for sure.

 

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have 
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so he

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

Appreciated of course!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I sent $50.

It’s not much, but I hope it helps.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Way

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

Appreciated of course!  Thank you!

And, you are welcome.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions


I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.



bp




On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this wit

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Rory Conaway]

Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Rory Conaway]

Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworks

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

I put that on wrong one...No hidden agenda here...I promised no more for
Lent ..Man of my word..

On Mar 2, 2017 7:29 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep
> it running for a year.
>
>
>
> If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra
> cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> What paypal account do you want filled with money?
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISP non-business related discussions
>
>
>
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>
>
>
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we
> made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a
> server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
> other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.
> I love maintenance free.
>
>
>
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>
>
>
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>
>
>
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-business rel

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Robert]

How high are you mounting these panels?  That looks good for an 80 foot 
tower...


On 3/2/17 6:12 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness
of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

__ __

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will
keep it running for a year.  

 

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and
extra cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net 

 

 

 

*From:*Chuck McCown 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

 

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

 

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
non-WISP non-business related discussions

 

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support
Chuck and support the valued members that found the list a great
resource.  PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies
slightly by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium
priority support.  I could cut out the support probably because we
haven’t needed it now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was
a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with
AWS.  They are very particular to how email flows, their API etc.
We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made the right
decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance
free.  I love maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the
political season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or
others).  I absolutely LOVE hear about Travis other business
efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything like that.
That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a
multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the
absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.
We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You
have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who
does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.
While it does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its
title, it seems to creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The
last 6 months, good contributing members have become distant or gone
completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort through the
muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just
go away.  I chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject
header like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or
something similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we
never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
non-business related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know
there were others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you
already have the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

New camera/phone?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:12 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  



  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net







  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  What paypal account do you want filled with money?



  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions



  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.



  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  



  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO



  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.



  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   



  Paul







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions



  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …



  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 



  Paul







On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.



bp



On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:



I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been 
utter garbage for sure.



What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have 
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to he

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

Thank God.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:35 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I put that on wrong one...No hidden agenda here...I promised no more for Lent 
..Man of my word..

On Mar 2, 2017 7:29 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390



  On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  



  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net







  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  What paypal account do you want filled with money?



  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions



  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.



  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  



  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO



  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.



  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   



  Paul







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions



  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …



  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 



  Paul







On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I think he'd like to bury a certain

nevermind.
i'm in counseling. i promise.
LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rory Conaway 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions


  Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

   

  On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

   

  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net

   

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  What paypal account do you want filled with money?

   

  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

   

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

   

  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

   

  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

   

  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.

   

  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

   

  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

   

  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

   

  Paul

   

   

   

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

same phonesun was bright that day

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> New camera/phone?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:12 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
> This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep
>> it running for a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra
>> cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> What paypal account do you want filled with money?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISP non-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
>> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
>> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly
>> by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority
>> support.  I could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it
>> now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I
>> mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular
>> to how email flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I
>> believe we made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t
>> deal with a server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting
>> blacklisted, no other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively
>> maintenance free.  I love maintenance free.
>>
>>
>>
>> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
>> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
>> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
>> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
>> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
>> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
>> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
>> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
>> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
>> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
>> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>>
>>
>>
>> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
>> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
>> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
>> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
>> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
>> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
>> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
>> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
>> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
>> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>>
>>
>>
>